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[Guest guest]

Hi Hugo,

 

What's the tongue and pulses look like?

[Guest guest]

--- adammoes wrote: > Hi Hugo,

> What's the tongue and pulses look like?

 

..sigh.. hi adam , hey how come you're writing to me

in yellow on white? I like the font, tho.

Pulses are generally deficient on the left side, and

small and superficial, sometimes floating, on the

right. Don't pay too much attention to that though, my

pulse-reading is not to be relied on too much, i

think.

The tongue is pale, slightly scalloped, small patches

of yellow fur on otherwise smooth tongue. Slightly

glossy. Small cracks on top third (upper warmer).

Hope that helps.

Hugo

 

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Hi Hugo

So sorry, could you please refresh our memory of the whole case including tongue and pulse?

It's actually getting kind of busy online.

[Guest guest]

> Insulin-independent diabetes. Kidney Yin and Kidney

>Energy deficiency. Responding well to treatment

>overall, though has a strange symptom which I don't

>know what to make of: Rash on Penis which develops

>into little 'cuts'. Has also developed a white patch

>(skin discolouration) on the head of penis.

> He is prone to fairly heavy sinus allergies this time

>of year although he hasn't experienced them this year

>so far.

 

Additional info: Tongue pale, slightly scalloped, small patches yellow fur

on otherwise smooth tongue. Slightly glossy. Small cracks on the upper

third (upper warmer).

 

Pulses deficient on left side; Small and superficial, sometimes floating on

right.

 

Keeping in mind that I'm not a doctor and that it's impossible for anyone to

analyze via email, what you describe raises the possibility of jock itch

(fungus infection). Fungus thrives on dead tissue so cleanliness and

dryness are important. Boxers vs. briefs may also be a factor. Men or women

who suffer Damp Heat in the genital area frequently will benefit from looser

underwear. Also, underwear made of natural fibers that " breathe " vs.

synthetic fibers that trap moisture and heat. Allergies to certain fabrics

also can trigger rashes.

 

Is this a damp rash or a dry rash? If the skin is splitting to the point

where it looks like " cuts " this suggests dryness. If there is dryness but a

rash, this suggests possible Blood Deficiency and/or Blood Stasis problems.

Blood moistens and nourishes skin and tissue.

 

If there also is " straining of the testis or contraction of the scrotum " ,

this suggests Stagnation of Cold in the Liver Channel. Maciocia gives the

following clinical manifestations: " Fullness and distension of the

hypogastrium (just over the bladder) with pain which refers to the scrotum

and testis. Straing of the testis or contraction of the scrotum. In women

there can be shrinking of the vagina. The pain is alleviated by warmth.

Tongue: Pale, wet, white coating. Pulse: Wiry-Deep-Slow. Key symptoms:

hypogastric pain referring to scrotum, Wiry-Deep-Slow Pulse. " (Foundations,

p. 224) (The Liver meridian flows around the genital area.)

 

What's causing his pale tongue? Blood Deficiency, Yang Deficiency, Qi

Deficiency? I wonder if Qi Deficiency by itself would be enough to account

for a pale tongue considering that the man is Yin Deficient.

 

Lynn M. Kuchinski has the following to say in her book Controlling Diabetes

Naturally with : Although there are many patterns one may

encounter in patients with either hypoglycemia or diabetes, the spleen and

stomach sit squaraely in the center of the disease mechanisms leading to

diabetes. In this case, the stomach is typically hot and dry, thus damaging

yin fluids, while the spleen is typically damp and weak. Mix in liver

depression due to stress, kidney vacuity due to age, and blood stasis due to

enduring disease and one has the most common disease mechanisms leading to

this condition. " (p. 63)

 

For those new to TCM, diabetes frequently is divided into Upper (Lungs),

Middle (Stomach), and Lower (Kidneys) Wasting depending on which is

predominate. If the excessive thirst predominates and there is Heat and

Dryness in the Lungs, a dry mouth and lips, etc. it's Upper Wasting. If the

excessive hunger predominates and/or there are signs of Stomach Yin

Deficiency and/or Stomach Fire such as the lack of tongue coating, this

usually is Middle Wasting. In Lower Wasting the excessive urination will

predominate and the urine will be very turbid (even greasy appearing).

Lower Wasting can be due to straight (or nearly straight) Kidney Yin

Deficiency, or there can be dual Kidney Yin and Kidney Yang Deficiency. In

the case of dual Deficiency, the person may be urinating every time s/he

takes a drink. There may be a blackish tint to the facial complexion and

the rims or the ears or auricles may appear scorched. This one can present

with a pale tongue and a " deep, fine, forceless pulse. " (p. 56)

 

One thing to keep in mind with Kidney Qi Deficiency is that incontinence is

a possible symptom. This also can take the form of dribbling urine at

various time. Qi is what keeps things contained when they should be

contained. When there is a dribbling of urine throughout the day, frequent

cleaning and drying and a frequent change of underwear may be necessary to

prevent rashes.

 

Victoria

 

 

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Hi Judy, Thanks for all the info.

