Please help

[Guest guest]

Read the Dr. Lee books – IMO, these

should be required reading by every woman.

Arbonne Phyto Relief

is also one of the best progesterone creams you can get on the market today. Email me privately if you would like

more info on the Arbonne –

 

Wendy

 

 

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of kerley983

Friday, June 10, 2005 4:58

AM

To:

herbal_remedies

Herbal Remedies - please

help

 

I have been going to an Accupuncture doctor, who flt

stongly that I need the Phytoestrogens. I asked him about

Progesterone, and he said that for my age 67 I needed

Phytoestrogens.. I had very dry skin which he stressed as a symptom..

I bought the creme from him Phyto Prolief, Arbonne International. I

have also been taking Hot Flash by Source Naturals. Very soon I noticed

that my brain was more clear. This is a very scarey thing, and I

never dreamed at 67 I would take hormones. I have a book or 2 by Dr Lee

and I guess I need to look them up. With what you know what do you

think?????? We also had a language barrier which was hard for me

when I felt it is so important, on the other hand I felt better about these

products than Estadiol. thanks sharon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Juana

 

I am so very sorry to read this and know the deep ache you must feel.

 

I assume your son is in ahospital and being given drugs. This is where

things get tricky

 

My goals would be if I had to deal with this, would be:

 

1. Keep him (and me) calm and quiet

2. Do what I could to reduce inflammation and swelling

3. Support the liver to help with the pharmaceuticals and trauma, gently,

with things like dandelion weak tea and milk thistle

4. Help the damaged nerves reconnect with assorted vitamins, minerals and

amino acids.

5. things like chlorella and spirulina are said to be helpful with

radiation... it's the iodine.

 

6. use antimicrobial essential oils sparingly in his room to ward off

unintended infections.

 

May you find the source of strength you need to help both yourself and your

son.

 

mjh

 

 

In a message dated 1/2/2006 10:41:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

 

Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:19:53 EST

dadsjuana

please help

 

My son was caught in crossfire and was shot twice. One bullet went through

his left leg, but didn't hit bone. The second bullet went into his back,

through the diaphragm and liver. They did not find that bullet and believed

it to

be in his liver, but my son started having SEVERE pain in his right leg and

after many test decided on a CAT scan. The results showed the bullet in his

spinal column just a hairline from the spinal cord. What can I give him to

speed

his healing and to cleanse him of all the radiation?

 

Juana Serrano

True Essence Bath & Body

 

 

 

 

 

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

OMG, I am soo sorry , I can't recomend any oils wbut I will say some

prayers for a speedy recovery.

 

Carol

 

dadsjuana wrote:

 

>My son was caught in crossfire and was shot twice.

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[Guest guest]

My thoughts and prayers are with you in this trying time.

 

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[Guest guest]

Juana,

 

I'm so terribly sorry! I can't offer any information or help - just

prayers for your son and you.

 

Hugs,

Buffy

 

 

My son was caught in crossfire and was shot twice. One bullet went

through his left leg, but didn't hit bone. The second bullet went

[Guest guest]

Thank God your son is alive Juana. Two boys I loved very much (both

young teens and very good boys) from different families and in

different cities have lost sons to this kind of insane and random

violence in the last few years. It's a miracle that your son is alive.

 

When you ask about speeding healing I wonder what has been done and

what is his present condition? I hesitate to suggest anything specific

for healing without more specific information. I would use essential

oils (for you as well) to help with the stress and terror of such an

event. The oils I have found helpful for grief and trauma are Rose

otto, Frankincense carterii or sacra, a good quality Indian Sandalwood

(I don't suggest unless there is real need normally), Helichrysum,

Bergamot (and other citrus oils) Rose Geranium, and Clary Sage.

 

Let me know if you need any help.

 

Blessings,

 

Elizabeth

Whole Life Essentials

Organic & Wild-Crafted Essential Oils & Hydrosols

Pure Botanical Products for Health, Wellbeing, & Beauty

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[Guest guest]

Dear Juana,

 

We are all sending your son energy, and meanwhile, you can

also help to facilitate healing by

" tapping " for him.

 

I took the liberty to send the easier to learn presentation to

your email, it is in a zip file in an attachment. MUCH easier than the free

handbook on the website.

 

Love, ien

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Juana,

 

I suggest at least two flower essences for you... Self-Heal to speed

the healing, and Yarrow for the radiation.

 

FES makes both

 

- http://www.fesflowers.com/self_heal_flower_essence.htm

 

- I can't a direct link to their yarrow, but if you enter the online

store it's in the list.

 

as well as a Yarrow essence & tincture formula that may or may not be

appropriate for him: http://www.fesflowers.com/yarrow-formula.htm

 

There's also a radiation repair essence blend at

http://www.nmessences.com/super/radiation_repair.html if you want to

use an all-essence (no tincture) solutions.

