soy milk

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I think my biggest vegetarian accomplishment is that I weaned myself slowly off cow's milk (which was a miracle, considering I used to often drink a full gallon of milk a day!) and onto soy milk. I've been on it for about 6 mos now and while that's kind of a short time, I haven't noticed any probs or changes.OK, I've blabbered long enuf now lol )(Can I use that loopy brain disclaimer one more day??)

Ha...why not??!! **wink**

 

Ok...that is another thing too. the vegetarian thing..gotta wean..trying VERY hard to do that...just raised carnivorously...who knew? FDA..but another story. Ok...organic Soy milk...would a place like Trader Joe's have that? I am still rather stumped on the whole organic thing. Anyone have a FArmer's Market where they shop? Is that considered organic? I realize growingyour own insures, but at this time, it is impossible for me, I am in someone else's home, but any info would be greatly appreciated!!! Hugs...Thanks again...Love..

BlazeTrue health starts with the mind and manifests in the body...

[Guest guest]

I guess that is good to hear, I am REALLY worried, that I have been

giving my two biys ages 5 and 7 soy milk for over a year now. I am

really scared that I have caused something by doing that.

I went out looking for almond milk today and I cannot find any, I

saw some rice milk, but it has not vitamins and only 2% calcium. I

really don't know what I can do at this point. I went on the

website soyinfo.com and although it has a lot of bad articles it

also has a lot of good one, so WHO DO YOU BELIEVE??

 

Marcela

 

herbal remedies , *~*Blaze*~*

<obsidianblaze@s...> wrote:

> I think my

> biggest vegetarian accomplishment is that I weaned myself slowly

off

> cow's milk (which was a miracle, considering I used to often drink

a

> full gallon of milk a day!) and onto soy milk. I've been on it for

> about 6 mos now and while that's kind of a short time, I haven't

> noticed any probs or changes.

>

> OK, I've blabbered long enuf now lol )

> (Can I use that loopy brain disclaimer one more day??)

>

> Ha...why not??!! **wink**

>

> Ok...that is another thing too. the vegetarian thing..gotta

wean..trying VERY hard to do that...just raised carnivorously...who

knew? FDA..but another story. Ok...organic Soy milk...would a

place like Trader Joe's have that? I am still rather stumped on the

whole organic thing. Anyone have a FArmer's Market where they

shop? Is that considered organic? I realize growingyour own

insures, but at this time, it is impossible for me, I am in someone

else's home, but any info would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hugs...Thanks again...Love..

> Blaze

>

>

> True health starts with the mind and manifests in the body...

[Guest guest]

Calcium can be found in a wide range of vegitables. It does not need to come from cow's milk. The same with the vitamins. There is just too much negative in what is being passed off as cow's milk in the stores for it to be responsibly used. There are other options. Do an internet search using the keywords "calcium" and "vegitables", and see what you find.

 

Johnmarce0313 <marcelaweiland wrote:

I guess that is good to hear, I am REALLY worried, that I have been giving my two biys ages 5 and 7 soy milk for over a year now. I am really scared that I have caused something by doing that.I went out looking for almond milk today and I cannot find any, I saw some rice milk, but it has not vitamins and only 2% calcium. I really don't know what I can do at this point. I went on the website soyinfo.com and although it has a lot of bad articles it also has a lot of good one, so WHO DO YOU BELIEVE??Marcela

 

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I went on the website soyinfo.com and although it has a lot of bad articles it also has a lot of good one, so WHO DO YOU BELIEVE??Marcela

That sweetie, is the million dollar question!!! I don't think you have done anything wrong...either way, gotta beat cow's milk!! As for the rice and almond...I know there are ways to make almond milk yourself...maybe in the files? I have one printed from another site somewhere, if I find it, I will put it there. Rice I used for my asthmatic daughter that felt so deprived, no milk, no ice cream...so, substituted. It is hard to tell what to believe, so many special interest groups out there..more like self interest, at the expense of humanity. But, I like Jen's take..all in moderation....but, does anyone know another good source of calcium? You could try supplementing with some sort of protein mixture that ahs calcium...make a shake or some sort of smoothie, but then again, we are right back to "what is REALLY in it"??? I would love any and all info! Love...

