Basic causes of illness-ideas of Dr. Holmes

[Guest guest]

The emotional trigger thing makes a lot of sense to me. I cannot think of

anything in particular that has made me harbor enough negative energy to do

damage to myself so long ago , but I believe instinctively, that emotional

trauma was the cause.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dr. Holmes recently said that illness is mostly " caused by emotions

gone wrong over a period of time " , and I think he might be right.

Quite

a number of years ago, I do recall reading a doctor's statement that

the original TCM wasn't focused on herbs & acup. like it is today. A

long time ago, before TCM was watered down to herbs & acupuncture -

apparently to get the attention of westerners - TCM was mainly

psychological in its approach to people's health problems. The

methods

used were dream analysis and some sort of playacting and drama

approach

that I don't know the details of.

 

On the other hand, it is hard to say which came first - the chicken

or

the egg. I have heard a practitioner of orthomolecular medicine

(lge.

doses of vitamins) say that it don't matter whether the cause of your

symptoms is A, or B, or C, or D, i.e, emotional, physical, or lost in

the mists of time!

 

Anyway, thank you for reading what I have to say. Personally, I

don't

like to ignore psychology altogether, at least not for myself. It's

a

personal choice as to what you feel comfortable with, but then were

we

meant to just be comfortable all the time. Grist for the mill!

[Guest guest]

Mrs. Barley:

 

You've raised some issues that go to the heart of

Chinese medicine. Back at the begining, medicine and

shamanism were one and the same.

 

At some point, the king decided to separate medicine

from shamans, and the quarrel has been fought ever

since, up to the present.

 

Today most TCM practitioners are trying to gain

mainstream acceptance, and to be viewed in the same

" scientific " light as western medicine.

 

Few realize that western medicine has stopped being

scientific, especially in the US, and instead has

become a highly profitable industry that benefits the

drug companies and the AMA. Real science doesn't

happen in western medicine, just witness the tobacco

companies who bought their own 'science " to keep the

people fooled.

 

As most TCM practitioners wish to be taken seriously

as scientists, they devoutly wish to disavow any

connection to Chinese medicine's connection to

shamanism, magic and spirituality. Such talk turns off

the average educated and affluent westerner.

 

Even so, Chinese medicine is based on classic texts

written millenia ago, and these texts discuss Qi, a

substance which the west regards as magical, because

western science hasn't had the temerity to fully

explore Qi.

 

Some do explore these areas, certain acupoints and

herbal medicines work quite well for psychological

applications. This side of TCM isn't quite as well

known as the side that deals with arthritis and other

patently physical problems. People are still in the

mode of thinking in terms of Western medicine.

 

One of these days there may emerge a truly holistic

form of medicine that recognizes the psychological and

spiritual, but we are far off, obstacles remain to

understanding. People want to see and analyze things

in a " scientific' manner, and the psychological is too

etheric for most to grasp. Science can't come to terms

with spirit.

 

Regards, Jack

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Very well stated, Jack!

 

P.S. In school one of my professors from China indicated one chapter of a famous

TCM classic has never been translated into English (or perhaps any other

language). Reason: It involves the chants used in making herbal remedies to

increase their efficacy. I told him some of us Westerners are not so daft...we

would love to learn the chants as those of us in touch with ancient indigenous

healing methods truly appreciate sound (vibration) as the source of energy.

TH

 

Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote:

Mrs. Barley:

 

You've raised some issues that go to the heart of

Chinese medicine. Back at the begining, medicine and

shamanism were one and the same.

 

At some point, the king decided to separate medicine

from shamans, and the quarrel has been fought ever

since, up to the present.

 

Today most TCM practitioners are trying to gain

mainstream acceptance, and to be viewed in the same

" scientific " light as western medicine.

 

Few realize that western medicine has stopped being

scientific, especially in the US, and instead has

become a highly profitable industry that benefits the

drug companies and the AMA. Real science doesn't

happen in western medicine, just witness the tobacco

companies who bought their own 'science " to keep the

people fooled.

 

As most TCM practitioners wish to be taken seriously

as scientists, they devoutly wish to disavow any

connection to Chinese medicine's connection to

shamanism, magic and spirituality. Such talk turns off

the average educated and affluent westerner.

 

Even so, Chinese medicine is based on classic texts

written millenia ago, and these texts discuss Qi, a

substance which the west regards as magical, because

western science hasn't had the temerity to fully

explore Qi.

 

Some do explore these areas, certain acupoints and

herbal medicines work quite well for psychological

applications. This side of TCM isn't quite as well

known as the side that deals with arthritis and other

patently physical problems. People are still in the

mode of thinking in terms of Western medicine.

 

One of these days there may emerge a truly holistic

form of medicine that recognizes the psychological and

spiritual, but we are far off, obstacles remain to

understanding. People want to see and analyze things

in a " scientific' manner, and the psychological is too

etheric for most to grasp. Science can't come to terms

with spirit.

 

Regards, Jack

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/2/2005 11:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mojavecowboy writes:

 

One of these days there may emerge a truly holistic

form of medicine that recognizes the psychological and

spiritual, but we are far off, obstacles remain to

understanding. People want to see and analyze things

in a " scientific' manner, and the psychological is too

etheric for most to grasp. Science can't come to terms

with spirit

 

 

Hi Jack, Your statement is so true, but I think that we are not so far as

some may think. There is all this renewed interest in the " old ways "

traditional healing in all of its manifestations is slowly coming into its

own,again.

