Improved sleep for one Cold individual

[Guest guest]

I was not suggesting Imitrex I, would not use it if you pay me money. But I

would use magnesium and certain antioxidants. And we have very good ones in

Chinese medicine ask a TCM Dr..

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You stated you had headaches, I thought any suggestion may help you,

magnesium is talked about in Chinese herbs. If you're looking for a good

product

look at Bupleurum Root it helps relieve different things in your body.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It sounds like your thyroid, if you are cold. I would work on my thyroid

and my liver there is some very good Chinese information on this.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

If that is the case, there are some very good antioxidants that would fix

this, in Chinese medicine.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Michelle Clark "

<michellec@n...> wrote:

> so is an exterior problem when you used the heating pad on your

kidneys for your migraines? I'm feeling one coming on now.

 

It's an Exterior-related problem when there are symptoms of problems

in the Exterior - the muscles, bones, meridians, etc. Sometimes a

headache will be due entirely to Interior imbalance - imbalance in the

Organs. Like what can happen with Liver Yang Rising. Sometimes it's a

combination of Exterior and Interior problems. This often is the case

when headaches are chronic and frequent and of increasing severity and

frequency.

 

The difference between the headaches (and other problems) which are

primarily Exterior and those which are a combination of Exterior and

Interior factors goes back to the difference between the Protective Qi

being temporarily overwhelmed and/or weak and the problem being

chronic. Sometimes weather changes can be so extreme and/or sudden

that they will overwhelm even strong Protective Qi. Sometimes a

person's Protective Qi will be temporarily weak because of something

like the person really pigging out on sweets at a party, staying up

late several night studying for exams and not getting enough rest, etc.

 

But sometimes there are on-going problems with Protective Qi being

deficient. That on-going deficiency of Protective Qi isn't happening

without there also being problems in the Interior (the Organs). Since

the Spleen plays the major role in Qi accumulation in the body, very

often the Spleen also will be chronically weak and deficient. This

isn't just a problem of a strong Pernicious Evil or temporary

deficiency of Protective Qi, but an on-going problem that is going to

keep getting worse until it's treated. The difference between mainly

or completely Exterior and Exterior AND Interior is the difference

between acute/ happens once in a great while and chronic/ happens with

greater and greater frequency and severity.

 

Sometimes the Protective Qi Deficiency problems aren't due to the

Spleen being weak (and unable to produce enough Qi, of which

Protective Qi is only one type) but to imbalance in the Lungs. The

Lungs are specifically responsible for Protective Qi. The Spleen plays

the major role in the accumulation of Qi, of which some becomes

Protective Qi. (I apologize for being so wordy, but I want to make

sure no reader is harmed by any information I give out and understands

what is going on. I realize that when one has a headache, that's not

the best time to be studying and taking all this in.)

 

In addition, weak Protective Qi isn't the only thing that can cause a

person to be vulnerable to changes in weather. Blood Deficiency and

Yang Deficiency also can do it. The Kidneys supply the Yang (and Yin)

to the rest of the body. In addition to the Spleen playing the major

role in Qi accumulation, the Spleen also plays a major role in the

production of Blood. When a person is having chronic problems with

Evils easily invading the Exterior because there is an underlying

Organ (usually Spleen and/or Kidney) weakness, the fancy term is

Exterior Deficiency.

 

BTW, the names of TCM Organs are capitalized because they are not

equivalent to anatomical organs of the same name. TCM Organs are

collections of functions.

 

It's not the kidneys that I targeted with the heating pad but the

acupoint Bladder 23. B 23 is the back transporting point for the

Kidneys. Back transporting (aka " Shu " ) points are very interesting and

helpful points. There is one for each of the Organs. For example B 18

is the Shu point for the Liver. B 13 is the Shu point for the Lungs. B

25 is the Shu point for the Large Intestine. Etc.

 

The Shu points on the back are diagnostic in that when one of them are

pressed on, if there is a weakness or problem in the corresponding

Organ, the point will be sore. If the problem is especially severe and

has been going on for some time, one doesn't have to press on the

point to tell it is sore. The soreness and even pain is felt without

any pressure on the point. The back transporting points can help

healers zero in on or confirm diagnoses. In the case of the original

poster, I would am curious if B 20 is sore. The believe the poster

mentioned she's being treated for Blood Deficiency as well as Qi

Deficiency. B 20 is the Shu point for the Spleen. The Spleen plays a

major role in both Qi accumulation and Blood production.

