Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 I learned that ST 36 and LI 10 are the " inner gates " to be used when a patient is really deficient and the " four gates " LI 4 and LV 3 would be too moving for him or her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 gates. no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear opinions of the list. Thank you!!! Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional - about 2300 hours into the program) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 As I understand it, the " four gates " are Liver 3 and LI 4. The " four doors " are Stomach 25, Ren 6, and Ren 12 (all on the abdomen). I'm not familiar with the " eight gates " but I'm guessing that the answer is LI 10, not 11. LI 10 is sometimes called the " Stomach 36 of the arm " . In fact, the currently used Chinese names for these points translate to " foot three mile " and " arm three mile " . The premise for these names comes from the idea that if you're marching for a long time, you can go three more " li " (miles in modern terms) by needling these points on either the leg or arm. -al. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nancy Tice <nancy wrote: > > > I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 > gates. > no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether > the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- > so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear > opinions of the list. > Thank you!!! > Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional Chinese > Medicine- about 2300 hours into the program) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 actually I got a wonderful explanation to use LI 11 if there is heat or a lot of stagnation and LI 10 when there isn't. thanks for your input. On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Al Stone wrote: > As I understand it, the " four gates " are Liver 3 and LI 4. > > The " four doors " are Stomach 25, Ren 6, and Ren 12 (all on the abdomen). > > I'm not familiar with the " eight gates " but I'm guessing that the answer is > LI 10, not 11. LI 10 is sometimes called the " Stomach 36 of the arm " . In > fact, the currently used Chinese names for these points translate to " foot > three mile " and " arm three mile " . > > The premise for these names comes from the idea that if you're marching for > a long time, you can go three more " li " (miles in modern terms) by needling > these points on either the leg or arm. > > -al. > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nancy Tice <nancy wrote: > >> >> >> I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 >> gates. >> no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether >> the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- >> so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear >> opinions of the list. >> Thank you!!! >> Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional Chinese >> Medicine- about 2300 hours into the program) >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 I was taught to use LI 4 and Liv 3 UNILATERALLY (obviously one point on each side of the body) if the patient is deficient. I like your explanation as well. thanks On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:56 AM, rtserk wrote: > I learned that ST 36 and LI 10 are the " inner gates " to be used when a > patient is really deficient and the " four gates " LI 4 and LV 3 would be too > moving for him or her. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Liv 3 and LI 4 is a common 4 gate but you can also have ST36 and Liv 3 bilateral. " Tao is precious and not to be passed on, unless the student is sincere and compassionate towards human suffering " by: Huang Di Nei Jing Su Wen, chapter 4 Truth from the Golden Chamber ________________________________ Al Stone <al Chinese Traditional Medicine Sun, April 11, 2010 7:51:50 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] 8 gate points As I understand it, the " four gates " are Liver 3 and LI 4. The " four doors " are Stomach 25, Ren 6, and Ren 12 (all on the abdomen). I'm not familiar with the " eight gates " but I'm guessing that the answer is LI 10, not 11. LI 10 is sometimes called the " Stomach 36 of the arm " . In fact, the currently used Chinese names for these points translate to " foot three mile " and " arm three mile " . The premise for these names comes from the idea that if you're marching for a long time, you can go three more " li " (miles in modern terms) by needling these points on either the leg or arm. -al. On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Nancy Tice <nancy wrote: > > > I was at a course this weekend and there was a discussion about the 8 > gates. > no one disagreed on the 4 gates- liv 3 but there was a discussion whether > the other 2 were st 36 (no argument) and then LI 11 vs LI 10- > so the discussion was between LI 11 vs LI 10 and I would love to hear > opinions of the list. > Thank you!!! > Nancy Tice (physician but enrolled in a school for traditional Chinese > Medicine- about 2300 hours into the program) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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