Speaking of Beans....Karl Loren and others say this, and I disagree!

[Guest guest]

THIS is nutty, from Karl Loren's Health Site:

 

" Most people in the US, if you looked into their toilets, would

have " sinkers rather than floaters! " In other words, if your food

and digestion are proper, the stool will float in the toilet water,

will be light in color, will be soft, but well-formed (not watery)

and will NOT have a foul smell. How many people do you suppose

have " proper stool? " "

 

My stools NEVER float.

My stools VARY in color.

And I ALWAYS have " foul smelling " stools.

 

My stools vary in color, depending on what I have been eating. If I

have been eating a lot of dark green leafies, my stool will be DARK

green-brown. I eat a 75 to 80% vegetarian diet---lots of high bulk,

low-carb, nutrient-rich stuff. I eat some wild fish, organic chicken

and a little organic beef.

 

Stools SMELL FOUL. THAT is why I defecate into the toilet, and NOT

into a sachet. I could drink perfume and eat hand soap and my stools

would STILL smell " foul. "

 

One other thing I have read here and there is that " if a person is

eating and drinking correctly, they will have no need to use toilet

paper. "

 

Sorry. That one doesn't work for me either. Very occasionally all

goes perfectly, but 99.9% of the time I do need toilet paper or a

bidet---something, anyway!

 

I have also read, in " Balch & Balch, " that certain dis-eases

cause " foul-smelling " stools. A very strange symptom indeed....

 

I think, if one made " consistently light-colored, floating " non-foul

smelling stools " one's main health indicator, one could spend 1000

years trying and still not get it right.

 

Blessed wishes,

 

Elliot

[Guest guest]

I agree with you about this, Elliot. My experience is like yours.

 

Mercola has also said that stools should float. It would be nice to know

why " experts " say these things.

 

I agree that bowel movements should be almost effortless. But if I'm eating

garlic, ginger, onions, asparagus... things are pretty foul smelling. And

the colour changes all the time depending on what I eat. Especially beet juice!

 

David

 

At 09:57 AM 5/27/2004, you wrote:

 

>THIS is nutty, from Karl Loren's Health Site:

>

> " Most people in the US, if you looked into their toilets, would

>have " sinkers rather than floaters! " In other words, if your food

>and digestion are proper, the stool will float in the toilet water,

>will be light in color, will be soft, but well-formed (not watery)

>and will NOT have a foul smell. How many people do you suppose

>have " proper stool? " "

>

>My stools NEVER float.

>My stools VARY in color.

>And I ALWAYS have " foul smelling " stools.

>

>My stools vary in color, depending on what I have been eating. If I

>have been eating a lot of dark green leafies, my stool will be DARK

>green-brown. I eat a 75 to 80% vegetarian diet---lots of high bulk,

>low-carb, nutrient-rich stuff. I eat some wild fish, organic chicken

>and a little organic beef.

>

>Stools SMELL FOUL. THAT is why I defecate into the toilet, and NOT

>into a sachet. I could drink perfume and eat hand soap and my stools

>would STILL smell " foul. "

>

>One other thing I have read here and there is that " if a person is

>eating and drinking correctly, they will have no need to use toilet

>paper. "

>

>Sorry. That one doesn't work for me either. Very occasionally all

>goes perfectly, but 99.9% of the time I do need toilet paper or a

>bidet---something, anyway!

>

>I have also read, in " Balch & Balch, " that certain dis-eases

>cause " foul-smelling " stools. A very strange symptom indeed....

>

>I think, if one made " consistently light-colored, floating " non-foul

>smelling stools " one's main health indicator, one could spend 1000

>years trying and still not get it right.

>

>Blessed wishes,

>

>Elliot

[Guest guest]

David, I am on the FlaxOil2 board, where I also posted that message,

and I am getting replies from several individuals that their stools

are not foul-smelling. I do not believe it.

 

From a search I did under " scatoles indoles feces " :

 

" * Hydrogen sulfide

 

* Ammonia

 

* Histamines

 

* Indoles

 

* Phenols

 

* Scatoles

 

These substances are....produced naturally in the digestive tract

when we digest food, resulting in the unpleasant odor evidenced in

feces. "

 

Have you seen the long piece Dr. Mercola did titled, " The Naive

Vegetarian " ? http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html

 

Best wishes,

 

Elliot

 

, David Elfstrom

<listbox@e...> wrote:

> I agree with you about this, Elliot. My experience is like yours.

>

> Mercola has also said that stools should float. It would be nice to

know

> why " experts " say these things.

>

> I agree that bowel movements should be almost effortless. But if

I'm eating

> garlic, ginger, onions, asparagus... things are pretty foul

smelling. And

> the colour changes all the time depending on what I eat. Especially

beet juice!

>

> David

>

> At 09:57 AM 5/27/2004, you wrote:

>

> >THIS is nutty, from Karl Loren's Health Site:

> >

> > " Most people in the US, if you looked into their toilets, would

> >have " sinkers rather than floaters! " In other words, if your food

> >and digestion are proper, the stool will float in the toilet water,

> >will be light in color, will be soft, but well-formed (not watery)

> >and will NOT have a foul smell. How many people do you suppose

> >have " proper stool? " "

> >

> >My stools NEVER float.

> >My stools VARY in color.

> >And I ALWAYS have " foul smelling " stools.

> >

> >My stools vary in color, depending on what I have been eating. If I

> >have been eating a lot of dark green leafies, my stool will be DARK

> >green-brown. I eat a 75 to 80% vegetarian diet---lots of high bulk,

> >low-carb, nutrient-rich stuff. I eat some wild fish, organic

chicken

> >and a little organic beef.

> >

> >Stools SMELL FOUL. THAT is why I defecate into the toilet, and NOT

> >into a sachet. I could drink perfume and eat hand soap and my

stools

> >would STILL smell " foul. "

> >

> >One other thing I have read here and there is that " if a person is

> >eating and drinking correctly, they will have no need to use toilet

> >paper. "

> >

> >Sorry. That one doesn't work for me either. Very occasionally all

> >goes perfectly, but 99.9% of the time I do need toilet paper or a

> >bidet---something, anyway!

> >

> >I have also read, in " Balch & Balch, " that certain dis-eases

> >cause " foul-smelling " stools. A very strange symptom indeed....

> >

> >I think, if one made " consistently light-colored, floating " non-

foul

> >smelling stools " one's main health indicator, one could spend 1000

> >years trying and still not get it right.

> >

> >Blessed wishes,

> >

> >Elliot

[Guest guest]

breathedeepnow said:

 

> Have you seen the long piece Dr. Mercola did titled, " The Naive

> Vegetarian " ? http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html

 

That's a pretty good summary. For those who want a lot more detail,

there's http://www.beyondveg.com/ - Beyond Vegetarianism - transcending

outdated dogmas. While it was last updated in 2001, the vast amount of

data still holds.

 

David

[Guest guest]

On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 03:03:34 -0400, David Elfstrom wrote:

> breathedeepnow said:

>

> > Have you seen the long piece Dr. Mercola did titled, " The Naive

> > Vegetarian " ? http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html

 

On this page he says something along the line of meat containing

many nutrients, course he does not name them because he can't!

All nutrients are available to us and usually in a better form in plants.

I don't agree with any of his dietary stuff.

 

Persian

[Guest guest]

Mercola is quite right.

I read a book a few years ago called " The Saccharine Disease " by Surgeon

Captain (RN) Thomas Cleave.

He discusses bowel movements at length. A great book written around the

early 1970s.

I changed my diet and built up the fiber I eat. ( I also have a small stool

to put my feet on in the toilet.)

Consequently my stools are exactly as Mercola describes.

Don't dismiss some of these 'experts' so quickly.

 

 

Graeme Ellis

The Goldfields

Western Australia

 

 

 

 

-

" David Elfstrom " <listbox

 

Friday, May 28, 2004 9:06 AM

Re: Speaking of Beans....Karl Loren

and others say this, and I disagree!

 

 

> I agree with you about this, Elliot. My experience is like yours.

>

> Mercola has also said that stools should float. It would be nice to know

> why " experts " say these things.

>

> I agree that bowel movements should be almost effortless. But if I'm

eating

> garlic, ginger, onions, asparagus... things are pretty foul smelling. And

> the colour changes all the time depending on what I eat. Especially beet

juice!

>

> David

>

> At 09:57 AM 5/27/2004, you wrote:

>

> >THIS is nutty, from Karl Loren's Health Site:

> >

> > " Most people in the US, if you looked into their toilets, would

> >have " sinkers rather than floaters! " In other words, if your food

> >and digestion are proper, the stool will float in the toilet water,

> >will be light in color, will be soft, but well-formed (not watery)

> >and will NOT have a foul smell. How many people do you suppose

> >have " proper stool? " "

> >

> >My stools NEVER float.

> >My stools VARY in color.

> >And I ALWAYS have " foul smelling " stools.

> >

> >My stools vary in color, depending on what I have been eating. If I

> >have been eating a lot of dark green leafies, my stool will be DARK

> >green-brown. I eat a 75 to 80% vegetarian diet---lots of high bulk,

> >low-carb, nutrient-rich stuff. I eat some wild fish, organic chicken

> >and a little organic beef.

> >

> >Stools SMELL FOUL. THAT is why I defecate into the toilet, and NOT

> >into a sachet. I could drink perfume and eat hand soap and my stools

> >would STILL smell " foul. "

> >

> >One other thing I have read here and there is that " if a person is

> >eating and drinking correctly, they will have no need to use toilet

> >paper. "

> >

> >Sorry. That one doesn't work for me either. Very occasionally all

> >goes perfectly, but 99.9% of the time I do need toilet paper or a

> >bidet---something, anyway!

> >

> >I have also read, in " Balch & Balch, " that certain dis-eases

> >cause " foul-smelling " stools. A very strange symptom indeed....

> >

> >I think, if one made " consistently light-colored, floating " non-foul

> >smelling stools " one's main health indicator, one could spend 1000

> >years trying and still not get it right.

> >

> >Blessed wishes,

> >

> >Elliot

>

[Guest guest]

Cleave's book is available through Amazon for 48 dollars plus

shipping, OR on line for FREE at this link:

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Cleave/cleave_toc.html

 

I will post link further down in case it is obscured by an

advertisement. Thank you, Graeme Ellis. The book should make

interesting reading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Cleave/cleave_toc.html