high humidity - internal dampness

[Guest guest]

Hi, I have a internal dampness disorder and am taking herbs to clear

the damp heat I have. But unfortionatley I live in a very Hot and

humid location (Miami).

I have been taking herbs to clear damp heat and strenghten my spleen

and kidneys. But Im not shure if these will cure my problem because I

have been taking these herbs for 3 months now although I admit I feel

better I am wondering if I will ever be cured or do I have to change

my location to a dryer place?

thank you for your supports

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/2003 5:15:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

attiliodalberto writes:

 

> The damp can turn into heat espcially with the

> assistance of central heating.

>

> I would carry on with the herbs and not think about moving out

> straight away. Ask your TCM practitioner for more advice on your

> constitution. Hope that helps.

>

> Attilio

>

 

Damn man, That is some pretty drastic advice for knowing so little

about the person.

From my perspective, herbs are a great adjunct to the real cure which

is often diet. Damp heat people, are often eating the wrong foods that create

allergic reactions, inflammation, mucus and critters.

For most people, clean up the diet deal with the inflammation kill the

" candida " or other pesky critter and the damp heat goes away.

Yes, damp climates will be a challenge to some people, but at the core

is diet diet diet. Not moving.

 

My 2 cents,

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Good question. You may well have a damp-heat constitution and

therefore will need to move to a less damp and hot climate. But you

may also have built up alot of damp-heat in your body, more likely.

I personally have damp heat and dont live in a hot climate (London),

but it is damp. The damp can turn into heat espcially with the

assistance of central heating.

 

I would carry on with the herbs and not think about moving out

straight away. Ask your TCM practitioner for more advice on your

constitution. Hope that helps.

 

Attilio

 

Chinese Medicine , " ilhan305 "

<ilhan305> wrote:

> Hi, I have a internal dampness disorder and am taking herbs to

clear

> the damp heat I have. But unfortionatley I live in a very Hot and

> humid location (Miami).

> I have been taking herbs to clear damp heat and strenghten my

spleen

> and kidneys. But Im not shure if these will cure my problem

because I

> have been taking these herbs for 3 months now although I admit I

feel

> better I am wondering if I will ever be cured or do I have to

change

> my location to a dryer place?

> thank you for your supports

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/2003 9:40:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

ilhan305 writes:

 

> Thank you for your help people,

> What type of diet is this?

> And what herbs are best to use for this problem

> I have damp heat in the bladder + intestines and Qi deficiency +

> dampness in the spleen. Wheat also bothers me a lot so I havent been

> eating wheat for about a year. What type of herbs do you think will

> be the most help, and what type of diet do I need?

> thank you for your 2 cents chris, you can spare me a couple cents

> more Ill appreciate it

>

 

OK. A few more cents for ya.

 

First off, this is not necessarily a simple problem. Damp shows up in

different people for different reasons. So you can't treat everyone the

same. I'm sure you probably know that.

I use Live Blood microscopy in my office so I have the advantage that

I can see the byproduct of lifestyle and diet in the blood. It takes a lot of

guess work out of the picture and I get to watch people progress as they

become well. It is really cool. Also a lot of patients who have had

information

form other practitioners, make personal changes when they actually see what t

here lifestyle is doing to the blood. Anyway, what I have found is damp is

typically caused by the inability of the body to process the food put in the

gut. I will gloss over some reasons why below.

For some it is excess sugar that leads to yeast, inflammation and

mucus. These people do really well on a low carb diet with the inclusion of a

hefty dose of enzymes between with meals and at night before bed. Also spleen

tonifying herbs help.

The advantage we have over yeast is that yeast needs sugar to grow and

if you reduce the supply of sugar, you help reduce the numbers of yeasts.

Also, the cell structure of yeast is rather weak and if you take a bunch of

enzymes for both sugars and protein, the sugar digesting enzymes will make it

harder for the yeast to aquire food and the protease will destroy the cell wall

of

the yeast making recovery much faster.

I have seen people with severe yeast and damp modify their diet, add

the enzymes and a few other sups and a month later be completely clean and

feeling great. I have also had some pretty stubborn cases.

Reducing, not eliminating sugar from all sources, including fast

burning grains is real important. Some practitioners stress the importance of

removing fruits. I find the grains to be more of a problem. You can make up

your

own mind.