BlazeTrue health starts with the mind and manifests in the body...

[Guest guest]

Hiya Marcela & Blaze,

Blaze, to do the organic thing, you're in So Cali, right? Cali is

sort of known (at least around here in TX) for its health food and

trendstarting. Y'all seem to be pretty progressive in general. I

would not doubt that you'd find health food stores, whether they're

chains or mom & pop. Big ones here that we've heard of at least on a

semi-national level are Whole Foods Market and Wild Oats Market. If

you see farmer's markets, they're often a good bet, but stop & talk

to 'em. Ask if the person doing the selling actually was or at least

personally knows the grower of the food, and maybe ask them how it

was grown and what seeds were used and if any pesticides were used

and stuff like that. Another idea is to buy your groceries from a

local co-op. I've heard great things about those and I've heard they

don't bastardize food as much as the main grocery chains do, if ya

know what I mean.

Marcela, there's an almond milk recipe in the files. I think it's

as simple as throwing a quarter cup of raw organic almonds (after

having soaked them for 8 hrs, ideally in distilled/reverse-osmosis

water) and a 1 cup of said water in a blender, blend like hell for 2

min. Can add raw honey and vanilla for flavor. If the nut bits bother

you, you can strain and then drink.

It's tough to know who to believe on soy milk, I try to (in this

order) listen to all sides, check their arguments against common

sense to see if it sounds plausible, do further checking, experiment

on my own with the best I can find, pay attention to any effects,

continue to research and continue to experiment with any new

findings, etc. It's an ongoing process. I always have my eyes peeled

and my ears open for new data. But then research is my obsession, so

take me with the appropriate grain of salt lol

Rice (and rice products) SEEM to me to be devoid of nutrients,

unless it is brown rice. Anything less than brown rice (which is the

whole grain version) is horrible. Brown rice is much better than

white but still lacks when compared to other grains, as far as I can

tell (anyone with better info plz enlighten me) For example, I

have a box of all-good brown rice cereal and a box of all-good

shredded wheat cereal and the wheat packed a much bigger nutritional

punch in the same serving size than the brown rice did. But that's

just my observation. If I'm wrong, you know the drill

 

Hope that helps

--Jen

 

herbal remedies , " marce0313 "

<marcelaweiland@h...> wrote:

> I guess that is good to hear, I am REALLY worried, that I have been

> giving my two biys ages 5 and 7 soy milk for over a year now. I am

> really scared that I have caused something by doing that.

> I went out looking for almond milk today and I cannot find any, I

> saw some rice milk, but it has not vitamins and only 2% calcium. I

> really don't know what I can do at this point. I went on the

> website soyinfo.com and although it has a lot of bad articles it

> also has a lot of good one, so WHO DO YOU BELIEVE??

>

> Marcela

>

> herbal remedies , *~*Blaze*~*

> <obsidianblaze@s...> wrote:

> > I think my

> > biggest vegetarian accomplishment is that I weaned myself slowly

> off

> > cow's milk (which was a miracle, considering I used to often

drink

> a

> > full gallon of milk a day!) and onto soy milk. I've been on it

for

> > about 6 mos now and while that's kind of a short time, I haven't

> > noticed any probs or changes.

> >

> > OK, I've blabbered long enuf now lol )

> > (Can I use that loopy brain disclaimer one more day??)

> >

> > Ha...why not??!! **wink**

> >

> > Ok...that is another thing too. the vegetarian thing..gotta

> wean..trying VERY hard to do that...just raised carnivorously...who

> knew? FDA..but another story. Ok...organic Soy milk...would a

> place like Trader Joe's have that? I am still rather stumped on

the

> whole organic thing. Anyone have a FArmer's Market where they

> shop? Is that considered organic? I realize growingyour own

> insures, but at this time, it is impossible for me, I am in someone

> else's home, but any info would be greatly appreciated!!!

