shen disturbances and major depression

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much to everyone for all the interesting information

posted here. I'm wondering if I could ask a question about shen

disturbances, especially those manifesting as major depression,

dissociation, and anxiety disorders. I know the spirit resides in

the blood, and when there is a disturbance, it lifts off. Does

anyone know more about this, or have any information on the

traditional treatments with acupuncture and herbs? Some TCM

practitioners also seem to approach the treatment of shen

disturbances almost as soul retrieval, in a manner similar to Native

American shamans, so any info along those lines would also be

greatly appreciated.

 

I'm not finding too much about shen disturbances (also referred

to

various places as heart disturbances or soul disturbance) and I'm

wondering if anyone might have more information (the more detailed

the better!) that could be posted to the list as it may be of

interest to others, and also any ideas for internet references or

links where I could read more. I know treatment will be based very

much on the individual, but are there any specific herbs known to be

particularly helpful in long-term, treatment-resistant cases?

 

Thanks so much to all!

 

Linda

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

We use a five phase approach of greater mind-body-soul interaction

and awareness within themselves and with their greater environment.

 

keats65 wrote:

> Some TCM practitioners also seem to approach the treatment of shen

> disturbances almost as soul retrieval, in a manner similar to Native

> American shamans, so any info along those lines would also be

> greatly appreciated.

>

Richer optimistic contacts can depression proof people, with

examples from terrible POW camps and the like. This links to

self-explanatory style and appreciating oneself and the world,

most often in Taoist (and also buddhist) ways. The same

process can handle asthma and some allergies.

 

Googling on " metaskills " will provide some clues.

 

Another way to put it is soul extension, deeper inward,

and also outward into the living world in deepened bonds.

In a yin yang cycle or growth spiral.

 

bye,

vic

 

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[Guest guest]

Linda:

 

We have recently had a discussion about this on the

list that I moderate, TCM and Mental Illness.

 

Long gu (Dragon bone) and Niu Huang may be useful

here, there are a number of acupoints that can be used

as well. If i can find the time I'll try to post all

this information.

 

I looked into the soul retrieval issue after reading

about vampirization, by Edmund Meadows, who publishes

a remote viewing website called Viking Remote Viewing.

 

Practitioners on the list cautioned against soul

retrieval, saying this can invite further damage. They

suggested there may be ways to help the soul without

invading the soul's space.

 

Meadows has a line about how removing someone's mental

illness is not doing them any good (??) He does say

that TCM, especialy acupoints that stimulate the

pineal gland, are one effective way of helping.

 

I'm not clear at all about how to remove the vampire's

hold over someone.

 

On another level, a Russian scientist suggests that

mental illness, especially schizophrenia, is induced

by sexual molestation. This fits in with the idea of

vampirization, as molesters are usually those who have

been molested, and are driven to molest others.

 

Adolph Zeilinsky, the Russian scientist, has a therapy

for dealing with mental illnesses but has not yet made

the specifics of this public.

 

TCM does have a number of ways of dealing with shen

disturbances, and depression. Soul retrieval is

another, but it may be difficult to find anyone

capable of doing this.

 

Best wishes, Jack

--- keats65 <keats65 wrote:

 

>

>

> Thanks so much to everyone for all the interesting

> information

> posted here. I'm wondering if I could ask a

> question about shen

> disturbances, especially those manifesting as major

> depression,

> dissociation, and anxiety disorders. I know the

> spirit resides in

> the blood, and when there is a disturbance, it lifts

> off. Does

> anyone know more about this, or have any information

> on the

> traditional treatments with acupuncture and herbs?

> Some TCM

> practitioners also seem to approach the treatment of

> shen

> disturbances almost as soul retrieval, in a manner

> similar to Native

> American shamans, so any info along those lines

> would also be

> greatly appreciated.

>

> I'm not finding too much about shen disturbances

> (also referred

> to

> various places as heart disturbances or soul

> disturbance) and I'm

> wondering if anyone might have more information (the

> more detailed

> the better!) that could be posted to the list as it

> may be of

> interest to others, and also any ideas for internet

> references or

> links where I could read more. I know treatment

> will be based very

> much on the individual, but are there any specific

> herbs known to be

> particularly helpful in long-term,

> treatment-resistant cases?

>

> Thanks so much to all!

>

> Linda

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

The all-new My - Get yours free!

 

[Guest guest]

These ways of dealing with shen disorders - (spirits,

ghosts,vampires, etc.)are not familiar to me and seem speculative -

to say the least.

I would think that ordinary causes of shen disorders are suffecient

to keep the practioner busy trying to analyze the case.