I have not seen any benefit from the old idea of staying away from

yeast products. Just remember, sugar is the key. If the patient won't cut back,

you can forget about cleaning them up.

Other people have a hard time processing fats because of a congested

gallbladder which is typically caused by ingesting foods they are sensitive to,

way to much of the wrong fat in the diet and of course they could be holding

on to some resentment that is locking up the gallbladder.

This leads to blood sludge, plaque buildup, low oxygen, Qi deficient,

poor circulation, which leads to inflammation, and damp. These people get to

reexamine the whole idea of what fats do in the body and use them wisely.

By switching from the typical omega 6 oils like corn oil, canola, and

others, along with removing all hydrogenated oils, and adding to omega three

and nine oils, like fish oils and olive oils, gallbladder congestion often

eases and fat metabolism picks up. Inflammation eases and the damp will often

go

away. You can accelerate the process by including good enzymes with the

balance heavy on the lipase side.

Many people are sensitive to the very foods they crave. This is a big

problem, as there is an immune response, histamine release and damp heat.

Luckily many people are aware of food sensitivities and are willing to change

the diet. Once the offending foods are removed from the diet, people will often

feel much better and the damp dries up. The most common foods of course are

wheat, dairy, and gluttonous foods. Unfortunately, this includes many of the

grains that a lot of " health conscience " people think are good for them.

It is very hard watching the look on some peoples faces when I tell

them the vegetarian diet they thought was healthy is the primary reason they are

sick. No, I don't mean that you can't be well on a vegetarian diet. It is

just very difficult and most vegetarians I see are weak, depleted and don't

know why.

This group of people are often hypoglycemic and crave the grains that

are making them sick. It is very important they remover these foods and get

back to the steamed vegetables, whole brown rice with lean meats that we all

know is the basis to a solid food program. This American food pyramid with the

emphasis on grains is for the birds. Not humans.

I know I didn't spend any time on herbs because you really need to

take each case individually. Also, many people get caught up in the supplement

being the cure. It is not. Herbs are only an adjunct to a good food program.

If a person is continually ingesting foods that are imbalancing them, then a

few herbs is not the answer. Sure, they may help, but, the cure is in the

food and there is a lot of different reactions to foods out there. The fun is

in

figuring out what will work for each patient. ;-))

 

Let the games begin,

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your help people,

What type of diet is this?

And what herbs are best to use for this problem

I have damp heat in the bladder + intestines and Qi deficiency +

dampness in the spleen. Wheat also bothers me a lot so I havent been

eating wheat for about a year. What type of herbs do you think will

be the most help, and what type of diet do I need?

thank you for your 2 cents chris, you can spare me a couple cents

more Ill appreciate it

 

Chinese Medicine , Musiclear@a...

wrote:

> In a message dated 9/25/2003 5:15:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> attiliodalberto writes:

>

> > The damp can turn into heat espcially with the

> > assistance of central heating.

> >

> > I would carry on with the herbs and not think about moving out

> > straight away. Ask your TCM practitioner for more advice on your

> > constitution. Hope that helps.

> >

> > Attilio

> >

>

> Damn man, That is some pretty drastic advice for knowing so

little

> about the person.

> From my perspective, herbs are a great adjunct to the real

cure which

> is often diet. Damp heat people, are often eating the wrong foods

that create

> allergic reactions, inflammation, mucus and critters.

> For most people, clean up the diet deal with the

inflammation kill the

> " candida " or other pesky critter and the damp heat goes away.

> Yes, damp climates will be a challenge to some people, but

at the core

> is diet diet diet. Not moving.

>

> My 2 cents,

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/2003 2:05:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

holger.wendt writes:

 

> i also believe it is what we eat (and how we eat it) that matters first

> ------

> >Also a lot of patients who have had information form other

> practitioners, make personal changes when they actually see what there

> lifestyle is doing to the blood.

> ------

> Do you check ph balance to? It seems to be a possible way to see

> what the lifestyle is doing to the balance in the body

> I have not begun yet with it but I just met a

> nurse who's whole life changed from unhealth to superhealth

> just by checking her ph-balance and adjusting what she ate

>

> peeing on a small piece of lacmus paper daily she could check

> how it changed depending on what food she ate.

>

> She stopped eating white refined wheat and pizza and such

> fast calories because it made her ph lower (down towards 5)

> and discovered that by eating more rootfruits etc it got closer to 7

> and with some ph calcium in addition she changed

> from sitting in a wheelchair to dancing, in just a month or two.

