Improved sleep for one Cold individual

[Guest guest]

I've been observing something for several months. When I place a

heating pad beneath the outer edge and ankle of one foot and another

beneath the inner edge and ankle of the other foot, my sleep is a

lot deeper and more refreshing than when I don't. I also don't wake

up as frequently during the night, having to go to the bathroom. The

length of time I can sleep without waking up to go to the bathroom

went from 2 hours to 3 to 5.

 

Like so many things, I stumbled across this. It started last

winter. Being much improved from what I used to be, I took a walking

tour of old houses decorated for Christmas. As is so often the case

when I walk too much for me - especially in winter - my calves hurt

and were sore. So I put heating pads on them. When I woke up after

taking a nap with the pads in place, the pain was gone. Before that,

it took a few days of rest to make the pain go away whenever I

overdid.

 

After a few times of using this and observing it working each time,

I decided to try the heating pads on my feet because they tend to be

uncomfortable. The first time I tried it I slept longer than usual

without having to go to the bathroom, I slept deeper, and I woke

more refreshed than usual. Each time I've tried it, this has been

the result. Also the length of time I went without having to go to

the bathroom and the quality of sleep improved gradually the longer

I have done this.

 

I wish I could pinpoint exactly who this will help and who it won't

or could even make worse. I can't because I've only worked with one

person - myself.

 

All I can tell you is that I have some on-going problems with Kidney

Yang Deficiency (not as bad as they were) and some on-going problems

with weather sensitivity (especially to cold weather).

 

I did find out that there is a point on both the outer and inner

ankles that are used to treat insomnia. Kidney 6, aka " Joyful

Sleep " is " directly below the inside of the anklebone in a slight

indentation " . (Acupressure's Potent Points, Michael Reed Gach,

p.134.) It " relieves insomnia, heel and ankle pain, hyperstension,

and anxiety. " (p. 134) Bladder 62, aka " Calm Sleep " is " in the first

indentation directly bleow the outer anklebone. " It " relieves

insomnia and the back pain that makes it difficult to sleep. " (p.

134.)

 

One thing I want to point out is that when a person has lived with

chronic pain for some time, they often learn to ignore it. Also even

low level pain can have a lot of impacts if it goes on long enough.

Both Qi Stagnation and Blood Stasis can cause pain, and Cold can

trigger both. Gach also writes, " If pain is causing insomnia, you

must relieve the pain to promote a relaxed, beneficial sleep. " (p.

131.)

 

Gach goes on to say, " According to traditional Chinese medicine, an

uneven distribution of energy can also cause insomnia. In such

cases, certain meridians (the energy pathways that connect

acupressure points) become overloaded, while others become blocked.

By pressing certain points, you can correct this energy imbalance. "

(p. 131.)

 

I've found over and over that when there is Cold in the meridians, a

heating pad often will work faster and better than pressure on the

point. My next step will be experimenting with pressure on the point

after first using the heating pad to see if that results in even

faster improvement.

 

I just happen to be unusually prone to Cold entering the meridians

and causing various problems. Including the very severe migraines I

used to have. (Note: Not all migraines are caused by Cold (and/or

Wind, and/or Dampness) in the meridians, especially the Bladder and

Small Intestine meridians.

 

BTW, both the Kidneys and the Spleen are particularly vulnerable to

Cold. Especially the Kidneys.

 

Using a heating pad over acupoints and meridians definitely is a no-

no if there is Heat in the meridians. Unless the Heat is localized

and caused by Cold which has triggered Qi Stagnation, and the Heat

is due to blocked Qi. In that case it's relieve the Cold so the Qi

can flow properly, and the Heat will no longer build up.

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> My next step will be experimenting with pressure on

> the point after first using the heating pad to see if

> that results in even faster improvement.

 

 

Have you tried moxabustion?

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/2005 7:21:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

hyldemoer writes:

 

<snip>

> My next step will be experimenting with pressure on

> the point after first using the heating pad to see if

> that results in even faster improvement.

 

 

Have you tried moxabustion?

 

Penel

==============================

 

Please take your temperature,for seven days,would like to know where it's

at,.It sounds like your Thyroid needs help .The product you want to look into

is iodine but you need a special iodine.