My observation is that generalised stress disorders cause most

disturbances of the shen. Some examples are Autonomic imbalances -

when the normal balance between the sympathetic and parasympathetic

system is lost the heart often suffers and becomes unstable - with

palpatations, etc. Related issues are excess cortisol and or excess

thyroid - the opposite issue is adrenal exhaustion and hypothyroidism

all of these problems can imbalance heart rythym. Liver issues such

as 'rising evil liver wind' can cause heart neurosis. Poor sugar

metabolism as in Syndrome X type problems disturb normal heart

rythyms. Stomach weakness can cause stagnation of water and gas and

cause upward pressure on the heart. There are many ordinary events

that cause the heart to lose it's electrical rythym. It is not

necessary to refer to spirit and vampire involvement to understand

these cases.

Many modern thinkers are developing theories about heart disrythmias.

In general I beleieve that these problems are a sympathetic nervous

system problem and are related to many serious problems like chronic

insomnia. One theorist states that if a person with anxiety and

hypervigilance as well as other general stress symptoms can get a

good night's sleep the symptoms will gradually lessen. I agree with

this. The nervous system and the hyperreactive states must be calmed -

before the heart can relax and start functioning according to its

natural rythym. Accupuncture is very helpful for the rebalancing of

the Autonomic system. If not corrected this problem will become worse

as we age.

I recently read about a new therapy that is being developed to

correct these minute rythym fluctuations in heart beat.

The poster mentions sexual abuse as a cause of shen disturbance - any

major trauma can set into motion the process that ends up as shen

disorder. There is nothing special or determanitive about sexuality

except that it has the potenial for creating powerful reactions.

Truma in and of itself causes stress if this stress becomes chronic

then we have the picture of further and further imbalance in the yin

and yang - this will inevatability disturb heart rythym. Solve the

chronic stress issues and the shen will also calm. Excess Adrenaline

is very important here! And from that we can see the kidney

involvment - all of this is classic natural medicine and needs no

further searching for the solutions.

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jack Sweeney

<mojavecowboy> wrote:

>

> Linda:

>

> We have recently had a discussion about this on the

> list that I moderate, TCM and Mental Illness.

>

> Long gu (Dragon bone) and Niu Huang may be useful

> here, there are a number of acupoints that can be used

> as well. If i can find the time I'll try to post all

> this information.

>

> I looked into the soul retrieval issue after reading

> about vampirization, by Edmund Meadows, who publishes

> a remote viewing website called Viking Remote Viewing.

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , vinod3x3 wrote:

>

> These ways of dealing with shen disorders - (spirits,

> ghosts,vampires, etc.)are not familiar to me and seem speculative -

> to say the least.

> I would think that ordinary causes of shen disorders are suffecient

> to keep the practioner busy trying to analyze the case.

> My observation is that generalised stress disorders cause most

> disturbances of the shen. Some examples are Autonomic imbalances -

> when the normal balance between the sympathetic and parasympathetic

> system is lost the heart often suffers and becomes unstable - with

> palpatations, etc. Related issues are excess cortisol and or excess

> thyroid - the opposite issue is adrenal exhaustion and hypothyroidism

> all of these problems can imbalance heart rythym. Liver issues such

> as 'rising evil liver wind' can cause heart neurosis. Poor sugar

> metabolism as in Syndrome X type problems disturb normal heart

> rythyms. Stomach weakness can cause stagnation of water and gas and

> cause upward pressure on the heart. There are many ordinary events

> that cause the heart to lose it's electrical rythym. It is not

> necessary to refer to spirit and vampire involvement to understand

> these cases.

> Many modern thinkers are developing theories about heart disrythmias.

> In general I beleieve that these problems are a sympathetic nervous

> system problem and are related to many serious problems like chronic

> insomnia. One theorist states that if a person with anxiety and

> hypervigilance as well as other general stress symptoms can get a

> good night's sleep the symptoms will gradually lessen. I agree with

> this. The nervous system and the hyperreactive states must be calmed -

> before the heart can relax and start functioning according to its

> natural rythym. Accupuncture is very helpful for the rebalancing of

> the Autonomic system. If not corrected this problem will become worse

> as we age.

> I recently read about a new therapy that is being developed to

> correct these minute rythym fluctuations in heart beat.

> The poster mentions sexual abuse as a cause of shen disturbance - any

> major trauma can set into motion the process that ends up as shen

> disorder. There is nothing special or determanitive about sexuality

> except that it has the potenial for creating powerful reactions.

> Truma in and of itself causes stress if this stress becomes chronic

> then we have the picture of further and further imbalance in the yin

> and yang - this will inevatability disturb heart rythym. Solve the

> chronic stress issues and the shen will also calm. Excess Adrenaline

> is very important here! And from that we can see the kidney

> involvment - all of this is classic natural medicine and needs no

> further searching for the solutions.

 

That was interesting - thanks. My bf has depression, sometimes deep,

and his sleep is restless. I can see where lack of good sleep could

certainly trigger physiological imbalances. He also had rheumatic

fever as a child, which I believe could have traumatized his Heart energy.

 

sue