Do you believe in Charles Darwin's theory?

[Guest guest]

Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the theory that was

propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The theory of the origin and

perpetuation of new species of animals and plants by a process of

natural selection and survival of the fittest. " )) What do you think

about it? It will be intereting to hear your answers! Best wishes! Niki

[Guest guest]

No No way!

 

On 12/18/06, bulgarianloveangel <bulgarianloveangel wrote:

>

> Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the theory that was

> propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The theory of the origin and

> perpetuation of new species of animals and plants by a process of

> natural selection and survival of the fittest. " )) What do you think

> about it? It will be intereting to hear your answers! Best wishes! Niki

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Good Question. Darwin's theory is very incomplete, even if natural selection

is an active part of evolution. I believe evolution requires an innate

vitalism, and any good theory of evolution must account for this vitalism. I say

this

much in my book ( " Trinity: the Scientific Basis of Vitalism and

Transcendentalism " ), still two months away from printing.

 

But what does this have to do with alternative medicine? Well, it does!

Vitalism relates to Tao (Eastern philosophy), it relates to an innate

spirituality,

and it relates to our intuition. Vitalism relates to Nature's organizing

principle that we all feel. Yet, Darwin's theory is not about any of these

vitalistic qualities, and so it is badly incomplete in a way that is important

for us

here .

 

I believe Deepak Chopra, who is well known in the area of alternative

medicine, will tell us the same thing, and he is now speaking out on the issue

of

evolution.

 

Stephen Smith

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Theres a book by Haron Yahya that refuted darwinism you might want to

do search i know its available to read online just type haron yahya.

 

, " Muhammad Mughal "

<mlmughal wrote:

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> No No way!

>

> On 12/18/06, bulgarianloveangel <bulgarianloveangel wrote:

> >

> > Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the theory that was

> > propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The theory of the origin and

> > perpetuation of new species of animals and plants by a process of

> > natural selection and survival of the fittest. " )) What do you think

> > about it? It will be intereting to hear your answers! Best wishes!

Niki

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can we please DITCH that topic?

This is a health list, not a place to hatch

out unanswerable philosophical questions.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

hmm not sure what that has to do w/ alternative answers sound to me to be a

religious debate and can only cause probelms in the group.

 

H

 

Jessica <diqqah1130 wrote:

 

Theres a book by Haron Yahya that refuted darwinism you might want to

do search i know its available to read online just type haron yahya.

 

, " Muhammad Mughal "

<mlmughal wrote:

>

> No No way!

>

> On 12/18/06, bulgarianloveangel <bulgarianloveangel wrote:

> >

> > Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the theory that was

> > propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The theory of the origin and

> > perpetuation of new species of animals and plants by a process of

> > natural selection and survival of the fittest. " )) What do you think

> > about it? It will be intereting to hear your answers! Best wishes!

Niki

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hucklebird wrote: Good Question. Darwin's theory is very

incomplete, even if natural selection

is an active part of evolution. I believe evolution requires an innate

vitalism, and any good theory of evolution must account for this vitalism. I say

this

much in my book ( " Trinity: the Scientific Basis of Vitalism and

Transcendentalism " ), still two months away from printing.

 

But what does this have to do with alternative medicine? Well, it does!

Vitalism relates to Tao (Eastern philosophy), it relates to an innate

spirituality,

and it relates to our intuition. Vitalism relates to Nature's organizing

principle that we all feel. Yet, Darwin's theory is not about any of these

vitalistic qualities, and so it is badly incomplete in a way that is important

for us

here .

 

I believe Deepak Chopra, who is well known in the area of alternative

medicine, will tell us the same thing, and he is now speaking out on the issue

of

evolution.

 

Stephen Smith

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have a box full of elements such as silacon, glass, gold, plastic,

etc. I plan to store them in a hidden place where the conditions are

just right. Come back in 100 million years and there will be a

computer in it's place with windows XP and all the Microsoft office

products running on it in perfect order.

 

Sounds far fetched I know...but no more than Darwins theory. A human

body is vastly more complex than any computer ever made... think about

the complexity of language and being able to understand it, being able

to read another persons motives and make judgements that their words

are not true because of small inflections in their voice and body

language that does not match the words comming from their mouth(this

is a very complex process if you look at it closely).

 

We have complex emotions that are used to weigh logical descisions and

we may decide for or against something just because of the way we feel

about it or sometimes make a descision using intuition even though

logic says we should decide differently. We have the knowledge that

there are some things that are wrong and some are right and we know

this with no real effort or thought, things that smell bad are

replusive - ever wonder why you react this way. We have sight, smell,

touch, you are able to read this text and translate it into words at a

really quick pace and with almost no effort and understand the

difference between the meaning of the words dye and die even though

they are pronounced the same(this alone is pretty amazing within

itself), and all the very complex things we are capable of all

interwoven into a working system we call a human being. Most of which

we do not understand how it works, this is very evident, even the most

learned of men are still hopelessly ignorant. Science does not really

understand the human body nor the workings of the universe, if we did

we would not have this group. We understand a few things and we

foolishly pride ourself of our great achievements but we have not

created anything that did not already exist from the beginning.

Nuclear energy existed from the first day but our ability

to use it did not. We learned how to tap it so we pride ourselves and

say we have created something wonderful when all we really did is to

uncover the things that already existed, we created nothing.

 

A computer could not arrange itself into a working system without

intellegent intervention no more than we can, we were

created for a given purpose.

 

A few rules that are universal for you to consider...

 

1. The created is never greater than the creator. Has man ever made

anything greater and more complex than himself.

 

The example of the computer is pretty simple but the point here is

that it is no match for my abilities and is actually a relatively

simple machine once you understand it. It cannot repair itself, it is

not able to take two complex theories and logically intermesh them

together and see a solution for a third hyphothetical problem not

stated in either of the two. The process of thinking and intellegence

is very complex and above any machine we have created. Our machines

only follow a set of sequential instructions we have given them, they

do not think as we do. Without our intellegence and ability to give

them the logical instructions they would not operate so they are only

a small extension of our intellegence, they do not exist of their own.

 

 

 

2. All things in nature go from organization to disorganization.

 

As an example take a brick that was crafted by intentional effort of

the brick maker and organized into a square by pressing it into a mold

and baked in a fire of suitable heat that turned the brick a solid

mass.... It took intellegence and purposed intent to accomplish all of

that... take the brick and sit it outside for 100,000 years and it

will once again disorganize itself and return to it's elements. It

does not become wiser, does not create bricks of higher intellegence

than itself, does not create a wall containing more like itself and

they together conspire to build a great city. Intellengence is

required to make the first brick and to give it all the abilities it

possesses, be it something dumb as a brick or something as logical as

a computer.

 

In the natural order of things - all things go from order to disorder,

not the other way around. Order is achieved by purposed intellegence.

Can you think of one example where this can be disproven?

 

I end with short story... A man challenged God and said I have

advanced so far

that I am as smart as you. I can make life just like you can, we have

learned how to clone so I challenge you to a showdown just to prove

you are not so great. God accepted the challenge. They both showed up

on the appointed day and God went first and created a new living being

with full intellegence and abilities right from the elements of the

earth. He said to the man... ok, now it is your turn. The man

proceeded to unload a sheep out of the back of his truck to make his

creation with... God said.... no no no, you are not allowed to cheat.

I created that so you are not allowed to do a replication of my

work... you have to make your own from scratch and you have to do it

using your own materials.

You cannot use my dirt because I made that, you cannot use my air

either, or water... you must make every thing from nothing then our

deeds will be equal.

 

, " Jessica " <diqqah1130

wrote:

>

>

> Theres a book by Haron Yahya that refuted darwinism you might want to

> do search i know its available to read online just type haron

yahya.

>

> , " Muhammad Mughal "

> <mlmughal@> wrote:

> >

> > No No way!

> >

> > On 12/18/06, bulgarianloveangel <bulgarianloveangel@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the theory that was

> > > propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The theory of the

origin and

> > > perpetuation of new species of animals and plants by a process of

> > > natural selection and survival of the fittest. " )) What do you think

> > > about it? It will be intereting to hear your answers! Best wishes!

> Niki

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This is a divisive issue that has no place on a health list.

I am sure there are many other places where vigorous debate

on this topic will be enjoyed. Not here, please.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

[Guest guest]

No I don't. And the more I study science and the awe inspiring earth we

live on, the more I don't believe it.

 

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but I have no

problem privately discussing it. (kaijafon) but if you would

like to, make sure you put something like " Darwin's theory discussion "

in the subject line so I don't delete it thinking it's spam or

something.

 

A good question and topic to discuss.

 

take care

kellie

 

, " bulgarianloveangel "

<bulgarianloveangel wrote:

>

> Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the theory that was

> propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The theory of the origin and

> perpetuation of new species of animals and plants by a process of

> natural selection and survival of the fittest. " )) What do you think

> about it? It will be intereting to hear your answers! Best wishes! Niki

>

[Guest guest]

My answer to your question is NO. I wrote an research

paper for an English class entitled Creation vs

Evolution.AL. --- kellie <KaiJaFon wrote:

 

> No I don't. And the more I study science and the

> awe inspiring earth we

> live on, the more I don't believe it.

>

> I don't know if this is the right place to discuss

> it, but I have no

> problem privately discussing it.

> (kaijafon) but if you would

> like to, make sure you put something like " Darwin's

> theory discussion "

> in the subject line so I don't delete it thinking

> it's spam or

> something.

>

> A good question and topic to discuss.

>

> take care

> kellie

>

> ,

> " bulgarianloveangel "

> <bulgarianloveangel wrote:

> >

> > Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the

> theory that was

> > propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The

> theory of the origin and

> > perpetuation of new species of animals and plants

> by a process of

> > natural selection and survival of the fittest. " ))

> What do you think

> > about it? It will be intereting to hear your

> answers! Best wishes! Niki

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I was not aware that there were people in the modern world who didn't

believe in evolution until I moved South. ~Toni

 

On 12/27/06, Alfonso Ramos <alsports2000 wrote:

>

> My answer to your question is NO. I wrote an research

> paper for an English class entitled Creation vs

>

> Evolution.AL. --- kellie <KaiJaFon <KaiJaFon%40>>

> wrote:

>

> > No I don't. And the more I study science and the

> > awe inspiring earth we

> > live on, the more I don't believe it.

> >

> > I don't know if this is the right place to discuss

> > it, but I have no

> > problem privately discussing it.

> > (kaijafon <kaijafon%40>) but if you would

> > like to, make sure you put something like " Darwin's

> > theory discussion "

> > in the subject line so I don't delete it thinking

> > it's spam or

> > something.

> >

> > A good question and topic to discuss.

> >

> > take care

> > kellie

> >

> > --- In

<%40>

> ,

> > " bulgarianloveangel "

> > <bulgarianloveangel wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello, my friends! Many people believe in the

> > theory that was

> > > propounded by Charles Darwin in 1858? (( " The

> > theory of the origin and

> > > perpetuation of new species of animals and plants

> > by a process of

> > > natural selection and survival of the fittest. " ))

> > What do you think

> > > about it? It will be intereting to hear your

> > answers! Best wishes! Niki

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Toni D. Roberts, BA, LMT

Cumberland Muscle Therapy

2470 Windy Hill Road SE, Suite 131

Marietta, Georgia 30067-8617

 

(770) 984-8040

forums

www.cumberlandmuscletherapy.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm obviously way behind in my reading but soooo many things to learn

from on this group.

BRAVO!!!! I adored your post and admire the thought and work you put

into it.

Amen!

 

Always ~ Kim

>

> I have a box full of elements such as silacon, glass, gold, plastic,

> etc. I plan to store them in a hidden place where the conditions are

> just right. Come back in 100 million years and there will be a

> computer in it's place with windows XP and all the Microsoft office

> products running on it in perfect order.

>

[Guest guest]

I have this theory, which I have discussed with people in other

countries, especially young people who have not been 'dirtied' yet.

The theory is the only way I can explain the evil in this world. It

goes like this - just like yin and yang, north and south ,etc... there

are two equal and opposing sides to everything. That is why there is

evil in this world, equal in force to good.

While I lived in Peru, one day I was sitting around with some young

people discussing how our countries could actually help each other, if

it wasn't for the rules imposed by both our governments. We got on that

subject because I hired them occasionally to help me and payed them

well, which in turn allowed them to help their families.

I told them that based on my theory " just as we are sitting around this

table making plans on how to help each other and our families, there is

somewhere else in the world a group of men sitting around a table

discussing how to destroy people and their families. " They all laughed

and said that maybe that was ridiculous, but maybe not. A few months

later 9/11 happened and I remembered our discussion that day.

So according to my theory, just as we post ideas and try to help each

other overcome our ills, somewhere someone else is sitting at their

computer discussing how to destroy us and make us so sick we cannot

heal ourselves.

Is this our world?

 

 

 

 

 

, " Kim " <weeangel_99

wrote:

>

> I'm obviously way behind in my reading but soooo many things to learn

> from on this group.

> BRAVO!!!! I adored your post and admire the thought and work you put

> into it.

> Amen!

>

> Always ~ Kim

> >

> > I have a box full of elements such as silacon, glass, gold, plastic,

> > etc. I plan to store them in a hidden place where the conditions are

> > just right. Come back in 100 million years and there will be a

> > computer in it's place with windows XP and all the Microsoft office

> > products running on it in perfect order.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's amazing isn't it how our little works? My Father asked me one day

not too long ago why I do the things I do for people around me when he

knows how busy I am in my daily life. I told him that someone out here

has to do something nice for someone to make up for the evil that is

being done. All we seem to see is bad news. It makes the head lines

in all medias. I adore this group for the angels it beholds. Thanks

for your reply M. Richmond. I agree with you whole heartedly.

 

Always ~ Kim

>

> I have this theory, which I have discussed with people in other

> countries, especially young people who have not been 'dirtied' yet.

> The theory is the only way I can explain the evil in this world. It

> goes like this - just like yin and yang, north and south ,etc...

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Well yes I think you are onto something here. I am

american but live in Bali indonesia. Bali is the gem

of indonesia with about 95% of the local population

being Hindu. Where I live is still quite remote and

still very traditional, in other words still very

spiritual and Hindu is still practiced in its original

form.

 

What you say about the good & evil or yin & yang I see

everyday of my life and it really makes sense to me.

When a balinese person eats or drinks they

automatically offer a small amount to the gods (good

and bad) before themselves. This small act pays

reverence to the good gods and pacifies the evil gods

so they dont bother the person who has made the

offering (so they beleive, and I follow.) Hinduism has

been in existance for 4000 years so it can't be too

faulty if it has been around for so long, still

intact, still peacfully co-existing while other

religions are waging war.

 

Like a lot of the west I was born Christian but I cant

say that I agree with it all of the time. Instead of

denying evil, embrace it, realizing it is a reality,

and deal with it accordingly. There will always be

evil just as there will always be night, it is

absolutely impossible to avoid.

 

We can all work a little harder to enhance, embrace,

and better our immediate area and the lives of the

people we touch and in turn hopefully those people can

learn by our example creating a world of overlapping

networks of goodness and gentleness. (I sound like a

hippy freak, but I am not, hahaha)

 

I think respect is our greatest challenge. Once we

lose respect for ourselves, our family, our elders, we

have nothing left... really! When we die we die with

nothing... all the stuff we gathered over our lifetime

doesnt go with us. all we have is our family to

comfort us. That is our saving goodness in this

not-so-always good world. That foundation is what

perpetutates goodness. Cherish your family and

goodness will surround you.

 

Sincerely,

Michael

sensatia.com

 

--- " M. Richmond " <rollouts wrote:

 

> I have this theory, which I have discussed with

> people in other

> countries, especially young people who have not been

> 'dirtied' yet.

> The theory is the only way I can explain the evil in

> this world. It

> goes like this - just like yin and yang, north and

> south ,etc... there

> are two equal and opposing sides to everything. That

> is why there is

> evil in this world, equal in force to good.

> While I lived in Peru, one day I was sitting around

> with some young

> people discussing how our countries could actually

> help each other, if

> it wasn't for the rules imposed by both our

> governments. We got on that

> subject because I hired them occasionally to help me

> and payed them

> well, which in turn allowed them to help their

> families.

> I told them that based on my theory " just as we are

> sitting around this

> table making plans on how to help each other and our

> families, there is

> somewhere else in the world a group of men sitting

> around a table

> discussing how to destroy people and their

> families. " They all laughed

> and said that maybe that was ridiculous, but maybe

> not. A few months

> later 9/11 happened and I remembered our discussion

> that day.

> So according to my theory, just as we post ideas and

> try to help each

> other overcome our ills, somewhere someone else is

> sitting at their

> computer discussing how to destroy us and make us so

> sick we cannot

> heal ourselves.

> Is this our world?

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Kim "

> <weeangel_99

> wrote:

> >

> > I'm obviously way behind in my reading but soooo

> many things to learn

> > from on this group.

> > BRAVO!!!! I adored your post and admire the

> thought and work you put

> > into it.

> > Amen!

> >

> > Always ~ Kim

> > >

> > > I have a box full of elements such as silacon,

> glass, gold, plastic,

> > > etc. I plan to store them in a hidden place

> where the conditions are

> > > just right. Come back in 100 million years and

> there will be a

> > > computer in it's place with windows XP and all

> the Microsoft office

> > > products running on it in perfect order.

> > >

> >

>

>

>