cancer, gas pain

[Guest guest]

I realy wouldn't use the clay. It causes constipation in so many people.

Sometimes for a short time. But you would have to add a fiber to help

keep the system moving. I know anything that absorbs gut toxins also

messes with the good bacteria supply.

 

Liz D.

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Michelle Clark <michellec

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> 8/14/2005 11:42:48 AM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

>

> so clay and charcoal are okay for damp cold persons? I was told/and read

that charcoal sucks up the good bacteria and therefore the good bacteria

need to be replenished.....yes?

> Michelle

> ----- Orig

[Guest guest]

1teapoon clay not bad

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Actually, the clay is not as bad as metamucil was when it first came out, It

looks nasty though.

Thank you for your kind words Michelle my soul has been soothed.

 

Rabiah

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/15/2005 12:01:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

michellec writes:

 

so clay and charcoal are okay for damp cold persons? I was told/and read

that charcoal sucks up the good bacteria and therefore the good bacteria

need to be replenished.....yes?

> Michelle

 

 

Victoria I have no materia medica, can you or someone answer this question?

I am curious to know the answer myself, I am also curious t know if clay or

charcoal would have harmed or helped Michele's husband with the fluids he

was retaining, I am inclined to thing that they may have. Wha t do the rest of

you say?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

" Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote:

> He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a

> problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem.

> He is so picky.

 

Ask his various dr.s about clay.

In the same breath mention pectin.

In Western nutrition pectin used for similar reasons, to provide bulk

and to help purify one's system.

Apple pectin can be found in grocery stores for making jellies and

jams. I've found it in healthfood stores in the fiber supliment section.

 

My husband adds additional pectin to his gelato recipes so he doesn't

have to use as much sugar in them. (Its not that its sweet. In gelato

sugar is used to keep large ice crystals from forming in the gelato.

 

There are some who suggest that pectin slows down the digestion of

carbohydrates making a food, in theory, less dangerous for those with

type 2 diabetes.)

 

I imagine if supplimenting with something for more bulk in a diet was

suggested as a therapy, a good cook would find more ways to slip

pectin in to a tasty diet than clay.

 

I have no idea how one would extrapolate either clay or pectin into

TCM theory.

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

He hasn't used clay or charcoal yet. Just wondered.

Michelle

-

Remediesbyrabiah

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Monday, August 15, 2005 12:37 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/15/2005 12:01:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

michellec writes:

 

so clay and charcoal are okay for damp cold persons? I was told/and read

that charcoal sucks up the good bacteria and therefore the good bacteria

need to be replenished.....yes?

> Michelle

 

 

Victoria I have no materia medica, can you or someone answer this question?

I am curious to know the answer myself, I am also curious t know if clay or

charcoal would have harmed or helped Michele's husband with the fluids he

was retaining, I am inclined to thing that they may have. Wha t do the rest

of

you say?

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you, too....for your kind heart.

Michelle

-

Remediesbyrabiah

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Monday, August 15, 2005 12:33 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

 

 

Actually, the clay is not as bad as metamucil was when it first came out, It

looks nasty though.

Thank you for your kind words Michelle my soul has been soothed.

 

Rabiah

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The clay is added to something liquid. Usually just water but you

can put it in juice. It isn't that bad unless it is a high dose.

 

Liz D.

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Michelle Clark <michellec

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> 8/15/2005 8:59:30 AM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

>

> He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a problem.

Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem. He is so picky.

> -

> Rabbitbrain

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:57 PM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/15/2005 8:51:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

hyldemoer writes:

 

" Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote:

> He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a

> problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem.

> He is so picky.

 

Ask his various dr.s about clay.

In the same breath mention pectin.

In Western nutrition pectin used for similar reasons, to provide bulk

and to help purify one's system.

Apple pectin can be found in grocery stores for making jellies and

jams. I've found it in healthfood stores in the fiber supliment section.

 

My husband adds additional pectin to his gelato recipes so he doesn't

have to use as much sugar in them. (Its not that its sweet. In gelato

sugar is used to keep large ice crystals from forming in the gelato.

 

There are some who suggest that pectin slows down the digestion of

carbohydrates making a food, in theory, less dangerous for those with

type 2 diabetes.)

 

I imagine if supplimenting with something for more bulk in a diet was

suggested as a therapy, a good cook would find more ways to slip

pectin in to a tasty diet than clay.

 

I have no idea how one would extrapolate either clay or pectin into

TCM theory.

