Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Hi Vinod and List Here's the piece on diabetes. I've been hearing a lot about raw food diets reversing diabetes lately from several sources...the premise being raw foods still contain enzymes vs. cooked. http://www.totality ofbeing.com/ ArchivedHealthAr ticles.htm Treating Diabetes With Enzymes: What We Know Now. By: Dr. William Wong, ND, PhD. Up to a year ago, for anyone asking if systemic enzymes could help lessen the load of troubles that beset Type 1 diabetic patients, I would have told them about lowering pancreatic inflammation, and possibly helping with lower extremity circulatory issues. I would have never suggested that the use of enzymes could decrease the need for insulin, increase energy or reverse the seemingly myriad of things diabetics suffer from. Then we started getting information from Type 1 patients that amazed even me and that have subsequently sparked new research. Here are two typical case histories. *Case History #1:* A Type 1 diabetic Native American patient from Montana in his mid 40's, very insulin dependent, with peripheral neuropathy in the lower extremities (LE's) and presenting paresthesia as well in the upper extremities (UE's) radiating distally to the hand. Peripheral Vascular Disease (PVD) in the LE's had already caused several toes to be amputated. Patient began taking therapeutic doses of fibrinolytic systemic enzymes (Vitalzym). Within weeks, circulation was opened in his feet and lower extremities. Skin there returned to a pink / flesh colour. Remaining toes now have full circulation and are no longer candidates for amputation. Lower extremity and upper extremity pain became paresthesia (tingling and pins and needles), and as a result is much more bearable. The patient's insulin needs were decreased. *Case History #2: * 86-year-old male Caucasian from Las Vegas history of Type 1 Diabetes for over 50 years. One below the knee amputation (left side) already done due to DVP, the other leg about to be amputated due to general lack of blood flow and arterial blockage. Poor circulation body wide and a gray / white pallor to the skin also body wide. Neurological pain was had at both lower extremities. Urine flow beginning to flag as patients kidneys became laden with scar tissue (Glomerulosclerosis ). Patient was highly insulin dependent. Above that the patient was functionally blind in one eye from a Lasix procedure that had generated scar tissue over the retina. After several weeks of systemic enzyme (Vitalzym) use the patient first noticed a lessening in his lower extremity neurological pain (neuropathy) . His skin colour in the remaining leg changed to rosy as circulatory pathways were opening. Outer layer of whitish dead skin shed off leaving what resembled a " body wide dandruff " , exposing new pink /flesh tone skin beneath. The existing leg became pink with blood flow, no longer ulcered,no longer had ischemic pain and was saved from amputation. Urine flow increased as fibrin was lysed (eaten away) from the kidneys. If the urine was allowed to stand in the toilet a layer of tiny bits of fibrin (component of scar tissue) in what resembled fiberglass floated to the top. The fibrosis that had blinded one eye was lysed away and the patient now has better than 20/20 vision in that eye. Most significantly, the patients own insulin production has returned (thought to be impossible under the auto immune theory of diabetic pancreatic destruction) . He is no longer insulin dependent. After medical testing the patient is no longer considered diabetic at all and is off all medication. Sound fantastic? It did to me, even as a Naturopath who expects nature to do fantastic things. Diabetes is one of those diseases you never expect patients to get better from. Even after several years of working with systemic enzymes I had heard of some Type 2 patients improving their energy and leveling off their sugar highs and lows but I had never expected any form of improvement in Type 1 patients, the medical literature was very clear. Once the immune system destroyed the insulin producing portions of the pancreas, there was no getting those tissues to function again! That medical " truth " has turned out to be merely a medical theory. Lets take a look at the present understanding of the root causes of diabetes and add our own conjectures based on what we have observed clinically. We know from the present research work being done that the root cause of diabetes is inflammation of the pancreas. How and why this inflammation sets in we yet do not know. As we also know from the physiology of trauma, inflammation breeds fibrosis or scar tissue. One follows a chronic course of the other. Fibrosis is also the culprit in the Peripheral Vascular Disease. In this condition, fibrin plugs form in the micro circulation (tiny blood vessels) forming blockages to full blood flow. Fibrin also forms the matrix for arterial plaque. Inflammation of trauma to the inner lining of an artery (intima), causes the traumatized or weakened section to shore itself up with scar tissue. On the spider web of scar tissue fat, calcium and heavy metals accrue forming what we know as arterial plaque. Once the fibrosis blockages become extensive enough, the patient presents the signs of PVD, which are cold extremities, intermittent caludication (pain on walking from lack of oxygen supply to the tissues known as ischemia), non healing ulcerations of the skin and eventual death of tissue creating gangrene leading to amputation. The high blood sugar levels had during diabetes damages the body's organs. One of the first