ADD

May 27, 2002

Absolutely. The more one treats the clearer it is that succesful results are dependant on knowing what herbs work for what specific disease within the broad,and often simple, parameters of a pattern. A clinical hint can be the most valuable information of all. >>>>Simon unfortunately this is too often lost in the "we just need to balance stuff" mentality of many TCM practitioners in the west

Alon

May 18, 2005

Dear Sherry,

We call her, " SuperMom " !!!

Man oh man. What lucky kids grace your life and lucky they are in your

grace. I absolutely LOVE this story.

I gotta say this made my day. Way to go supermom!

With Admiration,

Zeb

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My reply was, " Guess what? He was only on the meds for

two weeks! So, It's my contention that the only thing

that has changed is your attitude towards my child, "

The subject was promptly changed at that point, and I

soon after pulled all of my children from the public

school system.

Sherry Lassiter

Mom to Caleb 22, Sarah 21, Chelsea 19,

Calli 16, and Olivia 12

May 18, 2005

I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I tend

to hang out for a while before introducing myself. ;-)

However, in light of this discussion, I wanted to

share my experience with the PS system and ADD.

When my son was small and in the public school, I got

many MANY complaints about his behavior. I then begand

to get pressured in to having him " tested " for ADD.

After a time I agreed. He was sent to the local county

health clinic, put in a room with a " view " for the

evaluators for about a half hour, then diagnosed as

ADD.

He was then given a prescription for Ritalin to be

given every morning before school. I tried it

(ignorant as I was at the time) for two weeks. Caleb

nearly went out of his mind every evening. Had the

bugs under the skin sensations, wild mood swings...

was basically in a living hell. What was I told by his

Dr? " Give him time to adjust to the meds. " BULL! I

took him off the meds and simply didn't tell anyone I

had. :-)

Three months later, a meeting was scheduled to

re-evaluate Caleb's progress in school. The first to

speak was his teacher. She said, You would not believe

the difference in Caleb since you finally agreed to

have him treated. "

My reply was, " Guess what? He was only on the meds for

two weeks! So, It's my contention that the only thing

that has changed is your attitude towards my child, "

The subject was promptly changed at that point, and I

soon after pulled all of my children from the public

school system.

Sherry Lassiter

Mom to Caleb 22, Sarah 21, Chelsea 19,

Calli 16, and Olivia 12

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May 18, 2005

Sherry, you did wonderful!!!! I had to laugh at what happened with the re-evaluation - even though it most likely wasn't funny to you at the time! Your kids are lucky to have you!!

love

Lisa

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sherry lassiter

herbal remedies

Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:58 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - ADD

I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I tendto hang out for a while before introducing myself. ;-)However, in light of this discussion, I wanted toshare my experience with the PS system and ADD.When my son was small and in the public school, I gotmany MANY complaints about his behavior. I then begandto get pressured in to having him "tested" for ADD.

July 6, 2008

Tulu, I, too, have ADD. I refuse to think of myself as 'suffering' from it

though. I truly believe a positive attitude goes a long way to learning how

to live with ADD.

For lack of concentration, part of the problem may be lack of interest in the

subject. With ADD, when one is truly interested by something, the focus

becomes almost hyper-fixed on everything about it. It takes some training to

pay close attention & keep one's focus if the subject isn't captivating

though.

I found that it helps to take visual notes during any meetings. If there are

books involved or papers, take them with you & follow along with what's said

at the meeting, using the papers or book. That way, not just the auditory

part of your mind is being used but your visual part too. And making notes

also brings into play another part of your mind as your fingers write,

re-enforcing your concentration. Try to anticipate what may be said or

discussed. Your thoughts work much faster than spoken words so you can think

along with what is said. You must learn tricks that work best for yourself to

pay attention. Really, nothing comes easy without some effort from us. View

it as a stimulating challenge rather than a handicap & you'll be more likely

to act positively about it.

I've also found that many things in modern society 'feeds' ADD. Things like

rapidly changing scenes in TV shows, movies & news; the start & stop driving

in traffic (rushing from one traffic light to another with waits for the

light to change in between); video games; flashing advertising; & even

newspapers & magazines with short articles broken into small sections (due to

many people not liking to read now). All these things seem to foster a

shorter attention span in most people & make it noticeably worse for those of

us with ADD.

Try to avoid much of this. It will only make things worse. Traffic is hard to

avoid but rather than watching shows with rapidly changing scenes or lots of

special effects, pick something with a more leisurely & involved story line.