 

-Josh

 

>What can I give him to speed

>his healing and to cleanse him of all the radiation?

[Guest guest]

Hey Juana,

What a night mare for your son and you. I can't imagine how scared you must

be right now. You both will be in my thoughts and energies sent to both.

Hugs,

Jennifer

[Guest guest]

I have always found laender angustafolia good for all situations.

dadsjuana wrote: My son was caught in crossfire and was shot

twice. One bullet went through

his left leg, but didn't hit bone. The second bullet went into his back,

through the diaphragm and liver. They did not find that bullet and believed

it to

be in his liver, but my son started having SEVERE pain in his right leg and

after many test decided on a CAT scan. The results showed the bullet in his

spinal column just a hairline from the spinal cord. What can I give him to

speed

his healing and to cleanse him of all the radiation?

 

Juana Serrano

True Essence Bath & Body

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Juana,

 

I'm so sorry to hear about your son, but I'm glad he's alive. I

don't have any oils for you outside of the care he's getting in the

hospital, but I volunteer at CHOC - Children's Hospital of Orange

County and nothing beats light touch massage for healing. I go in

the rooms and spend time with children whose parents aren't able to

be there and for older children who are very ill, I'll sit there and

stroke their hair, give them a light rubdown of teir arms and legs

and feet. Touch really makes a difference in their response and can

speed the healing process.

 

Also, playing music. There was an article recently where certain

types of classical music was piped through to a NICU ward (I think it

was the NICU or PICU) and they noticed a positive response in the

healing process, so science is beginning to realize that things other

than straight medicines work. See if the doctor will let you get a

small CD player and play some of his favorite music either very

lightly or through some headphones for him.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Michele Madison Robles

[Guest guest]

Dear Julia,

 

I looked. And grinned. Not because

anything was funny, but because it

took me back to the early seventies

when all us back-to-the-landers

(aka hippies) smugly expected society

to start crumbling around our ears any

day now. While we were snugly surviving

on our self-sufficient homesteads.

 

I still have a Corona hand grain grinder

somewhere. Actually, bread made with

freshly ground flour is incredibly yummy.

 

Anyway, we dared not buy any electrical

appliances for years, because what was the

point if everything was going to collapse

anyhow?

 

Being prepared for emergencies is always

a good idea. But I have enjoyed my washing

machine the last 14 years.

What will be will be. See ya in the next

incarnation.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

********************************************

" Outside of the dog a book is a man's best friend.

And inside the dog it is too hard to read. "

~Groucho Marx

http://freegreenliving.com

*********************************************

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

the link that you provided is no good. Can you upload your document to the

" files " section of associated with this list?

 

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mustafa Basar Anil <mbanilwrote:

 

>

>

> I bought new HXY-1 model Hand Point Diagnostic & Therapeutic Set. It's

> reference chart is not in English. If someone has same chart in English and

> share with me a copy of the chart and experiences with the device, it will

> be appreciated.

> Thanks in advance.

> mbanil

>

> Chinese version of the chart can be seen at:

>

>

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/MEsNSvokBqqoFCwz34jr4kACWEmG72kz70TW9ipiG1_JDas9RF3\

6I9TuYehXPkEBarAtCj8Gl_iPqmIeUudvs6yN9g/RightHandHXY-1.jpg

>

 

 

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Al, I don't know if this will help you out, but the URL he put there is

actually a link to the file in the files section. It's weird the way they do

links on to the file section; they only work on the single computer

they were generated for.

 

Click on this one

http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine

 

Then look for the file that's called RightHandHXY-1.jpg (about the 5th one down)

 

Hopefully that will help out

 

 

 

 

As a side note I looked for the company, and it appears that their webpage on

that chart once worked, but no longer works or is down temporarily.

http://www.china-handpoint.com/

 

You could also try e-mailing haoxing and if they are still

there if they could help you out.

 

Sorry I can't be of help, I don't know any Chinese =P

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Al Stone <al wrote:

>

> the link that you provided is no good. Can you upload your document to the

> " files " section of associated with this list?

>

> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mustafa Basar Anil <mbanilwrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I bought new HXY-1 model Hand Point Diagnostic & Therapeutic Set. It's

> > reference chart is not in English. If someone has same chart in English and

> > share with me a copy of the chart and experiences with the device, it will

> > be appreciated.

> > Thanks in advance.

> > mbanil

> >

> > Chinese version of the chart can be seen at:

> >

> >

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/MEsNSvokBqqoFCwz34jr4kACWEmG72kz70TW9ipiG1_JDas9RF3\

6I9TuYehXPkEBarAtCj8Gl_iPqmIeUudvs6yN9g/RightHandHXY-1.jpg

> >

>

>

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ah, thanks. Found it. I actually looked there earlier, but didn't find it.

