Turmeric versus curcumin

[Guest guest]

Hi Melly,

Turmeric contains roughly 4% curcumin. That means for every 4mg curcumin, you need to take 100mg Turmeric (1:25 ratio). Therefore, to get 3 gram (3000mg), you will have to take 75 gm (75000mg) of turmeric. If you want to ingest relatively large quantities of curcumin, then taking it via turmeric is not the way to go. See a discussion on this.

Regards,

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

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Melly Bag

oleander soup

Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:40 AM

Re:Tony's Protocol for the budget conscious.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Marc [and Melly],

 

Thank you for this information on turmeric versus curcumin and for

calling attention to website discussing this. I wonder if you would be

willing to explore this matter a bit further.

 

The capsules of curcumin are 500mg and the recommended dosage is 1-4

capsules daily, which means 500-2000mg.

 

I have been consuming two tablespoons of turmeric powder daily for

some time. How much curcumin would this be? In short, how many mg of

Turmeric are in one level tablespoon?

 

Duane

 

*****

 

oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD "

<marcswan wrote:

>

> Hi Melly,

> Turmeric contains roughly 4% curcumin. That means for every 4mg

curcumin, you need to take 100mg Turmeric (1:25 ratio). Therefore, to

get 3 gram (3000mg), you will have to take 75 gm (75000mg) of

turmeric. If you want to ingest relatively large quantities of

curcumin, then taking it via turmeric is not the way to go. See

a discussion on this.

> Regards,

> Marc Swanepoel

>

> -

> Melly Bag

> oleander soup

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:40 AM

> Re:Tony's Protocol for the budget conscious.

>

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Duane,

One tablespoon is roughly 15gm (15,000mgm) - see conversion rates. 4% of this is 0.6gm (600mgm) or 20% more than 1 of your 500mgm capsules. Two level tablespoons of Turmeric will thus yield slightly more than 2 x 500mgm capsules of Curcumin (2.4 capsules, to be exact).

Regards,

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Duane Christensen

oleander soup

Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:12 PM

Re: Turmeric versus curcumin

 

 

Hi Marc [and Melly],Thank you for this information on turmeric versus curcumin and forcalling attention to website discussing this. I wonder if you would bewilling to explore this matter a bit further.The capsules of curcumin are 500mg and the recommended dosage is 1-4capsules daily, which means 500-2000mg. I have been consuming two tablespoons of turmeric powder daily forsome time. How much curcumin would this be? In short, how many mg ofTurmeric are in one level tablespoon? Duane *****oleander soup , "Marc Swanepoel - PhD"<marcswan wrote:>> Hi Melly,> Turmeric contains roughly 4% curcumin. That means for every 4mgcurcumin, you need to take 100mg Turmeric (1:25 ratio). Therefore, toget 3 gram (3000mg), you will have to take 75 gm (75000mg) ofturmeric. If you want to ingest relatively large quantities ofcurcumin, then taking it via turmeric is not the way to go. Seehttp://www.turmeric-curcumin.com/ for a discussion on this.> Regards,> Marc Swanepoel> > - > Melly Bag > oleander soup > Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:40 AM> Re:Tony's Protocol for the budget conscious.> > > .>

[Guest guest]

Gee Mark S. Thanks for that valuable information. That was good to know. I

should then go for the curcumall or other supplements.

 

Melly

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

 

Thank you very much for this quick response. I purchased a bulk supply

of Turmeric powder some months ago. I don't remember exactly how much

I paid, but it was reasonable -- and the supply on hand will last me

more than a year. It is a lot less expensive than than the capsules at

more than $20 for a two-month supply.

 

Here's a paragraph taken from a posting on my own that

pertains to turmeric:

 

<< The researchers believe the combination of cruciferous vegetables

and curcumin could be an effective therapy not only to prevent

prostate cancer, but to inhibit the spread of established prostate

cancers. Best of all, this combination-cauliflower spiced with

turmeric-is absolutely delicious! For protection against prostate

cancer, cut cauliflower florets in quarters and let sit for 5-10

minutes; this allows time for the production of phenethyl

isothiocyanates, which form when cruciferous vegetables are cut, but

stops when they are heated. Then sprinkle with turmeric, and healthy

sauté on medium heat in a few tablespoons of vegetable or chicken

broth for 5 minutes. Remove from the heat and top with olive oil, sea

salt and pepper to taste. >>

 

This looks like a good way to add still more curcumin to the diet for

a person like myself who is fighting prostate cancer.

 

Duane Christensen

 

*****

 

oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD "

<marcswan wrote:

>

> Hi Duane,

> One tablespoon is roughly 15gm (15,000mgm) - see for conversion

rates. 4% of this is 0.6gm (600mgm) or 20% more than 1 of your 500mgm

capsules. Two level tablespoons of Turmeric will thus yield slightly

more than 2 x 500mgm capsules of Curcumin (2.4 capsules, to be exact).