Even the spiritual aspects of it, faith healers abound,there was a big news

story out a few years ago that touted a scientific study proving the power

and effectiveness of prayer.

There is a long history of " mystical " healing in other cultures that

thousands are seeking to benfit from, just as we do here on this list, whether

we

admit it or not, Teh day is coming and I don't believe it is too far off when

Spiritual healing will be almost as mainstream as allopathic medicine is

today.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Mrs.Barney,

TCM as we know it now is a recent blend by several chinese

doctors to 'standardise' their traditional medicine at the behest

of the communist regime. Up to the middle of the last century

there where many separate family styles with a lot of 'secrets'

that they didn't like to reveal to outsiders. There where also

the Taoist cults that used yin-yang, five elements, and a lot of

more 'esoteric' element, including charms and rituals to cure you

of physical, emotional and spiritual diseases.

Most of that was cut off what we have now as TCM, they wanted

something sure, practical, and 'down to earth', also with a view

to stand up to western medicine.

Marcos

 

 

--- " Mrs. Barley " <chosenbarley escreveu:

> Dr. Holmes recently said that illness is mostly " caused by

> emotions

> gone wrong over a period of time " , and I think he might be

> right.

> Quite

> a number of years ago, I do recall reading a doctor's statement

> that

> the original TCM wasn't focused on herbs & acup. like it is

> today. A

> long time ago, before TCM was watered down to herbs &

> acupuncture -

> apparently to get the attention of westerners - TCM was mainly

> psychological in its approach to people's health problems. The

> methods

> used were dream analysis and some sort of playacting and drama

> approach

> that I don't know the details of.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

a large portion missing from conventional TCM is the one dealing with

demon invasion

 

the healer deals with qi of the patient, this more actively, and the

patient deals with the qi of the healer,

this more passively

 

if the roles were reversed, and the qi of the healer, more pristine and

less chaotic, is actively sought after

by a supposed patient, who is actually a Qi Vampire

 

the healer is all professionalism and a will to help. and has not the

least clue of the vulnerability in the

situation

 

the rest is a very rapid downhill course

 

many healers will tell you sometimes they " feel drained, exhausted,

after a session "

 

this is not just a usual exhaustion, this is a flat out qi depletion of

a very purposeful sort

 

many times the texts say such a symptom comples will seem like a demon

invasion, or " talks to ghosts "

or something of that kind

 

it is moot if this is an illness, or the real thing

 

holmes

www.acu-free.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

marcos wrote:

 

>Hi Mrs.Barney,

>TCM as we know it now is a recent blend by several chinese

>doctors to 'standardise' their traditional medicine at the behest

>of the communist regime. Up to the middle of the last century

>there where many separate family styles with a lot of 'secrets'

>that they didn't like to reveal to outsiders. There where also

>the Taoist cults that used yin-yang, five elements, and a lot of

>more 'esoteric' element, including charms and rituals to cure you

>of physical, emotional and spiritual diseases.

> Most of that was cut off what we have now as TCM, they wanted

>something sure, practical, and 'down to earth', also with a view

>to stand up to western medicine.

>Marcos

>

>

>--- " Mrs. Barley " <chosenbarley escreveu:

>

>

>>Dr. Holmes recently said that illness is mostly " caused by

>>emotions

>>gone wrong over a period of time " , and I think he might be

>>right.

>>Quite

>>a number of years ago, I do recall reading a doctor's statement

>>that

>>the original TCM wasn't focused on herbs & acup. like it is

>>today. A

>>long time ago, before TCM was watered down to herbs &

>>acupuncture -

>>apparently to get the attention of westerners - TCM was mainly

>>psychological in its approach to people's health problems. The

>>methods

>>used were dream analysis and some sort of playacting and drama

>>approach

>>that I don't know the details of.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , drholmes <drholmes@c...>

wrote:

> a large portion missing from conventional TCM is the one dealing

with

> demon invasion

 

I hope you will post more on this. One concept I'd like to learn

more about is that of the hungry ghost.

 

> many healers will tell you sometimes they " feel drained,

exhausted,

> after a session "

>

> this is not just a usual exhaustion, this is a flat out qi

depletion of

> a very purposeful sort

 

Some readers are going to be made uncomfortable by this discussion,

but yet it happens. At some point in their lives, most readers have

encountered someone who makes them feel drained of energy. For

example, if one has ever been around someone who is abusive and

oppressive for any length of time, one starts to feel drained of

energy. People may disagree on the mechanism - for example is it

primarily psycholgical or something more esoteric - but there's no

denying it happens. It needs to be discussed because healers

encounter it a lot. Sometimes it may not even be conscious on the

client's part.

 

Emotions - especially very powerful and sudden emotions - affect Qi.

We've all heard of people who wet their pants when they're

frightened. Fear can cause Qi to suddenly descend. Especially in

children. (In adults it sometimes can cause a sudden rise.) The

Kidneys are the Organ which is most vulnerable to fear.

 

Grief depletes Qi. Have you ever noticed the way people who are

truly grieving come across as drained of energy and withdrawing?

They are. Grief depletes Qi. Once in a while you'll run across

people who become more and more energized the more people around

them grieve and the more fearful they become. They will even

manipulate more grief and fear in others, and come across as

becoming more and more energized and alive the more the people

around them are grieving and in fear.