 

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:27 PM, mrasmm <mrasmm wrote:

 

>

>

> Hey Al, I don't know if this will help you out, but the URL he put there is

> actually a link to the file in the files section. It's weird the way they do

> links on to the file section; they only work on the single

> computer they were generated for.

>

> Click on this one

> http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine

>

> Then look for the file that's called RightHandHXY-1.jpg (about the 5th one

> down)

>

> Hopefully that will help out

>

> As a side note I looked for the company, and it appears that their webpage

> on that chart once worked, but no longer works or is down temporarily.

> http://www.china-handpoint.com/

>

> You could also try e-mailing

haoxing<haoxing%40china-handpoint.com>and if they are still

there if they could help you out.

>

> Sorry I can't be of help, I don't know any Chinese =P

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>,

> Al Stone <al wrote:

> >

> > the link that you provided is no good. Can you upload your document to

> the

> > " files " section of associated with this list?

> >

> > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mustafa Basar Anil <mbanilwrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I bought new HXY-1 model Hand Point Diagnostic & Therapeutic Set. It's

> > > reference chart is not in English. If someone has same chart in English

> and

> > > share with me a copy of the chart and experiences with the device, it

> will

> > > be appreciated.

> > > Thanks in advance.

> > > mbanil

> > >

> > > Chinese version of the chart can be seen at:

> > >

> > >

>

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/MEsNSvokBqqoFCwz34jr4kACWEmG72kz70TW9ipiG1_JDas9RF3\

6I9TuYehXPkEBarAtCj8Gl_iPqmIeUudvs6yN9g/RightHandHXY-1.jpg

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > , DAOM

> > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I could probably spend a few hours on this and translate some of the

words there. These are mostly body parts and I recognize some of the

characters.

 

But this is also based on Korean Hand Acupuncture. I'm sure if you search

for those terms you can find some maps of the hand as a microsystem.

 

I might add too that these maps may be different from school to school,

don't get too fixated on any one authority in this regard. For instance, ear

acupuncture points vary somewhat between the French and Chinese schools

(theoretical schools of thought.)

 

-al.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Mary,

I'm sorry to hear that Malcolm still has the stomach pains. However, the fact that he can still teach self-defense classes shows that he has what it takes to beat this demon.

 

Have you tried castor oil packs for the stomach pains? If not, here is how to do it (if often helps for pain caused by intestinal blockages).

 

Materials needed:

1. Flannel cloth

2. Plastic sheeting (no color)

3. Electric heating pad (not essential)

4. Two or three safety pins

5. Castor oil

6. Bath towel

 

Prepare a soft flannel cloth, preferably of wool flannel. Fold the cloth so that it is two or four thicknesses. It should measure roughly ten by twelve to fourteen inches after being folded (for abdominal application). Pour some castor oil on the cloth using a plastic sheet underneath to prevent soiling other articles. The cloth should be quite wet but not dripping with oil when picked up. Apply the cloth to the area of the body that needs treatment, keeping the plastic sheet on the outside. Place a heating pad (or hot water bottle) on the plastic over the castor pack. If using a heating pad, turn it firstly to low, then to medium and then to as high as the body is comfortable with but take care not to burn the skin. Finally, wrap a folded bath towel around the trunk of the person to keep the castor oil pack in place and fasten it in place with the safety pins. Keep on for an hour to an hour and a half. Afterwards, clean the skin with a solution of baking soda and water (two teaspoons to a quart). The pack can be kept for repeated use and need not be thrown away. (From 'The oil that heals" by Dr William A. McGarey). Apply the castor pack once or twice per day. You should see a difference in the pain situation within 3 or 4 days.

 

You should also know that if Malcolm is not completely sold on the idea that the S/OPC plus the rest of the protocol will heal him but has reservations and is thinking about trying chemo, then his own mental block will slow the healing process. It is the consciousness of the person that is the real healing factor. The S/OPC and other supplements are only the TOOLS used by the body in the healing process but it is the MIND that drives it. It is like having a top of the range car with an inebriated driver behind the wheel. You need both the car and the driver to get somewhere!

 

Try the castor oil pack (AND the S/OPC, NAC, Budwig and green smoothies).

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie, We are currently caregiving a good friend of ours (87) that has been

told she has terminal bone cancer and there is 'nothing' they 'can do for her'.