> Regards,

> Marc Swanepoel

>

> -

> Duane Christensen

> oleander soup

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:12 PM

> Re: Turmeric versus curcumin

>

>

> Hi Marc [and Melly],

>

> Thank you for this information on turmeric versus curcumin and for

> calling attention to website discussing this. I wonder if you would be

> willing to explore this matter a bit further.

>

> The capsules of curcumin are 500mg and the recommended dosage is 1-4

> capsules daily, which means 500-2000mg.

>

> I have been consuming two tablespoons of turmeric powder daily for

> some time. How much curcumin would this be? In short, how many mg of

> Turmeric are in one level tablespoon?

>

> Duane

>

> *****

>

> oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD "

> <marcswan@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Melly,

> > Turmeric contains roughly 4% curcumin. That means for every 4mg

> curcumin, you need to take 100mg Turmeric (1:25 ratio). Therefore, to

> get 3 gram (3000mg), you will have to take 75 gm (75000mg) of

> turmeric. If you want to ingest relatively large quantities of

> curcumin, then taking it via turmeric is not the way to go. See

> a discussion on this.

> > Regards,

> > Marc Swanepoel

> >

> > -

> > Melly Bag

> > oleander soup

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:40 AM

> > Re:Tony's Protocol for the budget conscious.

> >

> >

> > .

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc,

 

Thank you very much for this quick response. I purchased a bulk supply

of Turmeric powder some months ago. I don't remember exactly how much

I paid, but it was reasonable -- and the supply on hand will last me

more than a year. It is less expensive than the 500mg capsules at

more than $20 for a two-month supply.

 

Here's a paragraph taken from a posting on my own that

pertains to turmeric:

 

<< The researchers believe the combination of cruciferous vegetables

and curcumin could be an effective therapy not only to prevent

prostate cancer, but to inhibit the spread of established prostate

cancers. Best of all, this combination-cauliflower spiced with

turmeric-is absolutely delicious! For protection against prostate

cancer, cut cauliflower florets in quarters and let sit for 5-10

minutes; this allows time for the production of phenethyl

isothiocyanates, which form when cruciferous vegetables are cut, but

stops when they are heated. Then sprinkle with turmeric, and healthy

sauté on medium heat in a few tablespoons of vegetable or chicken

broth for 5 minutes. Remove from the heat and top with olive oil, sea

salt and pepper to taste. >>

 

This looks like a good way to add still more curcumin to the diet for

a person like myself who is fighting prostate cancer.

 

Duane Christensen

 

*****

 

oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD "

<marcswan wrote:

>

> Hi Duane,

> One tablespoon is roughly 15gm (15,000mgm) - see for conversion

rates. 4% of this is 0.6gm (600mgm) or 20% more than 1 of your 500mgm

capsules. Two level tablespoons of Turmeric will thus yield slightly

more than 2 x 500mgm capsules of Curcumin (2.4 capsules, to be exact).

> Regards,

> Marc Swanepoel

>

[Guest guest]

I have read that black pepper greatly inhances the effectiveness of turmeric.

 

 

Black pepper. One of the chemicals in ordinary black pepper, piperine,

seems to improve the bioavailability of turmeric. In fact, researchers

at St. John's Medical College in Bangalore, India, found that combining

turmeric with black pepper may significantly increase the body's

ability to use it.

 

The combination of black pepper and turmeric from your friendly spice

rack is perfect for people who are on a budget--and these days, I'd say

that's just about everyone. Go to an Indian grocery store and choose

the yellowest variety of turmeric you can find. I think you can safely

guess that the yellower it is, the more curcumin it contains. A

one-pound bag should cost between $3 and $5, a lot cheaper than what

you'll pay for brand-name versions of turmeric, which usually have a

hefty price of $3 for just a few grams. While you're there, get an

ounce of fresh black peppercorns. Grind the peppercorns into powder and

mix it with the turmeric. You've just created a 10-month supply of

anti-inflammatory medicine for around $5.

[Guest guest]

Jack,

 

Like so many things on the internet, you need to read critically what

individuals say about the products they are promoting, for whatever

reasons. Here's what the company says that produces curcumin.

 

" The use of the chemical piperine from pepper, trade-named Bioperine,

was a poor attempt at increasing bioavailability at the expense of the

epithelial lining of the stomach, small intestine and bowels... If you

want to use capsules, make certain they DO NOT contain a pepper

extract that is advertised to improve bioavailability. "

 

Duane Christensen

 

 

 

oleander soup , JdB <jackdaw123 wrote:

>

> I have read that black pepper greatly inhances the

effectiveness of turmeric

>

>

> Black pepper. One of the chemicals in ordinary black pepper, piperine,

> seems to improve the bioavailability of turmeric. In fact, researchers

> at St. John's Medical College in Bangalore, India, found that combining

> turmeric with black pepper may significantly increase the body's

> ability to use it.