>

> Holger

>

 

I agree about the way we eat making a difference. So many people

think just because they eat good food, they can do it at 100mph and it is OK.

Yes, I do pH testing. I like to use both saliva and urine. As long

as you test the saliva before you eat, it gives a better base line for general

pH. Keep in mind that since the body is a closed system. If your stomach is

digesting food and acid, then the rest of the body is more basic.

Using urine pH the way you mentioned is great to test how the body is

responding to the food eaten, but it doesn't give you a base line of the body

in general.

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am impressed Chris

i also believe it is what we eat (and how we eat it) that matters first

------

> Also a lot of patients who have had information form other

practitioners, make personal changes when they actually see what there

lifestyle is doing to the blood.

------

Do you check ph balance to? It seems to be a possible way to see

what the lifestyle is doing to the balance in the body

I have not begun yet with it but I just met a

nurse who's whole life changed from unhealth to superhealth

just by checking her ph-balance and adjusting what she ate

 

peeing on a small piece of lacmus paper daily she could check

how it changed depending on what food she ate.

 

She stopped eating white refined wheat and pizza and such

fast calories because it made her ph lower (down towards 5)

and discovered that by eating more rootfruits etc it got closer to 7

and with some ph calcium in addition she changed

from sitting in a wheelchair to dancing, in just a month or two.

 

Holger

---

Let the games begin,

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/2003 4:05:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

ilhan305 writes:

 

> Chris thanks alot for your help you actually gave me 10$ not a couple

> more cents. I understand things alot better know. All the KFC and

> sweets I ate in the past the antibiotics.... messed me up. So like u

> said i will focus more on my diet then the herbs Im also very

> sensitive to gluten allthough I came out negative in the blood tests

> I still avoid it. I hope I can start eating grains again like I did

> in the past when and if I can cure my problem. Where is your office

> located in chris? I stay in Miami. thanks for all your information it

> really helped me out. I will check for some pancreatic supplements

> too. So thanks again

 

No problamo. Glad to help. My office is in West Palm.

As far as enzymes go, there are benefits to Pancreatic enzymes, but,

there are much more potent enzymes available.

Go for higher potency vegetable base. They work in a wider pH range so

they don't denature in the stomach or intestines.

 

Have a good one,

Chris

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Holger,

 

I could not agree with you more regarding what we eat! Also, Chris, you can

check your urine pH. I make my students do this in physiology over the course

of a week as they change their diet. If they are meat eaters, I ask them to

shift to a vegan diet for a week and check the pH of the urine. It usually

shifts from acid to neutral or basic. Reducing animal proteins to 15% of

calories has been a prime directive in nutritional biochemistry for decades.

Don't be fooled by current dietary regimes that call for higher percentages of

animal protein. It challenges the kidneys and liver in completely unnecessary

ways.

 

Emmanuel Segmen

Merritt College, Asia Natural

-

Holger Wendt

 

I am impressed Chris

i also believe it is what we eat (and how we eat it) that matters first

------

> Also a lot of patients who have had information form other

practitioners, make personal changes when they actually see what there

lifestyle is doing to the blood.

------

Do you check ph balance to? It seems to be a possible way to see

what the lifestyle is doing to the balance in the body

I have not begun yet with it but I just met a

nurse who's whole life changed from unhealth to superhealth

just by checking her ph-balance and adjusting what she ate

 

peeing on a small piece of lacmus paper daily she could check

how it changed depending on what food she ate.

 

She stopped eating white refined wheat and pizza and such

fast calories because it made her ph lower (down towards 5)

and discovered that by eating more rootfruits etc it got closer to 7

and with some ph calcium in addition she changed

from sitting in a wheelchair to dancing, in just a month or two.

 

Holger

---

Let the games begin,

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Don't be fooled by current dietary regimes that call for higher percentages of

animal protein. It challenges the kidneys and liver in completely unnecessary

ways.

 

>>>Why than people in northern India which eat more meat and fat have fewer

disease than the more vag of the south?