> Hugs...Thanks again...Love..

> > Blaze

> >

> >

> > True health starts with the mind and manifests in the body...

[Guest guest]

Hey Marcela,

 

Almond milk is very easy to make. And if you are worried about your boys getting calcium, make up some lemon egg. You will find the recipe in the files. They will probably love it.

 

Just because the box says GMO free only means that their soybean field doesn't have any GMO crops growing. However, the guy next door might be growing all GMO soybeans. Do you see where I am going with this? There is no absolute proof that the soy milk you are buying is 100% GMO free.

 

Don Quai

 

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marce0313

herbal remedies

Tuesday, January 06, 2004 1:41 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: soy milk

 

I guess that is good to hear, I am REALLY worried, that I have been giving my two biys ages 5 and 7 soy milk for over a year now. I am

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Lemon Egg for calcium. The best source you will find bar none.

 

Don Quai

 

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*~*Blaze*~*

herbal remedies

Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:14 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: soy milk

 

But, I like Jen's take..all in moderation....but, does anyone know another good source of calcium? You could try supplementing with some sort of protein mixture that ahs calcium...make a shake or some sort of smoothie, but then again, we are right back to "what is REALLY in it"??? I would love any and all info! Love...

Blaze

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Here is an Almond Milk recipe from another website.

You could also add vanilla to it too, I tried that with this mornings

mix. Tastes Great.

 

Almond Milk

 

Courtesy of RAW Restaurant, San Francisco

 

1 Part Almonds

4 Parts water & Blend

 

 

To activate almonds, soak overnight, pour off water & follow recipe

above.

 

For a delicious smoothie add: frozen fruit & pure maple syrup

 

herbal remedies , *~*Blaze*~*

<obsidianblaze@s...> wrote:

> I went on the

> website soyinfo.com and although it has a lot of bad articles it

> also has a lot of good one, so WHO DO YOU BELIEVE??

>

> Marcela

>

> That sweetie, is the million dollar question!!! I don't think you

have done anything wrong...either way, gotta beat cow's milk!! As

for the rice and almond...I know there are ways to make almond milk

yourself...maybe in the files? .....snip

[Guest guest]

Soy has never been approved for human consumption. It can not be used as an

animal food because animals do not thrive properly on it. Instead it causes

early adult stages. Eg in birds they form adult coloured feathers at eg 9

months of age when they should have juvenile feathers. Causes early onset

of puberty in girls - 7 to 9 years of age. Causes sexual dysfunction in

boys and impaired development of genitals. Causes the feminising of men -

low sperm count, no sperm count. The worst offender is the improver used in

bread making. This gives anyone a regular small dose of female oestrogen

every time they eat bread - which causes eg the feminising of men etc. [Ref:

Soyonline A NZ group]

 

The best milk for a baby is coconut milk which is almost identical to human

milk. [Easy to look up Ref: Mary Enig.]

 

Judith

[Guest guest]

Hiya Marcela & Blaze, Blaze, to do the organic thing, you're in So Cali, right? Cali is sort of known (at least around here in TX) for its health food and trendstarting. Y'all seem to be pretty progressive in general. I would not doubt that you'd find health food stores, whether they're chains or mom & pop. Big ones here that we've heard of at least on a semi-national level are Whole Foods Market and Wild Oats Market.

 

~~Well, that is true, but I am limited in locales...car is out of commission, but I am close to Trader Joe's and Simply Wholesome and they are VERY similar as far as products go.

 

 

If you see farmer's markets, they're often a good bet, but stop & talk to 'em. Ask if the person doing the selling actually was or at least personally knows the grower of the food, and maybe ask them how it was grown and what seeds were used and if any pesticides were used and stuff like that. Another idea is to buy your groceries from a local co-op. I've heard great things about those and I've heard they don't bastardize food as much as the main grocery chains do, if ya know what I mean.

