Help with amenorrhea!

January 20, 2006

I'm very intruiged with alternative medicine and do alot of

reading on holistic health because I find balance to be the most

precious element in the maintainance of health. For the past year

and a half I haven't been as balanced as I've sought out to be. I

have had amenorrhea since July 4, 2004. Since then, however, I've

had two menstrual cycles, one in April 2005 then again in August

2005. I was taking vitex and some homeopathy (sepia) to treat the

hormone imbalance. However, now I'm beginning to understand that

it's not solely a hormonal.

I recently moved and now unable to see the acupuncturist who

treated me before. He diagnosed me as being blood defiecent and

found stagnation on my liver meridain. Now a year and a half later

still no period I'd like to go back to the blood building herbs he

had me on before (PDL and XDH). I'm awaiting my test results for my

recent blood draw to rule out possible anemia. My blood pressure is

also very low, yesterday the reading was 92/66. Besides the low

blood pressure, other symptoms include, very poor circulation, low

energy/ fatigue, cold-limbs (hands and feet always very cold), lack

of concentration, lost in thoughts, confused, faint breathing,

insecure, introversion. I've concluded some physcosomatic

connections with this imbalance and have finally realized that my

overly giving nature and nurturing could be taking away from my

ability to get better, and further contributing to this imbalance. I

also seek others approval and I'm tired of feeling insecure and

awaiting validation from others.

I recently read the liver has a lot of control over the volume

of blood in the body. In addition, I've read that it could also

reflect weak protective qi and that liver blood may also be

deficient.

I'm interested in any information, insight or advise concerning

my issues with my hormonal imbalance,(I'm about to turn 25 next week

and would very much like to be reintroduced to my feminine side)and

maintaining a consistant balance with my blood. Any advice is

greatly appreciated and welcomed. Please feel free to share any

stories you may have heard similar to mine!!!

With love and gratitude,

Sophia

~~Also interested in any grounding techniques, excercises (yoga,

qigong??) that might be good for me...

January 22, 2006

I tried sepia to remove breast soreness. Then I noticed my

boobs getting larger. So I have a clue that sepia does

influence hormones. Also I am a heavy menstrual bleeder.

The sepia slowed down my blood flow. Also remidied digestive

upsets during the first 3 days.

Liz D.

-

" sophiagonty " <sophiagonty

Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:35 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Help with amenorrhea!

> I'm very intruiged with alternative medicine and do alot of

> reading on holistic health because I find balance to be the most

> precious element in the maintainance of health. For the past year

> and a half I haven't been as balanced as I've sought out to be. I

> have had amenorrhea since July 4, 2004. Since then, however, I've

> had two menstrual cycles, one in April 2005 then again in August

> 2005. I was taking vitex and some homeopathy (sepia) to treat the

> hormone imbalance. However, now I'm beginning to understand that

> it's not solely a hormonal.

January 24, 2006

Hi Sophigonty,

Your cold hands and feet as well as your faint

breathing and fatigue could be indications of kidney

deficiency, also very often implicated in both

menstrual issues and liver blood deficiency issues.

Naturally it is impossible to make an accurate

assesment from over the sea and never having seen you,

but you could try some acupressure on your Kidney 3

point, which tonifies kidney qi, yin and yang, and

which, if it doesn't do you any good, most certainly

will not harm you. I often use this point for the set

of symptoms mentioned above. You can find the point at

this website: www.yinyanghouse.com.

There is a graphic on

http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupoints/ki_meridian.html

and a description of the point on

http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupoints/ki3.html

The point is found " In the depression midway between

the tip of the medial malleolus and the attachment of

the achilles tendon. " Just so that you know, malleolus

is your ankle bone, and medial refers to inside leg.

Just massage the point gently (not enough to cause

yourself any discomfort) for about three minutes on

each side daily and see if you get any positive

result!!

Best of luck

Marisa

--- sophiagonty <sophiagonty wrote:

> I'm very intruiged with alternative medicine and

> do alot of

> reading on holistic health because I find balance to

> be the most

> precious element in the maintainance of health. For

> the past year

> and a half I haven't been as balanced as I've sought

> out to be. I

> have had amenorrhea since July 4, 2004. Since then,

> however, I've

> had two menstrual cycles, one in April 2005 then

> again in August

> 2005. I was taking vitex and some homeopathy (sepia)

> to treat the

> hormone imbalance. However, now I'm beginning to

> understand that

> it's not solely a hormonal.