=

 

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon> wrote:

> I've been observing something for several months. When I place a

> heating pad beneath the outer edge and ankle of one foot and another

> beneath the inner edge and ankle of the other foot, my sleep is a

> lot deeper and more refreshing than when I don't. I also don't wake

> up as frequently during the night, having to go to the bathroom. The

> length of time I can sleep without waking up to go to the bathroom

> went from 2 hours to 3 to 5.

>

> Like so many things, I stumbled across this. It started last

> winter. Being much improved from what I used to be, I took a walking

> tour of old houses decorated for Christmas. As is so often the case

> when I walk too much for me - especially in winter - my calves hurt

> and were sore. So I put heating pads on them. When I woke up after

> taking a nap with the pads in place, the pain was gone. Before that,

> it took a few days of rest to make the pain go away whenever I

> overdid.

>

> After a few times of using this and observing it working each time,

> I decided to try the heating pads on my feet because they tend to be

> uncomfortable. The first time I tried it I slept longer than usual

> without having to go to the bathroom, I slept deeper, and I woke

> more refreshed than usual. Each time I've tried it, this has been

> the result. Also the length of time I went without having to go to

> the bathroom and the quality of sleep improved gradually the longer

> I have done this.

>

> I wish I could pinpoint exactly who this will help and who it won't

> or could even make worse. I can't because I've only worked with one

> person - myself.

 

I'm going to suggest it to my 89 yo mother who often has trouble

staying asleep and/or has to wake a couple times to use the bathroom.

It's worse in winter, but she sometimes has trouble in warm weather.

She realized last winter that she was cold, and I sent her a nice warm

pair of jammies.

 

> All I can tell you is that I have some on-going problems with Kidney

> Yang Deficiency (not as bad as they were) and some on-going problems

> with weather sensitivity (especially to cold weather).

>

> I did find out that there is a point on both the outer and inner

> ankles that are used to treat insomnia. Kidney 6, aka " Joyful

> Sleep " is " directly below the inside of the anklebone in a slight

> indentation " . (Acupressure's Potent Points, Michael Reed Gach,

> p.134.) It " relieves insomnia, heel and ankle pain, hyperstension,

> and anxiety. " (p. 134) Bladder 62, aka " Calm Sleep " is " in the first

> indentation directly bleow the outer anklebone. " It " relieves

> insomnia and the back pain that makes it difficult to sleep. " (p.

> 134.)

>

> One thing I want to point out is that when a person has lived with

> chronic pain for some time, they often learn to ignore it. Also even

> low level pain can have a lot of impacts if it goes on long enough.

> Both Qi Stagnation and Blood Stasis can cause pain, and Cold can

> trigger both. Gach also writes, " If pain is causing insomnia, you

> must relieve the pain to promote a relaxed, beneficial sleep. " (p.

> 131.)

 

Ahhhh. Last summer and the summer before she broke her hip, though the

first time was a fracture, not a complete break. She's having some

difficulty recovering, partly because she wasn't getting the rest she

needed. Another interesting thing... one of her instep/arches was very

painful so that she couldn't walk and build up her leg strength. The

Doctor said it was inflamed and to use ice, but that made it worse.

She alternated heat and cold instead, and it was better in just a

couple days. Can't remember if she used heat alone.

 

> Gach goes on to say, " According to traditional Chinese medicine, an

> uneven distribution of energy can also cause insomnia. In such

> cases, certain meridians (the energy pathways that connect

> acupressure points) become overloaded, while others become blocked.

> By pressing certain points, you can correct this energy imbalance. "

> (p. 131.)

 

Time of day can indicate which meridian is blocked. My mother usually

she wakes up around 3-5 am. She had pneumonia 35 years ago and has

weakness in her lungs.

 

Thanks, will let you know if she tries this and how it works for her.

 

sue

[Guest guest]

Take your temperature please, morning and night, would it be OK for me to

pass this on to my friend who is a certified master herbalist, she is also well

versed in Chinese herbs that work. Are there any drugs being used by this

person.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " hyldemoer " <hyldemoer>

wrote:

 

> Have you tried moxabustion?

