Chemo or No Chemo?

December 6, 2008

Here is the situation with my Mom and I'm having a hard time convincing her to stay away from the chemo and also wondering if she should add Oleander to her diet and would it be compatible with Budwig Protocol:

8/5 - Diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer Stage 3b-c (had been in hospital since july 30)8/7 - 1st round of chemo - carboplatin/taxotere (still in hospital - released aug 14)8/29 - 2nd round of chemo - same combo - outpatient9/1 - back in hospital after collapse in home from reason unknown but possible low blood pressure9/11 or thereabouts - back home from hospital9/19 - 3rd chemo scheduled but refused9/19 - started Budwig Protocol and has been doing well on it sinceHas regained her strength and is no longer using a walker. Is able to walk up and down her stairs, drive and do everything for herself - she could not do any of these things during and for some time after the chemo treatments.Her hair is starting to come back, her strength and immune system are coming back in a big way. She is still tired alot, cold, has nerve issues in her left leg and is generally weak and 'aware' of her abdomin everyday and senses the pressure and the fluid. She has had fluid build-up and drained on two occasions during her hospital stays but not since starting the BP and stopping the chemo. She is in no real pain and is not taking any medications except for a thyroid pill.11/17 - went in for testing12/4 - test results found her CA125 went down from 5000 to now 300.Doctor says this has absolutely nothing to do with the BP and is from the chemo. He wants her to start with the chemo again next week. Does not feel she should wait. He thinks it is good that she is on the BP diligent with her diet and that it is helping with her immune system and will help her tolerate the chemo better than she did last time.Our family believes that it is the BP that has gotten her this far with her numbers and wants her to continue with it at least until the next round of testing to be sure the numbers are coming down from the diet and not the chemo.One question I have is how long the chemo stays in the system because I believe that if the BP was not working her numbers would not be that good.There is also the issue of the cancer being spread out in and around her abdomin and is on the lining of a portion of her colon. The scare from the doctors is that if the cancer starts to grow again it will constrict the colon creating a blockage and then she will have to undergo invasive and complicated surgery to cut out that portion of the colon. So far she doesn't have any issues from this at all and goes to the bathroom regulary 3-5 times a day.Any thoughts from anyone would be greatly appreciated.Thanks in advance,

Hugs,

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oleander soup From: mary1konDate: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:32:06 +1100 Fw: Two Choices

this is a beautiful story, to warm your heart.

Hugs Mary

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Fw: Two Choices

>>> *Two Choices**:**

>>>

>>> What would you do...? You make the choice. >>

>>>

>>> Don't look for a punch line, there isn't one. >>

>>>

>>> Read it anyway. My question is: Would you

>>> have made the same choice?

>>>

>>> At a fundraising dinner for a school

>>> that serves children with learning

>>> disabilities, the father of one of

>>> the students delivered a speech that

>>> would never be forgotten by all who

>>> attended. After extolling the school

>>> and its dedicated staff, he offered

>>> a question:

>>>

>>> 'When not interfered with by

>>> outside influences, everything nature

>>> does, is done with perfection.

>>

>>> Yet my son, Shay, cannot learn

>>> things as other children do.

>>> He cannot understand things

>>> as other children do.

>>>

>>> Where is the natural order of things in my son?'

>>>

>>> The audience was stilled by the query.

>>>

>>> The father continued.

>>> 'I believe that when a child like

>>> Shay,who was mentally and physically

>>> disabled comes into the world,

>>> an opportunity to realize true human

>>> nature presents itself, and it comes

>>> in the way other people treat that child.'

>>>

>>> Then he told the following story:

>>>

>>> Shay and I had walked past a park

>>> where some boys Shay knew were

>>>playing baseball. Shay asked,

>>>'Do you think they'll let me play?'

>>>I knew that most of the boys would

>>> not want someone like Shay

>>> on their team, but as a father I

>>> also understood that if my son were

>>> allowed to play, it would give him a

>>> much-needed sense of belonging and

>>> some confidence to be accepted by

>>> others in spite of his handicaps.

>>>

>>> I approached one of the boys on the

>>> field and asked (not expecting much)

>>> if Shay could play. The boy looked

>>> around for guidance and said, 'We're

>>> losing by six runs and the game is in

>>> the eighth inning. I guess he can be

>>> on our team and we'll try to put him

>>> in to bat in the ninth inning.'

>>>

>>> Shay struggled over to the team's

>>> bench and, with a broad smile, put

>>> on a team shirt. I watched with a small

>>> tear in my eye and warmth in my

>>> heart. The boys saw my joy at my son

>>> being accepted.

>>>

>>> In the bottom of the eighth inning,

>>> Shay's team scored a few runs but

>>> was still behind by three.

>>>

>>> In the top of the ninth inning,

>>> Shay put on a glove and played in the

>>> right field. Even though no hits came

>>> his way, he was obviously ecstatic just

>>> to be in the game and on the field,

>>> grinning from ear to ear as I waved

>>> to him from the stands.

>>>

>>> In the bottom of the ninth inning,

>>> Shay's team scored again.

>>>

>>> Now, with two outs and the bases

>>> loaded, the potential winning run was

>>> on base and Shay was scheduled

>>> to be next at bat.

>>>

>>> At this juncture, do they let Shay

>>> bat and give away their chance to win

>>> the game?