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chris thanks alot for your help you actually gave me 10$ not a couple

more cents. I understand things alot better know. All the KFC and

sweets I ate in the past the antibiotics.... messed me up. So like u

said i will focus more on my diet then the herbs Im also very

sensitive to gluten allthough I came out negative in the blood tests

I still avoid it. I hope I can start eating grains again like I did

in the past when and if I can cure my problem. Where is your office

located in chris? I stay in Miami. thanks for all your information it

really helped me out. I will check for some pancreatic supplements

too. So thanks again

Chinese Medicine , Musiclear@a...

wrote:

> In a message dated 9/25/2003 9:40:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> ilhan305 writes:

>

> > Thank you for your help people,

> > What type of diet is this?

> > And what herbs are best to use for this problem

> > I have damp heat in the bladder + intestines and Qi deficiency +

> > dampness in the spleen. Wheat also bothers me a lot so I havent

been

> > eating wheat for about a year. What type of herbs do you think

will

> > be the most help, and what type of diet do I need?

> > thank you for your 2 cents chris, you can spare me a couple cents

> > more Ill appreciate it

> >

>

> OK. A few more cents for ya.

>

> First off, this is not necessarily a simple problem. Damp

shows up in

> different people for different reasons. So you can't treat

everyone the

> same. I'm sure you probably know that.

> I use Live Blood microscopy in my office so I have the

advantage that

> I can see the byproduct of lifestyle and diet in the blood. It

takes a lot of

> guess work out of the picture and I get to watch people progress as

they

> become well. It is really cool. Also a lot of patients who have

had information

> form other practitioners, make personal changes when they actually

see what t

> here lifestyle is doing to the blood. Anyway, what I have found

is damp is

> typically caused by the inability of the body to process the food

put in the

> gut. I will gloss over some reasons why below.

> For some it is excess sugar that leads to yeast,

inflammation and

> mucus. These people do really well on a low carb diet with the

inclusion of a

> hefty dose of enzymes between with meals and at night before bed.

Also spleen

> tonifying herbs help.

> The advantage we have over yeast is that yeast needs sugar

to grow and

> if you reduce the supply of sugar, you help reduce the numbers of

yeasts.

> Also, the cell structure of yeast is rather weak and if you take a

bunch of

> enzymes for both sugars and protein, the sugar digesting enzymes

will make it

> harder for the yeast to aquire food and the protease will destroy

the cell wall of

> the yeast making recovery much faster.

> I have seen people with severe yeast and damp modify their

diet, add

> the enzymes and a few other sups and a month later be completely

clean and

> feeling great. I have also had some pretty stubborn cases.

> Reducing, not eliminating sugar from all sources, including

fast

> burning grains is real important. Some practitioners stress the

importance of

> removing fruits. I find the grains to be more of a problem. You

can make up your

> own mind.

> I have not seen any benefit from the old idea of staying

away from

> yeast products. Just remember, sugar is the key. If the patient

won't cut back,

> you can forget about cleaning them up.

> Other people have a hard time processing fats because of a

congested

> gallbladder which is typically caused by ingesting foods they are

sensitive to,

> way to much of the wrong fat in the diet and of course they could

be holding

> on to some resentment that is locking up the gallbladder.

> This leads to blood sludge, plaque buildup, low oxygen, Qi

deficient,

> poor circulation, which leads to inflammation, and damp. These

people get to

> reexamine the whole idea of what fats do in the body and use them

wisely.

> By switching from the typical omega 6 oils like corn oil,

canola, and

> others, along with removing all hydrogenated oils, and adding to

omega three

> and nine oils, like fish oils and olive oils, gallbladder

congestion often

> eases and fat metabolism picks up. Inflammation eases and the damp

will often go

> away. You can accelerate the process by including good enzymes

with the

> balance heavy on the lipase side.

> Many people are sensitive to the very foods they crave.

This is a big

> problem, as there is an immune response, histamine release and damp

heat.

> Luckily many people are aware of food sensitivities and are willing

to change

> the diet. Once the offending foods are removed from the diet,

people will often

> feel much better and the damp dries up. The most common foods of

course are

> wheat, dairy, and gluttonous foods. Unfortunately, this includes

many of the

> grains that a lot of " health conscience " people think are good for

them.

> It is very hard watching the look on some peoples faces when

I tell

> them the vegetarian diet they thought was healthy is the primary

reason they are

> sick. No, I don't mean that you can't be well on a vegetarian

diet. It is

> just very difficult and most vegetarians I see are weak, depleted

and don't

> know why.