The reason I didn't give a more complete history is

that I was hoping someone would simply recognise the

symptom. Sorry!

 

--- Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon

> Additional info: Tongue pale, slightly scalloped,

> small patches yellow fur

> on otherwise smooth tongue. Slightly glossy. Small

> cracks on the upper

> third (upper warmer).

 

> Keeping in mind that I'm not a doctor

 

That's weird. Why not?

 

I shouldn't have said that his tongue is pale. The

most recent time I saw him before these symptoms

appeared it was a light pink heading to pale, but

usually it is pink. He does not have cold symptoms and

his urine is never turbid etc. He does have a problem

with astringency - thus my general diagnosis of kidney

yin down / kidney qi down.

 

> Is this a damp rash or a dry rash? If the skin is

> splitting to the point

> where it looks like " cuts " this suggests dryness. If

> there is dryness but a

> rash, this suggests possible Blood Deficiency and/or

> Blood Stasis problems.

> Blood moistens and nourishes skin and tissue.

 

It's a dry rash.

 

A few days ago I decided what it was:

The penis is the 'ancestral tendon of the liver'. He

has liver yin and liver blood deficiency symptoms,

plus the kidney yin and qi vacuity. One or two days

previous to having this 'rash' appear he spent the

night with someone.

I think he overexerted himself and caused a dryness

(blood / fluid and yin vacuity) condition in his

ancestral tendon. The white discoloration has no

elevation, redness, itching or pain associated with

it, and seems to therefore be a cold / deficiency

symptom.

I did nothing but continue the same treatment (since

he lives in another city), and both the cuts and white

spot are now gone.

His ability to astringe is also a little better.

 

Anyway, sorry for the poor case study, bye for now,

Hugo

 

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> Insulin-independent diabetes. Kidney Yin and Kidney

> Energy deficiency. Responding well to treatment

> overall, though has a strange symptom which I don't

> know what to make of: Rash on Penis which develops

> into little 'cuts'. Has also developed a white patch

> (skin discolouration) on the head of penis.

> He is prone to fairly heavy sinus allergies this time

> of year although he hasn't experienced them this year

> so far.

 

First thing I think of reading this is Syphilis, which also appears

as kidney deficiency with 'damp-heat rushes'. Check if he has rashes

on his upper back, sore throat (might be in his history).

Syphilis hides in the luo-sidemeridians when latent.

It is being ignored nowadays since AIDS, and some MDs do misdiagnose

it because of its chameleon-like symptoms.

 

Another possibility might be genital herpes.

 

Add DengXinCao to 'guide' other herbs-actions into the penis.

[Guest guest]

tayfx wrote:

 

> Add DengXinCao to 'guide' other herbs-actions into the penis.

 

Deng Xin Cao guides to the hand tai yang (SI channel). I always

considered the penis to be a Liver channel thing, while the testicals

are more about the kidneys.

 

By the way, that was a very good post. Who are you, tayfx?

 

--

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http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com

 

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[Guest guest]

> I have one last idea - could it be chronic blood stagnation somehow

limiting

> his ability to respond even to yin? He responded so well to peony,

and the

> problem in the feet is one of the micro-vascular...........

 

I think it could be. The problems that can be caused by Blood Stasis

are a lot more varied than previously thought. One of the Blue Poppy

books traces most geriatric problems to a factor of Blood Stasis. One

doesn't have to be physically old to have the problems of old age

(and Blood Stasis). Voice of experience here.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

> I think it could be. The problems that can be caused by Blood Stasis

> are a lot more varied than previously thought. One of the Blue Poppy

> books traces most geriatric problems to a factor of Blood Stasis.

 

Yes I came across a bit of a clue in Bensky too. He talked about blood

stagnation, which is a huge part of syndrome x and other insulin resistant

states, and explained the differences in levels of stagnation. Yet all the

formulas were for blood stasis - and of course blood stasis is so severe,

the 'list of symptoms' always frightened me off the herbs. Actually the

hebralist I was using frightened me off Dan Shen too, but I notice it is

used in several commercial equine formulas.

 

I think maybe there are modern diseases which require modern solutions?

Whatever is happening to these insulin resistant, premature ageing horses,

there is a sudden dramatic increase in cases over the last 10 years - just

like the human diabetic epidemic. Cushings was the only cause of insulin

resistance, and only seen in older horses - like 20+. Now it is suddenly

being diagnosed in horses as young as 5 and 6.

 

I had been using bai shao, mu dan pi, a little dang gui and some yu jin -

but the latter was in the kd formula which he never had much of. I might try

more of that approach.

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

> I think maybe there are modern diseases which require modern

solutions?

 

I agree. Many modern people face things that the ancient Chinese

simply did not face.

 

One famous example of Chinese medicine expanding as new challenges

arose was when the Chinese began to face diseases characterized by

very high fever that could overwhelm the strongest Protective Qi.

The old model of 6 Stages of Cold-Induced Illness simply did not hold-

up in the face of these new challenges. So the Chinese developed the

Virulent Heat Evil model (with its 4 levels) for dealing with these.