Among other things, we use the three B's, Budwig, Batmanghelidj, and Benevolence

to make her life more enjoyable. They seem to be working well after nearly four

months of care. She has very little, if any pain and is gaining a little weight

and leg strength. We began by checking her urine color, a 'Batman' diagnostic

tool from page 158 of his book, " Your Body's Many Cries For Water " . " Color of

Urine: The normal color of urine should not be dark. It should ideally be almost

colorless to light yellow. If it begins to become dark yellow, or even orange in

color, you are becoming dehydrated. It means the kidneys are working very hard

to get rid of toxins in the body in very concentrated urine. That is why urine

becomes darker in color. Dark colored urine is a good sign of dehydration. " We

re-print this knowing it is a preventative measure, but think it is an important

aid to anyone dealing with a 'diseased' loved one. On page 159, Dr. 'Batman'

gives the 'protocol' for helping to correct dehydration in kidney problems. You

can get his book at http://www.watercure.com

 

We have been using Dr.Johanna Budwig's " Quark " for many years because she found

'dead' fatty acids in every cancerous cell she examined in her research work.

Her 'Quark' helped many with cancer, some over night. Quark is like our cottage

cheese and is mixed with 'living' flaxseed oil. We use her protocol daily and

have included our friend. We use " Udo's Blend " of oils in our cottage cheese

which is a balanced blend of many beneficial oils. Udo Erasmus wrote, " The Fats

that Heal and The Fats that Kill " .

 

The third B, Benevolence, is the most important. Loving kindness and caring will

help your loved ones body heal much faster. You will find much Love and Kindness

here among us, so keep posting and asking qusestions.......adtomeus in love

 

oleander soup , " infomcf " <infomcf wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I haven't posted here before but I feel tonight that I need some help and

advice and really just people to talk to.

>

> Malcolm had to go to hospital tonight as the pains in his stomach had got so

bad and his stomach has swollen up so much.

>

> Anyway, they wouldn't tell us too much tonight as it was 2am by the time they

had taken bloods, x-rays etc. What they did tell us isn't good. They are quite

sure that it is fluid that is in his stomach (although they did indicate that it

could possibly be down to something else that they may not be able to treat - I

mean what is that supposed to mean??)

>

> They said that one of his liver enzyme is really high and finished that part

of the converstation by saying it is still functioning just now though. Does

that mean it is failling????

>

> I asked if they had the results of his CT scan from last week and he said he

did but didn't feel qualified to discuss it in depth and would leave that to the

oncologist tomorrow. However, he did say that it showed that the cancer has

progressed.

>

> I just don't understand it. He has been following Tony's protocol 100% for the

last 2 to 3 months. He has been on the Sutherlandia OPC for 10 months and above

the highest doseage suggested for about 2 months and yet the cancer has

progressed.

>

> He has been having IV alpha lipoic acid twice a week for the last 3 weeks and

he has started the IV vitamin C on Monday this week(although it has probably not

had a chance to do anything yet)

>

> It just seems like nothing we try works but I don't understand how all these

other people have success with alternative treatments. The only success (if you

can call it that) has been with chemo. I totally agree that chemo is not the way

to go but it is the only thing which has had any effect on the cancer at all.

Can anyone explain why that is?

>

> Malcolm is still reasonably fit and was up jumping about teaching a

self-defence class last night. Although he has lost weight and isn't eating very

much.

>

> So does anyone think Malcolm can still overcome this and turn things around? I

so hope he can but what do we do now? I just don't know which way to go anymore.

>

> Thanks for listening

>

> Marie

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, please remember that each of us is unique, and what works for one may not work for all. Please keep in mind that you need to try all that has proven to work. Check your references carefully. The Budwig system is certainly a proven protocol for some forms of malignant cells, but may not work for others. Make sure that all the food she eats is organic and that if possible she eats small meals several times a day. It sounds like her liver is over burdened, is she taking a proven form of milk thistle? The research that you search has to come from a reputable source. Most of us are not health practioners, and that makes the research one of the important tools we have.

 

Sincerely,

Cypriano

 

oleander soup From: agalm05Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:36:03 +0000 Re: Please help

 

 