>

>

>

> The combination of black pepper and turmeric from your friendly spice

> rack is perfect for people who are on a budget--and these days, I'd say

> that's just about everyone. Go to an Indian grocery store and choose

> the yellowest variety of turmeric you can find. I think you can safely

> guess that the yellower it is, the more curcumin it contains. A

> one-pound bag should cost between $3 and $5, a lot cheaper than what

> you'll pay for brand-name versions of turmeric, which usually have a

> hefty price of $3 for just a few grams. While you're there, get an

> ounce of fresh black peppercorns. Grind the peppercorns into powder and

> mix it with the turmeric. You've just created a 10-month supply of

> anti-inflammatory medicine for around $5.

>

[Guest guest]

I did a google found a remarkable lack of posted problems with Bioperine. Actually none. If there were problems caused by Bioperine I would expect to something. - Steve-oleander soup <oleander soup >oleander soup <oleander soup >Sun Jan 18 11:23:45 2009 Re: Turmeric versus curcuminJack,Like so many things on the internet, you need to read critically whatindividuals say about the products they are promoting, for whateverreasons. Here's what the company says that produces curcumin: use of the chemical piperine from pepper, trade-named Bioperine,was a poor attempt at increasing bioavailability at the expense of theepithelial lining of the stomach, small intestine and bowels... If youwant to use capsules, make certain they DO NOT contain a pepperextract that is advertised to improve bioavailability. " Duane Christensenoleander soup <oleander soup%40> , JdB <jackdaw123 wrote:>> I have read in the following that black pepper greatly inhances theeffectiveness of turmeric>> Black pepper. One of the chemicals in ordinary black pepper, piperine,> seems to improve the bioavailability of turmeric. In fact, researchers> at St. John's Medical College in Bangalore, India, found that combining> turmeric with black pepper may significantly increase the body's> ability to use it.>>>> The combination of black pepper and turmeric from your friendly spice> rack is perfect for people who are on a budget--and these days, I'd say> that's just about everyone. Go to an Indian grocery store and choose> the yellowest variety of turmeric you can find. I think you can safely> guess that the yellower it is, the more curcumin it contains. A> one-pound bag should cost between $3 and $5, a lot cheaper than what> you'll pay for brand-name versions of turmeric, which usually have a> hefty price of $3 for just a few grams. While you're there, get an> ounce of fresh black peppercorns. Grind the peppercorns into powder and> mix it with the turmeric. You've just created a 10-month supply of> anti-inflammatory medicine for around $5.>

[Guest guest]

I see a lot of messages about Turmeric and Curcumin. I was teking the latter but dropped it because as an antioxidant it should not be in the Budwig protocol.........or should it be an exception?

 

Rupert--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Duane Christensen <duanechristensen wrote:

Duane Christensen <duanechristensen Re: Turmeric versus curcuminoleander soup Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:35 PM

 

 

Hi Marc,Thank you very much for this quick response. I purchased a bulk supplyof Turmeric powder some months ago. I don't remember exactly how muchI paid, but it was reasonable -- and the supply on hand will last memore than a year. It is a lot less expensive than than the capsules atmore than $20 for a two-month supply.Here's a paragraph taken from a posting on my own thatpertains to turmeric:<< The researchers believe the combination of cruciferous vegetablesand curcumin could be an effective therapy not only to preventprostate cancer, but to inhibit the spread of established prostatecancers. Best of all, this combination- cauliflower spiced withturmeric-is absolutely delicious! For protection against prostatecancer, cut cauliflower florets in quarters and let sit for 5-10minutes; this allows time for the production of phenethylisothiocyanates, which form

when cruciferous vegetables are cut, butstops when they are heated. Then sprinkle with turmeric, and healthysauté on medium heat in a few tablespoons of vegetable or chickenbroth for 5 minutes. Remove from the heat and top with olive oil, seasalt and pepper to taste. >>This looks like a good way to add still more curcumin to the diet fora person like myself who is fighting prostate cancer.Duane Christensen*****oleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD"<marcswan@.. .> wrote:>> Hi Duane,> One tablespoon is roughly 15gm (15,000mgm) - seehttp://www.convertu nits.com/ from/tablespoons /to/gram for conversionrates. 4% of this is 0.6gm (600mgm) or 20% more than 1 of your