 

> Whatever is happening to these insulin resistant, premature ageing

horses,

> there is a sudden dramatic increase in cases over the last 10

years - just

> like the human diabetic epidemic. Cushings was the only cause of

insulin

> resistance, and only seen in older horses - like 20+. Now it is

suddenly

> being diagnosed in horses as young as 5 and 6.

 

Some are going to try to explain this as a " fad diagnosis " - just

like the rise in autism, hypoglycemia, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,

etc. in humans have been falsely attributed to " fad diagnosis " . They

aren't. It's happening. Some things to consider are diet, pollution

(in general and specific toxins in particular), the widespread use of

antibiotics, genetically engineered foods, and vaccinations.

 

A lot of people think that antibiotics are added to animal feed to

prevent disease. They aren't. Antibiotics are added in order to get

animals to grow bigger quicker. For example, it's possible to get a

chicken from hatching to table size in 7 weeks instead of 9 by adding

antibiotics to the feed. Also, many poultry companies are owned by

pharmaceutical companies in a vertical company arrangement. The

parent company is making plenty of money selling antibiotics to the

poultry division. In a vertical company arrangement it's not

necessary for all divisions to be profitable in order for the company

as a whole to be very profitable.

 

Britain in particular has had a problem with adding dead animals to

the feed for other animals of the same species or adding them to feed

for animals which are herbivoures.

 

Poor diet not only includes including things that shouldn't be in the

feed but leaving out things that need to be in it. As a rule I am

very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the

case of babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk).

Modern science simply does not know enough to formulate artificial

diets, and something which is needed gets left out. For example,

scientists used to believe that vitamin C alone did some things for

the body. Then the role of bioflavonoids was discovered, and that

these needed to be added in addition to the vitamin C.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

> Some are going to try to explain this as a " fad diagnosis " - just

> like the rise in autism, hypoglycemia, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,

> etc. in humans have been falsely attributed to " fad diagnosis " . They

> aren't. It's happening.

 

I agree. No-one is saying fad diagnosis, but they are saying 'thrifty

gene' - but that's bolony IMO, my horses for instance come from a long line

of racehorses and olympic event horses - not little fat native ponies!!

 

 

Some things to consider are diet, pollution

> (in general and specific toxins in particular), the widespread use of

> antibiotics, genetically engineered foods, and vaccinations.

 

I think background eg water pollution is highest on the list, my gelding for

instance has had nothing but pure 'raw ingredient' food his whole life.

 

> Poor diet not only includes including things that shouldn't be in the

> feed but leaving out things that need to be in it.

 

That is correct - the mildest can be corrected by optimum nutrition, but

that includes far higher levels of eg anti-oxidents than horses have ever

needed.

 

But it is confusing, because what is happening is like accelerated ageing,

rather than a catching of a disease per se.

 

As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the

> case of babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk).

 

That is a proven link - bottle fed babies are more likely to grow into

insulin resistant adults.

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Dear Jackie,

 

I think you just said what I have been saying all along, Too much of the wrong

food, too much going to the doctor for anti-biotics, genetic engineered food,

pollution, these are all things I have said for years are our main problems.

 

You do not have to be a scientist to understand health, whether it be with

animals or humans. Stay away from doctors vets or otherwise and you will be

much better off and your animals also.

 

The term " what you eat is what you are, " is self-explanatory, needs no

defining. This is everything that eats, animals, bugs, whether amphibian or land

creatures. Do we live in a world where food has no meaning or consequences to

those who eat?

 

Well, I hope you realize food and everything around us that eats has its effects

on our bodies and our health.

 

Sincerely

 

 

Ray

 

jackie <jackie wrote:

 

> Some are going to try to explain this as a " fad diagnosis " - just

> like the rise in autism, hypoglycemia, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,

> etc. in humans have been falsely attributed to " fad diagnosis " . They

> aren't. It's happening.

 

I agree. No-one is saying fad diagnosis, but they are saying 'thrifty

gene' - but that's bolony IMO, my horses for instance come from a long line

of racehorses and olympic event horses - not little fat native ponies!!

 

 

Some things to consider are diet, pollution

> (in general and specific toxins in particular), the widespread use of

> antibiotics, genetically engineered foods, and vaccinations.

 

I think background eg water pollution is highest on the list, my gelding for

instance has had nothing but pure 'raw ingredient' food his whole life.

 

> Poor diet not only includes including things that shouldn't be in the

> feed but leaving out things that need to be in it.

 

That is correct - the mildest can be corrected by optimum nutrition, but

that includes far higher levels of eg anti-oxidents than horses have ever

needed.

 

But it is confusing, because what is happening is like accelerated ageing,

rather than a catching of a disease per se.

 

As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the

> case of babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk).

 

That is a proven link - bottle fed babies are more likely to grow into

insulin resistant adults.

 

Jackie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I think you just said what I have been saying all along,

 

Not really Ray - your implication was that if you avoid a few obvious,

identifiable things, all will be well.

 

My position is that serious ill-health is being caused by things that cannot

be avoided or indentified.