> This group of people are often hypoglycemic and crave the

grains that

> are making them sick. It is very important they remover these

foods and get

> back to the steamed vegetables, whole brown rice with lean meats

that we all

> know is the basis to a solid food program. This American food

pyramid with the

> emphasis on grains is for the birds. Not humans.

> I know I didn't spend any time on herbs because you really

need to

> take each case individually. Also, many people get caught up in

the supplement

> being the cure. It is not. Herbs are only an adjunct to a good

food program.

> If a person is continually ingesting foods that are imbalancing

them, then a

> few herbs is not the answer. Sure, they may help, but, the cure is

in the

> food and there is a lot of different reactions to foods out there.

The fun is in

> figuring out what will work for each patient. ;-))

>

> Let the games begin,

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " Alon Marcus "

<alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> Don't be fooled by current dietary regimes that call for higher

percentages of animal protein. It challenges the kidneys and liver

in completely unnecessary ways.

>

> >>>Why than people in northern India which eat more meat and fat

have fewer disease than the more vag of the south?

> Alon

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " ilhan305 "

<ilhan305> wrote:

 

> I have damp heat in the bladder + intestines and Qi deficiency +

> dampness in the spleen.

 

How do you know this? Are you self-diagnosing? Is this info coming

from your practitioner?

 

 

> Wheat also bothers me a lot so I havent been

> eating wheat for about a year. What type of herbs do you think will

> be the most help, and what type of diet do I need?

 

To be frank with you and at the risk of not finding favour in my

constituents eyes, I think it would behoove you to get this

information from your practitioner in the Miami area. We all can

speculate about herbs, and diets etc. The fact is that until one has

taken a complete intake including the four methods of diagnosis, we

are playing a guessing game; not fair to you or to the profession.

By the language you employ, I suspect that you are either, a tcm

student, a practitioner, or been under the care of a tcm practitioner.

Do yourself a favor, follow Attilio's advice, find a local CM

practitioner.

 

Fernando

[Guest guest]

My practioner that was chinese and her english isnt that good told me

that it was a Spleen and Kidney Chi deficiency, but after my own

research I realized it was more a dampness and in fact damp heat

problem then a chi deficiency. She also gave me a couple of damp heat

clearing herbal formulas so I asume my main problem is dampness and

the herbs I buy from her are mainly damp clearing and they make me

feel better after I consume them. So thats my story.

 

Chinese Medicine , " fernando b. "

<fbernall@a...> wrote:

> Chinese Medicine , " ilhan305 "

> <ilhan305> wrote:

>

> > I have damp heat in the bladder + intestines and Qi deficiency +

> > dampness in the spleen.

>

> How do you know this? Are you self-diagnosing? Is this info coming

> from your practitioner?

>

>

> > Wheat also bothers me a lot so I havent been

> > eating wheat for about a year. What type of herbs do you think

will

> > be the most help, and what type of diet do I need?

>

> To be frank with you and at the risk of not finding favour in my

> constituents eyes, I think it would behoove you to get this

> information from your practitioner in the Miami area. We all can

> speculate about herbs, and diets etc. The fact is that until one

has

> taken a complete intake including the four methods of diagnosis, we

> are playing a guessing game; not fair to you or to the profession.

> By the language you employ, I suspect that you are either, a tcm

> student, a practitioner, or been under the care of a tcm

practitioner.

> Do yourself a favor, follow Attilio's advice, find a local CM

> practitioner.

>

> Fernando

[Guest guest]

> Being a vegeterian is the lastest change I would make on my diet.

 

My teacher said something that I have been to lazy to follow myself

but someone with more motivation may wanna heed this:

 

" Eat only what you can take from nature yourself

Want to eat potatoes? Can you cultivate and dig up and prepare?

Want to eat meat? Can you kill and prepare the animal you want to eat? "

 

Holger

[Guest guest]

How do you use saliva pH testing, except you test before you eat?

What does it communicate and how?

Holger

 

 

 

I agree about the way we eat making a difference. So many people

think just because they eat good food, they can do it at 100mph and it is

OK.

Yes, I do pH testing. I like to use both saliva and urine. As long

as you test the saliva before you eat, it gives a better base line for

general

pH. Keep in mind that since the body is a closed system. If your stomach

is

digesting food and acid, then the rest of the body is more basic.