 

Penel

 

 

I am picky I tried clay, a tsp 2 times a day it was not bad,

http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm

I buy a 32oz bottle liiquid$12.25 NSP Brand

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/16/2005 7:30:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jeffAfrankel writes:

 

http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm

thanks Jeff very informative , using bentonite was a family thing that got

passed on to me I had no idea of all the other info.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/16/2005 4:26:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Remediesbyrabiah writes:

 

http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm

thanks Jeff very informative , using bentonite was a family thing that got

passed on to me I had no idea of all the other info.

 

 

 

=====================

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know. But he thinks it is too gritty. he's very picky.

-

Rabbitbrain

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Monday, August 15, 2005 8:59 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

 

 

The clay is added to something liquid. Usually just water but you

can put it in juice. It isn't that bad unless it is a high dose.

 

Liz D.

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Michelle Clark <michellec

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> 8/15/2005 8:59:30 AM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

>

> He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a problem.

Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem. He is so picky.

> -

> Rabbitbrain

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:57 PM

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Do you know the complete TCM diagnosis of your husband? This would be

very helpful.

[Guest guest]

thanks................i didn't realize pectin was available in a processed form.

thought i needed to make applesauce.

M

-

jeffAfrankel

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:29 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/15/2005 8:51:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

hyldemoer writes:

 

" Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote:

> He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a

> problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem.

> He is so picky.

 

Ask his various dr.s about clay.

In the same breath mention pectin.

In Western nutrition pectin used for similar reasons, to provide bulk

and to help purify one's system.

Apple pectin can be found in grocery stores for making jellies and

jams. I've found it in healthfood stores in the fiber supliment section.

 

My husband adds additional pectin to his gelato recipes so he doesn't

have to use as much sugar in them. (Its not that its sweet. In gelato

sugar is used to keep large ice crystals from forming in the gelato.

 

There are some who suggest that pectin slows down the digestion of

carbohydrates making a food, in theory, less dangerous for those with

type 2 diabetes.)

 

I imagine if supplimenting with something for more bulk in a diet was

suggested as a therapy, a good cook would find more ways to slip

pectin in to a tasty diet than clay.

 

I have no idea how one would extrapolate either clay or pectin into

TCM theory.

 

Penel

 

 

I am picky I tried clay, a tsp 2 times a day it was not bad,

http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm

I buy a 32oz bottle liiquid$12.25 NSP Brand

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is a fiber Pectin, clean water is very important that's why I only use

Reverse osmosis.

 

Apple Pectin is a source of water soluble fiber which has a gel-forming

effect when mixed with water. As a dietary fiber, Apple Pectin may be helpful in

maintaining good digestive health.

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark "

<michellec@n...> wrote:

> no. our therapist keeps most of that to himself.

 

Please try again to get that info from him. It would help a lot.

 

One of the most if not the most critical considerations in TCM is

Heat/ Cold. It's so critical that getting it wrong can result in death

in extreme cases.

 

A person can have both Heat and Cold problems at the same time. For

example, overall the person may be too Cold but have Heat in the Upper

Burner (Lungs and Heart). Or have isolated Heat due to Liver Qi

Stagnation.

 

Complicating things more is that there is something called False Heat -

True Cold and False Cold - True Heat. There can be symptoms and signs

that point to Heat or Cold, but they're false.

[Guest guest]

---this sounds as if it is an elimination problem

in which case

study all the elimination techniques

colonnics enemas

massage

osteopathy

spiritual/reiki healing

 

p

In Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark "

<michellec@n...> wrote:

> Hello,

> My husband has cancer, I've written before. He has had chronic

diarrhea,

> fluctuates in temperature has been weak. The main question I have

for you

> today is ...is there a point you can EASILY describe to me that I

can rub

> that will alleviate gas. He has a lot of bloating and gas pain.

This is the

> worst day for pain that he has had. He is on pain meds which he

doesn't

> usually do...is on a transdermal patch for the first time. And

oxycodone on

> top of that. the last time he took oxy, it constipated him

horribly and so

> caused pain. Help please.

> Milchelle

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

You can try: Smooth Move - it is a herbal stimulant laxative. You

may look at this tea on: www.TraditionalMedicinals.com You can also

find it at a Holistic Food Store.

 

~Danamarie

 

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http://www.traditionalmedicinals.com/?id=31 & pid=24

 

 

> Hello,

> My husband has cancer, I've written before. He has had chronic

diarrhea,

> fluctuates in temperature has been weak. The main question I have

for you

> today is ...is there a point you can EASILY describe to me that I

can rub

> that will alleviate gas. He has a lot of bloating and gas pain.

This is the

> worst day for pain that he has had. He is on pain meds which he

doesn't

> usually do...is on a transdermal patch for the first time. And

oxycodone on

> top of that. the last time he took oxy, it constipated him

horribly and so

> caused pain. Help please.

> Milchelle