Development of new software for TCM Dx and Tx, esp in CHM

[Guest guest]

I think if a database was made, the search method would have to

display the matches sorted by source text. This way, people could

choose the sources which they personally trusted and would have less

extra mess to sort through.

 

Convincing authors to donate material for use would be much easier

if the end project cannot be altered. No one would like their work

circulating without credit or with in a way that someone could

change its contents.

 

Eric Brand

 

 

, " "

wrote:

> , Steven Slater

<dragonslive@i...> wrote:

>

> > If the majority of this material is taken from chinese texts

anyway or

> > basically a reproduction of accepted knowledge.........are there

any

> > intellectual property rights attached to such materials?

>

> the chinese have copyright laws. but I am pretty sure if

information is included in 3 or

> more independent sources, it is not plagiarized when adapted to a

4th. One can

> summarize the information in their own words such as " ST 36

supplements qi " or " huang

> qin clears heat " without asking permission or paying any royalties

to anyone. this is public

> domain data that canbe found in hundredss of texts worldwide.

when you lift exact

> quotations or verbatim symptom lists, that is still plagiarism,

though. but this is easy

> enough to avoid.

>

 

[Guest guest]

Bob,

 

When I practiced in Boulder, Colorado, I had a very similar cross-section of

herbal requirements for clients.

 

When I moved to western Montana, I was surprised to see such a sudden shift in

my formulas, that it was somewhat disorienting. Spleen Deficiency patterns are

more rare here, much more Deficiency of Yin and Blood Stagnation.

 

In retrospect, I think that the high percentage of vegetarians in Boulder

together with the contamination by Rocky Flats (for you non-Coloradans: a former

manufacturing facility for plutonium triggers for nuclear bombs) both had a

significant impact on the patterns one saw.

Uranium (and plutonium??) toxicity tends to create a lot of Yang-Deficiency

patterns; it is very cold in property just as are many lead compounds. A common

manifestation was a combination of Yang and Yin Deficiency with Deficiency-Heat.

I noted your inclusion of Er Xian Tang, and I remember several clients of this

type who responded only minimally to this, even though their symptoms seemed to

fit the indications, until I put them on a special diet plan which has been

shown to mobilize, chelate, and expel heavy metals from the body. I've since

seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian-Tang types, and when it

does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy-metal toxicity

is a major factor.

 

---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist

contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/

Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA

Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org

 

 

> " Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001

>Re: Development of new software for TCM Dx and Tx, esp in CHM

>

 

....

 

>Given that I specialize in gynecology here in the U.S. and Europe, I

>reckon that I treat 85% of all patients I see with modifications of

>5-7 formulas. To further clarify, that means 85% of the patients I see

>are females, aged 35-55 years old, suffering from chronic as opposed

>to acute gynecological conditions as well as autoimmune diseases to

>which females are especially prone.

>

>Since I'm pretty sure someone is going to ask what those 5-7 formulas are:

>

>Xiao Chai Hu Tang (and all its modifications)

>Xiao Yao San (and all its modifications)

>Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang (and all its modifications, meaning all of Li

>Dong-yuan's specifically yin fire Rxs)

>Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang (and all its modifications, meaning all Xie Xin Rxs)

>Wen Dan Tang (and all its modifications, both pluses and minuses,

>which then includes Er Chen Tang)

>Er Xian Tang (and all its modifications)

>Liu Wei Di Huang Wan (and all its modifications)

>

>Bob

 

---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist

contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/

Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA

Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org

[Guest guest]

Roger,

 

I don't doubt that your patient population in the boonies of Montana

is quite different from mine. Makes sense.

 

Unfortunately, I don;t know how to process your info about heavy metal

contamination. Seems like you've switched paradigms. Any way to make

sense of this strictly within Chinese medical pattern discrimination?

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

, rw2@r... wrote:

I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian-Tang types,

and when it

does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy-metal toxicity

is a major

factor.

 

 

Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function. Since er xian tang acts to

some

extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal toxicity could be a

significant

obstacle to cure in such cases. As long as the metals are impairing endocrine

function, no

amount of herbs will correct things.

 

[Guest guest]

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wrote:

> , rw2@r... wrote:

> I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian-

Tang types, and when it

> does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy-

metal toxicity is a major

> factor.

>

>

> Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function. Since er

xian tang acts to some

> extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal

toxicity could be a significant

> obstacle to cure in such cases. As long as the metals are

impairing endocrine function, no

> amount of herbs will correct things.

>

 

 

Whether or not the actual Boulder, CO resident actually suffers any

ill effects from the nuclear facility outside of town is highly

debatable. Boulder is one of the healthiest cities in the nation

overall, but it is terribly obsessed with things like allergies and

trace pollutants. Most of the people I knew who grew up in Boulder

are pretty healthy folks overall.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

, " "

wrote:

> , rw2@r... wrote:

> I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be

Er-Xian-Tang types, and when it

> does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that

heavy-metal toxicity is a major

> factor.

>

>

> Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function. Since er xian

tang acts to some

> extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal toxicity

could be a significant

> obstacle to cure in such cases. As long as the metals are impairing

endocrine function, no

> amount of herbs will correct things.

>

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts on repairing Endrocrine function WITH Chinese herbs? Any

good articles discuss E. System and Chinese MEdcine?

 

-Jason

[Guest guest]

I think the case was in Montana.

 

On May 19, 2004, at 3:15 AM, smilinglotus wrote:

 

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> , " "

> wrote:

> > , rw2@r... wrote:

> >  I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian-

> Tang types, and when it

> > does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy-

> metal toxicity is a major

> > factor.

> >

> >

> > Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function.  Since er

> xian tang acts to some

> > extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal

> toxicity could be a significant

> > obstacle to cure in such cases.  As long as the metals are

> impairing endocrine function, no

> > amount of herbs will correct things.

> >

>

>

> Whether or not the actual Boulder, CO resident actually suffers any

> ill effects from the nuclear facility outside of town is highly

> debatable.  Boulder is one of the healthiest cities in the nation

> overall, but it is terribly obsessed with things like allergies and

> trace pollutants.  Most of the people I knew who grew up in Boulder

> are pretty healthy folks overall.

>

> Eric

>

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services,

> including board approved continuing education classes, an annual

> conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

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[Guest guest]

Subhuti has a good one at ITM, but you need to clear the metals first

 

On May 19, 2004, at 6:35 AM, wrote:

 

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> Any thoughts on repairing Endrocrine function WITH Chinese herbs?  Any

> good articles discuss E. System and Chinese MEdcine?

>

>

 

Chinese Herbs

 

 

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