Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 >I have to say that my experience with this is that I was taught this syndrome >not by that name however by Jeffrey Yuen many years ago in the oriental >medical training I received from him. Could you elaborate on what you were taught please Bobbi, both TCM syndrome differentiation and treatment? It seems your teacher might have been a rare bird. >I can often fill in the gaps in the studies where they say they don't know why something works Yes even I have been able to do that sometimes afer a short period of study - it's fascinating to be able to compare the two paradigms and fill in gaps. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 >>>>Are you saying most people with the potential to develop syndrome x have these symptoms? I'm afraid I have no idea - it's almost impossible to get to talk to them 10 years before they get Syndrome X! Though having said that, it would be very interesting to join a Syndrome X if there is one, and ask people about the earliest symptoms they recall. I don't have it - there are several sub-sections for insulin resistance syndromes - PCOS is another, and there is a connection with iron overload conditions. I suspect there are more manifestations than have yet been described. But that was certainly my experience, and the experience of my horses every summer. I recognised the pattern because I had the same, though 'Reavens', hypothyroidism and PCOS were ruled out at the time for me, with no alternative given. It took me 10 years to realise that 'normal' means 'no disease we can put a name too' in WM. 'Equine Metabolic Syndrome' is only just beginning to be defined by the vets some 12 years later. There are some interesting findings with unlikely drugs on that score coming out - cortisol blockers and seratonin antagonists. But does it sound like a spleen syndrome? I am still unsure how to differentiate between spleen not supporting kidney and kidney not supporting spleen. There may be more than one aetiology. Are all your diabetes patients presenting kidney yin deficiency? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Hi! Thanks for Emmanuel's kind words and works. It hasn't been easy to practice in Hopkins Internal Medicine clinic. All of my CM patients came to me through words of mouth. It's an honor for me to be the frontier in the US, but I just try to practice the model which have been working well in Taiwan. The major medical centers in Taiwan which provide WM and CM. It's a collaborate system. National health insurance also pay for the CM. Ta-Ya Lee, CRNP, LAc >>> alonmarcus 08/25/03 12:33PM >>> My own wife is moving along a path similar to Ta-Ya Lee, both an LAc and an MSN nurse practitioner. It's our hope that she will have gained some of the benefits of fitting into the current medical system and yet allowing some of her own classical Chinese culture to shine through the CM side of her practice. This is our current strategy. Ta-Ya Lee seems to have successfully pulled this off. Bravo, Dr. Lee! It's interesting to me that both my wife and Ta-Ya Lee come from the same part of southern Taiwan. >>>>Emmanuel thans for you kind words. i think it is very possible even these days. She should do well and hopefully by example influence those around her Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 My own wife is moving along a path similar to Ta-Ya Lee, both an LAc and an MSN nurse practitioner. It's our hope that she will have gained some of the benefits of fitting into the current medical system and yet allowing some of her own classical Chinese culture to shine through the CM side of her practice. This is our current strategy. Ta-Ya Lee seems to have successfully pulled this off. Bravo, Dr. Lee! It's interesting to me that both my wife and Ta-Ya Lee come from the same part of southern Taiwan. >>>>Emmanuel thans for you kind words. i think it is very possible even these days. She should do well and hopefully by example influence those around her Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 From the perspective of student and patient, the least helpful practitioners are the ones who arrogantly dismiss the knowledge contained in the other paradigm. They limit their potential unecessarily in my view, their attitude is not only detrimental to their cause, but their ability to fulfill their role as 'healer'. >>>>Not only that, the problem is more that they cant see outside their own narrow point of view. They are the same as MDs that choose to not study the evidence for alternative med. They disease from ignorance and with their loud barking they do not even realize how dumb they sound Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Are all your diabetes patients presenting kidney yin deficiency? >>>No Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Are all your diabetes patients presenting kidney yin deficiency? >>>No .. What other patterns do you find responsible? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Without barking too loud Alon, may I ask if you received the GIF you requested last week, and if so could you make anything of the script ? I have heard it does not come out as a very good copy and am prepared to enhance the image 'at this end' and resend if I get any feedback. Same qusestion to Anand if he is reading this. Sammy. ALON MARCUS [alonmarcus] 25 August 2003 17:38 Chinese Medicine ; Cc: Chinese Traditional Medicine Re: Re: Pracitioners teaching western doctors... From the perspective of student and patient, the least helpful practitioners are the ones who arrogantly dismiss the knowledge contained in the other paradigm. They limit their potential unecessarily in my view, their attitude is not only detrimental to their cause, but their ability to fulfill their role as 'healer'. >>>>Not only that, the problem is more that they cant see outside their own narrow point of view. They are the same as MDs that choose to not study the evidence for alternative med. They disease from ignorance and with their loud barking they do not even realize how dumb they sound Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 may I ask if you received the GIF you requested last week, >>>I did not see it Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 What other patterns do you find responsible? Jackie >>>I see a lot of excess, Phlegm and blood stasis with some patients having Sp symptoms some having K or H and some all. Many however do not have clear organ symptoms and I have to rely of pulse to assume such a problem' Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 That is an ambiguous whisper, Alon. >>>I did not see it Did you receive it? If you received it, did you view it ? If you viewed it, did you see anything ? How about you Anand? Sam. ALON MARCUS [alonmarcus] 26 August 2003 01:31 Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Pracitioners teaching western doctors... may I ask if you received the GIF you requested last week, >>>I did not see it Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 I've actually moved the picture of the Pi needle. Below is the link to the folder where it is contained. http://photos.Chinese Medicine/lst?.dir=/Acup\ uncture & .src=gr & .order= & .view=t & .done=http%3a//briefcase./ Atti ga.bates wrote: That is an ambiguous whisper, Alon. >>>I did not see it Did you receive it? If you received it, did you view it ? If you viewed it, did you see anything ? How about you Anand? Sam. ALON MARCUS [alonmarcus] 26 August 2003 01:31 Chinese Medicine Re: Re: Pracitioners teaching western doctors... may I ask if you received the GIF you requested last week, >>>I did not see it Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 >>>I see a lot of excess, Phlegm and blood stasis with some patients having >Sp symptoms some having K or H and some all. Many however do not have >clear organ symptoms and I have to rely of pulse to assume such a problem' Interesting - no liver qi stagnation or liver yin deficiency? There are certainly some vascular effects that are hard to 'see' it seems, even with expert 'pulse takers', factors that are not apparent in the tongue either. I think unusual circulatory problems are a huge factor in treating IR syndromes. The researchers (western and chinese) have lately been looking at endothelin and nitric oxide pathways a lot. These are involved with vasoconstriction, which occurs according to insulin concentration (when vasodilation is what is supposed to happen normally). That was the genesis of the use of Jiao Gu Lan with the horses - it directly stimulates eNOS release and for many can make a huge difference to micro-circulation. For some however I think it causes Lv stagnation or yang problems - some horses get really aggressive or hyper on it, two have foundered. I'll make a post of some of the papers I have found on the subject - I need to find someone who has access to such research, and can transate it. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 hi sammy, i have not recd the gif file. can you please send it in word doc form. i shall then reply after reading. anand --- ga.bates wrote: > That is an ambiguous whisper, Alon. > > >>>I did not see it > > Did you receive it? > > If you received it, did you view it ? > > If you viewed it, did you see anything ? > > How about you Anand? > > Sam. > > ALON MARCUS [alonmarcus] > 26 August 2003 01:31 > Chinese Medicine > Re: Re: > Pracitioners teaching western > doctors... > > > may I ask if you received the GIF you > requested last week, > >>>I did not see it > Alon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 still cant see the pi needle, too light Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 I sent it Anand. Anyhow, I will upload a better version to Attilio's Files when I have time to improve the original image. Sammy. anand bapat [acubapat] 27 August 2003 12:43 Chinese Medicine RE: Re: Pracitioners teaching western doctors... hi sammy, i have not recd the gif file. can you please send it in word doc form. i shall then reply after reading. anand --- ga.bates wrote: > That is an ambiguous whisper, Alon. > > >>>I did not see it > > Did you receive it? > > If you received it, did you view it ? > > If you viewed it, did you see anything ? > > How about you Anand? > > Sam. > > ALON MARCUS [alonmarcus] > 26 August 2003 01:31 > Chinese Medicine > Re: Re: > Pracitioners teaching western > doctors... > > > may I ask if you received the GIF you > requested last week, > >>>I did not see it > Alon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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