Take some time to simply relax with a good book rather than a magazine or

newspaper. I ca find myself calming down & focusing better when I do so.

How's your sleeping? If your sleep isn't deep & restful, it can play havoc

with your concentration & worsen ADD symptoms. TCM can help with poor sleep &

if your sleeping habits are irregular, you can improve that yourself.

I can't speak about what herbs may help or hinder. That's beyond me but

perhaps some of what I suggested might be worth trying?

Judy

On Saturday 05 July 2008 5:46:48 pm tulu 489 wrote:

> I suffer from ADD. I used to take Gui Pi Wan and it helped to keep it under

> some control. But now it does not help me at all, rather it makes my ADD

> worse. I do not know what has changed? Could it be due to long gap when I

> did not take Gui Pi Wan?

>

> I tried Acorus but it did not suit me. It was worsening my ADD, so I

> stopped it. For the last one week I am taking GABA (750 mg in the morning),

> it has reduced my procrastination but nothing beyond that.

>

> There are three other formulations which I am thinking of trying:

> (1) Cerebral Tonic Pills

> (2) Bu Nao Wan

> (3) Tian Huan Bu Xin Tang.

>

> My problems are related to weak spleen function and kidney yin. For both

> these conditions I took TCM treatment for a long time. For Kidney yin can I

> try " Two Immortals " ? This formulation is recommended for women, so I am a

> bit hesitant to consider it.

>

> Memory and mental fog were a serious issue in the past, but TCM treatment,

> yoga brething and Acupuncture have made a very positive improvement. My

> present problem is (1) lack of concentration when attending a meeting (2)

> if some one speaks fast I fail to understand what is being said. I am not

> sure if (2) comes under ADD.

>

> Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

>

> Regards.

> Tulu

July 6, 2008

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 5:46 PM, tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote:

> I suffer from ADD. I used to take Gui Pi Wan and it helped to keep it

> under some control. But now it does not help me at all, rather it makes my

> ADD worse. I do not know what has changed?

> Could it be due to long gap when I did not take Gui Pi Wan?

>

How long after beginning the Gui Pi Wan did it help?

Did it continue to help after you stopped taking Gui Pi Wan?

If so, for how long?

I tried Acorus but it did not suit me. It was worsening my ADD, so I stopped

> it.

> For the last one week I am taking GABA (750 mg in the morning), it has

> reduced my procrastination but nothing beyond that.

>

I know of some people who would be very happy to address their

procrastination with a pill.

> There are three other formulations which I am thinking of trying:

> (1) Cerebral Tonic Pills

> (2) Bu Nao Wan

> (3) Tian Huan Bu Xin Tang.

>

Tian Wang Bu Xi Tang is pretty good, I'm not sure what's in the others.

However, I see you're focusing on these over-the-counter formulas. You might

consider doubling the dosage presented on the package. They really aim low

on their labeling.

My problems are related to weak spleen function and kidney yin. For both

> these conditions I took TCM treatment for a long time.

> For Kidney yin can I try " Two Immortals " ? This formulation is recommended

> for women, so I am a bit hesitant to consider it.

>

That's funny. Am I to assume then, that you are male? Formulas are really

gender non-specific, though a blood moving formula such as shao fu zhu yu

tang might address erectile dysfunction in males, but painful periods in

females. So, the applications can be different, but the formulas aren't

really that gender specific.

" Two Immortals " is for a deficiency of both yin and yang. Might not apply to

you.

> Memory and mental fog were a serious issue in the past, but TCM treatment,

> yoga brething and Acupuncture have made a very positive improvement. My

> present problem is (1) lack of concentration when attending a meeting (2) if

> some one speaks fast I fail to understand what is being said. I am not sure

> if (2) comes under ADD.

>

Am I to understand that you only notice ADD in meetings?

Or is it that your ADD is noticeable in meetings because it is more

important that you focus?

The problem understanding someone who is speaking fast doesn't sound like

ADD to me. Do you have any ringing in your ears? Do you find your hearing

loss more evident in loud restaurants or anything like that?

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

July 6, 2008

Judy, I love what you're throwing down here.

I myself find that if I apply a qi gong idea to my daily life, I can focus

better in the moment too. What I do is kind of act like I'm underwater,

where to move anything, there's a little thickness that I have to press

against. So, the air around you becomes just a little thick, and you can't

move quite as freely.

This totally slows you down and brings you in to the moment. May not be

something that you'll want to do during business meetings, but you do that

for a few minutes prior and by the time you're sitting in your meeting,

you're all there!