 

But Shu points aren't just diagnostic, they're also used for treatment

because working the Shu points directly affects the corresponding

Organs.

 

In my case, applying a heating pad to B 23 worked wonders. In seconds

I got rid of a developing migraine that ordinarilly it would have

taken at least a day to get rid of and a shot of demerol in the

emergency room wouldn't stop, only blunt to the point where I could

sleep through most of the worse of it. So why did a heating pad on B

23 work for me but may not work for another migraine sufferer with

Exterior Deficiency. Because 1. the most severe imbalance and weakness

I had was Kidney imbalance and weakness. There was no stopping those

migraines I suffered until the underlying Kidney problem was improved

because Kidney Yang Deficiency was playing the major role in my being

so vulnerable to Perncious Evil.

 

2. It took a heating pad over B 23 to work really fast in my case

because the Pernicious Evil that I am most vulnerable to is Cold.

Also, I needed the Yang of heat. My major problem was Kidney Yang

Deficiency.

 

For someone else, the Shu point to work may be B20 because the

person's primary Interior problem is Spleen Deficiency. Heat would

only be called for if Cold is the primary Evil problem. In some

cases, pressure on or massage of the point would be what works whereas

heat would do nothing or even make the headache worse.

 

BTW, Shu points are used primarily to benefit Yang, but they also can

be used to benefit Yin. With moxa (heat), they are very Yang-

helpful. With pressure, massage, or needling, they can benefit Yin.

 

The readers on the lsit who practice massage professionally may want

to study the Shu points in more detail since they are both diagnostic

and treatment points.

 

BTW, there are artificial weather conditions as well as natural ones.

Sitting in a draft from an air conditioner is exposing a person to

Wind Cold just like if the person was outside on a cold, windy day

without adequate clothing. Since the effects of Pernicious Evils

aren't limited to the effects of temperature on skin and muscles,

sometimes even protective clothing won't be enough to stop the effects

of the weather. The Protective Qi, Blood, and/or Yang needs to be

strengthened. The Organs need to be strenghtened and balanced.

 

The Kidneys are the Organ which is most vulnerable to Cold. But the

Spleen also is vulnerable to Cold. The Spleen is most vulnerable to

Dampness. The Liver is most vulnerable to Wind. Wind very easily

teams up with other Pernicious Evils to cause all kinds of problems.

As a general rule, in the case of Exterior Deficiency, the Evil that

the person is most vulnerable to in the environment will tend be the

Evil that the most imbalnced and weakest Organ is most vulnerable to.

In my case, my very weak and imbalanced Kidneys causes me to most

bothered by Cold. That doesn't mean that Wind and to an extent

Dampness don't also bother me, but Cold sets off the worst and most

far-reaching chain of problems. Cold not only weakens the Kidneys, it

destroys Yang. Just what I need. Even less Yang than I already have.

Even weaker Kidneys which are providing even less Yang to the body. It

was a snowballing situation until I got proper treatment.

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> The readers on the lsit who practice massage professionally

> may want to study the Shu points in more detail since they

> are both diagnostic and treatment points.

 

A quick site for information on this subject is

<http://www.yinyanghouse.com/chinesetheory/theory-mushu.html>

 

A comment and question, I was taught to use Shu assessment for

chronic things and Mu (on the front of the body) for acute.

 

So I'm wondering, if a condition is chronic wouldn't whatever Shu

point that applies always be a tad on the tender side?

 

Wouldn't a Mu point give more of a dramatic response when something

like drastic like a migraine is coming on?

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

> You stated you had headaches, I thought any suggestion may help

you,

> magnesium is talked about in Chinese herbs. If you're looking for

a good product

> look at Bupleurum Root it helps relieve different things in your

body.

 

This is a post for the people on the list who are new to TCM and for

the beginning TCM students. It's about how TCM looks at healing

substances.

 

There are no " magic bullet " , one-size-fits-all healing substances in

TCM. There is a very careful analysis of what TCM imbalance(s) the

person suffers from and an equally careful choice of healing

substances. Treatment in TCM is individualized to a degree not seen

in allopathic medicine.

 

The Chinese Materia Medica is a book of officially recognized

healing substances in TCM. The term " herb " is used collectively and

for simplicity's sake to cover not just plant parts but all healing

substances.