organs to be damaged are the nerves to the legs and then the arms. Wherever the circulation is poorest the nerve damage follows and radiating nerve pain is had (neuropathy) . The damage begins with, you guessed it, inflammation and progresses with, you guessed it again, fibrosis. It is this inflammation into fibrosis that seems to be a recurring theme in diabetes. For a moment lets do some education on orally administered systemic enzymes. They have a 5 decade history of wide spread medical use in Germany, Central Europe and Japan with over 150 million patients in Europe alone having undergone enzyme therapy in the last 4 decades. There are over 200 peer-reviewed studies proving the absorption, therapeutic action and total lack of toxicity (no LD-50) of systemic enzymes. Their primary action is anti-inflammatory, (though not through a COX 1 or Cox 2 action. The enzymes instead " eat " pro inflammatory cytokines). The enzymes also have a proven lysing action on all types of fibrosis and scar tissue leaving normal or endogenous tissue entirely intact and un-bothered. This is due to the body " tagging " excesses of fibrin as exogenous proteins. (The subject of protein tagging and its discoverer won the Nobel Prize in biology in the late 90's). Entering the key words: systemic enzyme, serrapeptase, nattokinase, bromelain, pancreatin, papain, trypsin, chymo trypsin into the search engine at Pub Med will bring up some of the current research on systemic enzymes and their applications. A search in the " medical fields " section of www.mucos.cz will show abstracts of the extensive older research done with the first systemic enzyme blends of the 50's and 60's. It has to be said that there is nothing, no drug or substance, in either the allopathic medical world or in the natural health world that can remove scar tissue but highly fibrinolytic systemic enzymes. Current thinking on diabetes is that the body's immune system attacks the pancreas creating inflammation. This may be so. Further, the current thinking is that the inflammation brings about the destruction of the Islets of Langerhans and its Beta Cells, the places where insulin is made. This may not be so. If the studies that are currently being planned and executed further demonstrate what we are seeing clinically with Type 1 patients on systemic enzymes, then this point will have to be re-thought. Clinically most of the Type 1 patients have a significantly lower need for insulin while some no longer need the insulin at all. This would suggest that the Beta Cells and the Islets are not destroyed. I conjecture that they are merely clogged by the fibrosis created by the inflammation. Once the causative inflammation is reduced and once the fibrinolytic action of the enzymes has eaten away the fibrosis and reopened the channels, then what ever production the Islets can make can actually get into the system. I believe that the global (body wide) non-toxic, anti-inflammatory effects of highly fibrinolytic systemic enzymes and the scar tissue eating effects of the same enzymes are the reasons we are seeing the decrease in pancreatic inflammation, decrease in diabetic neuropathy, in it's associated Peripheral Vascular Disease, and the decrease in insulin dependence we are seeing clinically in Type 1 patients. Let's see if the research further verifies the observed findings and gives us more insight into the pathways of action. - Author of " Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses " ; - M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.; - Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. 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Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Twyla <twylahoodah wrote: > > > Here's the piece on diabetes. I've been hearing a lot about raw food diets reversing diabetes lately from several sources...the premise being raw foods still contain enzymes vs. cooked. > > http://www.totality ofbeing.com/ ArchivedHealthAr ticles.htm > > Treating Diabetes With Enzymes: What We Know Now. > By: Dr. William Wong, ND, PhD. > > This is a very important understanding that the western researchers are discovering - it has been a basic premise of traditional medicine for centuries. In Ayurveda it is proposed that almost all accquired disease has it's origins in the production of the substance which is called Ama in Sanskrit - English speaking people usually call this mucus - the Chinese term is most often translated as phlegm although it's original form is often referred to as the turbid - the turbid which descends becomes the stool and the turbid which gets absorbed into the blood rises and becomes phlegm. This is caused by bad digestion - mainly meaning stomach defeciency - although there may be other patterns present. There are so many factors involved in why digestion is poor and most people have several bad practices that interfere with digestion - the stomach is extremely sensitive to insult - so excesses of almost any kind can harm it - excess hot, cold, dry, wet, sour, bitter, sweet, excess food, excess oils, eating wrong combinations, eating at wrong times, etc. all can disturb digestion - the substances which cause the most problem if not digested properly are proteins - it is these poorly digested proteins which play a major role in mucus formation - phlegm is a combination of proteins and carbohydrates bound to each other through a process called glycation - these form very strong bonds which are difficult to break in an acid environment. Throughout history there has been an understanding of the importance of this substance in the