> I recently moved and now unable to see the

> acupuncturist who

> treated me before. He diagnosed me as being blood

> defiecent and

> found stagnation on my liver meridain. Now a year

> and a half later

> still no period I'd like to go back to the blood

> building herbs he

> had me on before (PDL and XDH). I'm awaiting my test

> results for my

> recent blood draw to rule out possible anemia. My

> blood pressure is

> also very low, yesterday the reading was 92/66.

> Besides the low

> blood pressure, other symptoms include, very poor

> circulation, low

> energy/ fatigue, cold-limbs (hands and feet always

> very cold), lack

> of concentration, lost in thoughts, confused, faint

> breathing,

> insecure, introversion. I've concluded some

> physcosomatic

> connections with this imbalance and have finally

> realized that my

> overly giving nature and nurturing could be taking

> away from my

> ability to get better, and further contributing to

> this imbalance. I

> also seek others approval and I'm tired of feeling

> insecure and

> awaiting validation from others.

> I recently read the liver has a lot of control

> over the volume

> of blood in the body. In addition, I've read that it

> could also

> reflect weak protective qi and that liver blood may

> also be

> deficient.

> I'm interested in any information, insight or

> advise concerning

> my issues with my hormonal imbalance,(I'm about to

> turn 25 next week

> and would very much like to be reintroduced to my

> feminine side)and

> maintaining a consistant balance with my blood. Any

> advice is

> greatly appreciated and welcomed. Please feel free

> to share any

> stories you may have heard similar to mine!!!

>

> With love and gratitude,

> Sophia

> ~~Also interested in any grounding techniques,

> excercises (yoga,

> qigong??) that might be good for me...

>

January 24, 2006

Hi Marisa, Sophigonty:

Moxibustion on this point, K 3, can help as well, as

moxibustion helps boost kidney Qi.

Jack

--- marisa cronje <mooncalfpearl wrote:

> Hi Sophigonty,

>

> Your cold hands and feet as well as your faint

> breathing and fatigue could be indications of kidney

> deficiency, also very often implicated in both

> menstrual issues and liver blood deficiency issues.

>

> Naturally it is impossible to make an accurate

> assesment from over the sea and never having seen

> you,

> but you could try some acupressure on your Kidney 3

> point, which tonifies kidney qi, yin and yang, and

> which, if it doesn't do you any good, most certainly

> will not harm you. I often use this point for the

> set

> of symptoms mentioned above. You can find the point

> at

> this website: www.yinyanghouse.com.

>

> There is a graphic on

>

http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupoints/ki_meridian.html

> and a description of the point on

> http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupoints/ki3.html

>

> The point is found " In the depression midway between

> the tip of the medial malleolus and the attachment

> of

> the achilles tendon. " Just so that you know,

> malleolus

> is your ankle bone, and medial refers to inside leg.

>

> Just massage the point gently (not enough to cause

> yourself any discomfort) for about three minutes on

> each side daily and see if you get any positive

> result!!

>

> Best of luck

>

> Marisa

>

> --- sophiagonty <sophiagonty wrote:

>

> > I'm very intruiged with alternative medicine

> and

> > do alot of

> > reading on holistic health because I find balance

> to

> > be the most

> > precious element in the maintainance of health.

> For

> > the past year

> > and a half I haven't been as balanced as I've

> sought

> > out to be. I

> > have had amenorrhea since July 4, 2004. Since

> then,

> > however, I've

> > had two menstrual cycles, one in April 2005 then

> > again in August

> > 2005. I was taking vitex and some homeopathy

> (sepia)

> > to treat the

> > hormone imbalance. However, now I'm beginning to

> > understand that

> > it's not solely a hormonal.

> > I recently moved and now unable to see the

> > acupuncturist who

> > treated me before. He diagnosed me as being blood

> > defiecent and

> > found stagnation on my liver meridain. Now a year

> > and a half later

> > still no period I'd like to go back to the blood

> > building herbs he

> > had me on before (PDL and XDH). I'm awaiting my

> test

> > results for my

> > recent blood draw to rule out possible anemia. My

> > blood pressure is

> > also very low, yesterday the reading was 92/66.