Using urine pH the way you mentioned is great to test how the body is

responding to the food eaten, but it doesn't give you a base line of the

body

in general.

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

there ws some comment about south indians not eating

meat & being more sick.

i am not sure whether this correct overall. otherwise

south indians may have developed into meat eaters if

this was the cause.

but afw other things may matter.

1. meat is much more hot for the body. the hot weather

is not conducive to this kind of food.

2. the tropical climate is more prone to quick changes

in infection, etc. this may more than likely be the

cause of the problem.

another noticeable thing would be acute illnesses

would be more common in tropicl areas while chronic

illnesses will be more in colder climates.

anand

 

 

--- Emmanuel Segmen <susegmen wrote: >

Hi Holger,

>

> I could not agree with you more regarding what we

> eat! Also, Chris, you can check your urine pH. I

> make my students do this in physiology over the

> course of a week as they change their diet. If they

> are meat eaters, I ask them to shift to a vegan diet

> for a week and check the pH of the urine. It

> usually shifts from acid to neutral or basic.

> Reducing animal proteins to 15% of calories has been

> a prime directive in nutritional biochemistry for

> decades. Don't be fooled by current dietary regimes

> that call for higher percentages of animal protein.

> It challenges the kidneys and liver in completely

> unnecessary ways.

>

> Emmanuel Segmen

> Merritt College, Asia Natural

> -

> Holger Wendt

>

> I am impressed Chris

> i also believe it is what we eat (and how we eat

> it) that matters first

> ------

> > Also a lot of patients who have had

> information form other

> practitioners, make personal changes when they

> actually see what there

> lifestyle is doing to the blood.

> ------

> Do you check ph balance to? It seems to be a

> possible way to see

> what the lifestyle is doing to the balance in the

> body

> I have not begun yet with it but I just met a

> nurse who's whole life changed from unhealth to

> superhealth

> just by checking her ph-balance and adjusting what

> she ate

>

> peeing on a small piece of lacmus paper daily she

> could check

> how it changed depending on what food she ate.

>

> She stopped eating white refined wheat and pizza

> and such

> fast calories because it made her ph lower (down

> towards 5)

> and discovered that by eating more rootfruits etc

> it got closer to 7

> and with some ph calcium in addition she changed

> from sitting in a wheelchair to dancing, in just a

> month or two.

>

> Holger

> ---

> Let the games begin,

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2003 12:35:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

holger.wendt writes:

 

> " Eat only what you can take from nature yourself

> Want to eat potatoes? Can you cultivate and dig up and prepare?

> Want to eat meat? Can you kill and prepare the animal you want to eat? "

>

> Holger

>

 

This sounds like something an old world teacher would tell a student

to help that person get more in touch with their natural rhythm. Appropriate

for China 100years ago, but the USA now? For most people in our society, it

just doesn't wash.

One thing I have come to realize is that in many respects, life is a

bunch of compromises. You can't choose one thing without effecting other

things. We get to balance our spiritual, emotional, physical and financial

lives

together. If we spend an inordinate amount of time chasing after food, then it

will effect the other categories. Imagine calling into a high profile

business meeting to postpone due to the latest hunt? How long will you keep

that

job?

Also, many people could really use concentrated food sources or

nutrition that are simply not found in nature.

I think we get to take old world wisdom and learn how to adapt that to

our current life situations.

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2003 12:39:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

holger.wendt writes:

 

> How do you use saliva pH testing, except you test before you eat?

> What does it communicate and how?

> Holger

 

The saliva represents more closely the true pH of the blood and

tissue. Generally, most people agree that the optimum pH is around 6.8. The

reason

I don't rely on urine pH as a base line is the urine pH changes quickly

depending on what is eaten. A generally alkaline person can eat pizza and beer

and

the next morning the urine will show acid. A generally acidic person can eat

an alkaline meal or a bunch of coral calcium and the next morning the urine

will likely be alkaline. Urine pH shows the trend of what the food you eat

will do to your body pH. It doesn't tell you what your tissue pH is.

I had one patient who was told to urine pH was the way to go. He was

extremely acidic and then ate several alkaline meals. His urine pH jumped to

7 and he thought after a few meals, he was cured. There was as lot of

personal involvement in his ability to do that and was very proud of himself.

It

took a lot of persuading and gentle persuasion to get him to realize that he

still has a long way to go. He was very disappointed on many levels.