development of disease and many methods to resolve the issues have been developed. Improving digestion is the starting point in all ancient systems by correcting bad eating habits and instituting healing eating patterns - but along with this there have been medicines and therapies for achieving this developed. In modern times many substances have been discovered that break the bonds of these substances like Enzymes (pancreatic and vegetable)- Nattokinase - Serrapaptase, carnatine, many newly discovered antioxidents, vitamin C, vitamin E, etc. Many commonly used herbs thin these substances like Ginko, Reishi, Cordyceps, Schizandra, Vinpocetene, etc. In fact a major medicinal effect of many of the most important herbs used in the world is their ability to thin mucus and blood. All antioxidents can do this in one way or another. My father who follows a Naturopathic and Yogic system always says the best way to deal with this kind of issue is to get the blood over toward a more alkaline condition which means in practical terms eating more vegetables and non acidic fruit in relation to grains. In Ayurveda there is a basic concept named Rasayana - this means path of the fluids or path of the rasa which in English is the lymph. This is often translated as recovery from disease or rejuventaion - my father calls it recovery of youth. The idea here is that when the rasa (lymph) is clean and clear we are healthy and to recover health we must resolve the toxic, sticky thick quality of the rasa and bring it back to it's pure prestine state clear and freely flowing. It is a symbol of health as well as the process of recovery of health. This is an ancient concept coming evidently from before historical records since it appears as a fully described concept from the earliest records. It is a basic premise of Ayurveda and Yoga. In TCM this is referred to as 'the clear' the rightious part of food that gets sperated by the stomach/spleen and which engenders Qi. When the clear becomes turbid it becomes toxic. There are many disease processes that are directly caused by this thick sticky quality of the blood and clear fluids of the body - when this condition is there it is everywhere - indeed it becomes the very nature of the fluids - they become thick and sticky - we can see this in our secretions - saliva, nose and eye secretions, genital secretions, etc. - all become thick and sticky - and when this is present we can know that the blood and the lymph have also become thick and sticky. I wrote a couple of days ago about the role this quality of the fluids has in the development of diabetes. Most states of stasis have this as a basic cause. In TCM and Ayurvedic terms the issue begins in the Stomach and Spleen with vacuity (defeciency)states which I will go more into later in a posting on diabetes. Vinod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Another point to be made on that article Twyla sent concerns raw food as a source of enzymes. Unfortunately most people should not follow a raw food diet since they have severe yin and yang Jing defeciencies as well as spleen/stomach defeciency and raw food makes the cold caused by these defeciencies worse. In general the Chinese feel that food should be cooked becuase although we may lose some nutritional qualaties in the food the trade off in easier digestion more than compensates for that. Since most people have some form of stomach weakness raw and cold foods ahould be avoided. Cold in temperature and in energetics. The subject of raw food is a very big one and it would be difficult to go into all of it's ramifications here but suffice to say for most ill people raw and cold foods should be avoided. We can keep our blood clean and flowing in other ways than eating raw food. Vinod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 I just wanted to emphasize this. (The entire post in fact.) And can I have your permission to forward this to a friend. Thanks, Victoria Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Vinod Kumar " <vinod3x3 wrote: > > This is a very important understanding that the western researchers > are discovering - it has been a basic premise of traditional medicine > for centuries. In Ayurveda it is proposed that almost all accquired > disease has it's origins in the production of the substance which is > called Ama in Sanskrit - English speaking people usually call this > mucus - the Chinese term is most often translated as phlegm although > it's original form is often referred to as the turbid - the turbid > which descends becomes the stool and the turbid which gets absorbed > into the blood rises and becomes phlegm. This is caused by bad > digestion - mainly meaning stomach defeciency - although there may be > other patterns present. There are so many factors involved in why > digestion is poor and most people have several bad practices that > interfere with digestion - the stomach is extremely sensitive to > insult - so excesses of almost any kind can harm it - excess hot, > cold, dry, wet, sour, bitter, sweet, excess food, excess oils, eating > wrong combinations, eating at wrong times, etc. all can disturb > digestion - the substances which cause the most problem if not > digested properly are proteins - it is these poorly digested proteins > which play a major role in mucus formation - phlegm is a combination > of proteins and carbohydrates bound to each other through a process > called glycation - these form very strong bonds which are difficult to > break in an acid environment. (snip) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon wrote: > > > And can I have your permission