Hi Marie, We are currently caregiving a good friend of ours (87) that has been told she has terminal bone cancer and there is 'nothing' they 'can do for her'. Among other things, we use the three B's, Budwig, Batmanghelidj, and Benevolence to make her life more enjoyable. They seem to be working well after nearly four months of care. She has very little, if any pain and is gaining a little weight and leg strength. We began by checking her urine color, a 'Batman' diagnostic tool from page 158 of his book, "Your Body's Many Cries For Water". "Color of Urine: The normal color of urine should not be dark. It should ideally be almost colorless to light yellow. If it begins to become dark yellow, or even orange in color, you are becoming dehydrated. It means the kidneys are working very hard to get rid of toxins in the body in very concentrated urine. That is why urine becomes darker in color. Dark colored urine is a good sign of dehydration." We re-print this knowing it is a preventative measure, but think it is an important aid to anyone dealing with a 'diseased' loved one. On page 159, Dr. 'Batman' gives the 'protocol' for helping to correct dehydration in kidney problems. You can get his book at http://www.watercure.com We have been using Dr.Johanna Budwig's "Quark" for many years because she found 'dead' fatty acids in every cancerous cell she examined in her research work. Her 'Quark' helped many with cancer, some over night. Quark is like our cottage cheese and is mixed with 'living' flaxseed oil. We use her protocol daily and have included our friend. We use "Udo's Blend" of oils in our cottage cheese which is a balanced blend of many beneficial oils. Udo Erasmus wrote, "The Fats that Heal and The Fats that Kill". The third B, Benevolence, is the most important. Loving kindness and caring will help your loved ones body heal much faster. You will find much Love and Kindness here among us, so keep posting and asking qusestions.......adtomeus in love oleander soup , "infomcf" <infomcf wrote:>> Hi,> > I haven't posted here before but I feel tonight that I need some help and advice and really just people to talk to.> > Malcolm had to go to hospital tonight as the pains in his stomach had got so bad and his stomach has swollen up so much.> > Anyway, they wouldn't tell us too much tonight as it was 2am by the time they had taken bloods, x-rays etc. What they did tell us isn't good. They are quite sure that it is fluid that is in his stomach (although they did indicate that it could possibly be down to something else that they may not be able to treat - I mean what is that supposed to mean??)> > They said that one of his liver enzyme is really high and finished that part of the converstation by saying it is still functioning just now though. Does that mean it is failling????> > I asked if they had the results of his CT scan from last week and he said he did but didn't feel qualified to discuss it in depth and would leave that to the oncologist tomorrow. However, he did say that it showed that the cancer has progressed.> > I just don't understand it. He has been following Tony's protocol 100% for the last 2 to 3 months. He has been on the Sutherlandia OPC for 10 months and above the highest doseage suggested for about 2 months and yet the cancer has progressed.> > He has been having IV alpha lipoic acid twice a week for the last 3 weeks and he has started the IV vitamin C on Monday this week(although it has probably not had a chance to do anything yet)> > It just seems like nothing we try works but I don't understand how all these other people have success with alternative treatments. The only success (if you can call it that) has been with chemo. I totally agree that chemo is not the way to go but it is the only thing which has had any effect on the cancer at all. Can anyone explain why that is?> > Malcolm is still reasonably fit and was up jumping about teaching a self-defence class last night. Although he has lost weight and isn't eating very much.> > So does anyone think Malcolm can still overcome this and turn things around? I so hope he can but what do we do now? I just don't know which way to go anymore.> > Thanks for listening> > Marie>

[Guest guest]

Marie,Although things may look bleak, don't give up hope, not ever. Have you learned anything new today?My first question is has he been doing the liver cleanses while taking Oleander and following the Protocol?Chemo may have seemed to arrest the cancer for a time, but in the long run, that would not have been the answer. His quality of life, not to mention his immune system would have been highly compromised. Have you given any thought to adding Cesium Chloride to kill the cancer cells while the Protocol has time to work? I would hold on to the hope and faith that Malcom can get past this and that things will turn around. To do otherwise would be to give up and we must never give up, because once we do, we surely lose. Marc had very good advice. Is Malcolm taking the supplements that he mentioned?I can feel the suffering and pain in your

post and I want you to know that not only my prayers, but the prayers

of this group are with you.My Best,oleander soup , "infomcf" <infomcf wrote:>> Hi,> > I haven't posted here before but I feel tonight that I need some help and advice and really just people to talk to.> > Malcolm had to go to hospital tonight as the pains in his stomach had got so bad and his stomach has swollen up so much.> > Anyway, they wouldn't tell us too much tonight as it was 2am by the time they had taken bloods, x-rays etc. What they did tell us isn't good. They are quite sure that it is fluid that is in his stomach (although they did indicate that it could possibly be down to something else that they may not be able to treat - I mean what is that supposed to mean??)> > They said that one of his liver enzyme is really high and finished that part of the converstation by saying it is still functioning just now though. Does that mean it is failling????> > I asked if they had the results of his CT scan from last week and he said he did but didn't feel qualified to discuss it in depth and would leave that to the oncologist tomorrow. However, he did say that it showed that the cancer has progressed.> > I just don't understand it. He has been following Tony's protocol 100% for the last 2 to 3 months. He has been on the Sutherlandia OPC for 10 months and above the highest doseage suggested for about 2 months and yet the cancer has progressed.> > He has been having IV alpha lipoic acid twice a week for the last 3 weeks and he has started the IV vitamin C on Monday this week(although it has probably not had a chance to do anything yet)> > It just seems like nothing we try works but I don't understand how all these other people have success with alternative treatments. The only success (if you can call it that) has been with chemo. I totally agree that chemo is not the way to go but it is the only thing which has had any effect on the cancer at all. Can anyone explain why that is?> > Malcolm is still reasonably fit and was up jumping about teaching a self-defence class last night. Although he has lost weight and isn't eating very much.> > So does anyone think Malcolm can still overcome this and turn things around? I so hope he can but what do we do now? I just don't know which way to go anymore.> > Thanks for listening> > Marie>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

 

Thank you for your reply. Malc was doing the liver cleanses but over the last

few weeks he hasn't been very well so he hasn't done any. It said not to do them

if the patient was ill.

 

I totally agree with you about the chemo but in the last 3 years he has only

been really ill twice and both of these times was when he came off the chemo. I

so want some of the alternative treatments to work for him as it has for so many

other people but nothing seems to be working.

 

Malcolm used the cesium chloride a year ago but he had a really bad reaction to

it so I don't think that is an option.

 

He has been taking the supplements that Marc has mentioned. He has been on

Tony's complete anti-cancer protocol for the last 3 months (and I mean every bit

of the protocol - not missing even one bit out) as well as taking 12 teaspoons

of OPC (and that is higher than the maximum doseage suggested for OPC).

 

I understand what you mean about not giving up but it is so difficult when he

has been fighting this for 3 years and trying so many different things and yet

he is worse now than he has ever been.

 

Do you think he can still turn things around?

 

Thanks again for your help and prayers

 

Marie

 

oleander soup , " M " <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Marie,

>

> Although things may look bleak, don't give up hope, not ever. Have you

> learned anything new today?

>

> My first question is has he been doing the liver cleanses while taking

> Oleander and following the Protocol?

>

> Chemo may have seemed to arrest the cancer for a time, but in the long

> run, that would not have been the answer. His quality of life, not to

> mention his immune system would have been highly compromised.

>

> Have you given any thought to adding Cesium Chloride to kill the cancer

> cells while the Protocol has time to work?

>

> I would hold on to the hope and faith that Malcom can get past this and

> that things will turn around. To do otherwise would be to give up and

> we must never give up, because once we do, we surely lose.

>

> Marc had very good advice. Is Malcolm taking the supplements that he

> mentioned?

>

> I can feel the suffering and pain in your post and I want you to know

> that not only my prayers, but the prayers of this group are with you.

>

> My Best,

>

>

> oleander soup , " infomcf " <infomcf@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I haven't posted here before but I feel tonight that I need some help

> and advice and really just people to talk to.

> >

> > Malcolm had to go to hospital tonight as the pains in his stomach had

> got so bad and his stomach has swollen up so much.

> >

> > Anyway, they wouldn't tell us too much tonight as it was 2am by the

> time they had taken bloods, x-rays etc. What they did tell us isn't

> good. They are quite sure that it is fluid that is in his stomach

> (although they did indicate that it could possibly be down to something

> else that they may not be able to treat - I mean what is that supposed

> to mean??)

> >

> > They said that one of his liver enzyme is really high and finished

> that part of the converstation by saying it is still functioning just

> now though. Does that mean it is failling????

> >

> > I asked if they had the results of his CT scan from last week and he

> said he did but didn't feel qualified to discuss it in depth and would

> leave that to the oncologist tomorrow. However, he did say that it

> showed that the cancer has progressed.

> >

> > I just don't understand it. He has been following Tony's protocol 100%

> for the last 2 to 3 months. He has been on the Sutherlandia OPC for 10

> months and above the highest doseage suggested for about 2 months and

> yet the cancer has progressed.

> >

> > He has been having IV alpha lipoic acid twice a week for the last 3

> weeks and he has started the IV vitamin C on Monday this week(although

> it has probably not had a chance to do anything yet)

> >

> > It just seems like nothing we try works but I don't understand how all

> these other people have success with alternative treatments. The only

> success (if you can call it that) has been with chemo. I totally agree

> that chemo is not the way to go but it is the only thing which has had

> any effect on the cancer at all. Can anyone explain why that is?

> >

> > Malcolm is still reasonably fit and was up jumping about teaching a

> self-defence class last night. Although he has lost weight and isn't

> eating very much.

> >

> > So does anyone think Malcolm can still overcome this and turn things

> around? I so hope he can but what do we do now? I just don't know which

> way to go anymore.

