Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 I realy wouldn't use the clay. It causes constipation in so many people. Sometimes for a short time. But you would have to add a fiber to help keep the system moving. I know anything that absorbs gut toxins also messes with the good bacteria supply. Liz D. > [Original Message] > Michelle Clark <michellec > <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > 8/14/2005 11:42:48 AM > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain > > so clay and charcoal are okay for damp cold persons? I was told/and read that charcoal sucks up the good bacteria and therefore the good bacteria need to be replenished.....yes? > Michelle > ----- Orig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 1teapoon clay not bad No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice. This information is for educational purposes only. Jeff Frankel 10360 Pine Lakes Blvd North Fort Myers, Fl 33903 239-731-2655 http://www.msprotocols.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Actually, the clay is not as bad as metamucil was when it first came out, It looks nasty though. Thank you for your kind words Michelle my soul has been soothed. Rabiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 In a message dated 8/15/2005 12:01:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michellec writes: so clay and charcoal are okay for damp cold persons? I was told/and read that charcoal sucks up the good bacteria and therefore the good bacteria need to be replenished.....yes? > Michelle Victoria I have no materia medica, can you or someone answer this question? I am curious to know the answer myself, I am also curious t know if clay or charcoal would have harmed or helped Michele's husband with the fluids he was retaining, I am inclined to thing that they may have. Wha t do the rest of you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 " Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote: > He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a > problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem. > He is so picky. Ask his various dr.s about clay. In the same breath mention pectin. In Western nutrition pectin used for similar reasons, to provide bulk and to help purify one's system. Apple pectin can be found in grocery stores for making jellies and jams. I've found it in healthfood stores in the fiber supliment section. My husband adds additional pectin to his gelato recipes so he doesn't have to use as much sugar in them. (Its not that its sweet. In gelato sugar is used to keep large ice crystals from forming in the gelato. There are some who suggest that pectin slows down the digestion of carbohydrates making a food, in theory, less dangerous for those with type 2 diabetes.) I imagine if supplimenting with something for more bulk in a diet was suggested as a therapy, a good cook would find more ways to slip pectin in to a tasty diet than clay. I have no idea how one would extrapolate either clay or pectin into TCM theory. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 He hasn't used clay or charcoal yet. Just wondered. Michelle - Remediesbyrabiah Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, August 15, 2005 12:37 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain In a message dated 8/15/2005 12:01:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michellec writes: so clay and charcoal are okay for damp cold persons? I was told/and read that charcoal sucks up the good bacteria and therefore the good bacteria need to be replenished.....yes? > Michelle Victoria I have no materia medica, can you or someone answer this question? I am curious to know the answer myself, I am also curious t know if clay or charcoal would have harmed or helped Michele's husband with the fluids he was retaining, I am inclined to thing that they may have. Wha t do the rest of you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Thank you, too....for your kind heart. Michelle - Remediesbyrabiah Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, August 15, 2005 12:33 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain Actually, the clay is not as bad as metamucil was when it first came out, It looks nasty though. Thank you for your kind words Michelle my soul has been soothed. Rabiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 The clay is added to something liquid. Usually just water but you can put it in juice. It isn't that bad unless it is a high dose. Liz D. > [Original Message] > Michelle Clark <michellec > <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > 8/15/2005 8:59:30 AM > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain > > He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem. He is so picky. > - > Rabbitbrain > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:57 PM > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 In a message dated 8/15/2005 8:51:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hyldemoer writes: " Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote: > He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a > problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem. > He is so picky. Ask his various dr.s about clay. In the same breath mention pectin. In Western nutrition pectin used for similar reasons, to provide bulk and to help purify one's system. Apple pectin can be found in grocery stores for making jellies and jams. I've found it in healthfood stores in the fiber supliment section. My husband adds additional pectin to his gelato recipes so he doesn't have to use as much sugar in them. (Its not that its sweet. In gelato sugar is used to keep large ice crystals from forming in the gelato. There are some who suggest that pectin slows down the digestion of carbohydrates making a food, in theory, less dangerous for those with type 2 diabetes.) I imagine if supplimenting with something for more bulk in a diet was suggested as a therapy, a good cook would find more ways to slip pectin in to a tasty diet than clay. I have no idea how one would extrapolate either clay or pectin into TCM theory. Penel I am picky I tried clay, a tsp 2 times a day it was not bad, http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm I buy a 32oz bottle liiquid$12.25 NSP Brand No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice. This information is for educational purposes only. Jeff Frankel 10360 Pine Lakes Blvd North Fort Myers, Fl 33903 239-731-2655 http://www.msprotocols.