to forward this to a friend. > > Thanks, > Victoria > Hi Victoria - hope all is well. As I told you before for me this is a public forum and feel that what is written here can not be controlled even if one had the inclination to do so which I do not. VK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Thank you very much for the article you posted on diabetes, Twyla. I've been struggling with diabetes issues...have been on a new med called Byetta for several months...but would dearly like to find non-allopathic methods to treat my problems. Dr. Vinod...may I join the other members of the list in welcoming you back. What a pleasure to see your posts again. I would like to thank you and Victoria for the help you have given me. About a year ago, you both participated in a thread about mind/body connections. I learned so much from your comments...I can't express in words how much they have helped me. I identified with many things that were said in that thread...have been working hard to use what I learned from all of you to live in a more healthy way. I thank you with all my heart. Warmest regards, Nancy Hugo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Here are my two cents on raw foods. But first welcome to Dr. Vinod, we all missed your very knowledgeable and thoughtful postings. It is very rare that one is so knowledgeable about Ayurveda, TCM and western med. You have enriched our understanding of body, ailments and medicine. Thanks again. May you live for at least 100 years and continue to teach us basics of swasthya (health for dummies). I have suffered from damp heat for a long time. Tried everything. Started with western med and was a big looser. It complicated everything, made things worse Tried TCM, and got 50% relief. But TCM treatment took a very long time to show permanent results. Some more relief came from Ayurvedic med, in fact Ayurvedic meds became more effective after TCM medication. Probably body was able to assimilate them better. Then started practicing breathing excercises (Ramdev's Pranayam), in two months I started feeling a lot better in particular my memory and concentration showed marked improvement. 90% ok after 6 months of Pranayam practice. But still had bad breath. TCM doctor treated me for this problem for a very long time, she called it hot liver condition resulting from stagnation. Then one day there was nothing for me to eat except salad. I ate only salad for lunch, 80% of it was lettuce. Next day I felt better, bad breath appeared a lot better. Continued to eat lettuce in fairly big quantity before lunch with nothing else or only fresh lemon juice and salt with it. After two months of eating lettuce I am fully cured of my bad breath. So my recommendation is do not say complete no to raw foods. For some health conditions that may be the right food. But start with a small quantity and if body feels good, go ahead with more. But important thing is moderation and listen to your body when you try something new. In fact all TCM recommendations are not ok for everyone, example is dairy products. In India milk and home made yogurt are the main source of protein for millions. And people feel very comfortable with it. My father in law is 90 years of age and was very very healthy till recently. For the last thirty years he has been taking only milk for dinner, milk never caused any dampness to him. I know so many people in India who take only milk for dinner and have excellent health. I think eating only a small quantity of food also helps them. Food habits in countries like India and China have evolved over thousands of years and appear to take into typical local climatic conditions. Probably chinese climatic conditions made it difficult to have cows for milk or it was uneconomical. In short moderation, listen to body, do'nt say no to anything without trying. Atul Vinod Kumar <vinod3x3 wrote: Another point to be made on that article Twyla sent concerns raw food as a source of enzymes. Unfortunately most people should not follow a raw food diet since they have severe yin and yang Jing defeciencies as well as spleen/stomach defeciency and raw food makes the cold caused by these defeciencies worse. In general the Chinese feel that food should be cooked becuase although we may lose some nutritional qualaties in the food the trade off in easier digestion more than compensates for that. Since most people have some form of stomach weakness raw and cold foods ahould be avoided. Cold in temperature and in energetics. The subject of raw food is a very big one and it would be difficult to go into all of it's ramifications here but suffice to say for most ill people raw and cold foods should be avoided. We can keep our blood clean and flowing in other ways than eating raw food. Vinod Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote: > > So my recommendation is do not say complete no to raw foods. For some health conditions that may be the right food. But start with a small quantity and > if body feels good, go ahead with more. But important thing is moderation and listen to your body when you try something new. > As I mentioned in my previous posting raw food is a very big subject and the ramafications are very complicated. A general guideline is how strong is your digestion and do you have cold symptoms. If you are not aware of any digestive weakness then you probably do not have bad enough digestion to be harmed much by raw foods - people who have moderate to severe stomach weakness usually know it since it causes many symptoms for which they may have been treating themselves - digestion will be slow and the food often seems stuck in the stomach taking a long time to digest - there will be heaviness and symptoms like gas (belching, etc.)