 

The chapters in the CMM are arranged according to the primary use of

the herb. Herbs often will have more than one use, but the primary

use determines which chapter the herb will go into. An example of

chapters in the CMM is Herbs That Release the Exterior. This

chapter is further divided into Warm, Acrid Herbs that Release the

Exterior and Cool, Acrid Herbs that Release the Exterior. If the

herbalist has determined that the client definitely has an Exterior

imbalance, at least one herb from this Release the Exterior chapter

will be included in the formula. But which herb?

 

One of the most critical determinations in TCM is Hot vs. Cold. If

the person has a Hot or Cold imbalance, it is of the upmost

importance that it be identified. Further warming a person who is

too Hot already will make the person sicker. Further cooling a

person who is too Cold already will make the person sicker. In some

extreme cases failure to consider Hot/ Cold can result in death.

This determination is that important.

 

Each healing substance has what is called thermal energy. It has a

cooling, neutral, or warming effect on the body. Each healing

substance in the CMM has it thermal energy listed. In the case of

bupleurum (aka Radix (Root of) Bupleuri, aka Chai Hu), the thermal

energy is " cool " . (The 5 possible thermal energies are Cold, Cool,

Neutral, Warm, and Hot.)

 

Bupleurum's basic properties are a bitter, acrid (pungent) taste and

Cool thermal energy. It's primary use is a Cool, Acrid Herb That

Releases the Exterior. It's a great herb to use for someone who has

Heat in the Exterior. However, if used alone in a person whose

problem is Cold in the Exterior, it will make the person sicker.

Just like raw (fresh - not dried) ginger is a great herb for

releasing the Exterior and dispersing cold in a person who suffers

from Exterior Cold, but will make a person who suffers from Exterior

Heat sicker.

 

However, like most healing substances, bupleurum has more than one

use. It is a great herb for the Liver and Gall Bladder. It restores

normal function to these two Organs. It also causes Liver Qi to

spread like it should and unblocks a " restrained " / " depressed "

Liver. It's one of the best herbs for restrained Liver.

 

So what does a healer do in a case where a person suffers from both

a restained Liver and Exterior Heat? You treat both at once.

 

TCM healers are trained to diagnose the entire person, and whenever

possible to treat all the person's problems at the same time. Rarely

will only one or even two herbs be prescribed. There usually will be

a minimum of 4 herbs in a formula, and there may be more than a

dozen depending on the individual's needs.

 

For one thing, the healer can look for an herb that will unblock the

Liver but won't cool the Exterior. But let's say that another herb

hasn't successfully done this, and the person really needs

bupleurum. What to do then?

 

One way around the problem is that one includes herbs that warm the

Exterior along with bupleurum in the formula. That way, both

problems are treated at the same time. If a couple of Warm the

Exterior herbs are included in the formula, that's going to

neutralize bupluerum's cooling effect on the Exterior while not

interfering with its unblocking the Liver.

 

Another way is to give the person two different formulas. This is

what the herbalist I saw did for me. There was the basic formula

that was treating the Interior imbalances plus Minor Blue Green

Dragon tea for treating the Exterior problems. I drank half a cup

(warmed) of each in the morning and in the evening. The order didn't

matter in my case.

 

There are no one-size-fits-all treatments in TCM. Treatment is

individualized to a degree not seen in allopathic medicine. The

goal is to be able to predict with certainty when something will

work, won't work, or make the person sicker. All problems are

diagnosed, and when possible treated at the same time. Herbs

sometimes are included in formulas to prevent side effects from

other herbs. Very, very rarely will a formula consist of one or even

two herbs.

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

it is an interesting sequence: first, constriction, then

dilation. The constriction is usually due to muscular tension

which constrict the blood flow to the brain, and that can be

caused by ascent of Liver Yang(fire), this goes with the

visual(Liver) disturbances. The dilation would be a congestion of

the blood in the blood vessels because of the associated

tension/obstruction or would it be just reflex of " Wood attack on

Earth " , as the Spleen keeps the blood in the vessels and it's

weakening would lead to such a dilation?

Marcos

 

--- Dr Steven J Slater <laozhongyi escreveu:

 

> Hi Jeff,

>

> I don't have headaches. I am a doctor of TCM. Seeing as you

> mentioned

> the action and reasons for using magnesium to treat migraines

> as that

> dilating blood vessels will relieve them I posted the standard

>

> western medicine knowledge on this issue. The pain of migraine

>

> headaches is due to dilation of the blood vessels not

> constriction

> and therefore any substance that dilates the blood vessels will

> not

> improve a migraine.