I like to use both Saliva and Urine to check the where a person is in

the pH scale and where they are likely to go if they continue the food they

choose.

Also, not all foods burn similarly in everybody. Testing urine pH

will help a person understand what foods are really helpful to them and which

are

not.

Did I cover it?

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

How do you use saliva pH testing, except you test before you eat?

What does it communicate and how?

>>>>Where is the data showing that having a neutral or alkaline urine or saliva

is better for one's health? and i am not talking about the result of

acidification due to disease. Where is the data that the body will " leach "

calcium to neutralize the acidity? From the reviews i have done i cant find

convincing evidence, mostly speculations.

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

cause of the problem.

another noticeable thing would be acute illnesses

would be more common in tropicl areas while chronic

illnesses will be more in colder climates.

>>>>>Actually if my memory serves me the data is on cardiovascular disease. The

whole movement towards Vag eating in the west started with the so called natural

diet study which started the whole movement towards margarine products etc.

Recent reviews of these early studies shows false interpretations of the data.

As we all know very well, especially in non controlled studies, one can find

almost anything one wants to. At this point, unfortunately, i thing we do not

know what are the best (if there is even a best) type of general diets. I think

the chinese concept of balance is certainly most likely to be the best for most

people. That however is again a bit vague.

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

The saliva represents more closely the true pH of the blood and

tissue.

 

In looking into 'metabolic typing' briefly some time ago I read that

alkaline saliva can also be produced to compensate for an overly acidic

body, and so be misleading?? We were going to start testing the horses, but

that stopped us. Is there any confirmatory data anywhere on this?

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2003 11:45:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Jackie writes:

 

> In looking into 'metabolic typing' briefly some time ago I read that

> alkaline saliva can also be produced to compensate for an overly acidic

> body, and so be misleading?? We were going to start testing the horses, but

> that stopped us. Is there any confirmatory data anywhere on this?

>

> Jackie

 

This is only if the person is in severe metabolic stress. Two

situations that I know of are if a person is in the last stages of response to

stress, the body will start to dump calcium which will show very alkaline. It

is an

extreme case that shows very alkaline.

Also, if there is kidney trouble, a body may hold on to potassium

which will also show very alkaline.

In either case, it is clear the person is under metabolic stress, the

pH numbers are way out of line so pH testing will show you that you need to

look further.

 

What form of metabolic testing were you looking into? What was the

name of the company involved?

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/26/2003 5:42:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

susegmen writes:

 

> I had one 106 year old female with an aorta as flexible as my own radial

> artery. My heart smiled in admiration and respect.

>

 

Have you any imsight into her life?

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Don't be fooled by current dietary regimes that call for higher percentages of

animal protein. It challenges the kidneys and liver in completely unnecessary

ways.

 

>>>Why than people in northern India which eat more meat and fat have fewer

disease than the more vag of the south?

Alon

 

Hi Alon,

 

I've been studying and teaching nutrition for nearly 20 years. Actually the

prime directives of the science have not changed since the 60s. All of the

literature is there, and I won't repeat it. My favorite text for teaching with

is called Perspectives of Nutrition by Wardlaw which is the one used at Stanford

and UCSF. You can pick it up at the UC bookstore or used from Amazon. The

prime directives are to reduce fat below 30% of total calories, below 20% for

those who are overweight. Reduce animal protein intake to below 15% of total

calories. Avoid refined carbohydrates as much as possible or completely.

Increase complex carbohydrates (think greens, mushrooms, etc.) to at least 55%

of total calories. This is like basic math. Unfortunately there's so much

marketing in America, even the simplest nutritional math is eclipsed by the

brilliance of advertising ... for example, Donna Shallala with a milk-moustache

in Time magazine. Atkins diet ads at the bottom of pages.

 

If you want to eat like a Tibetan and live in the San Francisco Bay area, we'll

check back when you're 65 to see how your blood pressure is doing. You could

certainly beat the odds by hiking in the East Bay Regional Parks hill country

every morning and evening and by taking a cholesterol lowering formula. Perhaps

you could herd goats in your spare time. Buy why not just change your food

selections? Of the 200+ cadavers I've worked on only two had abdominal aortas

that did not feel like porcelain at the bifurcation. I had one 106 year old

female with an aorta as flexible as my own radial artery. My heart smiled in

admiration and respect.

 

Emmanuel Segmen