> >

> > Thanks for listening

> >

> > Marie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Marie. I will always say that things can be turned around. I am the eternal optimist. As I said, to do otherwise would be to accept defeat. Yet, I understand your apprehension. Did the doctors say anything more today? Anything specific? And is he taking anything to detox his liver while not doing the cleanses, such as milk thistle?Now, when you say he is taking 12 teaspoons of OPC do you mean the liquid Sutherlandia OPC, or do you make your own "soup?"Please know that I indeed have you and Malcolm in my prayers and please know that I am also here for you personally. Let us know what the doctors say.My very best, oleander soup , "infomcf" <infomcf wrote:>> Hi ,> > Thank you for your reply. Malc was doing the liver cleanses but over the last few weeks he hasn't been very well so he hasn't done any. It said not to do them if the patient was ill.> > I totally agree with you about the chemo but in the last 3 years he has only been really ill twice and both of these times was when he came off the chemo. I so want some of the alternative treatments to work for him as it has for so many other people but nothing seems to be working.> > Malcolm used the cesium chloride a year ago but he had a really bad reaction to it so I don't think that is an option.> > He has been taking the supplements that Marc has mentioned. He has been on Tony's complete anti-cancer protocol for the last 3 months (and I mean every bit of the protocol - not missing even one bit out) as well as taking 12 teaspoons of OPC (and that is higher than the maximum doseage suggested for OPC).> > I understand what you mean about not giving up but it is so difficult when he has been fighting this for 3 years and trying so many different things and yet he is worse now than he has ever been.> > Do you think he can still turn things around?> > Thanks again for your help and prayers> > Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

 

The doctors today haven't really said anything more. The doctor we saw last

night was very " doom and gloom " . He suggested transfering Malcolm to a

specialist cancer hospital to make things easier for him as he is so ill. I mean

what is that meant to mean??? When I explained that Malc was taking a

self-defence class on Tuesday night and basically jumping about demonstrating

etc he just didn't know what to say or do!

 

I am hoping that he can get out of the hospital tomorrow as he startd IV vitamin

C on Monday and is supposed to get it every day but it obviously hasn't had a

chance to work yet. However, for the last 3 to 4 weeks he has been having IV

Alpha lipoic acid - so how come that hasn't helped his liver?????

 

He has been taking 400mg of alpha lipoic acid orally every day as well as 1500

milk thistle every day but for the last 2 to 3 weeks he has been struggling to

take tablets so he hasn't had anywhere near that amount.

 

He has been taking 12 teaspoons of the Sutherlandia OPC.

 

I am totally lost and puzzled as to why nothing is working for him.

 

I look forward to your advice.

 

Thanks

 

Marie

 

oleander soup , " M " <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Bless your heart Marie. I will always say that things can be turned

> around. I am the eternal optimist. As I said, to do otherwise would be

> to accept defeat. Yet, I understand your apprehension. Did the doctors

> say anything more today? Anything specific? And is he taking anything

> to detox his liver while not doing the cleanses, such as milk thistle?

>

> Now, when you say he is taking 12 teaspoons of OPC do you mean the

> liquid Sutherlandia OPC, or do you make your own " soup? "

>

> Please know that I indeed have you and Malcolm in my prayers and please

> know that I am also here for you personally.

>

> Let us know what the doctors say.

>

> My very best,

>

>

> oleander soup , " infomcf " <infomcf@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Thank you for your reply. Malc was doing the liver cleanses but over

> the last few weeks he hasn't been very well so he hasn't done any. It

> said not to do them if the patient was ill.

> >

> > I totally agree with you about the chemo but in the last 3 years he

> has only been really ill twice and both of these times was when he came

> off the chemo. I so want some of the alternative treatments to work for

> him as it has for so many other people but nothing seems to be working.

> >

> > Malcolm used the cesium chloride a year ago but he had a really bad

> reaction to it so I don't think that is an option.

> >

> > He has been taking the supplements that Marc has mentioned. He has

> been on Tony's complete anti-cancer protocol for the last 3 months (and

> I mean every bit of the protocol - not missing even one bit out) as well

> as taking 12 teaspoons of OPC (and that is higher than the maximum

> doseage suggested for OPC).

> >

> > I understand what you mean about not giving up but it is so difficult

> when he has been fighting this for 3 years and trying so many different

> things and yet he is worse now than he has ever been.

> >

> > Do you think he can still turn things around?

> >

> > Thanks again for your help and prayers

> >

> > Marie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie.

 

I will not add anything here as everybody that counts have give you their idvice.

I'm here to support you and hope everything will be ok in the and, just try to be strong for Malcom and for your self as he need you now more the ever to be there for him.

 

I'm thinking of both of you, and waiting for better news.