- another sign is coldness either local coldness or generalized coldness. People with weak digestion and cold symptoms can be quickly beniffited by not eating cold foods also by taking warming foods and herbs for the stomach/spleen. It is common sense that cold generates more cold - if we have defeciencies we should antidote this with warming and increasing substances not more cold. Bob Flaws has written extensively about this in all of his books on dietary therapy. I know that in modern times many people think raw foods and juices are the way to heal their disease - and this might be true for some although many of these people will have to go through great trials to adapt to these foods many people who take up raw food diet have to go through months and years of 'healing crisis' - this is not the best way to heal disease - in fact most people who attempt these techniques do not stay with the ragime and end up moving on to something else. For another large group it will be impossible to take even a glass of fresh fruit juice or a salad without engendering cold in the stomach and fluid retention in the spleen. As many here know a basic understanding of these stomach/spleen issues is essential to curing most disease. In China a large percentage of people have lactose intolerance and can not take milk products - this is a genetic issue - this is why using milk for food never developed in the general population. Milk intolerance of course occurs in India but it is not that common. I feel that those with mucus should be very cautious with milk. Milk is also a big subject because there are many things to take into consideration - like the health of the animal and the foods it was fed. In Ayurveda there are many rules for using milk and although most Hindu's see milk as a divine food it has never been seen as a simple matter. In my home place milk and legumes are the major source of protein for the strict vegetarians. Ayurveda developed an elaborate science of animal husbandry so as to raise cattle that were healthy and would produce healthy milk. This was very important for religious people since the milk taken is offered to God and should be of the highest quality. I have only seen this science practiced in one place and that is in the Ashram of the lady saint Amritanandamayima - there is an Ayurvedic physician there who is responsible for taking care of the cattle and elephants - these animals have been raised to create perfect health because they serve Amma - She only takes milk from these cattle. Animals that are raised in a natural way produce a completely different quality of milk from those raised in feed lots - good quality milk can be used by a very large range of people just as poor quality milk is responsible for many problems. Each person must decide for themselves if milk is a good food for them. I was raised on milk but after years of doubt eventually gave it up as a regular food and only take it and it's products once or twice a week and then only from grass fed beef, sheep, and goats. In my case I always thought milk made me feel heavy and I experimented and found that I was right - although sheep and goats milk does not cause this problem (these milks are more astringent than cow milk)and I do not get this unless I take some cow milk products several days in a row. Everyone will have to find out the facts of this on their own. Dietary therapy is a basic modality in many traditional systems but diet as therapy is a highly elaborated science and health can not be achieved without some basic understanding of the nature of foods and the relationship of foods to health and disease. It is a science and speculation is not very helpful - it is like trying to reinvent the wheel - unnecessary. VK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 G'day TCMers, -pls check out 'chelation therapy+diabetes' Results of about 832,000 http://www.google.com/search?num=100 & hl=en & newwindow=1 & client=opera & rls=en & hs=0W\ T & sa=X & oi=spell & resnum=0 & ct=result & cd=1 & q=chelation+therapy%2Bdiabetes & spell=1 -met a one-legged diabetic man at a Florida Chelation clinic & he said his remaining leg was showing neuropathic symptoms & a pal advised him to try IV Chelation. Boy was he impressed & angry as well that not one of the medical dieties had given him this effective yet benign option before amputation. cheers, dar ~~ " Nancy Hugo " wrote: Thank you very much for the article you posted on diabetes, Twyla. I've been struggling with diabetes issues...have been on a new med called Byetta for several months...but would dearly like to find non-allopathic methods to treat my problems. Dr. Vinod...may I join the other members of the list in welcoming you back. What a pleasure to see your posts again. I would like to thank you and Victoria for the help you have given me. About a year ago, you both participated in a thread about mind/body connections. I learned so much from your comments...I can't express in words how much they have helped me. I identified with many things that were said in that thread...have been working hard to use what I learned from all of you to live in a more healthy way. I thank you with all my heart. Warmest regards, Nancy Hugo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Hi Atul, good post, however, some points are incorrect, I'll only mention one: Everybody gets moist or damp from milk. _Everybody_. Some people can handle it, some people can't, depending on how their digestion is etc