 

Not yet because most of the points I need to apply heat to are points

that I can't easily moxa myself. Though I should consider moxa on some

points I can reach and research it more.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " qiuser " <qiuser> wrote:

> I'm going to suggest it to my 89 yo mother who often has trouble

> staying asleep and/or has to wake a couple times to use the

bathroom.

> It's worse in winter, but she sometimes has trouble in warm

weather.

> She realized last winter that she was cold, and I sent her a nice

warm

> pair of jammies.

 

Please let me know how it works for her.

 

I use microwavable heating pads. I heat each for 2 minutes in the

summer and as long as 4 minutes in the coldest months. I use them

when I'm going to sleep - at night and for afternoon naps.

 

Since your mother is elderly and may not feel damage heat can do,

she may want to go with something mildly warm to make sure it

doesn't burn her.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

 

> Please take your temperature,for seven days,would like to know where

it's

> at,.It sounds like your Thyroid needs help .The product you want to

look into

> is iodine but you need a special iodine.

 

Is there any particular time I should take it?

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon> wrote:

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

>

> > Please take your temperature,for seven days,would like to know where

> it's

> > at,.It sounds like your Thyroid needs help .The product you want to

> look into

> > is iodine but you need a special iodine.

>

> Is there any particular time I should take it?

 

First thing when you wake up. Keep the thermometer beside your bed and

only move to reach for it. Low readings would indicate hypothyroid.

Here's a couple site with more information..

http://www.drlowe.com/sitemap.htm

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/

 

sue

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon "

<victoria_dragon> wrote:

> Chinese Traditional Medicine , " qiuser " <qiuser> wrote:

> > I'm going to suggest it to my 89 yo mother who often has trouble

> > staying asleep and/or has to wake a couple times to use the

> bathroom.

> > It's worse in winter, but she sometimes has trouble in warm

> weather.

> > She realized last winter that she was cold, and I sent her a nice

> warm

> > pair of jammies.

>

> Please let me know how it works for her.

>

> I use microwavable heating pads. I heat each for 2 minutes in the

> summer and as long as 4 minutes in the coldest months. I use them

> when I'm going to sleep - at night and for afternoon naps.

>

> Since your mother is elderly and may not feel damage heat can do,

> she may want to go with something mildly warm to make sure it

> doesn't burn her.

 

After I thought about it... you have cold Water (Kidney/Bladder)

energy because of the deficient Kidney chi. Her's is likely cold Metal

from the pneumonia. That's why wearing long sleeves helped her sleep

better - warmed the L/LI meridians.

 

I spoke to her today, and don't think she'll try it. She's been

sleeping okay lately, as she's doing a little yard work and that's

enough to tire her out which is part of her inability to sleep well

during the winter. She isn't as active then, and so doesn't get as

physically tired. But I'll bring it up again if she has a spell of

insomnia. And remember it for myself and other people.

 

sue

[Guest guest]

This is what I would try if I had migraines, I would take magnesium probably

in capsules form, open a capsule, put the ingredient under my tongue for

five minutes. What this will do, is dilate blood vessels in your brain no more

headache.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

There are different possible underlying TCM Roots to migraines so

what I'm about to suggest here wouldn't necessarily work for all

migraine sufferers and could even make some sicker. So I'm going to

try and pin this down as much as possible so people can tell when it

would work.

 

One of the interesting things to me is that sometimes Western

medicine will recognize that something is happening but doesn't

understand why or know what it means in a TCM context. Many years

ago Western researchers recognized that in some migraine sufferers,

the hand (or foot) will get cold on the side of the body that the

person is about to have a migraine on. They learned that if the

migraine sufferer warmed up the hand (or foot) that the migraine

could be prevented. Some sufferers learned biofeedback to try to

warm the hand (or foot) while others settled for much easier methods

like wearing a glove on that hand or soaking the hand in warm water

until it warmed up.

 

What likely is happening in most if not all of these cases where a

hand or foot gets colder prior to a migraine on that side of the

body is that Wind Cold is invading the Small Intestine (hand)

meridian and the Bladder (foot) meridian. When Pernicious Evils like

Cold, Wind, and Damp invade, the first two meridians they hit are

the UB (Urinary Bladder) and SI (Small Intestine) meridians. Any

time there is something unusual along part of the course of a

meridian - cold, heat, tingling, numbness, redness, bumps, weird

sensations, etc. - that's a sign of something wrong in the meridian.