> > Besides the low

> > blood pressure, other symptoms include, very poor

> > circulation, low

> > energy/ fatigue, cold-limbs (hands and feet always

> > very cold), lack

> > of concentration, lost in thoughts, confused,

> faint

> > breathing,

> > insecure, introversion. I've concluded some

> > physcosomatic

> > connections with this imbalance and have finally

> > realized that my

> > overly giving nature and nurturing could be taking

> > away from my

> > ability to get better, and further contributing to

> > this imbalance. I

> > also seek others approval and I'm tired of feeling

> > insecure and

> > awaiting validation from others.

> > I recently read the liver has a lot of control

> > over the volume

> > of blood in the body. In addition, I've read that

> it

> > could also

> > reflect weak protective qi and that liver blood

> may

> > also be

> > deficient.

> > I'm interested in any information, insight or

> > advise concerning

> > my issues with my hormonal imbalance,(I'm about to

> > turn 25 next week

> > and would very much like to be reintroduced to my

> > feminine side)and

> > maintaining a consistant balance with my blood.

> Any

> > advice is

> > greatly appreciated and welcomed. Please feel free

> > to share any

> > stories you may have heard similar to mine!!!

> >

> > With love and gratitude,

> > Sophia

> > ~~Also interested in any grounding techniques,

> > excercises (yoga,

> > qigong??) that might be good for me...

> >

>

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> protection around

>

January 24, 2006

From Yingyang house.com:

¤ Tonifies Yin of KD (chronic sore throat, empty heat), LV (dizziness,

tinnitus, headache) a/or HT (anxiety, insomnia, excessive dreaming).

Hey, I have inexplicable chronic sore throat! TCM rocks! Sorry,

neophyte's enthusiasm.

I have my first acupuncture appointment tomorrow and I kept wondering

whether to mention this because many of my symptoms correspond with

hypothyroidism which medical tests show I do not have. I know that I

try to restrain with medical doctors because they will label you a

hypochondriac in a heartbeat. I guess I will tell them everything.

Zenisis

marisa cronje wrote:

>Hi Sophigonty,

>

>Your cold hands and feet as well as your faint

>breathing and fatigue could be indications of kidney

>deficiency, also very often implicated in both

>menstrual issues and liver blood deficiency issues.

>

>Naturally it is impossible to make an accurate

>assesment from over the sea and never having seen you,

>but you could try some acupressure on your Kidney 3

>point, which tonifies kidney qi, yin and yang, and

>which, if it doesn't do you any good, most certainly

>will not harm you. I often use this point for the set

>of symptoms mentioned above. You can find the point at

>this website: www.yinyanghouse.com.

>

>There is a graphic on

>http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupoints/ki_meridian.html

>and a description of the point on

>http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupoints/ki3.html

>

>The point is found " In the depression midway between

>the tip of the medial malleolus and the attachment of

>the achilles tendon. " Just so that you know, malleolus

>is your ankle bone, and medial refers to inside leg.

>

>Just massage the point gently (not enough to cause

>yourself any discomfort) for about three minutes on

>each side daily and see if you get any positive

>result!!

>

>Best of luck

>

>Marisa

>

>--- sophiagonty <sophiagonty wrote:

>

>> I'm very intruiged with alternative medicine and

>>do alot of

>>reading on holistic health because I find balance to

>>be the most

>>precious element in the maintainance of health. For

>>the past year

>>and a half I haven't been as balanced as I've sought

>>out to be. I

>>have had amenorrhea since July 4, 2004. Since then,

>>however, I've

>>had two menstrual cycles, one in April 2005 then

>>again in August

>>2005. I was taking vitex and some homeopathy (sepia)

>>to treat the

>>hormone imbalance. However, now I'm beginning to

>>understand that

>>it's not solely a hormonal.

>> I recently moved and now unable to see the

>>acupuncturist who

>>treated me before. He diagnosed me as being blood

>>defiecent and

>>found stagnation on my liver meridain. Now a year

>>and a half later

>>still no period I'd like to go back to the blood

>>building herbs he

>>had me on before (PDL and XDH). I'm awaiting my test

>>results for my

>>recent blood draw to rule out possible anemia. My

>>blood pressure is

>>also very low, yesterday the reading was 92/66.

