Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Dear All, I have also heard that curcumin is being researched to treat Alzheimer's disease. I searched the internet for supportive information - I found this tidbit on Wikipedia. Many thanks for posting the article about curcumin being used to treat depression - it was very interesting.... Respectfully, Danamarie ***** From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Curcumin is the active ingredient of the Indian curry spice turmeric. It is a polyphenol with a molecular formula C21H20O6. Curcumin can exist in at least two tautomeric forms, keto and enol. The keto form is preferred in solid phase and the enol form in solution. Curcumin is known for its antitumor, antioxidant, anti-amyloid and anti-inflammatory properties. For the last few decades, extensive work has been done to establish the biological activities and pharmacological actions of curcumin. Its anticancer effects stem from its ability to induce apoptosis in cancer cells without cytotoxic effects on healthy cells. A 2004 UCLA-Veterans Affairs study involving genetically altered mice suggests that curcumin might inhibit the accumulation of destructive beta-amyloid in the brains of Alzheimer's disease patients and also break up existing plaques associated with the disease. It was published that curcumin inhibits cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) as well as lipoxygenase (LOX), two enzymes involved in inflammation. It is used as a food coloring. As a food additive, its E number is E100. ***** References Chemopreventive properties of curcumin. Campbell, Frederick C.; Collett, Gavin P. Future Oncology (2005), 1(3), 405-414. A potential role of the curry spice curcumin in Alzheimer's disease. Ringman, John M.; Frautschy, Sally A.; Cole, Gregory M.; Masterman, Donna L.; Cummings, Jeffrey L. Current Alzheimer Research (2005), 2 (2), 131-136. Curcumin derived from turmeric (Curcuma longa): A spice for all seasons. Aggarwal, Bharat B.; Kumar, Anushree; Aggarwal, Manoj S.; Shishodia, Shishir. Phytopharmaceuticals in Cancer Chemoprevention (2005), 349-387. Turmeric and curcumin: biological actions and medicinal applications. Chattopadhyay, Ishita; Biswas, Kaushik; Bandyopadhyay, Uday; Banerjee, Ranajit K. Current Science (2004), 87(1), 44-53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Elevated mood can hurt, it's a euphemism for mania. Bipolar clients do themselves the most harm in this phase because they don't think anything is wrong. Becky wrote: >fyi > This isn't TCM, but a supplement can be used for depression, called > S-Adenosylmethionine (SAMe), > http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/SAdenosylmethionineSAMecs.html > something our bodies make in small quantities. It also comes from certain foods. > > I was interested because it is good for the liver; and an elevated mood couldn't hurt I tried it in September, at half dose because it warns of a side effect of feeling 'elated'. It is also used to treat depression. The 1st time I took it I felt different, like a clear-minded high, and my walk at the trail on the lake was all smiles and energetic. The remaining doses sort of blended together without any change in mood (at half dose). > > I quit taking it because it creates homocystein, which in excess is harmful, and I was already supplementing with a methyl doner, without knowing that methionone loading is possible in excess. The sulfer-based processes can make you acidic by forming a very mild sulfuric-acid-type solution in the blood, which can corrode blood vessels and leech calcium from bones, in high doses. Some B vitamins are methyl doners; another reason not to megadose on vitamins! Some things are necessary but in small doses. > > My ph was already noted at 5 prior to starting a supplements regimine, so I stopped all methyl doners, including sam-e. I still have some left and occasionally I've taken one, but I don't feel any different with it. Only the 1st time did I feel somewhat elevated. > > >das4145 <asenat45 wrote: > Dear All, > >I have also heard that curcumin is being researched to treat >Alzheimer's disease. I searched the internet for supportive >information - I found this tidbit on Wikipedia. > >Many thanks for posting the article about curcumin being used to >treat depression - it was very interesting.... > >Respectfully, Danamarie > >***** > >>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > >Curcumin is the active ingredient of the Indian curry spice >turmeric. It is a polyphenol with a molecular formula C21H20O6. >Curcumin can exist in at least two tautomeric forms, keto and enol. >The keto form is preferred in solid phase and the enol form in >solution. > >Curcumin is known for its antitumor, antioxidant, anti-amyloid and >anti-inflammatory properties. For the last few decades, extensive >work has been done to establish the biological activities and >pharmacological actions of curcumin. Its anticancer effects stem >from its ability to induce apoptosis in cancer cells without >cytotoxic effects on healthy cells. A 2004 UCLA-Veterans Affairs >study involving genetically altered mice suggests that curcumin >might inhibit the accumulation of destructive beta-amyloid in the >brains of Alzheimer's disease patients and also break up existing >plaques associated with the disease. It was published that curcumin >inhibits cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) as