 

The SI meridian starts on the small finger, runs along the upper

outer edge of the hand and up the arm. The Bladder meridian starts

on the face and runs over the head, down the back and down the back

of the legs to the outer edge of the foot to the small toe. (I've

highly simplified the course of both meridians in order to give a

general idea of where they're located.)

 

I started having migraines when I was a teenager. They kept getting

worse over the years. Eventually I learned to use a heating pad over

my neck and head to cut the time of the migraine down to a day. It

would be many more years before I accidently discovered that the

heating pad worked even faster if I placed it over my lover back at

waist level. To my great surprise, the migraine was gone in seconds.

 

I didn't know anything about TCM at the time. I had noted for

sometime that sometimes a spot on my back would get very painful

sometimes. I didn't have to press on it to tell it was painful. It

hurt that much. It was a point to the side of the spine about at

waist level. Sometimes it would hurt on the left but mostly on the

right.

 

I didn't know it at the time, but where I hurt sometimes was an

acupoint. Bladder 23. Moreover it's the Back Transporting Point for

the Kidneys. Back transporting points are special diagnostic points

on the Bladder meridian. If they are sore on pressure or

spontaneously sore (like in my case), this points to the Organ of

the particular point being diseased. In my case the main problem I

had was Kidney Deificiency. Since the back transporting points

affect the Organs directly, they can be used to treat Organ

imbalance. They also can be used to treat the corresponding sense

organ. For example, since the Kidneys " open into the ears " , working

Bladder 23 will help the ears. They can be used to treat chronic or

acute conditions, but they're most often used in treating chronic

conditions.

 

There may be a back transporting point that would knock one of your

migraines out in a hurry. Sometimes the most effective acupoint for

a headache is not on the head but lower down on the back. B 23 is

one of the ones that is easy to reach and work. Points on the lower

back can be massaged using the knuckles of the hand. Pressure on the

points helps me, but since I had a problem with Wind Cold in the

Bladder meridian, a heating pad over the area works better for me. B

23 along with B 47 also are good points to work to help fatigue, and

get recommended to CFIDS patients doing acupressure on themselves.

You use the knuckles of both hands, rubbing gack and forth

(horizontal) across the waist in back. B 47 also is located on the

waist in back, further out than B 23.

 

SI 3 also can be good for migraines.

 

Wearing socks to bed also can help to keep feet warm. During the

winter I have to do this. I also have to wear a ski cap to bed when

it's cold.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

> This is what I would try if I had migraines, I would take

magnesium probably

> in capsules form, open a capsule, put the ingredient under my

tongue for

> five minutes. What this will do, is dilate blood vessels in your

brain no more

> headache.

 

Interesting that you mention magnesium.

 

There are two things that can cause muscles to stay contracted and

even knot up. One of these are cold, and the other is Mg deficiency.

 

Muscles need Mg in order to relax. Both Mg deficiency and cold can

be the reason why chiropractic and DO adjustments don't last in some

individuals. The muscles contract so strongly because of cold

and/or lack of enough Mg that they pull the spine back out of

alignment.

 

Muscles overly contracted - from cold and/or Mg deficiency - most

definitely can cause headaches. When I used to get migraines, the

muscles on the back of my neck on the side that I had the headache

on would be contracted so badly that people not only could feel the

difference between the two side of the back of the neck, sometimes

they could see the difference.

 

Mg is one of the things that has helped many CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue

Immune Dysfunction Syndrome) and FMS (Fibromyalgia Syndrome)

sufferers. Muscles staying contracted is part of the reason for the

fatigue which is so much a part of both CFIDS and FMS.

 

BTW, Mg is lost through sweat. It's not enough to hurt most people

who have adequate supplies of Mg, but for someone who already is

deficient or borderline deficient, the amount lost in sweat can be

critical and can touch off a variety of problems. Yes, a person who

has been Qi Deficient for some time and has been sweating

excessively for some time is more at risk for Mg deficiency than

someone who isn't Qi Deficient and not sweating excessively. People

with Yin Deficiency also may be at risk for Mg because of the night

sweats.