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 In a message dated 8/16/2005 7:30:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeffAfrankel writes: http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm thanks Jeff very informative , using bentonite was a family thing that got passed on to me I had no idea of all the other info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 In a message dated 8/16/2005 4:26:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Remediesbyrabiah writes: http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm thanks Jeff very informative , using bentonite was a family thing that got passed on to me I had no idea of all the other info. ===================== Thank you No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice. This information is for educational purposes only. Jeff Frankel 10360 Pine Lakes Blvd North Fort Myers, Fl 33903 239-731-2655 http://www.msprotocols.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Yes, I know. But he thinks it is too gritty. he's very picky. - Rabbitbrain Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, August 15, 2005 8:59 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain The clay is added to something liquid. Usually just water but you can put it in juice. It isn't that bad unless it is a high dose. Liz D. > [Original Message] > Michelle Clark <michellec > <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > 8/15/2005 8:59:30 AM > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain > > He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem. He is so picky. > - > Rabbitbrain > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Sunday, August 14, 2005 5:57 PM > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Do you know the complete TCM diagnosis of your husband? This would be very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 thanks................i didn't realize pectin was available in a processed form. thought i needed to make applesauce. M - jeffAfrankel Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:29 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: cancer, gas pain In a message dated 8/15/2005 8:51:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hyldemoer writes: " Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote: > He has diarrhea for months. I don't think constipation is a > problem. Getting him to swallow clay could be a problem. > He is so picky. Ask his various dr.s about clay. In the same breath mention pectin. In Western nutrition pectin used for similar reasons, to provide bulk and to help purify one's system. Apple pectin can be found in grocery stores for making jellies and jams. I've found it in healthfood stores in the fiber supliment section. My husband adds additional pectin to his gelato recipes so he doesn't have to use as much sugar in them. (Its not that its sweet. In gelato sugar is used to keep large ice crystals from forming in the gelato. There are some who suggest that pectin slows down the digestion of carbohydrates making a food, in theory, less dangerous for those with type 2 diabetes.) I imagine if supplimenting with something for more bulk in a diet was suggested as a therapy, a good cook would find more ways to slip pectin in to a tasty diet than clay. I have no idea how one would extrapolate either clay or pectin into TCM theory. Penel I am picky I tried clay, a tsp 2 times a day it was not bad, http://www.cfsdoc.org/bentonite.htm I buy a 32oz bottle liiquid$12.25 NSP Brand No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice. This information is for educational purposes only. Jeff Frankel 10360 Pine Lakes Blvd North Fort Myers, Fl 33903 239-731-2655 http://www.msprotocols.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 This is a fiber Pectin, clean water is very important that's why I only use Reverse osmosis. Apple Pectin is a source of water soluble fiber which has a gel-forming effect when mixed with water. As a dietary fiber, Apple Pectin may be helpful in maintaining good digestive health. No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice. This information is for educational purposes only. Jeff Frankel 10360 Pine Lakes Blvd North Fort Myers, Fl 33903 239-731-2655 http://www.msprotocols.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote: > no. our therapist keeps most of that to himself. Please try again to get that info from him. It would help a lot. One of the most if not the most critical considerations in TCM is Heat/ Cold. It's so critical that getting it wrong can result in death in extreme cases. A person can have both Heat and Cold problems at the same time. For example, overall the person may be too Cold but have Heat in the Upper Burner (Lungs and Heart). Or have isolated Heat due to Liver Qi Stagnation. Complicating things more is that there is something called False Heat - True Cold and False Cold - True Heat. There can be symptoms and signs that point to Heat or Cold, but they're false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 ---this sounds as if it is an elimination problem in which case study all the elimination techniques colonnics enemas massage osteopathy spiritual/reiki healing p In Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark " <michellec@n...> wrote: > Hello, > My husband has cancer, I've written before. He has had chronic diarrhea, > fluctuates in temperature has been weak. The main question I have for you > today is ...is there a point you can EASILY describe to me that I can rub > that will alleviate gas. He has a lot of bloating and gas pain. This is the > worst day for pain that he has had. He is on pain meds which he doesn't > usually do...is on a transdermal patch for the first time. And oxycodone on > top of that. the last time he took oxy, it constipated him horribly and so > caused pain. Help please. > Milchelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Hello, You can try: Smooth Move - it is a herbal stimulant laxative. You may look at this tea on: www.TraditionalMedicinals.com You can also find it at a Holistic Food Store. ~Danamarie Home Page http://www.traditionalmedicinals.com/?title=home Regular Smooth Move http://www.traditionalmedicinals.com/?id=31 & pid=33 Chocolate Smooth Move http://www.traditionalmedicinals.com/?id=31 & pid=24 > Hello, > My husband has cancer, I've written before. He has had chronic diarrhea, > fluctuates in temperature has been weak. The main question I have for you > today is ...is there a point you can EASILY describe to me that I can rub > that will alleviate gas. He has a lot of bloating and gas pain. This is the > worst day for pain that he has had. He is on pain meds which he doesn't > usually do...is on a transdermal patch for the first time. And oxycodone on > top of that. the last time he took oxy, it constipated him horribly and so > caused pain. Help please. > Milchelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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