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

> You do not have to be a scientist to understand health, whether it

be with animals or humans. Stay away from doctors vets or otherwise

and you will be much better off and your animals also.

 

This is irresponsible advice. While I acknowledge that people need

to learn more and take more responsibility for their own health, and

while I acknowledge that Western establishment medicine is in

critical shape and getting worse, I also acknowledge that there are

some things that Western allopathic medicine can do that no other

school of healing can do. The challenge is not to dump Western

allopathic medicine entirely but to use it more wisely and more

effectively. There are going to be times when some people need

allopathic medicine as nothing else will do in their cases or do as

effectively.

 

There are a lot of cases where a combination of different schools of

healing are going to be what's best for the individual. For example,

some of the serious blood disorders like leukemia respond best to a

combination of Western medicine and TCM. The combined whole is

greater than the sum of the parts.

 

I have a copy of Back to Eden, and have had it for years. It has

been very helpful. For example I learned about the use of thyme tea

for digestive system problems (and the resulting bad dreams because

of digestive problems) from the book. There is a lot of very useful

information to be gained from the book and I recommend it. BUT, the

info contained in the book is not enough to solve every health

problem. If it were I would have been well years ago. The book is a

part of an arsenal of healing information, not the entire arsenal.

 

There are a lot of challenges that healers have to face as they get

better and better at what they do. One of the challenges that many

healers face is at some point having to let go of what I call a

superstitious, talisman-like regard of a particular school of

healing - be it Western allopathic, Western herbalism, TCM,

chiropractry, etc. Instead of facing and dealing with the normal

fears of what if I one day get sick and the very uncomfortable fact

that bad things sometimes happen to good people, they cling to the

belief that if they just follow one particular " Holy Grail " of

healing, one particular diet, etc. that they never ever will get sick

and everything will be peachy-keen in their lives. It doesn't work

that way.

 

The most productive attitude and approach for a healer or a patient

to have is a realistic " This is serious! I may not be able to do

anything, but I'm going to try my best. " Fatalism, " Fated to suffer

and die " is not only quite literally the kiss of death when it comes

to healing, it's also is very unrealistic. There are plenty examples

of times when the " uncurable " and the " hopeless " turned out to be

curable and hopeful.

 

The " talisman " approach gets people more time and better results than

the " fated to suffer and die " approach does, but it too is very

limited and is not the wisest approach. The main problem that arises

is that it can become a type of denial. The person is so caught up

in wanting to believe that if s/he will just follow this one

particular diet or this one particular school of healing everything

will be fine, that the person is apt to miss things that would help.

When people are telling themselves that there is not really a problem

because they have THE magic, One and Only answer (denial), they are

not spending any time or energy trying to find something that will

work.

 

As misused as they have been, even antibiotics have a place in

healing. I'm too young to remember people dying of infections that

can be treated by antibiotics, but I'm old enough to remember stories

of people who died before their discovery. And even before Fleming

discovered penicillian, there were folk healers who were using pieces

of moldly bread to treat infections. It was a very hit or miss

proposition until after Fleming made his discoveries, but antibiotics

were being used before his discoveries.

 

Most of the problems that Western allopathic medicine now suffers

from can be traced to greed. The problem is not in the antibiotics

themselves but in their misuse and overuse. Most of the rest of the

problems come from a talisman-like rigidity in thinking. Just

because an " anti " approach worked so well in some cases of infection,

it does not follow that this is THE One and Only correct approach in

all cases of healing.

 

One of the strengths of TCM is that the understanding that there are

different approaches is built into it. This is one of the things

that benefits Western healers most as they start to learn TCM. They

start to realize that even though the anti approach is the best in

some cases, it is not the best approach in all cases. Sometimes

building up is called for. Sometimes a combination of anti and

building up. Etc.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Well written article I'm going along with everything you have said

but this is the only part that concerns me .... As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the case of

babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk) .... I'm not in total

agreement there are choices and they maybe difficult ones to find. A baby can

use herb called Slippery Elm which is absolutely nutritious. There are other

food that can be put together at home for babies. Catnip and fenneluse

together/combined is very calming and supportive to adults and babies digestive

system. Thank you. Hopefully I'm adding to what you have already said.

 

Ray Zielinski <rmk_12z wrote:

Dear Jackie,

 

I think you just said what I have been saying all along, Too much of the wrong

food, too much going to the doctor for anti-biotics, genetic engineered food,

pollution, these are all things I have said for years are our main problems.

 

You do not have to be a scientist to understand health, whether it be with

animals or humans. Stay away from doctors vets or otherwise and you will be

much better off and your animals also.

 

The term " what you eat is what you are, " is self-explanatory, needs no

defining. This is everything that eats, animals, bugs, whether amphibian or land

creatures. Do we live in a world where food has no meaning or consequences to

those who eat?

 

Well, I hope you realize food and everything around us that eats has its effects

on our bodies and our health.

 

Sincerely

 

 

Ray

 

jackie <jackie wrote:

 

> Some are going to try to explain this as a " fad diagnosis " - just

> like the rise in autism, hypoglycemia, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,

> etc. in humans have been falsely attributed to " fad diagnosis " . They

> aren't. It's happening.