 

Mg deficiency plays a part in or causes a variety of problems. It

can be implicated in one type of kidney stones, some (not all) cases

of high blood pressure, an increased tendency to forming blood

clots, spasms, tics, nervousness, some cases of insomnia, some cases

of asthma (Mg opens the breathing passages), some immune system

dysfunctions, etc. to name just a few. I highly recommend the

research of Mildred Seelig, MD, for more information on the role Mg

plays in health.

[Guest guest]

In addition to several other supplements and vitamins I take, I have 400

MG of magnesium asporotates per day. I have never heard of putting it

under my tongue. If so, what MG would be appropriate? They are 400 MG

capsules and could be opened very easily. I also take CoEnzyme Q10,

Glucosamine, MSM, L-Carnitine, B6, B12, and a multi B vitamin. Fish Oil

Capsules are soon to be replaced with Norwegian Fish Oil (liquid). My

migraines are caused by weather changes, hormone changes, stress and

sometimes low blood sugar.

 

Karen in San Diego

 

jeffAfrankel wrote:

 

> This is what I would try if I had migraines, I would take magnesium

> probably

> in capsules form, open a capsule, put the ingredient under my tongue

> for

> five minutes. What this will do, is dilate blood vessels in your

> brain no more

> headache.

>

>

> No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

> This information is for educational purposes only.

>

> Jeff Frankel

> 10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

> North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

> 239-731-2655

> http://www.msprotocols.com/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Magnesium diolates blood vessels in your brain, you can try 200 mg but it

will be bitter. This was told to me by a master herbalist, and a naturopath.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

While the visual disturbances or " aura " that precedes a classic

migraine attack is thought to be caused by constriction of blood

vessels. However, the reflex change in the body responding to this

constriction causes dilation of the blood vessels and it is this

process that causes the headache pain. The blood vessels over-

compensate and dilate which gives the headache.

 

I think is it important to be clear on this to avoid making the

situation worse by giving advice such as take " magnesium " for migraines.

 

Magnesium may be useful in preventing the initial constriction of

blood vessels which cause the " auras " that precede a migraine. But if

it is taken during an aura or migraine it will theoreticlly only make

the situation worse by causing more dilation of the blood vessels

which casue the migraine pain to begin with.

 

PS - I am not sure what any of this has to do with " Chinese Healing " .

 

Steve

 

 

On 20/07/2005, at 9:02 PM, jeffAfrankel wrote:

 

> Magnesium diolates blood vessels in your brain, you can try 200 mg

> but it

> will be bitter. This was told to me by a master herbalist, and a

> naturopath.

>

>

> No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

> This information is for educational purposes only.

>

> Jeff Frankel

> 10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

> North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

> 239-731-2655

> http://www.msprotocols.com/

>

[Guest guest]

On 19/07/2005, at 6:45 PM, jeffAfrankel wrote:

 

> This is what I would try if I had migraines, I would take

> magnesium probably

> in capsules form, open a capsule, put the ingredient under my

> tongue for

> five minutes. What this will do, is dilate blood vessels in your

> brain no more

> headache.

 

The pain of migraine headaches result from the dilation of blood

vessels, dilating them further will not help and may worsen the

condition.

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Steve if you were to go to the doctors they would probably give you a drug

called Imitrex, this diolates blood vessels. Everything I've learned is that

magnesium corrects this problem. But I don't know how your headaches are.

What other symptoms do you have, I'm curious. Usually restricted blood flow

causes headaches that's why using magnesium helps.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

 

I don't have headaches. I am a doctor of TCM. Seeing as you mentioned

the action and reasons for using magnesium to treat migraines as that

dilating blood vessels will relieve them I posted the standard

western medicine knowledge on this issue. The pain of migraine

headaches is due to dilation of the blood vessels not constriction

and therefore any substance that dilates the blood vessels will not

improve a migraine.

 

They may however play a role in preventing the occurrence of

migraines and may treat other types of headaches (migraines is an

overused term for any very painful headache which is misleading in

itself). The initial stage of visual disturbances or " aura " of

classic migraines is caused by constriction of the blood vessels,

then, when the blood vessels reflexively react (excessively) to this

constriction and dilate, the headache occurs.

 

Constricted blood flow does is not the usual cause of migraines, it

causes the aura.......the pain is caused by dilation of the blood

vessels.