>>Besides the low

>>blood pressure, other symptoms include, very poor

>>circulation, low

>>energy/ fatigue, cold-limbs (hands and feet always

>>very cold), lack

>>of concentration, lost in thoughts, confused, faint

>>breathing,

>>insecure, introversion. I've concluded some

>>physcosomatic

>>connections with this imbalance and have finally

>>realized that my

>>overly giving nature and nurturing could be taking

>>away from my

>>ability to get better, and further contributing to

>>this imbalance. I

>>also seek others approval and I'm tired of feeling

>>insecure and

>>awaiting validation from others.

>> I recently read the liver has a lot of control

>>over the volume

>>of blood in the body. In addition, I've read that it

>>could also

>>reflect weak protective qi and that liver blood may

>>also be

>>deficient.

>> I'm interested in any information, insight or

>>advise concerning

>>my issues with my hormonal imbalance,(I'm about to

>>turn 25 next week

>>and would very much like to be reintroduced to my

>>feminine side)and

>>maintaining a consistant balance with my blood. Any

>>advice is

>>greatly appreciated and welcomed. Please feel free

>>to share any

>>stories you may have heard similar to mine!!!

>>

>>With love and gratitude,

>>Sophia

>>~~Also interested in any grounding techniques,

>>excercises (yoga,

>>qigong??) that might be good for me...

>>

>

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January 25, 2006

Dear Sophia

the case below is a standard one which could be found in any medical texbook

so we can learn and find the best resolution

Female 25 very intruigued with ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE , HOLISTIC HEALTH

Chief complains:

1.AMENORRHEA July/04 since then had 2 more menstrual cycles 4/05 8/05

2. very cold extremities, tireness, faint breathing, low energy,

3.Lack concentration, confuse, lost in thought, insecure feeling

Medications

1. Vitex from MD

2.Sepia (Homeopathy)

3. Blood building herbs: PDL & HDH from acupuncturist

Lab test

Blood pressure 92/66 (low)

Wait for blood test to rule out anemia

More facts to be addressed like:

Weight, high, what kind of career, social activities, extra activities (

EXCERCISE, meditation etc...) but the most inportant thing is: what the

meaning of " I've concluded some PSYCHOSOMATIC CONNECTION with this

imbalance (hormone) and have finallly realiized that my OVERLY GIVING NATURE

and NURTURING could be taking away my abilitty to get better and furthur

contributing to this imbalance.I also SEEK OTHERS APPROVAL and I 'm tired of

FEELING INSECURE and awaiting VALIDATION FROM OTHERS " and " like to be

reintroduced to my feminine side "

Amenorrhea is the absence of mentrual periods: either never start ( primary

A ) or cease to occur (secondary A) and it is a very delicate problem so it

is interest to look both at Western Medicine and Traditional Medicine (TCM)

A.Western Medicine

1.Causes: Abnormality in the brain, pituitary gland, thyroid glands, ovaries

or any part of the reproductive tract ,STRENUOUS EXCERCISES, Disorders of

uterus

2.Diagnosis & Treatment: Diagnosis is based on women's symptoms and age and

treament is based on specific causes whenever possible.

B.TCM

1.Causes:

*Congenital defect. Insufficiency of kidney qi,essence, and blood.

constitutional weakness, impairement of liver

*Multiparity and excessive sex life, overstrain and anxiety, obesity,

*Serious & chronic diseases, unproper care during menstruation

*cold attacks, cold drinks or mental depression

2. Syndrome Differentation:

a.Asthenia Syndrome:gradual reduction of menstrual flow, or even amenorrhea.

Amenorrhea due to insufficiency of liver and kidney is accompanied by

vertigo, tiinnutis, aching weakness of the loins and knee, feverish

sensation in five centers (palms, soles, chest) tidal fever, darkish-

colored tongue, taut and thin pulse, night seating

b. Sthenia Syndrome: amenorrhea and stoppage menstruation for several

months. Amenorrhea due to cold coagulation and blood stagnation is

accompanied by COLD BODY AND LIMBS, cold pain in lower abdomen.

3.Treatment:

NOURISHING for asthenia syndrome such as nourishing liver and kidney,

regulation & nourishing qi and blood.

