Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 I learned that ST 36 and LI 10 are the " inner gates " to be used when a patient is really deficient and the " four gates " LI 4 and LV 3 would be too moving for him or her. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 gates. no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear opinions of the list. Thank you!!! Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional - about 2300 hours into the program) Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 As I understand it, the " four gates " are Liver 3 and LI 4. The " four doors " are Stomach 25, Ren 6, and Ren 12 (all on the abdomen). I'm not familiar with the " eight gates " but I'm guessing that the answer is LI 10, not 11. LI 10 is sometimes called the " Stomach 36 of the arm " . In fact, the currently used Chinese names for these points translate to " foot three mile " and " arm three mile " . The premise for these names comes from the idea that if you're marching for a long time, you can go three more " li " (miles in modern terms) by needling these points on either the leg or arm. -al. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nancy Tice <nancy wrote: > > > I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 > gates. > no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether > the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- > so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear > opinions of the list. > Thank you!!! > Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional Chinese > Medicine- about 2300 hours into the program) > > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 actually I got a wonderful explanation to use LI 11 if there is heat or a lot of stagnation and LI 10 when there isn't. thanks for your input. On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Al Stone wrote: > As I understand it, the " four gates " are Liver 3 and LI 4. > > The " four doors " are Stomach 25, Ren 6, and Ren 12 (all on the abdomen). > > I'm not familiar with the " eight gates " but I'm guessing that the answer is > LI 10, not 11. LI 10 is sometimes called the " Stomach 36 of the arm " . In > fact, the currently used Chinese names for these points translate to " foot > three mile " and " arm three mile " . > > The premise for these names comes from the idea that if you're marching for > a long time, you can go three more " li " (miles in modern terms) by needling > these points on either the leg or arm. > > -al. > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nancy Tice <nancy wrote: > >> >> >> I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 >> gates. >> no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether >> the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- >> so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear >> opinions of the list. >> Thank you!!! >> Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional Chinese >> Medicine- about 2300 hours into the program) >> >> Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 I was taught to use LI 4 and Liv 3 UNILATERALLY (obviously one point on each side of the body) if the patient is deficient. I like your explanation as well. thanks On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:56 AM, rtserk wrote: > I learned that ST 36 and LI 10 are the " inner gates " to be used when a > patient is really deficient and the " four gates " LI 4 and LV 3 would be too > moving for him or her. > > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Posted April 11, 2010 Liv 3 and LI 4 is a common 4 gate but you can also have ST36 and Liv 3 bilateral. " Tao is precious and not to be passed on, unless the student is sincere and compassionate towards human suffering " by: Huang Di Nei Jing Su Wen, chapter 4 Truth from the Golden Chamber ________________________________ Al Stone <al Chinese Traditional Medicine Sun, April 11, 2010 7:51:50 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] 8 gate points As I understand it, the " four gates " are Liver 3 and LI 4. The " four doors " are Stomach 25, Ren 6, and Ren 12 (all on the abdomen). I'm not familiar with the " eight gates " but I'm guessing that the answer is LI 10, not 11. LI 10 is sometimes called the " Stomach 36 of the arm " . In fact, the currently used Chinese names for these points translate to " foot three mile " and " arm three mile " . The premise for these names comes from the idea that if you're marching for a long time, you can go three more " li " (miles in modern terms) by needling these points on either the leg or arm. -al. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nancy Tice <nancy wrote: > > > I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 > gates. > no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether > the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- > so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear > opinions of the list. > Thank you!!! > Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional Chinese > Medicine- about 2300 hours into the program) > > Quote
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