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote:

> Tulu, I, too, have ADD. I refuse to think of myself as 'suffering' from it

> though. I truly believe a positive attitude goes a long way to learning how

> to live with ADD.

>

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

July 6, 2008

--- On Sat, 7/5/08, Al Stone <al wrote:

Al Stone <al

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] ADD

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Saturday, July 5, 2008, 9:43 PM

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 5:46 PM, tulu 489 <tulu489 > wrote:

> I suffer from ADD. I used to take Gui Pi Wan and it helped to keep it

> under some control. But now it does not help me at all, rather it makes my

> ADD worse. I do not know what has changed?

> Could it be due to long gap when I did not take Gui Pi Wan?

>

How long after beginning the Gui Pi Wan did it help?I do not remember the

time it needed to be effective.

I was taking it 3 times a day, 8 pills every time.

Did it continue to help after you stopped taking Gui Pi Wan?

Yes, for a few months.

If so, for how long?

I tried Acorus but it did not suit me. It was worsening my ADD, so I stopped

> it.

> For the last one week I am taking GABA (750 mg in the morning), it has

> reduced my procrastination but nothing beyond that.

>

I know of some people who would be very happy to address their

procrastination with a pill.

Procrastination is a symptom of ADD. Whenever ADD shows improvement,

procrastination goes down.

> There are three other formulations which I am thinking of trying:

> (1) Cerebral Tonic Pills

> (2) Bu Nao Wan

> (3) Tian Huan Bu Xin Tang.

>

Tian Wang Bu Xi Tang is pretty good, I'm not sure what's in the others.

However, I see you're focusing on these over-the-counter formulas. You might

consider doubling the dosage presented on the package. They really aim low

on their labeling.I will try Tian Wang Bu Xi Tang.

I do not have access to an experienced TCM practitioner, so I have to use

OTC formulas.

My problems are related to weak spleen function and kidney yin. For both

> these conditions I took TCM treatment for a long time.

> For Kidney yin can I try " Two Immortals " ? This formulation is recommended

> for women, so I am a bit hesitant to consider it.

>

That's funny. Am I to assume then, that you are male? Formulas are really

gender non-specific, though a blood moving formula such as shao fu zhu yu

tang might address erectile dysfunction in males, but painful periods in

females. So, the applications can be different, but the formulas aren't

really that gender specific.

" Two Immortals " is for a deficiency of both yin and yang. Might not apply to

you.

Any suggestions on a formulation that addresses yin deficiency only?

> Memory and mental fog were a serious issue in the past, but TCM treatment,

> yoga brething and Acupuncture have made a very positive improvement. My

> present problem is (1) lack of concentration when attending a meeting (2) if

> some one speaks fast I fail to understand what is being said. I am not sure

> if (2) comes under ADD.

>

Am I to understand that you only notice ADD in meetings?Meeting is the

occasion where ADD hurts most, attention and concentration is needed. I have to

be 'PRESENT' in the meeting.

Or is it that your ADD is noticeable in meetings because it is more

important that you focus?

The problem understanding someone who is speaking fast doesn't sound like

ADD to me. Do you have any ringing in your ears? Do you find your hearing

loss more evident in loud restaurants or anything like that?

No ringing in the ears. Yes, noise makes ADD worse.

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

July 6, 2008

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:14 AM, tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote:

>

> How long after beginning the Gui Pi Wan did it help?I do not remember

> the time it needed to be effective.

> I was taking it 3 times a day, 8 pills every time.

>

> Did it continue to help after you stopped taking Gui Pi Wan?

>

> Yes, for a few months.

>

And you have since returned to Gui Pi Wan and it didn't help this time?

Hmmm. I'd give that larger dosage a try firstly. Gui Pi Wan is a reasonable

choice for ADD, but that assumes a specific cause that derives from a

weakened digestion (Spleen qi) leading to a lack of neurotransmitters (Heart

blood) that have some sort of effect on your concentration and focus.

Any suggestions on a formulation that addresses yin deficiency only?

>

There are quite a few, but when one thinks about a formula that addresses *

concentration* problems due to Kidney yin deficiency, the formula Tian Wan

Bu Xin Dan (that last word can change to tang, pian, wan, etc.) is what

you're looking for.

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

July 6, 2008

" ...but that assumes a specific cause that derives from a

> weakened digestion (Spleen qi) leading to a lack of

neurotransmitters (Heart

> blood) that have some sort of effect on your concentration and focus. "

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

Do we have to stick with Chinese medicine on this forum? Lack of

balance in neurotransmitters - well that's a western version of things

to start with - can cause all sorts of havoc in your mind. Now that I

am in my 50s, my mind does not function as smartly as when younger, so

I am starting to look into things I can take & do.