etc. There are a multitude of other factors, including the very important one that you mentioned - that eating less helps with the ability to digest milk. has never stated that " milk is bad for you " . It is clear however that excessive use as defined by many factors will lead to the engenderment of damp, and that milk is, in any case, a yin tonic, and moistens and lubricates. Thanks Atul, Hugo tulu 489 <tulu489 Chinese Traditional Medicine Saturday, 29 September, 2007 4:58:21 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: On enzymes and diabetes In fact all TCM recommendations are not ok for everyone, example is dairy products. In India milk and home made yogurt are the main source of protein for millions. And people feel very comfortable with it. My father in law is 90 years of age and was very very healthy till recently. For the last thirty years he has been taking only milk for dinner, milk never caused any dampness to him. I know so many people in India who take only milk for dinner and have excellent health. I think eating only a small quantity of food also helps them. Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 8 New Members Visit Your Group A family Group to share and learn about healthy eating. Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. . <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> _________ Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 > > > tulu 489 <tulu489 > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Saturday, 29 September, 2007 4:58:21 PM > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: On enzymes and diabetes > > In fact all TCM recommendations are not ok for everyone, example is dairy products. In India milk and home made yogurt are the main source of protein for millions. And people feel very comfortable with it. My father in law is 90 years of age and was very very healthy till recently. For the last thirty years he has been taking only milk for dinner, milk never caused any dampness to him. I know so many people in India who take only milk for dinner and have excellent health. > > I think eating only a small quantity of food also helps them. > Milk diet has been used since long past for healing disease there is a widely used protocol for cleansing the body that uses only milk (only fresh organic) for different periods of time - it is very effective. The issue that was previously being discussed is the role of milk in the development of type 2 diabetes. There are three issues one is that studies show that milk has too much sugar for some with severe Insulin reactivity - another issue is that it appears that there is evidence that a certain group of people have antibodies to milk(mostly cow milk) and this is a contributing factor to the development of phlegm which is a contributing element in the Insulin receptor site issues - the last issue is Lactose Intolerance. Milk 'allergies' are common throughout the world but it is more prevelant in certain racial groups like the Chinese who lack lactase to digest the lactose in milk. True inabilty to dihest milk is caused by two factors one is Lactose Intolerance and the other is an allergic reaction to proteins in milk (mainly cow's milk). Lactose Intolerance is a disease caused by insuffecient production of lactase in the intestines - this is the issue with the Chinese, African Americans, American Indians, etc. Lactose Intolerance is the main factor that most people face. Lactose intolerance exists as both a genetic defeciency and also as an acquired condition - many people with Celiac disease, IBS, Crohn's - develop Lactose Intolerance because the lactase producing cells in the gut have been damaged by the disease. Indian's (South Asian)and northern European peoples are actually the only groups that keep their high levels of lactase throughout their lives making milk much less of a problem for them than most others. Studies show that outside of those two groups most peoples lose some level of lactase production after childhood and therfore are likely to have milk intolerance problems in adulthood. Even in those groups there will be varying levels of lactase production and therefore more or less lactose intolerance. In the west lactase supplements are sold to help those with lactase defeciency digest lactose. Here is a list from Lynn Kuchinski of foods that harm the stomach/spleen - these foods should be avoided by anyone with diabetes and other spleen dampness and Qi defeciency disorders - Ice cream, sugar, candy, chocolate, milk, butter, cheese, yogurt, raw salads, fruit juices, juicy sweet fruits like oranges-peaches-strawberries-tomatoes, meat fat, fried foods, refined flour products, nuts, alcohol. Since stomach/spleen defeciencies are among the most common problems met in clinical practice it is important to look closely at the diet to see what may be causing or contributing to these weaknesses. It is not possible to resolve these issues with herbs as long as the individual continues to eat the disease forming foods - but for anyone willing to change their diet then diet and herbs can work together to actually give a cure and this will be a permenent cure if the offending practices are given up. VK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Yes, and I would add that there is a difference in eating fresh(unpasteurized) organic milk from cows feeding on grass and the typical milk we get from factory farming! The issue of allergies or food intolerance is merely one aspect of a much larger issue which is that we humans can display a great deal of variation to food, air, water, heat, cold, medicines, stress, etc. depending