>>>

>>> Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat.

>>> Everyone knew that a hit was all but

>>> impossible because Shay didn't even

>>> know how to hold the bat properly,

>>> much less connect with the ball.

>>>

>>> However, as Shay stepped up to the

>>> plate, the pitcher, recognizing that

>>> the other team was putting winning

>>> aside for this moment in Shay's life,

>>> moved in a few steps to lob the ball

>>> in softly so Shay could at least

>>> make contact.

>>>

>>> The first pitch came and Shay swung

>>> clumsily and missed.

>>>

>>> The pitcher again took a few steps

>>>forward to toss the ball softly towards

>>> Shay.

>>>

>>> As the pitch came in, Shay swung

>>> at the ball and hit a slow ground

>>> ball right back to the pitcher.

>>>

>>> The game would now be over.

>>>

>>> The pitcher picked up the soft

>>> grounder and could have easily

>>> thrown the ball to the first baseman.

>>>

>>> Shay would have been out and that

>>> would have been the end of the game.

>>>

>>> Instead, the pitcher threw the

>>> ball right over the first baseman's

>>> head, out of reach of all team mates.

>>>

>>> Everyone from the stands and both

>>> teams started yelling, 'Shay, run to

>>> first! Run to first!'

>>>

>>> Never in his life had Shay ever run

>>> that far, but he made it to first base.

>>>

>>> He scampered down the baseline,

>>> wide-eyed and startled.

>>>

>>> Everyone yelled, 'Run to second,

>>> run to second!'

>>>

>>> Catching his breath, Shay awkwardly

>>> ran towards second, gleaming and

>>> struggling to make it to the base.

>>>

>>> By the time Shay rounded towards

>>> second base, the right fielder had the

>>> ball . the smallest guy on their team

>>> who now had his first chance to be the

>>> hero for his team.

>>> He could have thrown the ball to the

>>> second-baseman for the tag, but he

>>> understood the pitcher's intentions so

>>> he, too, intentionally threw the ball

>>> high and far over the third-baseman's

>>> head.

>>> Shay ran toward third base deliriously

>>> as the runners ahead of him circled

>>> the bases toward home.

>>> All were screaming, 'Shay, Shay, Shay,

>>> all the Way Shay'

>>> Shay reached third base because the

>>> opposing shortstop ran to help him by

>>> turning him in the direction of third

>>> base, and shouted, 'Run to third!

>>> Shay, run to third!'

>>> As Shay rounded third, the boys

>>> from both teams, and the spectators,

>>> were on their feet screaming, 'Shay,

>>> run home! Run home!'

>>> Shay ran to home, stepped on the

>>> plate, and was cheered as the hero

>>> who hit the grand slam and won the

>>> game for his team

>>> 'That day', said the father softly

>>> with tears now rolling down his face,

>>> 'the boys from both teams helped

>>> bring a piece of true love and humanity

>>> into this world'.

>>> Shay didn't make it to another summer.

>>> He died that winter, having never

>>> forgotten being the hero

>>> and making me so happy,

>>> and coming home and seeing his

>>> Mother tearfully embrace her little

>>> hero of the day!

>>>

>>> AND NOW A LITTLE FOOT NOTE TO **THIS STORY:

>>>

>>> We all send thousands of jokes through

>>> the e-mail without a second thought,

>>> but when it comes to sending messages

>>> about life choices, people hesitate.

>>> The crude, vulgar, and often

>>> obscene pass freely through

>>> cyberspace, but public discussion

>>> about decency is too often suppressed

>>> in our schools and workplaces.

>>>

>>> If you're thinking about forwarding this message, chances are tha

>>> you're probably sorting out the people in your address book who aren't

>>> the 'appropriate' ones to receive this type of message Well, the

>>> person who sent you this believes that we all can make a difference.

>>>

>>> We all have thousands of opportunities

>>> every single day to help realize the

>>> 'natural order of things.'

>>>

>>> So many seemingly trivial interactions

>>> between two people present us with a

>>> choice:

>>>

>>> Do we pass along a little spark of

>>> love and humanity or do we pass up

>>> those opportunities and leave the

>>> world a little bit colder in the process?

>>>

>>> A wise man once said every society

>>> is judged by how it treats it's least

>>> fortunate amongst them.

>>>

>>> You now have two choices:

>>> 1. Delete

>>> 2. Forward

>>> May your day, be a Shay Day.

>>>

>>

>

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December 7, 2008

Rose,

I really can't give you advice, but I can tell you what I would do if it were me in your mom's shoes. I'd stay as far away from the chemo as I could... not only can't it cure her ovarian cancer but it can kill her. The quality of life from chemo is horrible. My mother died from ovarian cancer therapy (cisplatin and 5 FU). She went into a coma after her liver failed from the chemo, never came out of it. Put her on oleander or Sutherlandia OPC. You can start with two caps a day and work your way up to 4 or even 6 a day if necessary... often two is plenty. I'd also have her drink 8 oz of colloidal silver daily (sip during the day) and put her on IP6, perhaps as many as a dozen caps a day (start out with two). There are other things out there that work, but this is a good protocol.

Good luck. I know how hard this is for you... she probably wants to follow the doctor's orders and is scared... but in reality they can't help her.

Bob