Acupuncture supplies

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Dear Dagmar, Shane, Victoria, etc.,

 

I am looking at the latest catalog for Lhasa Medical Supplies

(www.LhasaMedical.com), and I find several items I have questions about.

 

1) There are many types of acupuncture needles --- DBC and TAKI (Korean),

Detox HUA-XIA (?Japanese pipe style), HWA-TO (Chinese), HUA-XIA

(Chinese), and SEIRIN. Is there an appreciable difference between these

needle types? Why do some needles appear to be used mainly for Detox?

 

2) There are acupellets, tack needles, and press needles (very small

needles attached to sticky pads). Do these work as well as the

traditional 1 1/2 inch needles? They look like they might be a used as a

blend between acupuncture and acupressure.

 

3) Laser pens and Cupping jars are available. I assume these are used

instead of needles by some practitioners?

 

4) There are several electronic instruments which appear to change color

or sound when you are over the precise acupuncture point. Are these

helpful, or hype?

 

Thanks.

 

 

Sam

 

 

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Sam,

 

1) There are many types of acupuncture needles --- DBC and TAKI (Korean),

Detox HUA-XIA (?Japanese pipe style), HWA-TO (Chinese), HUA-XIA

(Chinese), and SEIRIN. Is there an appreciable difference between these

needle types? Why do some needles appear to be used mainly for Detox?

 

I prefer the Japanese Needles they appear to be sharper and I like the way they

glide in. I really like the DBC 10 to a pack with one insertion tube. Plus they

are cost effective.

Chinese needles I like the least they are not as smooth. Now for a beginner I

recommend

the Seirins that is what we use on kids because they appear more gentle. We use

detox

needles at the hospital but not any offered in your catalog. They are good for

ear points.

Now for face points and some hand I use the Seirin reds (½ inch). Are you using

an

insertion tube or are you manual inserting. Most people I know use tubes

because they are

more comfortable and easier to insert. Now many of the M.D. that I know do not.

But that

is because they were trained differently. To my knowledge only masters insert

without tubes.

Detox HUA-XIA I did not like these at all and I insert hundreds of detox needles

a week.

 

2) There are acupellets, tack needles, and press needles (very small

needles attached to sticky pads).

 

Tacks I use in the ears and on hand and foot points when there is arthritis in

joints. Plus

if an area needs additional stimulation beyond the treatment. Never more than 6

days and

then remove them if they do not fall off. They can get infected so watch them

closely. Now

the press balls I use in the same way. I also use them on Shen Men in the ear

for my 5 yr old

this calms him way down. It has been proven to aid in ADHD and ADD kids without

the use

of Ritalin.

 

3) Laser pens and Cupping jars are available. I assume these are used

instead of needles by some practitioners?

 

Never used a laser pen but I do love the cupping jars a lot, that is a whole

other discussion.

Dagmar has far more experience than I maybe she can recommend some things to

you.

Now I would probably use cups on the woman that you have talked about. At some

point.

 

4) There are several electronic instruments which appear to change color

or sound when you are over the precise acupuncture point. Are these

helpful, or hype?

 

Point finders: hummmmmmmmmmmm prior to learning acupuncture I got one and

thought that I could not live without it. I was told that I would be able to

feel the points

but did not believe it. Mine is now in a drawer collecting dust. Now mine will

stimulate

points also so sometimes I will use on needle phobic people. The stimulation

devices are

nice to have when you need one. I have don’t use mine a lot but am happy to

have when I

do. Mine is small and portable and does a nice job I forget the name but it is

in the catalog.

Around $165.00 last I checked.

 

Hope this helps

Shane

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Shane writes:

 

> I prefer the Japanese Needles they appear to be sharper and I like

> the way they glide in. <snip> Chinese needles I like the least they are

not as smooth.

 

Do the Chinese have manufacturing plants that are not quite as good as

the Japanese plants...or do the Chinese just prefer their needles to be

less sharp?

 

> We use detox needles at the hospital but not any offered in your

catalog.

 

I'm curious --- how do detox needles differ from the other needles?

 

> Tacks I use in the ears and on hand and foot points when there is

> arthritis in joints.

 

Is there an advantage of tacks over needles for an individual treatment

session?

 

> Now the press balls I use in the same way.

 

Why are balls used vs tacks vs needles vs cupping jars? Aren't they all

in theory supposed to stimulate the same acupuncture points and thus do

the same things?

 

> Point finders: hummmmmmmmmmmm prior to learning acupuncture I got

> one and thought that I could not live without it. I was told that I

> would be able to feel the points

> but did not believe it. Mine is now in a drawer collecting dust.

 

I'm still waiting on that other book from interlibrary loan, but might I

ask about point detection?

 

How small are these points? The Acupressure Potent Points book and the

acupuncture books I have give instructions for locating the points...but

the diagrams seem to point you to the general vicinity. Are the points

large enough that one can be effective just getting the needle (or the

pressure) in the vicinity? Or are they so small that they are easy to

miss?

 

I've read that you know you are in the right area when the patient feels

a certain type of sensation. So if you insert a needle and the patient

doesn't feel it...do you take the needle out and re-insert?

 

 

Sam, who thinks a point locator might be essential for him! <g>

 

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Sam writes:

 

Do the Chinese have manufacturing plants that are not quite as good as

the Japanese plants...or do the Chinese just prefer their needles to be

less sharp?

 

I really have no idea why this is. Actually it really is a personal preference.

Maybe you would like the Chinese needles I gave all of mine a way.

 

I'm curious --- how do detox needles differ from the other needles?

 

They are just short no real difference.

 

Is there an advantage of tacks over needles for an individual treatment

session?

 

Depends on the situation. I have used them for heel spurs and arthritis and

they seem to work well after a treatment. It just depends on the person.

 

Why are balls used vs tacks vs needles vs cupping jars? Aren't they all

in theory supposed to stimulate the same acupuncture points and thus do

the same things?

 

Yes you are trying to achieve he same result but if you have someone that is

needle phobic you could use the balls. I use them on my son (5yrs old) so

Child Protective Services does not show up wanting to know why I am

sticking him with things. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. On the other hand with

cupping you can work a whole meridian say on the back. The stimulation

in my opinion lasts longer. Cupping and Gua Sha bring things to the surface

and release them. I personally believe that it is quicker. But I really only

use

on patients that are strong enough to handle it. I probably would not do on

a weak person.

 

How small are these points?. Are the pointslarge enough that one

can be effective just getting the needle (or the

pressure) in the vicinity? Or are they so small that they are easy to

miss?

 

Again it depends some points are larger than others. The Deadman book has

great pictures and land marks to find the points. I know you don’t believe this

but you will be able to feel the points if you stick with it. “ Luke follow the

force

it is inside of you” LOL LOL LOL LOL Sometimes the patient will have a

sensation in the area other times not. I have found that especially chemically

dependant people are pretty numb. Rarely do I re-insert the needle and I

never use the same needle always a new one. I prefer to add a needle vs taking

out and re-inserting depends on where it is at.

 

Sam, who thinks a point locator might be essential for him! <g>

 

Save your money and buy a book on theory LOL LOL LOL