 

Again, I don't know what any of this has to do with Chinese Healing.

Maybe I joined the wrong group.

 

Steve

 

On 21/07/2005, at 7:55 PM, jeffAfrankel wrote:

 

> Steve if you were to go to the doctors they would probably give you

> a drug

> called Imitrex, this diolates blood vessels. Everything I've

> learned is that

> magnesium corrects this problem. But I don't know how your

> headaches are.

> What other symptoms do you have, I'm curious. Usually restricted

> blood flow

> causes headaches that's why using magnesium helps.

>

[Guest guest]

jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

> Steve if you were to go to the doctors they would probably give you

> a drug called Imitrex, this diolates blood vessels.

 

Jeff,

Perhaps a Western trained dr. might, but this is an e list where the

subject is Chinese medicine.

 

The question here is what environments are presenting themself inside

the client's body (that might cause whatever is resulting);

Hot/ Cold

Deficiency/ Excess

Interior/ Exterior

Yin/ Yang

 

and what is the balance of the 5 Elements in relatinship to those

environments.

 

The focus is not the symptom.

The focus is the etiology.

This is determinded by an assessment of various factors; pulse,

tongue et cetera.

 

What Western med. tends to call a migraine usually happens from

an etiology of Excess Heat from Liver Fire.

If those are the conditions that exist, address them and the head

ache isn't any more.

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

Jeff, I agree with Steve on this one.

 

In some patients the " aura " of migraines is due to inappropriate

vasoconstriction in extracranial vessels. the subsequent intracrainial

vasodilation leads to the migraine. Some drugs like calcium antagonists can

prevent the initial vasoconstrictive episode so the migraine will be prevented.

The vasodilating effect of magnesium may work this way. But once the migraine

is present vasodilation has already occurred and a drug such as Imitrex (which

causes vasoconstriction not vasodilation) is required. Look up Imitrex in a PDR

if you don't believe me.

 

Diana

 

 

jeffAfrankel

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:55:41 EDT

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Improved sleep for one Cold individual

 

 

Steve if you were to go to the doctors they would probably give you a drug

called Imitrex, this diolates blood vessels. Everything I've learned is that

magnesium corrects this problem. But I don't know how your headaches are.

What other symptoms do you have, I'm curious. Usually restricted blood flow

causes headaches that's why using magnesium helps.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

> Steve if you were to go to the doctors they would probably give you

a drug

> called Imitrex, this diolates blood vessels. Everything I've

learned is that

> magnesium corrects this problem. But I don't know how your

headaches are.

> What other symptoms do you have, I'm curious. Usually restricted

blood flow

> causes headaches that's why using magnesium helps.

 

It could possibly help a tension headache. But migraines happen

because of a constriction of the blood vessels followed by

over-dilation. Isn't Imitrex to be taken to *prevent* the constriction

in the first place, not as a reliever after you've already got one?

 

sue

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Karen Peterson <kpeterha@p...>

wrote:

> My

> migraines are caused by weather changes, hormone changes, stress and

> sometimes low blood sugar.

 

Any time a headache (or any other problem) is triggered by changes in

the weather, there's an Exterior problem.

 

There are a lot of people new to TCM on the list, so I want to take a

moment to explain some of the basics. The term " Exterior " refers to

the head, neck, shoulders, arms, legs, skin, muscles, bones, and

meridians (pathways of Qi flow). " Interior " refers to the trunk of the

body, specifically the internal Organs.

 

Pernicious Evils (Wind, Cold, Damp, Heat, and Dryness) can invade the

body from the environment. What stops Pernicious Evils from invading

is the strength of the Protective Qi that circulates at the surface of

the body. Sometimes the change in the weather is so extreme and/or

rapid that it can overwhelm even fairly strong Protective Qi. Or, the

person's Protective Qi is temporarily weak because of poor diet, not

resting enough, etc., and Evils which normally wouldn't be strong

enough to invade are able to invade the body.

 

Some people are chronically Protective Qi Deficient. They may also

have Blood Deficiency and/or Kidney Yang Deficiency which further

lowers their resistence to Evils in the environment.

 

One indication that a headache has a strong Exterior component is that

the headache will start in the back of the head. The worst pain may

move to other parts of the head and may even be worse in another part

of the head than it ever was in the back, but the headache starts in

the back of the head and to a certain extent, there will continue to

be some kind of a problem in the back of the head.