500mgmcapsules. Two level tablespoons of Turmeric will thus yield slightlymore than 2 x 500mgm capsules of Curcumin (2.4 capsules, to be exact).> Regards,> Marc Swanepoel> > - > Duane Christensen > oleander soup > Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:12 PM> Re: Turmeric versus curcumin> > > Hi Marc [and Melly],> > Thank you for this information on turmeric versus curcumin and for> calling attention to website discussing this. I wonder if you would be> willing to explore this matter a bit further.> > The capsules of curcumin are 500mg and the recommended dosage is 1-4> capsules daily, which means 500-2000mg. > > I have been consuming two tablespoons of

turmeric powder daily for> some time. How much curcumin would this be? In short, how many mg of> Turmeric are in one level tablespoon? > > Duane > > *****> > oleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD"> <marcswan@> wrote:> >> > Hi Melly,> > Turmeric contains roughly 4% curcumin. That means for every 4mg> curcumin, you need to take 100mg Turmeric (1:25 ratio). Therefore, to> get 3 gram (3000mg), you will have to take 75 gm (75000mg) of> turmeric. If you want to ingest relatively large quantities of> curcumin, then taking it via turmeric is not the way to go. See a discussion on this.> > Regards,>

> Marc Swanepoel> > > > - > > Melly Bag > > oleander soup > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:40 AM> > Re:Tony's Protocol for the budget conscious.> > > > > > .> >>

[Guest guest]

Duane.I don't think I mentioned at all anything about Bioperine. I did mention black pepper. Here is another site that has an article on black pepper and no one is promotingBioperine on either site as far as I could see and they aren't even selling black pepper.. Health Benefits of Black PepperBlack pepper is derived from the fruit of a climbing vine native tosouthern India and Sri Lanka. White pepper is likewise made from thisfruit but is processed differently. Used almost universally, blackpepper is one of the most common condiments worldwide and figuresprominently in most curry recipes. It is also frequently included inthe prescriptions of Ayurvedic and other traditional healthpractitioners. The spicy tang of black pepper is due to its mostimportant

and well-researched phytochemical, piperine.Thanks to many of its constituent compounds such as eugenol,kaempferol, myrcene, quercetin and rutin black pepper is a much moreeffective antioxidant than many fruit and vegetables.Moreover it contains the unique compound, piperine, which is capable ofenhancing the bioavailability of important nutritive compounds in otherfoods and spices.Medicinal Properties of Black PepperCancerBy increasing the bioavailability of other anti-tumourigenic spices,black pepper dramatically increases their potency and effectivenessagainst cancer. In addition to this important property, black pepperalso counteracts cancer development directly. Its principalphytochemical, piperine, inhibits some of the pro-inflammatorycytokines that are produced by tumour cells. In so doing it interfereswith the signalling mechanisms between cancer cells, thereby

reducingthe chances of tumour progression. Collectively, these properties makeblack pepper one of the most important spices for preventing cancer.Oxidative stressBlack pepper contains several powerful antioxidants and is thus one ofthe most important spices for preventing and curtailing oxidativestress. In addition to their direct antioxidant properties, several ofthese compounds work indirectly by enhancing the action of otherantioxidants. This makes black pepper particularly valuable inminimising the damage caused by a diet rich in saturated fats, one ofthe main causes of oxidative stress.The high levels of cholesterol and triglycerides associated withoxidative stress inhibit the efficacy of important antioxidants likeglutathione, superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase,vitamin C and vitamin E. However, in the face of this potentiallydestructive process, black

pepper actually maintains and enhances thelevels and efficacy of these important antioxidant compounds.ImmunomodulationBlack pepper exhibits immunomodulatory properties and is capable ofboosting the number and the efficacy of white cells, thereby assistingthe body to mount a powerful defense against invading microbes andcancer cells.Bioavailability enhancementPiperine increases the bioavailability of valuable phytochemicalspresent in other spices and can boost the activity of biochemicallyactive compounds contained in green tea, curcumin and a variety ofother spices by up to several hundred percent, depending on themolecule concerned. It does this via two principal mechanisms. First,it promotes the rapid absorption of certain chemicals from thegastrointestinal tract, protecting them from being broken down bychemicals in the intestinal lumen and by enzymes that occur in

thecells lining the intestines. Secondly, once the compound has enteredthe blood stream, piperine provides protection against oxidative damageby liver enzymes. In this way black pepper enables us to reap optimumbenefits from the medicinal phytochemicals found in other dietaryspices.Its bioavailability enhancing properties makes black pepper one of themost important spices. It should be added to recipes and meals as oftenas possible as it boosts the medicinal value of many spices and otherfoods.About The Author:Keith Scott is a medical doctor who has a special interest innutritional medicine. He has written several books on health relatedtopics including Medicinal Seasonings, The Healing Power Of Spices andNatural Home Pharmacy.