 

I agree. No-one is saying fad diagnosis, but they are saying 'thrifty

gene' - but that's bolony IMO, my horses for instance come from a long line

of racehorses and olympic event horses - not little fat native ponies!!

 

 

Some things to consider are diet, pollution

> (in general and specific toxins in particular), the widespread use of

> antibiotics, genetically engineered foods, and vaccinations.

 

I think background eg water pollution is highest on the list, my gelding for

instance has had nothing but pure 'raw ingredient' food his whole life.

 

> Poor diet not only includes including things that shouldn't be in the

> feed but leaving out things that need to be in it.

 

That is correct - the mildest can be corrected by optimum nutrition, but

that includes far higher levels of eg anti-oxidents than horses have ever

needed.

 

But it is confusing, because what is happening is like accelerated ageing,

rather than a catching of a disease per se.

 

As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the

> case of babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk).

 

That is a proven link - bottle fed babies are more likely to grow into

insulin resistant adults.

 

Jackie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mitchell,

 

As anything else there are always those exceptions to the rule because of

extenuating circumstances. That means it is up to us to do our own research to

find solutions to a problem and not let it up to anyone else.

 

There are so many problems that exist which we have no clue about so, what does

that mean? It means we need to look for a possible solution that meets the need.

 

I always first go to my books to find as much information about the problem I

can, which others have experienced and use their knowledge to bolster mine. The

best books I know are, " BACK TO EDEN " by Jethro Kloss and " NEW LIFE THROUGH

NUTRITION " by Dr.. Sheldon C. Deal.

 

Both books cover almost all the things you might run across in health and give

you sensible treatment for them, all natural, NO DRUGS.

 

Sincerely

 

Ray

 

mitchell shelford <mytchell37 wrote:

Well written article I'm going along with everything you have said

but this is the only part that concerns me .... As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the case of

babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk) .... I'm not in total

agreement there are choices and they maybe difficult ones to find. A baby can

use herb called Slippery Elm which is absolutely nutritious. There are other

food that can be put together at home for babies. Catnip and fenneluse

together/combined is very calming and supportive to adults and babies digestive

system. Thank you. Hopefully I'm adding to what you have already said.

 

Ray Zielinski <rmk_12z wrote:

Dear Jackie,

 

I think you just said what I have been saying all along, Too much of the wrong

food, too much going to the doctor for anti-biotics, genetic engineered food,

pollution, these are all things I have said for years are our main problems.

 

You do not have to be a scientist to understand health, whether it be with

animals or humans. Stay away from doctors vets or otherwise and you will be

much better off and your animals also.

 

The term " what you eat is what you are, " is self-explanatory, needs no

defining. This is everything that eats, animals, bugs, whether amphibian or land

creatures. Do we live in a world where food has no meaning or consequences to

those who eat?

 

Well, I hope you realize food and everything around us that eats has its effects

on our bodies and our health.

 

Sincerely

 

 

Ray

 

jackie <jackie wrote:

 

> Some are going to try to explain this as a " fad diagnosis " - just

> like the rise in autism, hypoglycemia, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,

> etc. in humans have been falsely attributed to " fad diagnosis " . They

> aren't. It's happening.

 

I agree. No-one is saying fad diagnosis, but they are saying 'thrifty

gene' - but that's bolony IMO, my horses for instance come from a long line

of racehorses and olympic event horses - not little fat native ponies!!

 

 

Some things to consider are diet, pollution

> (in general and specific toxins in particular), the widespread use of

> antibiotics, genetically engineered foods, and vaccinations.

 

I think background eg water pollution is highest on the list, my gelding for

instance has had nothing but pure 'raw ingredient' food his whole life.

 

> Poor diet not only includes including things that shouldn't be in the

> feed but leaving out things that need to be in it.

 

That is correct - the mildest can be corrected by optimum nutrition, but

that includes far higher levels of eg anti-oxidents than horses have ever

needed.

 

But it is confusing, because what is happening is like accelerated ageing,

rather than a catching of a disease per se.

 

As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the

> case of babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk).

 

That is a proven link - bottle fed babies are more likely to grow into

insulin resistant adults.

 

Jackie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Victoria,

 

There is not enough books written to cover all the problems of our health so

what does that mean? First and foremost is we are responsible for our health no

one else is.

 

Second, it doesn't take much to figure out if you have liver problems you need

to see what might be causing them. There are enough things known and written to

give us a clue to what possibly might be wrong with our liver.

 

Third, not all problems are going to be solved, maybe alleviated to some degree

or another. After all 30, 40, 50, years of body abuse is very hard to overcome.

 

Let me give you an illustration of what I mean and then maybe you might

understand my side of what I am saying.

 

A few years back I started to season my food a little morew then I usually do,

which is never. Anyways, I used black pepper and one day I got a growth on my

little toe on the right foot. It began to hurt. It turned redder and sorer each

day.