 

~~Now I like that idea!!! Need to get elbow close to my soon to be suppliers...LOL ;-D

Marcela, there's an almond milk recipe in the files. I think it's as simple as throwing a quarter cup of raw organic almonds (after having soaked them for 8 hrs, ideally in distilled/reverse-osmosis water) and a 1 cup of said water in a blender, blend like hell for 2 min. Can add raw honey and vanilla for flavor. If the nut bits bother you, you can strain and then drink. It's tough to know who to believe on soy milk, I try to (in this order) listen to all sides, check their arguments against common sense to see if it sounds plausible, do further checking, experiment on my own with the best I can find, pay attention to any effects, continue to research and continue to experiment with any new findings, etc. It's an ongoing process. I always have my eyes peeled and my ears open for new data. But then research is my obsession, so take me with the appropriate grain of salt lol

 

~~Ha, ME TOO!!! LOL

Rice (and rice products) SEEM to me to be devoid of nutrients, unless it is brown rice. Anything less than brown rice (which is the whole grain version) is horrible. Brown rice is much better than white but still lacks when compared to other grains, as far as I can tell (anyone with better info plz enlighten me) For example, I have a box of all-good brown rice cereal and a box of all-good shredded wheat cereal and the wheat packed a much bigger nutritional punch in the same serving size than the brown rice did. But that's just my observation. If I'm wrong, you know the drill :)Hope that helps --Jen

~~It really did...thanks Jen!!!True health starts with the mind and manifests in the body...

[Guest guest]

Lemon Egg for calcium. The best source you will find bar none.

 

Thanks Don....any more info on the eggshell use as opposed to the whole egg?? Thanks again....Love...

BlazeTrue health starts with the mind and manifests in the body...

[Guest guest]

Back to my point. Who do you believe!!

 

Unfortunately because the sales of soy products, especially soy milk

have sky rocketed in the last 5 years, the cow's milk industry had

to do something to try to get some business back, so some of these

articles are an attempt to scare people and get them to consume

their SH$@@$#!!!!

 

 

 

herbal remedies , Persian <persian13@i...>

wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 08:34:11 +1030, Judith Thamm wrote:

> >

> > Soy has never been approved for human consumption. It can not

be used as an

> > animal food because animals do not thrive properly on it.

Instead it causes

> > early adult stages. Eg in birds they form adult coloured

feathers at eg 9

> > months of age when they should have juvenile feathers. Causes

early onset

> > of puberty in girls - 7 to 9 years of age. Causes sexual

dysfunction in

> > boys and impaired development of genitals. Causes the

feminising of men -

> > low sperm count, no sperm count. The worst offender is the

improver used in

> > bread making. This gives anyone a regular small dose of female

oestrogen

> > every time they eat bread - which causes eg the feminising of

men etc. [Ref:

> > Soyonline A NZ group]

> >

>

> I would like to see the proof of all this!! I know several vegan

families in

> Australia that have only ever had soy and none of their kids, now

adults

> have ANY of these problems.

> Persian

[Guest guest]

That's a great point, Persian

That sounds like Dr. Mary Enig rhetoric to me. She may be right,

but she does seem to have a personal vendetta against soy in

particular. She is said to have studied it extensively. But there are

many other studies on soy milk that don't trash soy NEARLY so much

and they're not funded by or associated with any particular group,

thus they don't have a vested interest in the public's perception of

soy one way or the other. It makes Enig et al look suspicious. Maybe

she's quite reputable, but what I've seen from her so far hasn't

impressed me much. She seems more alarmist than anything... But

that's just my opinion.

 

Peace,

--Jeni Laura

 

herbal remedies , Persian <persian13@i...>

wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 08:34:11 +1030, Judith Thamm wrote:

> >

> > Soy has never been approved for human consumption. It can not be

used as an

> > animal food because animals do not thrive properly on it.