 

When Cold, Dampness, and/or Wind invades from the environment, the

first two meridians hit are the Bladder and Small Intestine meridians.

The Bladder meridian runs down the back of the head and neck. When a

headache is due to an invasion of the Bladder meridian, it will start

out in the back of the head.

 

In addition there may be cold sensations (or numbness, tingling, etc.)

along the outer, upper edge of the foot (Bladder meridian) or the

outer, upper edge of the hand (Small Intestine meridian).

 

There are herbs and acupoints which will release/ get rid of Cold,

Wind, and Dampness in the Exterior. In addition, there are herbs to

warm the Exterior. (Like raw ginger. Dry ginger warms the Interior.)

 

Some Westerners may find it easier to think of Cold, Damp, Wind

invading the Exterior as the effects that certain weather conditions

have on the body and certain physiological processes. The Chinese

concept of the Wind includes not only the wind but changes in

barometric pressure and ion concentrations. Western reserachers have

discovered that when barometric pressure falls, this triggers a slight

swelling of tissues in some individuals who are susceptible to this.

In addition, cold can cause muscles to contract excessively, causing

pain. A number of other things can happen as well. The slight swelling

of tissues and/or the over-contraction of muscles can interfere with

blood blow to an area as well as trigger pain. From a TCM standpoint,

Cold can trigger Qi Stagnation and/or Blood Stasis. Two of the

possible symptoms of Qi Stagnation and Blood Stasis is pain. Wind can

cause a variety of problems.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " hyldemoer " <hyldemoer>

wrote:

> jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

> > Steve if you were to go to the doctors they would probably give

you

> > a drug called Imitrex, this diolates blood vessels.

>

> Jeff,

> Perhaps a Western trained dr. might, but this is an e list where

the

> subject is Chinese medicine.

>

> The question here is what environments are presenting themself

inside

> the client's body (that might cause whatever is resulting);

> Hot/ Cold

> Deficiency/ Excess

> Interior/ Exterior

> Yin/ Yang

>

> and what is the balance of the 5 Elements in relatinship to those

> environments.

>

> The focus is not the symptom.

> The focus is the etiology.

> This is determinded by an assessment of various factors; pulse,

> tongue et cetera.

>

> What Western med. tends to call a migraine usually happens from

> an etiology of Excess Heat from Liver Fire.

> If those are the conditions that exist, address them and the head

> ache isn't any more.

 

Like so many Western-defined medical conditions, not all migraines

are the same. What I used to suffer fit the criteria for migraine -

including the photosensitivity, the preceding aura, etc. But yet

there was not the symptoms and signs of Excess Heat from Liver Fire.

 

To a certain extent, Western researchers do recognize differencea

between cases of migraines, but they lack a framework like TCM which

would allow them to understand and thus properly treat these

differences. For example, Western researchers have known for years

that some migraine sufferers experience a cold hand or foot prior to

the development of a migraine on that side of the body. They

discovered that warming the hand or foot up would prevent the

migraine in these particular sufferers. They knew that this

treatment wouldn't prevent a migraine in sufferers who did not

experience the colder hand or foot. And even though they knew that

the sufferers who experienced the cold hand or foot could prevent a

migraine by warming up the hand or foot, that was as far as it went

for them. They didn't know how to stop a migraine that already had

started. TCM has ways of stopping one which has started. Not only

that but reducing the tendency to these kinds of headaches.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/21/2005 10:50:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

decodoc writes:

 

Jeff, I agree with Steve on this one.

 

In some patients the " aura " of migraines is due to inappropriate

vasoconstriction in extracranial vessels. the subsequent intracrainial

vasodilation

leads to the migraine. Some drugs like calcium antagonists can prevent the

initial vasoconstrictive episode so the migraine will be prevented. The

vasodilating effect of magnesium may work this way. But once the migraine is

present

vasodilation has already occurred and a drug such as Imitrex (which causes

vasoconstriction not vasodilation) is required. Look up Imitrex in a PDR if

you don't believe me.

 

 

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Let's face it, ask her TCM Dr. magnesium is the mineral that we'll stop your

headache.

 

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

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