 

I had no idea what was wrong,but knew I had to take care of this problem or have

a big problem with my toe and foot. I looked up things about feet and didn't

find anything that corresponded to my problem.

 

I then looked at my food intake and what I was using that was different from

normal. I then started to eliminate things that I thought might cause this

problem. It was when I eliminated the pepper my trouble disappeared and hasn't

returned since.

 

What is the moral to the story? I will let you decide.

 

We are responsible for our health and when we treat our bodies like a garbage

can then what can we expect? We are told our bodies are temples, if so, then how

should we treat it whether with food, or anything else.

 

Things don't just happen there is cause and effect in everything we do.

Sometimes there are things we may not understand, but it doesn't mean it just

happened for no reason or, cause.

 

Thanks For Your Message

 

Ray

 

 

 

victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon wrote:

> You do not have to be a scientist to understand health, whether it

be with animals or humans. Stay away from doctors vets or otherwise

and you will be much better off and your animals also.

 

This is irresponsible advice. While I acknowledge that people need

to learn more and take more responsibility for their own health, and

while I acknowledge that Western establishment medicine is in

critical shape and getting worse, I also acknowledge that there are

some things that Western allopathic medicine can do that no other

school of healing can do. The challenge is not to dump Western

allopathic medicine entirely but to use it more wisely and more

effectively. There are going to be times when some people need

allopathic medicine as nothing else will do in their cases or do as

effectively.

 

There are a lot of cases where a combination of different schools of

healing are going to be what's best for the individual. For example,

some of the serious blood disorders like leukemia respond best to a

combination of Western medicine and TCM. The combined whole is

greater than the sum of the parts.

 

I have a copy of Back to Eden, and have had it for years. It has

been very helpful. For example I learned about the use of thyme tea

for digestive system problems (and the resulting bad dreams because

of digestive problems) from the book. There is a lot of very useful

information to be gained from the book and I recommend it. BUT, the

info contained in the book is not enough to solve every health

problem. If it were I would have been well years ago. The book is a

part of an arsenal of healing information, not the entire arsenal.

 

There are a lot of challenges that healers have to face as they get

better and better at what they do. One of the challenges that many

healers face is at some point having to let go of what I call a

superstitious, talisman-like regard of a particular school of

healing - be it Western allopathic, Western herbalism, TCM,

chiropractry, etc. Instead of facing and dealing with the normal

fears of what if I one day get sick and the very uncomfortable fact

that bad things sometimes happen to good people, they cling to the

belief that if they just follow one particular " Holy Grail " of

healing, one particular diet, etc. that they never ever will get sick

and everything will be peachy-keen in their lives. It doesn't work

that way.

 

The most productive attitude and approach for a healer or a patient

to have is a realistic " This is serious! I may not be able to do

anything, but I'm going to try my best. " Fatalism, " Fated to suffer

and die " is not only quite literally the kiss of death when it comes

to healing, it's also is very unrealistic. There are plenty examples

of times when the " uncurable " and the " hopeless " turned out to be

curable and hopeful.

 

The " talisman " approach gets people more time and better results than

the " fated to suffer and die " approach does, but it too is very

limited and is not the wisest approach. The main problem that arises

is that it can become a type of denial. The person is so caught up

in wanting to believe that if s/he will just follow this one

particular diet or this one particular school of healing everything

will be fine, that the person is apt to miss things that would help.

When people are telling themselves that there is not really a problem

because they have THE magic, One and Only answer (denial), they are

not spending any time or energy trying to find something that will

work.

 

As misused as they have been, even antibiotics have a place in

healing. I'm too young to remember people dying of infections that

can be treated by antibiotics, but I'm old enough to remember stories

of people who died before their discovery. And even before Fleming

discovered penicillian, there were folk healers who were using pieces

of moldly bread to treat infections. It was a very hit or miss

proposition until after Fleming made his discoveries, but antibiotics

were being used before his discoveries.

 

Most of the problems that Western allopathic medicine now suffers

from can be traced to greed. The problem is not in the antibiotics

themselves but in their misuse and overuse. Most of the rest of the

problems come from a talisman-like rigidity in thinking. Just

because an " anti " approach worked so well in some cases of infection,

it does not follow that this is THE One and Only correct approach in

all cases of healing.

 

One of the strengths of TCM is that the understanding that there are

different approaches is built into it. This is one of the things

that benefits Western healers most as they start to learn TCM. They

start to realize that even though the anti approach is the best in

some cases, it is not the best approach in all cases. Sometimes

building up is called for. Sometimes a combination of anti and

building up. Etc.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Jackie,

 

Ok, give me a for instance in your thinking what is unavoidable or

unidentifiable in our health process.

 

Ray

 

jackie <jackie wrote:

 

> I think you just said what I have been saying all along,

 

Not really Ray - your implication was that if you avoid a few obvious,

identifiable things, all will be well.

 

My position is that serious ill-health is being caused by things that cannot

be avoided or indentified.

 

Jackie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have several books myself. The one I will list here is The Ultimate Healing

System by Donald Lepore ND. I will look fo New Life T Nutri. the other one I

have

 

Ray Zielinski <rmk_12z wrote:

Dear Mitchell,

 

As anything else there are always those exceptions to the rule because of

extenuating circumstances. That means it is up to us to do our own research to

find solutions to a problem and not let it up to anyone else.

 

There are so many problems that exist which we have no clue about so, what does

that mean? It means we need to look for a possible solution that meets the need.

 

I always first go to my books to find as much information about the problem I

can, which others have experienced and use their knowledge to bolster mine. The

best books I know are, " BACK TO EDEN " by Jethro Kloss and " NEW LIFE THROUGH

NUTRITION " by Dr.. Sheldon C. Deal.

 

Both books cover almost all the things you might run across in health and give

you sensible treatment for them, all natural, NO DRUGS.

 

Sincerely

 

Ray

 

mitchell shelford <mytchell37 wrote:

Well written article I'm going along with everything you have said

but this is the only part that concerns me .... As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the case of

babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk) .... I'm not in total

agreement there are choices and they maybe difficult ones to find. A baby can

use herb called Slippery Elm which is absolutely nutritious. There are other

food that can be put together at home for babies. Catnip and fenneluse

together/combined is very calming and supportive to adults and babies digestive

system. Thank you. Hopefully I'm adding to what you have already said.

 

Ray Zielinski <rmk_12z wrote:

Dear Jackie,

 

I think you just said what I have been saying all along, Too much of the wrong

food, too much going to the doctor for anti-biotics, genetic engineered food,

pollution, these are all things I have said for years are our main problems.

 

You do not have to be a scientist to understand health, whether it be with

animals or humans. Stay away from doctors vets or otherwise and you will be

much better off and your animals also.

 

The term " what you eat is what you are, " is self-explanatory, needs no

defining. This is everything that eats, animals, bugs, whether amphibian or land

creatures. Do we live in a world where food has no meaning or consequences to

those who eat?

 

Well, I hope you realize food and everything around us that eats has its effects

on our bodies and our health.

 

Sincerely

 

 

Ray

 

jackie <jackie wrote:

 

> Some are going to try to explain this as a " fad diagnosis " - just

> like the rise in autism, hypoglycemia, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,

> etc. in humans have been falsely attributed to " fad diagnosis " . They

> aren't. It's happening.

 

I agree. No-one is saying fad diagnosis, but they are saying 'thrifty

gene' - but that's bolony IMO, my horses for instance come from a long line

of racehorses and olympic event horses - not little fat native ponies!!

 

 

Some things to consider are diet, pollution

> (in general and specific toxins in particular), the widespread use of

> antibiotics, genetically engineered foods, and vaccinations.

 

I think background eg water pollution is highest on the list, my gelding for

instance has had nothing but pure 'raw ingredient' food his whole life.

 

> Poor diet not only includes including things that shouldn't be in the

> feed but leaving out things that need to be in it.

 

That is correct - the mildest can be corrected by optimum nutrition, but

that includes far higher levels of eg anti-oxidents than horses have ever

needed.

 

But it is confusing, because what is happening is like accelerated ageing,

rather than a catching of a disease per se.

 

As a rule I am

> very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in the

> case of babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers' milk).

 

That is a proven link - bottle fed babies are more likely to grow into

insulin resistant adults.

 

Jackie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Ok, give me a for instance in your thinking what is unavoidable or

unidentifiable >in our health process.

 

In my horses case, something in the air he breaths or the water he drinks,

or something in the rain that falls on the forage he eats. Or something that

altered his dams DNA, like strontium from Chernobyl for instance - plenty of

that fell on the UK, and was evident in her blood when I had a blood mineral

analysis.

 

All post-war grass pasture is made from 'improved' species - who knows what

the longterm effects of that might be? What if water turns out to 'have

memory', and all the chemicals that have been 'cleaned' from the water we

drink are still there acting like homeopathic medicine? What if the hole in

the ozone is causing damage to equine pineal gland function in a way that

no-one yet realises? Ye gads I've even heard theories that electro-magnetic

radiation bursts (or somesuch) from aircraft, in combination with

organophosphates affects

livestock!! That is a heavily researched theory for mad cow disease - the

'meat products in feed' theory does not stack up when animals who have never

had such feed contract the disease. Maybe some of the limestone he had for

calcium as a foal was contaminated with hexavalent chromium....you can go on

for ever.

 

There are a zillion possibilities apart from the obvious ones you site.

 

Jackie

[Guest guest]

> Let me give you an illustration of what I mean and then maybe you

might understand my side of what I am saying.

>

> A few years back I started to season my food a little morew then I

usually do, which is never. Anyways, I used black pepper and one day

I got a growth on my little toe on the right foot. It began to hurt.

It turned redder and sorer each day.

 

There are people for whom black pepper (and/or other pepper) is just

what they need to be restored to balance. In TCM it's classified as

an herb to Warm the Interior. It's thermal energy is very Hot. It

specifically targets the Stomach (and Large Intestine) and warms the

Middle Heater. It can stop stomach aches due to Cold. This is an

herb you definitely don't want to give to a person who suffers from

Yin Deficiency with Heat. (And it is recommended that one use a

decoction of the black pepper to season food instead of adding it

directly. The particles can be irritating to the intestines.)