on our unique genetic or metabolic individuality! Ayurvedic medicine has made this a central concept of their therapeutic approach by dividing people into specific groups according to certain characteristic traits! Even modern western medicine is beginning to target drug development with this idea of individualized efficacy! The other issue that we should not forget is that we are more than just the gross components of our physical body; We also have a subtle mental/energetic structure and an even more refined spiritual dimension that connects us to each other and to all existence. These last two are the invisible components that must be considered and integrated in a truly holistic approach to the practice of medicine. Domingo */If you can wiggle your toes with the mere flicker of an intention, why can't you reset your biological clock?/* */If you could live in the moment you would see the flavor of eternity and when you metabolize the experience of eternity your body doesn't age./* */Ayurveda is the science of life and it has a very basic, simple kind of approach, which is that we are part of the universe and the universe is intelligent and the human body is part of the cosmic body, and the human mind is part of the cosmic mind, and the atom and the universe are exactly the same thing but with different form, and the more we are in touch with this deeper reality, from where everything comes, the more we will be able to heal ourselves and at the same time heal our planet. /--Deepak Chopra <http://www.intouchmag.com/chopra.html>* Vinod Kumar wrote: > > > > > > > > tulu 489 <tulu489 > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> > > Saturday, 29 September, 2007 4:58:21 PM > > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: On enzymes and diabetes > > > > In fact all TCM recommendations are not ok for everyone, example is > dairy products. In India milk and home made yogurt are the main > source of protein for millions. And people feel very comfortable with > it. My father in law is 90 years of age and was very very healthy till > recently. For the last thirty years he has been taking only milk for > dinner, milk never caused any dampness to him. I know so many people > in India who take only milk for dinner and have excellent health. > > > > I think eating only a small quantity of food also helps them. > > > Milk diet has been used since long past for healing disease there is a > widely used protocol for cleansing the body that uses only milk (only > fresh organic) for different periods of time - it is very effective. > The issue that was previously being discussed is the role of milk in > the development of type 2 diabetes. There are three issues one is that > studies show that milk has too much sugar for some with severe Insulin > reactivity - another issue is that it appears that there is evidence > that a certain group of people have antibodies to milk(mostly cow > milk) and this is a contributing factor to the development of phlegm > which is a contributing element in the Insulin receptor site issues - > the last issue is Lactose Intolerance. Milk 'allergies' are common > throughout the world but it is more prevelant in certain racial groups > like the Chinese who lack lactase to digest the lactose in milk. True > inabilty to dihest milk is caused by two factors one is Lactose > Intolerance and the other is an allergic reaction to proteins in milk > (mainly cow's milk). Lactose Intolerance is a disease caused by > insuffecient production of lactase in the intestines - this is the > issue with the Chinese, African Americans, American Indians, etc. > Lactose Intolerance is the main factor that most people face. > > Lactose intolerance exists as both a genetic defeciency and also as an > acquired condition - many people with Celiac disease, IBS, Crohn's - > develop Lactose Intolerance because the lactase producing cells in the > gut have been damaged by the disease. Indian's (South Asian)and > northern European peoples are actually the only groups that keep their > high levels of lactase throughout their lives making milk much less of > a problem for them than most others. Studies show that outside of > those two groups most peoples lose some level of lactase production > after childhood and therfore are likely to have milk intolerance > problems in adulthood. Even in those groups there will be varying > levels of lactase production and therefore more or less lactose > intolerance. > > In the west lactase supplements are sold to help those with lactase > defeciency digest lactose. > > Here is a list from Lynn Kuchinski of foods that harm the > stomach/spleen - these foods should be avoided by anyone with diabetes > and other spleen dampness and Qi defeciency disorders - > > Ice cream, sugar, candy, chocolate, milk, butter, cheese, yogurt, raw > salads, fruit juices, juicy sweet fruits like > oranges-peaches-strawberries-tomatoes, meat fat, fried foods, refined > flour products, nuts, alcohol. Since stomach/spleen defeciencies are > among the most common problems met in clinical practice it is > important to look closely at the diet to see what may be causing or > contributing to these weaknesses. It is not possible to resolve these > issues with herbs as long as the individual continues to eat the > disease forming foods - but for anyone willing to change their diet > then diet and herbs can work together to actually give a cure and this > will be a permenent cure if the offending practices are given up. VK > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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