well as lipoxygenase (LOX), two >enzymes involved in inflammation. > >It is used as a food coloring. As a food additive, its E number is >E100. > >***** > >References >Chemopreventive properties of curcumin. Campbell, Frederick C.; >Collett, Gavin P. Future Oncology (2005), 1(3), 405-414. > > >A potential role of the curry spice curcumin in Alzheimer's disease. >Ringman, John M.; Frautschy, Sally A.; Cole, Gregory M.; Masterman, >Donna L.; Cummings, Jeffrey L. Current Alzheimer Research (2005), 2 >(2), 131-136. > > >Curcumin derived from turmeric (Curcuma longa): A spice for all >seasons. Aggarwal, Bharat B.; Kumar, Anushree; Aggarwal, Manoj S.; >Shishodia, Shishir. Phytopharmaceuticals in Cancer Chemoprevention >(2005), 349-387. > > >Turmeric and curcumin: biological actions and medicinal >applications. Chattopadhyay, Ishita; Biswas, Kaushik; Bandyopadhyay, >Uday; Banerjee, Ranajit K. Current Science (2004), 87(1), 44-53 > > > > > > > > > > > >Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine >Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- >Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- >List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: >/community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Becky <bsalibrici> wrote: > > Can't they be reasoned with? I know very little about it, but if you are feeling great it should be tied to what is going on in your life, in addition to one's basic personality/metabolism. If you are feeling great while serious issues are falling apart around you don't regard ... then mania? Sometimes one should be bummed because of circumstances, but if you are depressed and everything around you is actually fine ... then mania? In TCM any emotion taken to extremes is a sign of problems and also a creator of problems. It goes back to the way improperly handled emotions can trigger certain imbalances, but once an Organ is imbalanced from whatever cause (trauma, viral, toxin, bacterial, fungal, etc., the person is going to be more prone to feeling the particular emotion than before. (A reminder to those new to TCM that TCM Organs are not equivalent to anatomical organs. TCM Organs are defined as collections of functions.) The TCM Organ most vulnerable to mania is the Heart. The textbooks usually use the term " joy " , but that's a poor translation. Mania is a closer translation. Obviously some joy can be good for the heart and the Heart, but mania is something else. The psychoses have a Root of severe Heart imbalance. Phlegm Fire Harassing the Heart or Phlegm Misting the Mind. Phlegm Fire in particular, and it can manifest as either depression or mania or both alternating. But the psychological symptoms are only a part of the picture. If left untreated, these imbalances also have some severe physical manifestions. Things like heart disease, a tendency to stroke, coma, etc. The goal of TCM is not the eradication of emotions but the wise use and processing of emotions. Sometimes emotions can be very helpful and even life-saving. Like when fear gets one to move away from a threat. Justified anger that causes a person to demand changes for the better. Etc. Self-confidence can be a good thing. It can get a person to reach for things that the person can obtain. But mania is different. It can cause people to be reckless to the point of endangering their financial security or even their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 <snip> > I quit taking it because it creates homocystein, > which in excess is harmful, and I was already > supplementing with a methyl doner, without > knowing that methionone loading is possible > in excess. The sulfer-based processes can make Chemical constituents? We're thinking like Westerners here aren't we. I'm not saying that's wrong. Its good to use knowledge as it applies. and in this case, your Western science knowledge of chemical constituents came in handy. However, I've heard it said that 80% of those who use herbs in the USA are self medicating without any reason other than they heard some herb was good for something. I don't fault Western medical doctors for freaking out about herbs because they get to see all the people when a bad adventure happens from those self prescribed herbs. Its been said on this list before, many times its not a matter of adding something to one's lifestyle. Its more a case of stopping a behaviour that isn't benefitial. We reflect our energetic state. We choose our course of action influenced by our energetic state. Our state of balance or imbalance is from where we make our decisions. This is why its a good idea to have a personal policy of hiring consultants. Consultants (Western or Eastern) are paid to give you the benefit of their impartial education. They are only hired help. In the end we all have to accept that they aren't living in our bodies and its us who need to accept responsibility for it. I think its very good when someone can approach herbs by their chemical constituents. However, if one reads " The Web That Has No Weaver " they'll realize that skill as not one included in the theories of . While it is good to know therapies exist based on chemical constituents, answers to those questions might be better answered on an e list that focuses on that kind of approach to therapy. Chinese herbal medicine would rarely used an herb as a what Western herbalism would call a " simple " (one at a time). Instead, they use herbs in complex formulas to balance out the good or not so good aspects of the various herbs and how they apply to the individual ingesting them. Turmeric (jiang huang) curcuma longa, the part used is the rhizome. Its qualities are cool, acrid and bitter. The organ systems its qualities most affect are said to be the Liver (yin Wood), Gallbladder (yang wood) and Heart (absolute Fire). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Belief systems are more than half the problem or the solution in many cases; see Andrea Yates, she was influenced by an extremist 'christian' teaching that " bad mothers go to hell and thair bad children will follow them " (eve's falt), and she confessed she killed her five children because,(in her deliriums) she was being a bad mother and they where 'going wrong'. Now, i don't think there has ever been in human history a worse, meaner and falser lie than this story of " original sin " . People get sick or well according to what they believe. " Mind over Matter " . If the patient has empathy and trusts the healer/doctor, it is half the battle! (at the least he will follow prescriptions). If we believe we are basically sick(or sinful), all the worse for us. If we believe we are basically healthy, good for us then! In the Taoist view of health, Harmony is the Golden Rule. Marcos -- Zenisis <findme escreveu: (.....) > Or look at Andrea Yates. From a psichiatric point of view > those > children's deaths could have been prevented if she had the > proper meds > and support. But her husband didn't believe in that--he told > her should > would just have to be " strong " . > (.....) >> Zen > > > _____ doce lar. Faça do sua homepage. http://br./homepageset.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Don't forget that Yu Jin and E Zhu are also in the tumeric family with slightly differerent properties. Bob www.acuherbals.com Penel <hyldemoer wrote: <snip> > I quit taking it because it creates homocystein, > which in excess is harmful, and I was already > supplementing with a methyl doner, without > knowing that methionone loading is possible > in excess. The sulfer-based processes can make Chemical constituents? We're thinking like Westerners here aren't we. I'm not saying that's wrong. Its good to use knowledge as it applies. and in this case, your Western science knowledge of chemical constituents came in handy. However, I've heard it said that 80% of those who use herbs in the USA are self medicating without any reason other than they heard some herb was good for something. I don't fault Western medical doctors for freaking out about herbs because they get to see all the people when a bad adventure happens from those self prescribed herbs. Its been said on this list before, many times its not a matter of adding something to one's lifestyle. Its more a case of stopping a behaviour that isn't benefitial. We reflect our energetic state. We choose our course of action influenced by our energetic state. Our state of balance or imbalance is from where we make our decisions. This is why its a good idea to have a personal policy of hiring consultants. Consultants (Western or Eastern) are paid to give you the benefit of their impartial education. They are only hired help. In the end we all have to accept that they aren't living in our bodies and its us who need to accept responsibility for it. I think its very good when someone can approach herbs by their chemical constituents. However, if one reads " The Web That Has No Weaver " they'll realize that skill as not one included in the theories of . While it is good to know therapies exist based on chemical constituents, answers to those questions might be better answered on an e list that focuses on that kind of approach to therapy. Chinese herbal medicine would rarely used an herb as a what Western herbalism would call a " simple " (one at a time). Instead, they use herbs in complex formulas to balance out the good or not so good aspects of the various herbs and how they apply to the individual ingesting them. Turmeric (jiang huang) curcuma longa, the part used is the rhizome. Its qualities are cool, acrid and bitter. The organ systems its qualities most affect are said to be the Liver (yin Wood), Gallbladder (yang wood) and Heart (absolute Fire). Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi Bob, I don't doubt you. What are the (Latin) botanical names of Yu Jin and E Zhu? > Don't forget that Yu Jin and E Zhu are also in the > tumeric family with slightly differerent properties. > Bob > www.acuherbals.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 E Zhu is Curcuma Zedoaria and Yu Jin is Curcuma Aromatica Bob www.acuherbals.com Penel <hyldemoer wrote: Hi Bob, I don't doubt you. What are the (Latin) botanical names of Yu Jin and E Zhu? > Don't forget that Yu Jin and E Zhu are also in the > tumeric family with slightly differerent properties. > Bob > www.acuherbals.com Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Zenisis <findme@z...> wrote: > I am limited by geography for the school I will attend and I doubt that > they emphasize five element theory. I will ask at orientation on > Tuesday. But I am thinking I will have to study on my own or seek > additional training on five elements after I graduate. Although they do > have continuing education classes on pschiatric disorders, perhaps that goes into five elements. In the meanwhile, you could check out the book Dragon Rises, Red Bird Flies by Leon Hammer - it explores pyschology and . I think Victoria recommended it here, and I was lucky enough to stumble across a (barely) used copy for only $5. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Re: Re: Turmeric (curcumin).... -lest we forget that PROZAC and its ilk is implicated in the vast majority of suicides & homicides. If anyone has read the shocking & v.sad, 'Talk back to Prozac', http://www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html the jigsaw pieces all fall into place...my mom wanted to take prozac back in 1988, when it came onto the market. The side effects were listed in the CPS [compendium of pharmaceutecal substances]:suicde,delusional thoughts back then. BigPharma/FDA knew it was deadly... but with $2.5 billion projected sales... -from Dr.Breggin: The FDA Continues to Affirm Antidepressant Risks First Identified in my 1991 Book Toxic Psychiatry By Peter R. Breggin, M.D. Ithaca, New York www.breggin.com In 2004 the FDA issued a black box warning about the increased risk of suicidality in children taking the newer antidepressants, including the SSRIs (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa, and Lexapro) and also Effexor and Wellbutrin (also marketed as Zyban). On June 30, 2005 the FDA published a Public Health Advisory warning of the possibility of increased suicidality in adults treated with antidepressants. The FDA followed this on July 1, 2005 with a Talk Paper elaborating on the potential risk and the agency’s plans to study the problem further. All of these documents are available on www.fda.gov. The FDA should have issued these warnings at least a decade ago. I first began writing about antidepressant-induced suicidality in 1991. At that time I identified drug-induced suicidality as part of a much larger problem—antidepressant-induced activation or stimulation similar to that caused by amphetamine, methamphetamine and cocaine. Antidepressant stimulation can lead to violence as well as suicide and a wide variety of abnormal and even psychotic behaviors. Prozac was introduced to the American public in January 1988. Three years later in my book Toxic Psychiatry (St. Martin’s Press, New York, 1991) was published. In that book, as well as in many later books and scientific articles, I made the following points: All of the newer antidepressants can stimulate the brain. The results of stimulation are similar to the effects of amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate, and cocaine. Stimulating the brain leads to anxiety, agitation, irritability, insomnia, disinhibition (loss of self-control), emotional lability (instability), akathisia (agitation with hyperactivity), hostility, aggression, and mania. Especially in people who are already depressed, these over-stimulated reactions can lead to a severe worsening of depression or to transformation of the depression into mania. These effects can cause suicide and violence toward others. After I described the risk of antidepressant-induced stimulation in 1991, I further developed the concept in subsequent books, including Talking Back to Prozac (1994), Brain-Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry (1997), Your Drug May Be Your Problem (1999, with David Cohen) and the Antidepressant Fact Book (2001). I have also testified to the same principles in numerous malpractice, product liability, and criminal cases involving antidepressant-caused suicidality, violence, and varied severe abnormal behaviors. Long before the FDA came around to agreeing with me, the courts have found sufficient scientific merit to my arguments to allow them to be expressed at trials, including product liability cases against the manufacturers of these drugs. The vast majority of these cases against drug companies were settled before going to trial. Shortly before the FDA met in 2004 to consider antidepressant-induced suicidality in children, I wrote a peer-reviewed scientific article that was simultaneously published in Ethical Human Sciences and Services and the International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine (available on www.breggin.com). My paper drew together all of the available scientific evidence that the newer antidepressants cause a stimulant or activation syndrome that can drive a person toward suicide or murder. I used scientific concepts and language in this paper that were subsequently adopted by the FDA: Mania with psychosis is the extreme end of a stimulant continuum that often begins with lesser degrees of insomnia, nervousness, anxiety, hyperactivity and irritability and then progresses toward more severe agitation, aggression, and varying degrees of mania. (Breggin 2003/4, p. 32; obtainable on www.breggin.com). I also discussed in detail the risk of akathisia (agitation with hyperactivity) as a cause of violence and suicide. On March 22, 2004 the FDA published a Talk Paper entitled, " FDA Issues Public Health Advisory on Cautions for the Use of Antidepressants in Adults and Children. " The advisory focused on adults as well as children and stated: The agency is also advising that that these patients be observed for certain behaviors that are known to be associated with these drugs, such as anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, impulsivity, akathisia (severe restlessness), hypomania, and mania. This FDA statement is interchangeable with many that I have made in the literature and in the courtroom. The FDA describes these adverse reactions as " known " —that is, scientifically demonstrated or established. The list confirms the existence of the antidepressant-induced stimulant effect or activation syndrome in adults and children with its potential to cause hostility and related behaviors. The FDA has gone on to require drug manufacturers to include these antidepressant-induced adverse effects in their FDA-approved labels for the drugs. The FDA label for antidepressants (revised January 26, 2005) requires the following statement about activation or stimulation in children and adults: The following symptoms, anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, akathisia (psychomotor restlessness), hypomania, and mania have been reported in adult and pediatric patients being treated with antidepressants for major depressive disorder as well as other indications. Simultaneously, the FDA compelled the drug companies to include a specific warning about the increased risk of suicidality in children taking antidepressants. This warning has received the most attention in the media and the medical profession. However, FDA recognition of the stimulant or activation syndrome, including the production of increased agitation, irritability, impulsivity, hostility, aggressiveness, and mania is in many ways more important. Over-stimulation is far more common than suicidality and causes not only suicidality but also violence and an endless variety of destructive, impulsive behaviors. The adverse effects described by the FDA are almost identical to mine, suggesting that they paid attention to my publications and to my testimony before the agency on two occasions in 2004 (obtainable on www.breggin.com). Also, the FDA’s has followed my method of organizing these specific adverse effects into one group that can be viewed as stimulation or activation. I have written in some detail about the implications of recent regulatory changes in regard to antidepressants that have occurred in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain. The FDA has continued to affirm the points I first made in 1991 in Toxic Psychiatry. On June 30, 2005, the FDA issued another Public Health Advisory, this time aimed more specifically at adults, entitled, " Suicidality in Adults Being Treated with Antidepressant Medications. " The FDA announced the beginning of a lengthy review of the subjected and in the meanwhile warned: Adults being treated with antidepressant medications, particularly those being treated for depression, should be watched closely for worsening of depression and for increased suicidal thinking or behavior. On July 1, 2005 the FDA issued an FDA Talk Paper on the same subject. It emphasized another point that I have been making in my books and articles, and in court, for many years: Close observation of adults may be especially important when antidepressant medications are started for the first time or when doses for the specific drugs prescribed have been changed. I have been consulted in dozens of malpractice and product liability cases in which patients have committed suicide or perpetrated violence against others shortly after starting antidepressants or shortly after dose changes. Naturally, it is gratifying to have the scientific literature and the FDA confirm observations that I have made, at some professional cost, for many years. It is satisfying to see views once labeled radical and controversial become centerpieces of establishment drug regulation. On the other hand, it is frustrating and even tragic that there has been such a long delay in coming to grips with drug-induced problems that have resulted in innumerable acts of suicide and violence. Furthermore, medical professionals, especially my colleagues in psychiatry, continue to resist and even to ignore the scientific evidence and the warnings from the FDA. The FDA itself has shown no willingness to take the next step—to ban these largely ineffective and highly dangerous agents. http://www.breggin.com/Breggin%20response%20to%207%5B1%5D.1.05%20FDA%20adult%20s\ uicide%20warnings.htm marcos <ishk18 wrote Belief systems are more than half the problem or the solution in many cases; see Andrea Yates, she was influenced by an extremist 'christian' teaching that " bad mothers go to hell and thair bad children will follow them " (eve's falt), and she confessed she killed her five children because,(in her deliriums) she was being a bad mother and they where 'going wrong'. Now, i don't think there has ever been in human history a worse, meaner and falser lie than this story of " original sin " . People get sick or well according to what they believe. " Mind over Matter " . If the patient has empathy and trusts the healer/doctor, it is half the battle! (at the least he will follow prescriptions). If we believe we are basically sick(or sinful), all the worse for us. If we believe we are basically healthy, good for us then! In the Taoist view of health, Harmony is the Golden Rule. Marcos -- Zenisis <findme escreveu: (.....) >> Or look at Andrea Yates. From a psichiatric point of view >> those >> children's deaths could have been prevented if she had the >> proper meds >> and support. But her husband didn't believe in that--he told >> her should >> would just have to be " strong " . >> (.....) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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