>

> They may however play a role in preventing the occurrence of

> migraines and may treat other types of headaches (migraines is

> an

> overused term for any very painful headache which is misleading

> in

> itself). The initial stage of visual disturbances or " aura " of

>

> classic migraines is caused by constriction of the blood

> vessels,

> then, when the blood vessels reflexively react (excessively) to

> this

> constriction and dilate, the headache occurs.

>

> Constricted blood flow does is not the usual cause of

> migraines, it

> causes the aura.......the pain is caused by dilation of the

> blood

> vessels.

>

> Again, I don't know what any of this has to do with Chinese

> Healing.

> Maybe I joined the wrong group.

>

> Steve

>

> On 21/07/2005, at 7:55 PM, jeffAfrankel wrote:

>

> > Steve if you were to go to the doctors they would probably

> give you

> > a drug

> > called Imitrex, this diolates blood vessels. Everything I've

>

> > learned is that

> > magnesium corrects this problem. But I don't know how your

> > headaches are.

> > What other symptoms do you have, I'm curious. Usually

> restricted

> > blood flow

> > causes headaches that's why using magnesium helps.

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " hyldemoer " <hyldemoer>

wrote:

 

> A comment and question, I was taught to use Shu assessment for

> chronic things and Mu (on the front of the body) for acute.

>

> So I'm wondering, if a condition is chronic wouldn't whatever Shu

> point that applies always be a tad on the tender side?

>

> Wouldn't a Mu point give more of a dramatic response when

something

> like drastic like a migraine is coming on?

 

I've never tried the Mu points for my headaches. Probably because

the Bladder and Small Intestine points worked so well. (If the

headache had progressed to extreme nausea, I also had to use some

points on the Liver and Stomach channels to get rid of the nausea.)

They gave such dramatic results for me that I never thought of

trying anything else.

 

I would think that in the case of chronic Interior imbalance,

whatever Shu point applies would always be at least " a tad on the

tender side. " But some are going to be more tender than others.

Bladder 23 was such a standout for me that when I started to learn

about acupoints and saw a picture of acupoints on the back, I

instantly made the connection. Hey! That's the spot on my back that

hurts so bad some time!

[Guest guest]

I got this info from another list,part of the question being asked was why

there was a difference between the thermal energetics ascribe to a plant in TCM,

and Tibb,or ayurveda. I have noted these discrepancies myself and wondered

about them. Apart from the plants having different constituents because of

soil, location etc, or just being a different plant what aare your thoughts on

the

matter? Also is anyone here familiar with the Dr. mentioned and his work?

 

 

Dr. Peter Holmes, a TCM trained physician who uses western herbs,

decribes Damascus Rose as follows;

 

" Rose Flower

Botanical source : Rosa damascena Miller,

R. centifolia L. (Rosaceae)

Pharmaceutical name : Flos Rosae

Ancient names : Rodon (Gr)

Rosa (Lat)

Other names : a) Damask rose

b) Cabbage/May rose (Eng)

a) Rose bulgare, rose de Damas (Fr)

b) Rose de mai (Fr)

a) Damaskus Rose (Ge)

b) Bulgarische Rose (Ge)

Satapatri (Sans)

Part used : the flowerhead

NATURE

Therapeutic category : mild remedy with minimal chronic toxicity

Constituents: essential oil (incl . phenylethylic alcohols, geraniol,

citronellol, rhodinal, nerol, serol,

linalool, eugenol, stearopten, acetates, aldehydes), tannins 10-24%,

organic acids, flavonoid quercitrin,

lipids, cyanin, resin

Effective qualities: a bit astringent and sweet, cool, both dry and

moist

calming, astringing, stabilizing, restoring, decongesting, sinking

Tropism: heart, reproductive organs, stomach, intestines, liver, blood

Warmth, Fluid, Air bodies

Heart, Liver, Gallbladder, Stomach, Chong, Ren meridians

Ground: Choleric and Sanguine krases

Industrious/Tai Yang and Expressive/Jue Yin biotypes

Hematogenic/Sulphuric constitution

FUNCTIONS AND INDICATIONS

1 TONIFIES REPRODUCTIVE QI, HARMONIZES MENSTRUATION AND RELIEVES

INFERTILITY

AND IMPOTENCE

uterus Qi deficiency with stagnation : delayed, painful or irregular

menstruation

DYSMENORRHEA

PMS from PROGESTERONE DEFICIENCY with low self-esteem, introversion,

depression

INFERTILITY, IMPOTENCE, lack of sexual drive in any condition

STERILITY in both sexes, low sperm count, incompetent sperm

2 CLEARS HEAT, REMOVES CONGESTION AND STOPS BLEEDING ; RELIEVES

IRRITABILITY

AND PROMOTES REST _ _

Blood heat: spontaneous bleeding, rashes, fever

HEMORRHAGE, bleeding from any orifice (esp . uterine bleeding)

INTERMENSTRUAL BLEEDING (metrorrhagia)

liver fire : constipation, red congested head, nosebleeds,

irritability

stomach heat: mouth sores, hunger, thirst for cold drinks, gastric

hyperacidity

uterus blood congestion: early, copious menstruation

MENORRHAGIA, leucorrhea

IRRITABILITY, insomnia in hot conditions

3 STIMULATES THE LIVER, PROMOTES BILE FLOW AND RESOLVES

ACCUMULATION ; LIFTS

THE SPIRIT AND AND RELIEVES DEPRESSION

liver and gallbladder Qi stagnation : depression, moodiness, mid-back

and side pain, indigestion,

constipation

LIVER CONGESTION

gallbladder heat: nausea, headache, sour belching, vomiting, right

subcostal pain, irritability

CHOLECYSTITIS, cholangitis

DEPRESSION (chronic, incl . from emotional shock, grief, PMS ; with

anxiety disorders)

4 CLEARS TOXIC HEAT AND DAMP HEAT, REDUCES INFLAMMATION AND INFECTION

EYE, MOUTH, GUM and SKIN INFLAMMATIONS (incl . conjunctivitis,

periodontitis, atopic dermatitis,

mastitis ; acute bronchitis)

fire toxin : boils, carbuncles, abscesses

intestines damp heat: loose, painful stool, chronic diarrhea

ENTERITIS (incl . dysentery)

HERPES, shingles

5 PROMOTES TISSUE REPAIR AND MOISTENS THE SKIN

WOUNDS, ulcers, sprains, strains

DRY, DEHYDRATED or INFLAMED SKIN (incl . eczema)

WRINKLES, broken veins/capillaries

 

PREPARATION

Use: For internal use, only the infusion, tincture and essential oil

of Rose flower should be used .

The long infusion is especially astringing, cooling and decongestant.

Rose flower tincture is a good

preparation for all general purposes . Essential oil of Rose may be

less astringent than the other two

preparations, but is highly effective in general . Only the essential

oil derived by steam distillation or

carbon dioxide extraction, also known as Rose otto (from Rosa

damascena), should be used-not the

absolute extract of Rose (usually from Rosa centifolia), which may

contain traces of chemical solvents .

For topical use (aromatherapy massage, for example), Rose absolute is

fine, and is often available

in 10% dilution in jojoba oil . For this, Rose absolute 10% should be

diluted 3-5% in a carrier oil .

Externally, an ointment, sun oil, wash, etc ., is very beneficial .

Douches are used in vaginal

infections and simple discharges . Eye washes, mouthwashes and

gargles are anti-inflammatory,

soothing and highly antiseptic.

Dosage: Infusion : 6-14 g

Tincture: 2-4 ml

Essential oil : 1 drop in a gel cap topped with some olive oil

Caution: None

NOTES

The current neglect of rose as a medicinal plant is not only due to

the high price of the pure essential oil

and the unavailability of the tincture . The costliness of remedies

has never deterred either physician or

patient where an effective medicine is concerned . Even the growth of

aromatherapy has not fully secured

the place in therapy that this outstanding herb deserves . No, like

many remedies that are draining

through clearing heat, Rose flower has been forgotten because of the

demise of simple Galenic

principles that we now find in Chinese medicine . We are simply

oblivious to the fact that the rose, a

common garden ornamental, is also a major cool, astringent

decongestant.

Up to the eighteenth century, physicians, pharmacists, midwives,

barbers, beauticians and cooks

did not dismiss the value of Rose flower. Nor did they particularly

want to dismiss it . The soothing,

comforting, elegant scent of Rose wafted through their lives to

smother the filth-generated stench of

those days . Rose-based preparations found their way into every

corner of life, and rose water was their

vehicle. Rose water is a spin-off product of the distillation

process . In the kitchen rose water was used

for broths, pies and pastry, as well as in desserts . In the boudoir

it was used for skin creams, lotions,

powders and more . In the apothecary Rose syrup, conserve, julep,

vinegar, honey, sugar, electuary, wine,

biscuits, cake, oil and ointment were all essential stock for the

daily trade . Volumes could be filled

describing Rose flower preparations .

