acup. causing disease

[Guest guest]

I agree with most of what you said, although I haven't had personal

experience with eczema yet. But I also agree with Sunny that skin

conditions can reflect a toxin pushing out, eg: whenever I treat

herpes, the patient GETS an outbreak, but then later the outbreaks

are reduced. But I agree that acupuncture is not 100% free of side

effects, as some would like to think. I don't think that there is

any intervention on the planet that doesn't come with risks if used

inappropriately. And so I also agree that we need to be well trained

and also be wary of " prescriptive acupuncture " . I often get really

great results with my patients, and am proud that I seem to have

a " knack " at this medicine, and yet there have been times when

patients have gotten *worse* from a treatment I've given---I try not

to beat myself up about this because I think it goes with the

territory. With every opportunity in life comes risks. I learn from

it and hope that the knowledge will help me with someone in the

future. I think its important that we be honest with ourselves and

each other so that we handle the risks in the most effective way

possible.

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>><heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> I agree with most of what you said, although I haven't had

personal

> experience with eczema yet. But I also agree with Sunny that skin

> conditions can reflect a toxin pushing out, eg: whenever I treat

> herpes, the patient GETS an outbreak, but then later the outbreaks

> are reduced. <<<<<<<<<<<<

 

 

 

Hi Laura,

Here is where our experiences differ.

If I have treated a patient few times and then if he/she has an

outbreak of herpes I go back to my diagnosis because I know that I

have left something (or a lot) out of my diagnosis.

 

My reasoning for this is that herpes is an opportunistic virus that

comes out to replicate when the immune system has been temporarily

weakened.

 

I am not convinced by the concept of >>toxin pushing out<< . What

ever is coming though the skin, is likely to be so, because the

large intestine / small intestine and or liver are not doing their

job properly,

 

salvador

www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Salvador,

 

That's very interesting to hear. So, let's say that you treated a

patient with a common herpes formula like Long Dan Xie Gan Tang, and

then they had an oubreak. Normally when I've done that they later

have fewer if any outbreaks, but they have to put up with the

outbreak, which is hard. What would you consider adding to the

formula so that they don't have to deal with the outbreak?

 

Laura

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " salvador_march "

<salvador_march@h...> wrote:

> >>>>>>>><heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> > I agree with most of what you said, although I haven't had

> personal

> > experience with eczema yet. But I also agree with Sunny that

skin

> > conditions can reflect a toxin pushing out, eg: whenever I treat

> > herpes, the patient GETS an outbreak, but then later the

outbreaks

> > are reduced. <<<<<<<<<<<<

>

>

>

> Hi Laura,

> Here is where our experiences differ.

> If I have treated a patient few times and then if he/she has an

> outbreak of herpes I go back to my diagnosis because I know that I

> have left something (or a lot) out of my diagnosis.

>

> My reasoning for this is that herpes is an opportunistic virus that

> comes out to replicate when the immune system has been temporarily

> weakened.

>

> I am not convinced by the concept of >>toxin pushing out<< . What

> ever is coming though the skin, is likely to be so, because the

> large intestine / small intestine and or liver are not doing their

> job properly,

>

> salvador

> www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag "

<heylaurag@h...> wrote:

> Salvador,

>

> That's very interesting to hear. So, let's say that you treated a

> patient with a common herpes formula like Long Dan Xie Gan Tang,

and

> then they had an oubreak. Normally when I've done that they later

> have fewer if any outbreaks, but they have to put up with the

> outbreak, which is hard. What would you consider adding to the

> formula so that they don't have to deal with the outbreak?

> > salvador

> > www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

 

 

Hi Laura,

1st of all I am sorry if I have mislead you into thinking I am a

Herbalist .I don't normally do herbs occasionally I'll precribe

Patent herbs but that is about it.

To be frank I don't have much need to recourse to them. I find that

acupuncture Deals with most of the symptoms that people come to me

for. It won't deal with physical substances that may develop in the

internal organs.But prety much all else.

 

If a patient has a severely weakend immune system in such a way that

they keep getting outbreaks of herpes. Then once they come to me

for acupuncture I see my job as streghtening their immune system

amongs other things. Of course an individual patient may continue to

get outbreaks until the system is back to relative normality.

 

What I was previously refering to Is to any patient that after a

few sessions suddenly gets herpes when they havent had any outbreaks

for say months. There may be a good reason for this but I will

generally assume that my diagnosis is faulty is some way. Unless I

can make a good case for its presence. Toxins coming out would not

be a valid theory for me.

 

salvador

www.meridian-qi-acupucnture.com

[Guest guest]

Woe unto the day when the supersensitive patient walks in and any little

stimulus to a wrong point will precipitate a scary reaction.

 

The more emotionally fertile the person, the more sensitive he or she will

be to a wrong protocol.

 

Esp. watch out for whether this is a LV excess or a deficiency, both

when quiescent look nearly the same. Or if this is a LV channel excess or

LV organ condition.

 

If you tone an excess LV, matters become interesting and you wish you had

taken up computer graphics instead.

 

A note of caution. If your are a horary person, and work by the 5-shu

on a horary basis, be sure to identify a biphasal illness, and tone the one

and

reduce the other.

 

If you are not, and have naother protocol, stay with it. The 5-shu horary

points

bring striking results, but used oddly there is the Devil to pay.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.