Instead it causes

> > early adult stages. Eg in birds they form adult coloured

feathers at eg 9

> > months of age when they should have juvenile feathers. Causes

early onset

> > of puberty in girls - 7 to 9 years of age. Causes sexual

dysfunction in

> > boys and impaired development of genitals. Causes the feminising

of men -

> > low sperm count, no sperm count. The worst offender is the

improver used in

> > bread making. This gives anyone a regular small dose of female

oestrogen

> > every time they eat bread - which causes eg the feminising of men

etc. [Ref:

> > Soyonline A NZ group]

> >

>

> I would like to see the proof of all this!! I know several vegan

families in

> Australia that have only ever had soy and none of their kids, now

adults

> have ANY of these problems.

> Persian

[Guest guest]

Causes early onsetof puberty in girls - 7 to 9 years of age.

 

Hi Judith...seems everyone gets the wrong info, eh? Well, I knew soy had a high hormone count, but my goodness!! And the cow's milk has high synthetic hormones...in my case the formula (baby), my daughter hit puberty at 8 wo I do agree with that, and physically, is adult in ALL ways of imagination but only 12!!! She was allergic to milk products and I didn't do soy then, so it must have been the formula and the meat, but that is a preliminary call. Goddess, more research!!! Thanks for the info!! Love...

BlazeTrue health starts with the mind and manifests in the body...

[Guest guest]

As in you just wanting to use only the egg shell without wasting any egg?

 

Don Quai

 

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*~*Blaze*~*

herbal remedies

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:20 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: soy milk

 

 

Lemon Egg for calcium. The best source you will find bar none.

 

Thanks Don....any more info on the eggshell use as opposed to the whole egg?? Thanks again....Love...

Blaze

 

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On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 08:34:11 +1030, Judith Thamm wrote:

>

> Soy has never been approved for human consumption. It can not be used as an

> animal food because animals do not thrive properly on it. Instead it causes

> early adult stages. Eg in birds they form adult coloured feathers at eg 9

> months of age when they should have juvenile feathers. Causes early onset

> of puberty in girls - 7 to 9 years of age. Causes sexual dysfunction in

> boys and impaired development of genitals. Causes the feminising of men -

> low sperm count, no sperm count. The worst offender is the improver used in

> bread making. This gives anyone a regular small dose of female oestrogen

> every time they eat bread - which causes eg the feminising of men etc. [Ref:

> Soyonline A NZ group]

>

 

I would like to see the proof of all this!! I know several vegan families in

Australia that have only ever had soy and none of their kids, now adults

have ANY of these problems.

Persian

[Guest guest]

Well Anna,

 

I know that organic eggs can get a bit pricey and the lemons kind of shrink this time of year. However, You get really nice tasting eggs afterwards. Just use em raw. They really taste good with that little bit of lemon juice that osmoted to the inside of the egg. Or, you could be an experiementer and try it the other way with just the shell. I do believe that Doc mentions that using the whole egg works best though. Course, you could take the shell, after scrubbing the egg and drying the shell (after removing the innards) and grinding it up and placing in organic acv. I am doing this but I will warn you, the acv doesn't taste anywhere as good as the lemon egg. You still get the calcium but lose the taste.

 

Don Quai

 

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DrCrandall

herbal remedies

Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:32 AM

RE: [herbal remedies] Re: soy milk

 

 

<<<< As in you just wanting to use only the egg shell without wasting any egg?

 

Don Quai >>>>

 

Yes, that's what I'd like to do 'cause eggs are really expensive and the lemons this time of year are really tiny. But, if the whole egg is what makes it work then so be it. I'd rather spend my money at the HFS then.....well, I used to say then at the M.D.'s but after being on this list I can't really think what I'd go to them for anymore except for a broken bone, Oh! I've come full circle LOL.

 

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Lemon Egg is not a tincture. Alcohol is not acidic and will not dissolve the calcium that is in the shell. ACV and Lemon juice will. You only let it sit for 48 hours and then remove the eggs (very gently) and then bottle, refrigerate and enjoy organic calcium.

 

Don Quai

 

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marce0313

herbal remedies

Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:13 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: soy milk

 

Is that like a tincture? Do you let it sit for 2 weeks, or just 24 to 48 hours. Could you do it with Vodka and just the egg shells or it has to be with ACV as an alternative to the lemon egg?

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