The Middle Ages also had the benefit of the exquisite intellectual

and sensory subtlety of Persian

physicians such as AR-RAZZ and their European acolytes to thank for

spreading Rose flower as an item of

medicinal and daily use . The voluminous texts of these alchemists

who routinely distilled rose petal

extracts are very precise and specific in describing the qualities of

this versatile remedy. The white rose

is cooler and more laxative ; the dried red rose is warmer and more

astringent; the fresh red rose is

warmer and more laxative . In short, the fresh white rose is the best

cool laxative, while the dried red

rose is the best astringent. What could be more logical and

straightforward?

Today we have no reason to disagree with these clinical findings .

Modern usage of the essential

oil, generally speaking, fully corroborates past experience . Even

though it contains no tannins, the

essential oil is an important anti-inflammatory, astringent,

hemostatic and styptic agent, especially when

heat is involved . It is perfect for Blood heat and Liver fire

patterns with spontaneous bleeding,

including uterine bleeding-like its similar Biota Ce Bai Ye from the

Chinese pharmacy . In all hot

conditions (both physiological and emotional) Rose's gentle

refrigerant nervous sedative action will reduce irritability and

induce rest.

On reproductive functions Rose is restorative and ultimately

balancing, with a time-honored

reputation for frigidity, impotence and infertility from low sperm

count. A progesteronic hormonal

action is involved here . The resultant uterine restorative and

decongestant effects address both delayed

periods with long cycles, and heavy, painful periods with a Yin,

introverted type of PMS. Rose's

synergistic capillary stimulant action helps in the pelvic basin as

it does topically on the skin (note here

the flavonoid quercetrin). However, for a fuller effect in (pre)

menstrual disorders the essential oil should

also be smelled . The psychological role of progesterone, after all,

is to nurture a loving relationship with

ourselves .

Because Rose flower's focus is also on the liver, it can

transform " choleric damp or superfluous

gall " (RYFF 1573) . Rose has shown good cholagogue activity and

should be considered for liver

syndromes presenting Qi stasis and heat, especially in Fire types

prone to anger and irritability . Both as

substance and fragrance, Rose has also proven highly antidepressant-

perfect for the terminal selfanihilation

brought on by liver depression or progesterone deficiency PMS, and

for the heartbreaking

sorrow caused by emotional shock .

Whether or not it is used mainly for women's problems, as is common,

Rose invites true aromatherapy,

a therapy of the soul through scent . Today we have as much need of

its deeply nurturing, lovepromoting

scent for emotional reasons as the Middle Ages did its antiseptic

action for hygienic ones . "

 

So, offhand, it looks like an infusion or tincture is what you are

looking for. However, the eclectics did a bit of work on this

subject;

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/rosa-gall.html

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/php/get?id=8370

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/rosa_oleu.html

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/php/get?id=8404

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/rosa-cent.html

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/php/get?id=8359

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/rosa-cani.html

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/php/get?id=8358

 

The above references contain information on several rose preparations.

 

Francis, I suggest you have a read of the above and tell me;

 

1) Which of the eclectic preparations you would like to make in a

spagyric way

 

2) If taking the tincture or infusion route, based on the material in

the files or in the posts, how you would prepare the extraction

liquid....

 

Cheers,

 

 

Dr. G.

EastWestMedicalSpagyrics , " ariaksatri2 "

<aryaksatriya@e...> wrote:

> Dr. G.: asked <<Depends on the use of your preparation. To what

> medicinal purpose

> are you working Rose flowers ?>>

>

> As I'm in the midst of a course discussing Islamic and Arabic

healing,

> I'm coming at this from the angle of certain traditional Arabic

> applications, predominantly as a relaxant, comparable *perhaps* to

the

> use of Amber in TCM influencing Shen.

>

> My secondary purpose is as a pain reliever, especially for head

aches,

> as the Arabic uses are also suggestive of rose in pain relief. It

is

> unclear to me however if the rose energetics are applicable in ALL

> types of pain, or only as regards particular patterns. Thus, I'm

> interested at this point in trying a spagyric rose, and seeing

where

> the results might lead.

>

> Best,

> Francis