Hugs Mary

 

 

-

infomcf

oleander soup

Friday, November 27, 2009 12:37 PM

Re: Please help

Hi ,The doctors today haven't really said anything more. The doctor we saw last night was very "doom and gloom". He suggested transfering Malcolm to a specialist cancer hospital to make things easier for him as he is so ill. I mean what is that meant to mean??? When I explained that Malc was taking a self-defence class on Tuesday night and basically jumping about demonstrating etc he just didn't know what to say or do!I am hoping that he can get out of the hospital tomorrow as he startd IV vitamin C on Monday and is supposed to get it every day but it obviously hasn't had a chance to work yet. However, for the last 3 to 4 weeks he has been having IV Alpha lipoic acid - so how come that hasn't helped his liver?????He has been taking 400mg of alpha lipoic acid orally every day as well as 1500 milk thistle every day but for the last 2 to 3 weeks he has been struggling to take tablets so he hasn't had anywhere near that amount.He has been taking 12 teaspoons of the Sutherlandia OPC. I am totally lost and puzzled as to why nothing is working for him.I look forward to your advice.ThanksMarieoleander soup , " M" <luellamay129 wrote:>> Bless your heart Marie. I will always say that things can be turned> around. I am the eternal optimist. As I said, to do otherwise would be> to accept defeat. Yet, I understand your apprehension. Did the doctors> say anything more today? Anything specific? And is he taking anything> to detox his liver while not doing the cleanses, such as milk thistle?> > Now, when you say he is taking 12 teaspoons of OPC do you mean the> liquid Sutherlandia OPC, or do you make your own "soup?"> > Please know that I indeed have you and Malcolm in my prayers and please> know that I am also here for you personally.> > Let us know what the doctors say.> > My very best,> > > oleander soup , "infomcf" <infomcf@> wrote:> >> > Hi ,> >> > Thank you for your reply. Malc was doing the liver cleanses but over> the last few weeks he hasn't been very well so he hasn't done any. It> said not to do them if the patient was ill.> >> > I totally agree with you about the chemo but in the last 3 years he> has only been really ill twice and both of these times was when he came> off the chemo. I so want some of the alternative treatments to work for> him as it has for so many other people but nothing seems to be working.> >> > Malcolm used the cesium chloride a year ago but he had a really bad> reaction to it so I don't think that is an option.> >> > He has been taking the supplements that Marc has mentioned. He has> been on Tony's complete anti-cancer protocol for the last 3 months (and> I mean every bit of the protocol - not missing even one bit out) as well> as taking 12 teaspoons of OPC (and that is higher than the maximum> doseage suggested for OPC).> >> > I understand what you mean about not giving up but it is so difficult> when he has been fighting this for 3 years and trying so many different> things and yet he is worse now than he has ever been.> >> > Do you think he can still turn things around?> >> > Thanks again for your help and prayers> >> > Marie>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,Specialist cancer hospital to make things easier on him? Are they referring to hospice? If this is the case, I would never let a loved one go into a hospice situation except at home where I could keep a watchful eye over everything that goes on. And even then I would do all in my power to address the cancer. I would never stop. The fact that he was so active in the self-defense class on Tuesday night I would say is a good sign. How is his energy level in the hospital? More importantly, how is his spirit? As for the IV Alpha lipoic acid not working after three to four weeks, I can't give you an answer and frankly, I don't know the average time that it takes to work. But I would say to keep on giving it to him along with the milk thistle. Is there any way you could find liquid supplements for him? And, hopefully, the IV Vitamin C will also help.You said that he has been taking 12 teaspoons of Sutherlandia OPC for 10 months. What was his diet like during this time? Any processed foods, sugar, etc.? Was he taking Marc's recommended supplements along with Sutherlandia OPC? Unfortunately, nothing is a "magic bullet," that is why we always recommend that the protocol, together with a healthy diet also be followed while taking Oleander.Please let us know when he gets out of the hospital and don't let the doctors take hope away from you and most importantly, away from Malcolm. I hate it when they are so vague. I would ask for specific answers, but maybe not necessarily in front of Malcolm, so you can see exactly where you stand.In the meantime, please know that we are here for you and Malcolm. oleander soup , "infomcf" <infomcf wrote:>> Hi ,> > The doctors today haven't really said anything more. The doctor we saw last night was very "doom and gloom". He suggested transfering Malcolm to a specialist cancer hospital to make things easier for him as he is so ill. I mean what is that meant to mean??? When I explained that Malc was taking a self-defence class on Tuesday night and basically jumping about demonstrating etc he just didn't know what to say or do!> > I am hoping that he can get out of the hospital tomorrow as he startd IV vitamin C on Monday and is supposed to get it every day but it obviously hasn't had a chance to work yet. However, for the last 3 to 4 weeks he has been having IV Alpha lipoic acid - so how come that hasn't helped his liver?????> > He has been taking 400mg of alpha lipoic acid orally every day as well as 1500 milk thistle every day but for the last 2 to 3 weeks he has been struggling to take tablets so he hasn't had anywhere near that amount.> > He has been taking 12 teaspoons of the Sutherlandia OPC. > > I am totally lost and puzzled as to why nothing is working for him.> > I look forward to your advice.> > Thanks> > Marie