Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 In a message dated 4/26/2004 11:58:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, twomtns2002 writes: I cannot believe that someone would infer that meat is the way to go in this day and age with the bad meat being prevelant. Think again, there are better ways to get healthy. Mad Cow Disease cure attempt in the making by May 04'. WE should have taken England for the cow meat instaed of Iraq? Actually there was no inference in my post if that is what you are referring to. I am stating flat out that I have not seen any long term truly healthy vegetarians. You make a good point about the quality of most of the commercial meat products. The quality is bad to poor. However, quality yang is hard to get from veggies. That aspect of life suffers in most, if not all vegetarians. To add to that, the ratio of carbs is typically way to heavy on the carb end and that tends to cause all sorts of problems. Over time, most get symptoms in one form or another. From mild damp to extreme fatigue. As Attilio points out, there are some constitutions do " better " on a vegetarian diet, but that doesn't mean they are as healthy as they could be. To take it another step, I believe there are many people who are trying the vegetarian life style and are killing them selves rather quickly. IMHO vegetarianism, as practiced by most, is far more detrimental than a reasonable diet that includes meat products. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I cannot believe that someone would infer that meat is the way to go in this day and age with the bad meat being prevelant. Think again, there are better ways to get healthy. Mad Cow Disease cure attempt in the making by May 04'. WE should have taken England for the cow meat instaed of Iraq? -- --------- DATE: 26 Apr 2004 15:39:50 -000 Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine Cc: > >There is 1 message in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Veggie > " " <attiliodalberto > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:29:03 -0000 > " " <attiliodalberto >Re: Veggie > >Hi Chris & Pete & All, > >I've been a vegetarian for almost 12 years. During this time I've >had a general lack of strength which is related to the accumulation >of damp in my body caused by a deficiency of Spleen Qi, my root. I >can say that this Spleen Qi deficiency is due to the consumption of >a high dairy intake, such as cheese, which i consume far too much >off. Also living in such a Damp climate as England, most people have >Damp problems aswell, doesn't help. Actually, since being in Beijing >which is so dry, my dampness has improved a lot. > >Otherwise, my physical activity has somewhat diminished although I >wouldn't lay this at the door of being a vegetarian. In my early >twenties, I used to enjoy amateur cycling which involved 60 mile >rides a day and other rigorous exercise whilst being on a vegetarian >diet. Since then, I am more mentally active rather than physical, >which has also exhausted my Spleen. I do think that being a >vegetarian has of course affected me slightly, but nothing >detrimental and certainly nothing that will end my life on this >planet quickly as you state rather the opposite as I am more happy >in myself for having the principles that I have. > >Of course different people react differently to being a vegetarian. >It's not for everyone, neither is the consumption of meat. IMO, >apart from personal beliefs or attitudes, it all comes down to your >constitution. > >Attilio > >Musiclear@a... wrote: >> In a message dated 4/26/2004 6:34:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >petet@a... >> writes: >> Gradually, >> in spite of using vitamins, minerals and a " protein balanced " >vegetarian >> diet, I developed a laundry list of deficiencies and syndromes >that took >> some time to resolve. Human beings are omnivorous, intended by >their nature >> to eat both vegetables and meat, politics and fads notwithstanding. >> >> >> IME, (In my experience), virtually all people who have been >vegetarians >> for more than a year, begin to have imbalances that do not correct >without the >> inclusion of meat. >> >> When you take animals out of the food equation, what is left >is a diet >> that is biased way to heavy in carbs and the balance of yang goes >down >> dramatically. >> >> In many cases, people become cold and develop candida symptoms >or chronic >> fatigue. Until these people warm up with the yang from meats, >they go around >> and around trying to find out what is wrong. I have seen a number >of people >> who were diagnosed hypothyriod and on synthroid and really all >they needed was >> to go back to a meat diet. >> >> It is a challenge talking to a gentle warm hearted person with >strong >> beliefs about living the life of a pacifist and telling them one >of he main >> reasons for their symptoms is the lack of meat in their diet. It >saddens me when >> the tears well up in their eyes. >> >> I have had let people know it is my opinion that that they may >get to >> make a chioce of starting to eat animals or living on the planet, >unhealthy for a >> less time. I have had people tell me given the choice of dying >unhealthy >> with a short life or eating animals, they choose death. Some >people have strong >> belifs about this. >> >> My wife was a vegetarian when I was in school. What a mess >she was. >> Cold, tired and cranky. After seeing Dr. Wu, the herbal master at >our school, he >> said, Ohhhh,, you need meat. All kinds of meat. Meat at every >meal. Three >> times a day. >> >> She had a steak for the first time in years and she has >continued to >> become stronger and more healthy. >> >> This seems to be he norm. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 I think if one is going to eat red meat, they must get organic, free range meat to be safe and healthy. It always irritates me when I hear Chinese medicine instructors saying 'eat lots of meat' to make blood, and then seeing them bring in KFC or Burger King to various clinics and schools I've visited. One should only advise patients with diet if one is eating mindfully as well. On Apr 26, 2004, at 8:54 AM, Hoang Ho wrote: > cannot believe that someone would infer that meat is the way to go in > this day and age with the bad meat being prevelant. Think again, there > are better ways to get healthy. Mad Cow Disease cure attempt in the > making by May 04'. WE should have taken England for the cow meat > instaed of Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Laura: I try to buy cruelty-free meat. > How do they kill there? Murder is murder. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Pete: > The human hunter using a modern firearm almost always kills his targeted > animal instantly, certainly that is the intention. That is cruelty free. > Trapping and slaughter house techniques on the other hand . . . maybe not > cruelty free. > A thought occurs to me. Is the hunter is not culpable of cruelty? Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Yeah, most of my health problems started when I was a vegetarian. I too find that the more meat I eat the better I feel. I wish it wasn't true, because in my heart I am a vegetarian. I try to buy cruelty-free meat. >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Digest Number 444 >26 Apr 2004 15:39:50 -0000 > > >There is 1 message in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Veggie > " " <attiliodalberto > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:29:03 -0000 > " " <attiliodalberto >Re: Veggie > >Hi Chris & Pete & All, > >I've been a vegetarian for almost 12 years. During this time I've >had a general lack of strength which is related to the accumulation >of damp in my body caused by a deficiency of Spleen Qi, my root. I >can say that this Spleen Qi deficiency is due to the consumption of >a high dairy intake, such as cheese, which i consume far too much >off. Also living in such a Damp climate as England, most people have >Damp problems aswell, doesn't help. Actually, since being in Beijing >which is so dry, my dampness has improved a lot. > >Otherwise, my physical activity has somewhat diminished although I >wouldn't lay this at the door of being a vegetarian. In my early >twenties, I used to enjoy amateur cycling which involved 60 mile >rides a day and other rigorous exercise whilst being on a vegetarian >diet. Since then, I am more mentally active rather than physical, >which has also exhausted my Spleen. I do think that being a >vegetarian has of course affected me slightly, but nothing >detrimental and certainly nothing that will end my life on this >planet quickly as you state rather the opposite as I am more happy >in myself for having the principles that I have. > >Of course different people react differently to being a vegetarian. >It's not for everyone, neither is the consumption of meat. IMO, >apart from personal beliefs or attitudes, it all comes down to your >constitution. > >Attilio > >Musiclear@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/26/2004 6:34:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >petet@a... > > writes: > > Gradually, > > in spite of using vitamins, minerals and a " protein balanced " >vegetarian > > diet, I developed a laundry list of deficiencies and syndromes >that took > > some time to resolve. Human beings are omnivorous, intended by >their nature > > to eat both vegetables and meat, politics and fads notwithstanding. > > > > > > IME, (In my experience), virtually all people who have been >vegetarians > > for more than a year, begin to have imbalances that do not correct >without the > > inclusion of meat. > > > > When you take animals out of the food equation, what is left >is a diet > > that is biased way to heavy in carbs and the balance of yang goes >down > > dramatically. > > > > In many cases, people become cold and develop candida symptoms >or chronic > > fatigue. Until these people warm up with the yang from meats, >they go around > > and around trying to find out what is wrong. I have seen a number >of people > > who were diagnosed hypothyriod and on synthroid and really all >they needed was > > to go back to a meat diet. > > > > It is a challenge talking to a gentle warm hearted person with >strong > > beliefs about living the life of a pacifist and telling them one >of he main > > reasons for their symptoms is the lack of meat in their diet. It >saddens me when > > the tears well up in their eyes. > > > > I have had let people know it is my opinion that that they may >get to > > make a chioce of starting to eat animals or living on the planet, >unhealthy for a > > less time. I have had people tell me given the choice of dying >unhealthy > > with a short life or eating animals, they choose death. Some >people have strong > > belifs about this. > > > > My wife was a vegetarian when I was in school. What a mess >she was. > > Cold, tired and cranky. After seeing Dr. Wu, the herbal master at >our school, he > > said, Ohhhh,, you need meat. All kinds of meat. Meat at every >meal. Three > > times a day. > > > > She had a steak for the first time in years and she has >continued to > > become stronger and more healthy. > > > > This seems to be he norm. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Hi Laura! Cruelty free meat, by all means! The carnivore animals, of course, eat only the natural way. They grab their prey and start chewing on it. Somewhere in the process of being eaten by the predator the prey dies. No more terror or pain then. The human hunter using a modern firearm almost always kills his targeted animal instantly, certainly that is the intention. That is cruelty free. Trapping and slaughter house techniques on the other hand . . . maybe not cruelty free. At 06:35 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote: >Yeah, most of my health problems started when I was a vegetarian. I too >find that the more meat I eat the better I feel. I wish it wasn't true, >because in my heart I am a vegetarian. I try to buy cruelty-free meat. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 --- " Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal wrote: > Pete: > > The human hunter using a modern firearm almost > always kills his targeted > > animal instantly, certainly that is the intention. > That is cruelty free. > Holmes: > A thought occurs to me. Is the hunter is not > culpable of cruelty? There's a complex interaction between hunter and hunted, the intentions of both, and the fuzzy line between malice and need/sacrifice. I think it said in our Life FAQ to expect that things would get complex and messy. I just try to figure it as best I can and keep my eyes open. Bye! Hugo > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. > > > __________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Hi Dr. Holms and Hugo! Is the lion cruel (kills by slashing the jugular)? The snake (swallows his prey whole, and very much alive)? The heron (eats the snake whole, and alive)? At 04:07 PM 4/28/2004, you wrote: > --- " Dr. Holmes Keikobad " <acuheal >wrote: > > Pete: > > > The human hunter using a modern firearm almost > > always kills his targeted > > > animal instantly, certainly that is the intention. > > That is cruelty free. > > > Holmes: > > A thought occurs to me. Is the hunter is not > > culpable of cruelty? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 --- Pete Theisen <petet wrote: > Hi Dr. Holms and Hugo! Hey Pete... > Is the lion cruel (kills by slashing the jugular)? > The snake (swallows his > prey whole, and very much alive)? The heron (eats > the snake whole, and alive)? You people in Europe should know about this: I had an argument with a friend - he said it was wrong and I said it was just fine...a German cannibal put out want ads ( " looking for people who wish to be eaten " ), interviewed prospective " victims " , rejected a few, was rejected by a few, and finally settled on one (or several?) match(es)...and, well, ate them. I figure it's between consenting adults. Anyway, I guess my point is that cruelty is hard to define, and I am simply trying to find my balance between boosting my personal strength and what I perceive to be sustainable living within a community - and all using CM theory to boot! I don't push vegetarianism on anyone, and I, unfortunately, expect to not be pushed into meat-eating. My ethics are clear, and if anyone is interested, they are welcome to contact me off-list. And Pete, I still wonder if a coconut has ever killed a shark, or if its a particular cruelty they harbor against humans. Thanks again, Hugo __________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Hi Hugo! It would be a rare situation for a coconut to kill a shark, but not impossible. At 09:41 PM 4/29/2004, you wrote: > --- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:<snip> > And Pete, I still wonder if a coconut has ever killed >a shark, or if its a particular cruelty they harbor >against humans. > Thanks again, > Hugo Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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