Someone I know recommended amino acid therapy, the whole lot of them

in certain ratios, not just 1 or 2 aminos. I guess this is

semi-drug-like on first glance, because you are not dealing directly

with a sluggish digestive system. But on second thought, if the amino

acids you take by mouth (immediately digested kind) create the right

amount of NTMs, maybe the body is eventually thereby fooled into

thinking that the liver & entire digestive system are smart enough to

get going and do it themselves. You know, a feedback system. This does

of course assume an adequate diet.

July 6, 2008

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Mrs. Barley <chosenbarley wrote:

> " ...but that assumes a specific cause that derives from a

>

> > weakened digestion (Spleen qi) leading to a lack of

> neurotransmitters (Heart

> > blood) that have some sort of effect on your concentration and focus. "

>

> Do we have to stick with Chinese medicine on this forum?

>

We can talk about things in whatever language we chose. But when I describe

Western mechanisms, as I did above, it is only for the sake of being

understood. I don't mean to really stress that there is a problematic

balance in neurotransmitters. I don't know that. But it better communicates

the relationship of " heart blood " to sleep, cognition, focus, and all these

shen (spirit) level issues that can be treated with Gui Pi Wan.

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

July 7, 2008

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al wrote:

The problem understanding someone who is speaking fast doesn't sound like

> ADD to me. Do you have any ringing in your ears? Do you find your

hearing

> loss more evident in loud restaurants or anything like that?

>

Actually this could be a symptom of ADD or ADHD which has nothing to

do with hearing loss. There is something called Auditory Processing

Disorder. If this is a problem for the person, additional noise in an

environment would exacerbate understanding what is said as would

listening to someone who was talking faster than normal. It is a

problem with the translation of information which comes into the brain

into something comprehensible to the brain and it is frequently seen

in people who have ADD or ADHD:

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/voice/auditory.asp

" Auditory processing is a term used to describe what happens when your

brain recognizes and interprets the sounds around you. Humans hear

when energy that we recognize as sound travels through the ear and is

changed into electrical information that can be interpreted by the

brain. The " disorder " part of auditory processing disorder means that

something is adversely affecting the processing or interpretation of

the information.

Children with APD often do not recognize subtle differences between

sounds in words, even though the sounds themselves are loud and clear.

For example, the request " Tell me how a chair and a couch are alike "

may sound to a child with APD like " Tell me how a couch and a chair

are alike. " It can even be understood by the child as " Tell me how a

cow and a hair are alike. " These kinds of problems are more likely to

occur when a person with APD is in a noisy environment or when he or

she is listening to complex information.

APD goes by many other names. Sometimes it is referred to as central

auditory processing disorder (CAPD). Other common names are auditory

perception problem, auditory comprehension deficit, central auditory

dysfunction, central deafness, and so-called " word deafness. "

Although this website discusses children this problem is not something

which disappears upon reaching adulthood. There is also a visual

processing disorder. Hopefully a person will only have one of these

problems and not both. This is why some children (and adults)

learn in different ways. Many teachers are not aware of this problem

and this can be why some children have such a hard time learning in

school, especially if there has been no workup to find out what is

going on with the child.

July 7, 2008

So, then, it could be concluded that the socalled different

" intelligences " are actually the result of some sort of pathology. I

recall that in school I couldn't learn much by listening to the

teachers; I had to read the material on my own. V. interesting post!

July 8, 2008

Thanks, your posting makes a lot of sense.

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, baidanwu34 <baidanwu34 wrote:

baidanwu34 <baidanwu34

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: ADD

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Monday, July 7, 2008, 6:52 AM

Chinese Traditional Medicine, " Al Stone " <al wrote:

The problem understanding someone who is speaking fast doesn't sound like

> ADD to me. Do you have any ringing in your ears? Do you find your

hearing

> loss more evident in loud restaurants or anything like that?

>

Actually this could be a symptom of ADD or ADHD which has nothing to

do with hearing loss. There is something called Auditory Processing

Disorder. If this is a problem for the person, additional noise in an

environment would exacerbate understanding what is said as would

listening to someone who was talking faster than normal. It is a

problem with the translation of information which comes into the brain

into something comprehensible to the brain and it is frequently seen

in people who have ADD or ADHD:

http://www.nidcd. nih.gov/health/ voice/auditory. asp