PURGING for sthenia syndrome: activate blood to resolve stasis, regulating

qi to remove stagnation, expelling pathogenic factors

Drastic purgation ,drastic nourishing are forbidden

All informations above and any comments below are for the purpose of

learning only. Anyone with similar case should consult with Dr and get

approval before making any changes, even those changes are very simple in

our daily life: diets, excercices due to the complexcity of the problem.

1.For the best of the patient, Dr. Should be informed any treatments and

medications from different sources because there are interactions between:

drugs-drugs, drug-herbs etc..

2. Consult with Dr : change to healthy surrounding, diets, life style,

excercises which fit personality, anything out side this spectrum just stop

or forget for a while until all the problems gone.

Go out enjoy sport, out- door activities, music, travel, dinner etc...

3.Tuina ( healing art of Chinese families ) for amenorrhea: massage and

acupressure

*lying supine, put 2 palms on lower abdomen, rubbing, kneading clockwise for

10 minutes, start slow then increase speed until warm feeling.

*Sitting a little forward, rubbing up and down the lower back with 2 palms,

2 minutes until warm feeling

Apply acupressure on Large Intestine 4 located at the end of the cease made

by index finger and thumb when they are pressed together

4. Acupressure for amenorrhea

Large Intestine 4, spleen 10, Urinary Bladder 23, Urinary Bladder 32

( Acupressure step by step, a Oriental way for health by Jacqueline Young

Clinical Psychologist and Acupuncturist)

5. Yoga and Taichi for Health: can be found at community college, even high

school as courses with very reasonable price, or can find at Gyms.

Again consult with Dr before starting any excercices or self-help massage

and acupressure.

Besh Wish

Taman

*

> " sophiagonty " <sophiagonty

>Chinese Traditional Medicine

>[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Help with amenorrhea!

>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:35:23 -0000

>

> I'm very intruiged with alternative medicine and do alot of

>reading on holistic health because I find balance to be the most

>precious element in the maintainance of health. For the past year

>and a half I haven't been as balanced as I've sought out to be. I

>have had amenorrhea since July 4, 2004. Since then, however, I've

>had two menstrual cycles, one in April 2005 then again in August

>2005. I was taking vitex and some homeopathy (sepia) to treat the

>hormone imbalance. However, now I'm beginning to understand that

>it's not solely a hormonal.

> I recently moved and now unable to see the acupuncturist who

>treated me before. He diagnosed me as being blood defiecent and

>found stagnation on my liver meridain. Now a year and a half later

>still no period I'd like to go back to the blood building herbs he

>had me on before (PDL and XDH). I'm awaiting my test results for my

>recent blood draw to rule out possible anemia. My blood pressure is

>also very low, yesterday the reading was 92/66. Besides the low

>blood pressure, other symptoms include, very poor circulation, low

>energy/ fatigue, cold-limbs (hands and feet always very cold), lack

>of concentration, lost in thoughts, confused, faint breathing,

>insecure, introversion. I've concluded some physcosomatic

>connections with this imbalance and have finally realized that my

>overly giving nature and nurturing could be taking away from my

>ability to get better, and further contributing to this imbalance. I

>also seek others approval and I'm tired of feeling insecure and

>awaiting validation from others.

> I recently read the liver has a lot of control over the volume

>of blood in the body. In addition, I've read that it could also

>reflect weak protective qi and that liver blood may also be

>deficient.

> I'm interested in any information, insight or advise concerning

>my issues with my hormonal imbalance,(I'm about to turn 25 next week

>and would very much like to be reintroduced to my feminine side and

>maintaining a consistant balance with my blood. Any advice is

>greatly appreciated and welcomed. Please feel free to share any

>stories you may have heard similar to mine!!!

>

>With love and gratitude,

>Sophia

>~~Also interested in any grounding techniques, excercises (yoga,

>qigong??) that might be good for me...

>

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January 27, 2006

Dear Taman,

Thank you for your insightful recommendations and thoughts! I feel so blessed

to have received so much time and attention from you. The acupressure points

will come in handy. I have a good feeling that the resolution of this matter

will be in the near future.

Again I truely appreciate all the time and attention you put into my case.

Take care,

Sophia

PS Where did you receive your training and in what?

BICH DO <dotaman wrote: