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Report post · December 9, 2006

---hi evelyn and a warm welcome ..

lots to share with you

to start

The sin bin -Vested interest Apathy and other unworthy systems

As you can see I am not the only one saying this is happening

hi my background is research inventions where i am in touch with

quite a few other researchers some of whom have suffered massively

dealing with vested interest factions.

so if you value your health you better get aware of these problems

and the health care systems

this information certainly has the capacity to unnerve you. However

if you do like to know what is going on and are not afraid of the

truth read on, it is very enlightening.

Drugs and other treatments

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment At present the

system in England is this

,and this principle will apply to other countries as well

all treatment recommended by the health care people should be

tested and approved and quite rightly so

Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments

because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent

litigation costing millions of pounds.

The point is this Where does this money come from to test and

approve treatments?

By far the biggest source is the drug companies.

Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the

main they are there to make profit

What do you think the implications of that statement means

So take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug

company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been

working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further

or approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves

to know more –right, you could not be more wrong.

By and large only treatments which show a profit will even get

examined.

Because they are in business to make a profit, not for serving the

people.

So many of the thousands of therapies which they see as having no

profit potential do not get approved

and thus by and large do not get recommended by your local doctor

or hospital despite the fact that some of them do have overwhelming

benefits some which have saved needless operations, needless

amputations, needless pain and trauma, needless kidney failures and

much loss of life.

Did you know there are groups of people begging drug companies to

look into certain therapies for their possible benefit but many

wont –why money in the main

Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher , what does this mean ,

he is very taxed with his time that means he cannot do research he

finds it very difficult to keep up with what is goig on

in the main he is told what to prescribe he does not even have the

time often to look at research.

At this minute 2004 approx 5000 Beds are being taken up by people

who have had reactions to drugs.

Some will die others will be maimed .That is fact

So Mrs Jones by and large you will probably only get recommended

treatments where there is profit in them for someone.

Have you heard your local doctor recommend, Massage, Spiritual

healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour therapy,

Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

Electrical Frequency devices.

Has he ever mentioned nutrition what you eat how much protein carbo

vitamins etc .

All of these have shown their inherent worth with thousands if not

millions of testimonials.

As you can see this system in its present state is inherently flawed

which is why you are getting recommended what you are

that is until the day comes when most of the research and testing

is done by an agency with no vested interests attached and a clear

agenda of being objective.

Acting for he people

There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies will even

go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment especially

if it is going to affect their profits.

Imagine this 10 000 patients on some drug costing say 500-1000

pounds each per year

Average time to get well 20 yrs –income in that time –go on work it

out

Then an invention come s along and hey presto we can get them well

in just 6 weeks at a cost of 200 quid

Do you think they will just sit around and go err – what planet are

you on jack?

Ever heard of a brilliant doctor with the name of Raymond rife the

gifted scientist and winner of 14 government awards including

scientist of the year award twice.

Rife discovered that some major diseases could be eliminated with

frequencies based on that diseases individual electromagnetic

signature. He uses the same effect, which causes a glass to shatter

by the use of some peoples voices.

These distinguished medical doctors who originally confirmed part or

this entire discovery included:

E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo Clinic),

Fredrich Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae

Inoue (Japan), Georges Mazet (France,), Franz Gerlach (Germany),

Niello Mori and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill Univ.),

T.J. Glover (Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab,Bay Pines,

Fla.), Irene Diller (Inst. of Cancer Research, Phila, Penn), Eleanor

Alex. Jackson and Virginia Livingston (NJ & San Diego clinics).

But events started to happen; firstly, arsonists burned the Burnett

Lab in New Jersey, which was validating Rife's work.

Then, someone fatally poisoned Dr. Milbank Johnson, president of the

Southern California American Medical Association. He died just hours

before a scheduled press conference in which he was to announce that

Rife's electronic therapy cured every terminal patient in a study

supervised by the University of Southern California.

Dr. Nemes, who duplicated some of Rife's work just 40 miles from

Rife's lab, was killed in a mysterious fire, which destroyed his

lab. Rife stopped work, but died at Grossmont Hospital from a lethal

dose of Valium. Following Dr. Milbank Johnson's murder, threats,

other incidents followed; 30 doctors once photographed honoring Rife

at a banquet now denied they ever knew him! Dr. Isaac Kendall,

Rife's chief research associate and Dean of Northwestern Medical

School, received $200,000 in " grants " & disappeared. Was this a

bribe?

Dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler in 1947 while studying tumors found

the same organism in all of them. Her findings were published in

August 1948 by the New York Microscopical Society Bullitin. Later in

Dec. 1950 Wheeler had an article published in the American Journal

of Medical Sciences on microbes cultures taken from both human and

animal tumors. On Sept. 10, 1953 The Washington Post reported the

discoveries of Dr. Wheeler and her team from Rutgers-Presbyterian

Hospital Laboratory which were disclosed at the 6 th International

Congress of Microbiology in Rome. They had found conclusive proof of

a microbial cause for cancer.

When Dr. Wheeler and her group returned from Rome to Rutgers-

Presbyterian Hospital they found that the funds for their laboratory

were being cut off. The laboratory was closed. This was the behind-

the-scenes work and doings of Dr. Corneluis P. Rhoads, the head of

Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. The fear of the cancer

industry elite is and was immense. If the truth about the true cause

of cancer becomes known a cheap cure will be found shortly

thereafter. This will kill the cancer goose which lays tens of

billions of dollars worth of eggs a year. Is there nothing these

scum will not do for their god money? No

And it does not stop there John Walsh head of the cayce center in

Durham England had a stuttering problem which he cured using the

recommendations of Edgar cayce ,

naturally he wanted to share this with the stuttering society so

that others may alleviate their suffering, at a meeting he was going

to deliver a talk telling people of how he did it but just as he

was about to speak , he was stopped and the only reason John says is

that the organizers realized that if this information got out it

could mean the end of their society.

Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of

microwave ovens and declared that foods cooked in this way posed a

greater risk to health than cooking by conventional means, food

cooked in this way seemed to have a cancerous effect on the blood. A

gag order was issued on both of these doctors .DR Hertal stood his

ground and fought the decision and the European court of Human

rights issued an order saying the gag order was contrary to the

right of Human expression and Switzerland was ordered to pay

compensation.

Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar

Cayce information, Spiritual healing and some information on the

rife machine over the Internet on problems like MS Parkinsons,

Galucoma, Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.thousands of

groups who had a site on the Internet were contacted including

support groups, hospitals etc. Major foundations and national

societies were contacted as well.

These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for

the treatment, support and research on M.S.The response from

thousands of contacts-only a few even replied with some interest

despite numerous approaches and despite mentioning the clear

evidence which the meridian research institute was getting using the

cayce therapies.

The next to try was the Myasthenia gravis association which is

located in Derby England, Cayce gave a couple of readings on this

problem, despite phone calls and letters and e mails including

letters to the chairman not one person came back to me .I tried a

few hundred other M.G. Associations throughout the Internet and only

a very few were interested. The others did not even reply.

Cayce on Glaucoma was also tried, again writing, and e mailing to

many National associations and support groups again with very little

interest. Also tried was posting information on the discussion

forums on the Internet, Many were removed, the " Wills eye hospital

in the USA were highly guilty of this. After this I tried Cayce on

Parkinson's again the same procedure was followed I even tried

writing and e mailing to Mary Baker chairman of the Parkinson's

society in England, she did not even reply. National organizations

were contacted and support groups, the results only about 5% showed

any interest at all.

The conclusion: Clearly there are forces out there that would do

anything to protect their interests

, your unnecessary suffering is of no consequence to them at all.

There are lots of Charities, organizations, associations, support

groups who are proclaiming all sorts of things, which have a sacred

duty, to give you information, to conduct and fund research, to push

forward their cause, which are failing miserably you the patient.

They are seemingly more interested in maintaining the status quo,

keeping their jobs or are just apathetic. As you can see they are

not to be relied upon if you value your health.

Conclusion One must take responsibility for their own wellness, not

hand the problem over to others.

I advocate that most research should be done by perhaps government

organizations with the only vested interest in mind of that of the

patient, but that is a long way off.

As many NEXUS readers will know, Dr Hulda Clark has helped thousands

of people around the world cure themselves of many ailments and

diseases. Her approach is to remove exposure to solvents and to

remove parasites from the body.

On 20 September, Dr Hulda Clark was arrested in San Diego. She was

subsequently held in a prison in Santa fee, waiting extradition to

Indiana where she is charged with practicing medicine without a

license, a class C felony with a penalty of two to eight years in

prison.

The patients in her clinic in Mexico most of them terminally ill,

but getting better under Dr Clark's supervision had to be sent home

to try to do the protocols on their own.

Dr Clark was escorted from prison on 4 October and arrived in

Indiana on 6 October at 2.30 am. A hearing was held at 9.00 am and

bail was set at US$10,000. Dr Clark was offered a plea bargain with

a fine if she pleaded guilty, but she pleaded not guilty. The trial

will be held on 2 February 2000.

Other pioneers some of which we are in great debt too

J.C. Burnett: His " electronic medicine research lab " was burnt to

the ground while he was visiting Rife in 1939, just before the Rife

technology itself was attacked

Harry Oldfield: dismissed when he wanted to publish his research

demonstrating the damage done to the human energy field by

chemotherapy treatment

Upton, Knuth and Armstrong: inventors of the " homeotron " -forced

into bankruptcy

DR Albert Abrams: inventor of the " Oscilloclast " , a forerunner of

the Rife generator. Slated by the establishment. Denounced as a

quack and a charlatan in 18 consecutive issues of " The Scientific

American " . Died in shame and ignominy

George Lahovsky: Inventor of the " multi-wave oscillator " . Run over

by a car and died 1943.

Bill Morre (researcher and author): fled into retreat

George De La Warre: Nearly bankrupted by legal proceedings

DR Franz Anton Mesmer: used magnets for healing - struck off

Ruth Drown: inventor of the " Radio Vision Instrument " and " Homo-

vibra ray instrument " - committed suicide

Wilhelm Reich: inventor of " Orgone Energy Accumulator " - died in

prison

C.M. Allen: driven insane

DR M.K. Jessup: reporter of the infamous " Philadelphia Experiment " -

suicide/murdered

DR Max Gerson: Used natural treatment regime to cure cancer,

Multiple Sclerosis and other disease. AMA harassment forced him to

close clinic and re-open in Mexico

Harry Hoxsey: (cured cancer using herbs). Mentally and financially

ruined by legal proceedings and AMA harassment. Arrested 157 times

in 16 months. Died in suspicious circumstances, possibly murdered

Rene Caisse: (also cured cancer-using herbs). The 'Canadian Ministry

of Health and Welfare' had the whole of the records destroyed

immediately after her death in 1978. These records detailed

thousands of cured patients.

DR Lawrence Burton: Fraudulently accused of spreading AIDS

contaminated serum forcing the Bahamian government to close it down

under American pressure

DR Stanislaw Burzynski: Ordered by FDA to stop development of his

highly effective 'anti-neoplaston' treatment program. Raided and had

all his scientific, medical and personal records seized which were

never returned

Gaston Naessens: microbiologist - still alive and working with Rife

type microscope today. Developer of 714X cancer treatment -

Prosecuted for fraud and driven out of France. Prosecuted and

threatened again with life imprisonment in Canada but was acquitted

Dr. Andrew C. Ivy: world-renowned medical researcher. Researcher

of " Krebiozen " (harmless chemical compound which was claimed to have

observable, often curative benefits in 70% of cancer cases)

suspended from membership of the Chicago Medical Society, removed

from the vice presidency of the University of Illinois, and had

his " resignation " accepted by both national cancer societies. AMA

declared Krebiozen " worthless " six weeks after he published his

research (1951) even though a properly conducted trial would take 3-

5 years, dismissed all of his conclusions, discredited his research

methods and suggested that his belief in the compound was due to

senility.

Edward J. McCabe: Health journalist who reported success of oxygen

therapy. Sentenced to 3 years in prison on the pre-text of tax

evasion 1999 (and served 2 years).

DR William F. Koch: Medical doctor, Professor of chemistry,

histology and physiology. Inventor of " Glyoxylide catalyst " cure for

cancer. Sued by FDA but was acquitted after 600 doctors testified in

his favor. Died of poisoning, 1967.

Dr. F.M. Eugene Blass: Developer of " Homozon™ " (the original oxygen

therapy product) - murdered outside his house, same year and month

as DR Koch.

DR Basil Earle Wainright: Physicist - inventor of polyatomic

apheuresis oxygen therapy. Imprisoned for 4 years. Claims he

survived six assassination attempts whilst in prison.

DR George A. Freibott, IV. President of the American Naturopathic

Association, consultant for International Association for Oxygen

Therapy, US Government approved and internationally accepted expert

witness on oxygen/oxidation therapies. Survived numerous

assassination attempts and several anonymous phone calls threatening

him with his life.

DR James Boyce: Turned 254 people HIV+ to HIV- using ozone therapy:

Charged with using unproven methods and sentenced to 5 years in

prison. Had his medical license revoked.

Ken Thiefault sold ozone generators: Sentenced to 7 years in prison

for making medical claims for ozone generators. His wife was

sentenced to three years.

In Paul millers book on harry edwards and spiritual healing there

are a number of issues which are mentioned.

1.Harry it seems had enormous resistance to his work from certain

quarters people who claimed to be doctors but had it seems there own

hidden agendas. Harry presented a whole host of cases, which were

restored to good health from being proclaimed incurable. Some

doctors were called to account for this. They would evade the issue

and give a variety of reasons for example the patient despite being

born with terrible deformations had a temporary remission which the

healer was not slow to point out seemed to occur just after healing

had taken place. The general medical view was that they would see

the patient in a few more years to check his progress .At the right

time harry then raised the issue again only to be told that too much

time had elapsed.

2.Another famous expletive was wrongly labelled x-rays and

spontaneous healing. Many times doctors opened up a patient to find

a growth only to find that it was gone. Mistaken diagnosis was

another favourite.

So you see that there are certain elements within the medical

profession who would gladly not see this work at all to the cost of

millions of peoples suffering. Their motives can only be guessed at.

On the other hand there are many brilliant doctors out there some of

which attended the sanctuary witnessing many healings

and many presented their own problems to harry for healing.

Oh yes the church, Harry it seems had many dealings with the church

and it seems was very disappointed to see that the church had

failed miserably its duty to go forth and heal the sick as the

master Jesus commanded.

Harry had invited numerous priests and bishops to his healing

demonstrations where they could witness right in front of their very

eyes some of the fantastic things which were going on .He was

disappointed that the archbishop of Canterbury had declined the

invitation to attend one of his healing demonstrations right under

the cathedral.

But it started the seemingly very little known commission to

investigate divine healing. This commission had the archbishop of

Canterbury and York seeking the co-operation of the British medical

association who appointed a number of physicians to examine the

evidence put before them by the man they had jointly denigrated. It

was over two years before the Anglican Church got their act

together.

They actually asked Harry to submit just six cases for

investigation –six can you imagine that number for a proper

investigation. Harry thought the same and submitted seventy many of

which were considered incurable by their very own doctors. After

submitting these and giving a lengthy address the response was

astonishing One of these so called doctors stood up and claimed they

could have been spontaneous healing, but Harry had pointed out it

was the doctors themselves who proclaimed these people were

incurable.

Unbelievably no proper scientific examination of the seventy cases

was carried out.

Harry was offered a position in the Church with conditions which of

course he could not accept to those who think that the Church would

not sink to these sort of tactics

Harry referred to the ---------------- Archbishops commission on

survival

which was suppressed and never officially published because why

the majority report found that the case for survival was proven

Medical Mistakes in the USA

This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association

(JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published

literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical

paradigm.If you want to keep updated on issues like this to sign up

for my free

newsletter at mercola.com

This information is a follow up of the Institute of Medicine report

which hit the papers in December of 1999,

http://www.mercola.com/1999/dec/5/medical_mistakes.html

but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed

journal.

Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated

medical periodical in the world.

The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of

Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care

system may contribute to poor health.

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

12,000 -----unnecessary surgery

7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals

20,000 ----other errors in hospitals

80,000 ----infections in hospitals

106,000 ---non-error, negative effects of drugs

These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!

What does the word iatrogenic mean?

This term is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's

activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of

treatment.

Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers:

First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized

patients. Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not

include negative effects that are associated with disability or

discomfort. Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower

than those in the IOM

.. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading

cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease

and cancer. Even if these figures are overestimated, there is a wide

margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of

death (cerebrovascular disease).

Another analysis 11 concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive

patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with:

116 million extra physician visits

77 million extra prescriptions

17 million emergency department visits

8 million hospitalizations

3 million long-term admissions

199,000 additional deaths

$77 billion in extra costs

The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a

deficit, but seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better

health results from more expensive care.

However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20%

to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care.

An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result

of medical errors.2

This might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does

it?

Of 13 countries in a recent comparison,3,4 the United States ranks

an average of 12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health

indicators.

More

>specifically, the ranking of the US on several indicators was: 13th

(last) for low-birth-weight percentages13th for neonatal mortality

and infant mortality overall 14

11th for postneonatal mortality

13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)

11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males

10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males10th

for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males

7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males

3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males

10th for age-adjusted mortality

The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World

Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the

United States as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.

There is a perception that the American public " behaves badly " by

smoking,drinking, and perpetrating violence. " However the data does

not support this assertion.

>The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41%

in

>Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males,

the range

>is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United

States (third

>best).

>The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption.

The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest

in men

>aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third

lowest mean

>cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13

>industrialized countries.

>

>These estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a

recent

>Institutes of Medicine report, and if the higher estimates are

used, the

>deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.

>

>Even at the lower estimate of 225,000 deaths per year, this

constitutes the

>third leading cause of death in the US, following heart disease and

cancer.

>

>Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the

US's low

>ranking.

>

>Among 29 countries, the United States is second only to Japan in the

>availability of magnetic resonance imaging units and computed

tomography

>scanners per million population. 17 Japan, however, ranks highest

on health,

>whereas the US ranks among the lowest. It is possible that the high

use of

>technology in Japan is limited to diagnostic technology not matched

by high

>rates of treatment, whereas in the US, high use of diagnostic

technology may

>be linked to more treatment. Supporting this possibility are data

showing

>

that the number of employees per bed (full-time equivalents) in the

United

>States is highest among the countries ranked, whereas they are very

low in

>Japan, far lower than can be accounted for by the common practice

of having

>family members rather than hospital staff provide the amenities of

hospital

>care.

>

>Journal American Medical Association Vol 284 July 26, 2000

>

>COMMENT: Folks, this is what they call a " Landmark Article " . Only

several

>ones like this are published every year.

One of the major reasons it is so

>huge as that it is published in JAMA which is the largest and one

of the

>most respected medical journals in the entire world. I did find it

most

>curious that the best wire service in the world, Reuter's, did not

pick up

>this article. I have no idea why they let it slip by.

>

>I would encourage you to bookmark this article and review it

several times

>so you can use the statistics to counter the arguments of your

friends and

>relatives who are so enthralled with the traditional medical

paradigm.

These

>statistics prove very clearly that the system is just not working.

It is

>broken and is in desperate need of repair.

>

>I was previously fond of saying that drugs are the fourth leading

cause of

>death in this country. However, this article makes it quite clear

that the

>more powerful number is that doctors are the third leading cause of

death in

>this country killing nearly a quarter million people a year. The

only more

>common causes are cancer and heart disease. This statistic is

likely to be

>seriously underestimated as much of the coding only describes the

cause of

>organ failure and does not address iatrogenic causes at all.

>

>Care, not treatment, is the answer. Drugs, surgery and hospitals

are rarely the answer to chronic health problems. Facilitating the

God-given healing capacity that all of us have is the key. Improving

the diet, exercise, and lifestyle are basic. Effective interventions

for the underlying emotional and spiritual wounding behind most

chronic illness are also important clues to maximizing health and

reducing disease.

http://www.mercola.com/2002/index.htm

Robert Whitaker who wrote the eyeopening book " Mad In America "

ISBN 0 7382 07993

>

> http://www.madinamerica.com/

>

> This site tells you all about it.

>

& #61656; He started out investigating the successes of drug therapies on

depression, and soon found out that the drug companies own

research showed the opposite! But the companies wont publish it,

and are not all pleased with this book.

& #61656; The book prooves, statisically beyond doubt that drug therapies

are far from helping cure depression they are fueling it, to

alarming proportions. Just think what 400 extra people EVERY DAY in

America means! 400 extra people being disabled and not being able

to work, in most cases EVER.

& #61656;

& #61656; This not only costs the taxpayers the drugs, and the loss of

tax from their now non income, but also the lives of happiness

that these people could and should be enjoying.

>

& #61656; Drug therapy is such that people stay on indefinitely.

& #61656;

& #61656; WHERE AS The majority of people can and could be cured of

depression. You must read this book to understand what is going

on.

>

> Drugs are not the answer, they only use is in emergency use and

not LONG TERM. The side effects actually make people's depression

worse in long term.

phill

In , " Evelyn " <evelynarizona

wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I'm new to this group and thought I should introduce myself. My

name is

> Evelyn a Retired AT+T operator and I'm 74 years old. For many

years I

> have been interested in Alternatiive Medicine and I'm so happy to

have

> found this group.

>

> Evelyn In Mesa, AZ

>

Report post · December 26, 2006

HI Kellianne,

I wanted to say welcome, I haven't been here too long myself, just a couple weeks. I've learned a lot, and I hope you will enjoy the group.

I'm not too far from you, I'm in north central Ohio.

I'd be interested in how you chose bee balm for your favorite flower, and if you've found a way to incorporate it into making soap or lotion yet.

We have an organic poultry farm, and I love all things herbal and natural. Unfortunately I'm not good at identifying wild herbs, and haven't found a source yet that will show me.

I also use the goat milk from our goats to make soap, and am working on making lotions from it.

Anyway Welcome

Lorene

In a message dated 12/26/2006 4:30:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kelligirl710 writes:

Name: KellianneFavorite flower: Bee Balm, all herbs in bloomAny Hobbies: Soapmaking is a true passion, gardening, cooking, crafting in general, sewing, herbal health.Favorite thing to shop for: Soap supplies (how insane is that??), shoes, perennials and seeds. I love the hardware store!Where do you live? Southeast Michigan

Report post · February 28, 2007

--- hi and a big welcome

here is some info that is well to be aware of

and may explain some things going on