 

Cayenne is one of the best herbs for people who are too Cold and

suffer from colonic inertia. It increases peritalsis. But it can

dissipate Qi ao you want to watch out for that possibility when using

it.

 

There are no one size fits all diets. What harms one person may help

another, and vice versa. TCM seeks to predict exactly when a person

will be helped or hurt by a particular food or herb. This is why the

Materia Medica always lists the contraindications and cautions in the

use of herbs. It's also why TCM healers are so careful about

arriving at a correct analysis.

 

One of the most key concepts in TCM is that of Hot and Cold. I urge

readers new to TCM to read the earliest messages in the message base

on Hot and Cold. All herbs (and foods) have thermal energy - Hot,

Warm, Neutral, Cool, or Cold. So many bad reactions can be avoided

when just the thermal balance of the individual, the condition, and

the herbs and foods are considered.

 

The diet which is right for me would be far too over-heating for most

people. Especially for those who are too Hot. The diet which is

correct for me in the winter would be too over-heating even for me in

the summer. A diet which is correct for you probably wouldn't be

warming enough for me, and would create problems for me. Or

aggravate existing problems.

 

BTW, in extreme cases, getting Hot or Cold wrong can cause death. A

person who is extremely Cold and in critical condition can be killed

by the use of herbs (and even foods) which are too Cold. Likewise a

person who is extremely Hot and in critical condition can be killed

by herbs and foods which are too Hot.

 

Usually Hot or Cold imbalances are more or less obvious. But one

does run into some special cases. One of these is True Cold - False

Heat, and the other is True Heat - False Cold. Both situations are

confusing because some of the signs and symptoms are misleading. For

example, a reddish complexion usually is a sign of Heat (and a true

sign), but in cases of extreme Yang Deficiency, the person may have a

reddish color to the complexion. It's caused by the very weakened

Yang breaking free and floating to the surface. This reddish

coloration will look like rogue on a very pale complextion. But if

someone isn't aware that this can happen, the person might see the

reddish color and conclude that the person is too Hot when in reality

the person is too Cold. Giving the person in this condition herbs

and foods that are Cold and which clear Heat could kill the person.

 

There are some messages in the message base on True Cold - False Heat

and on True Heat - False Cold. Maciocia also includes a section on

these in his book The Foundations of .

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

> Well written article I'm going along with everything you have said

> but this is the only part that concerns me .... As a rule I am

> > very opposed to formula diets (unless there is no choice like in

the case of babies allergic to all milk, even their mothers'

milk) .... I'm not in total agreement there are choices and they

maybe difficult ones to find. A baby can use herb called Slippery Elm

which is absolutely nutritious. There are other food that can be put

together at home for babies. Catnip and fenneluse together/combined

is very calming and supportive to adults and babies digestive

system. Thank you. Hopefully I'm adding to what you have already

said.

 

You are. Thanks for pointing out possible alternatives in some of

these cases. The more alternatives one is aware of, the more likely

that the person will find an alternative which is correct and safe

for the individual.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Dear Jackie,

 

Thank you for your return message.

 

I ask you what is the real problem? What you given me is not unidentifiable

because you just identified what might be the problem involved. Also we can go

to the extreme about problems like the hole in the ozone.

 

The hole was there supposedly when I raised horses but never had a problem from

it. If we extend the problems beyond hope then we will never findout the

problem.

 

If you have fallout from Cherynobel then that is a different problem and still

would show up. I raised horses for a long time and the thing I learned from them

is how tough they are against illness.

 

If you are not sure of your water change it. Get bottled water, preferrably

distilled because it is the purest you can get. If that dosen't work then you

have to look to something else being wrong. I have helped other people with

their sick horses and found they relied too much on the vet to keep their horses

well.

 

Actually without seeing your horses or their problems it is difficult to know

what is bothering them. I would just suggest, check your feed and your water and

what other animals you have them by. Animals do spread germs like humans also.

 

I hope this helps

 

Ray

 

 

 

jackie <jackie wrote:

> Ok, give me a for instance in your thinking what is unavoidable or

unidentifiable >in our health process.

 

In my horses case, something in the air he breaths or the water he drinks,

or something in the rain that falls on the forage he eats. Or something that

altered his dams DNA, like strontium from Chernobyl for instance - plenty of

that fell on the UK, and was evident in her blood when I had a blood mineral

analysis.

 

All post-war grass pasture is made from 'improved' species - who knows what

the longterm effects of that might be? What if water turns out to 'have

memory', and all the chemicals that have been 'cleaned' from the water we

drink are still there acting like homeopathic medicine? What if the hole in

the ozone is causing damage to equine pineal gland function in a way that

no-one yet realises? Ye gads I've even heard theories that electro-magnetic

radiation bursts (or somesuch) from aircraft, in combination with

organophosphates affects

livestock!! That is a heavily researched theory for mad cow disease - the

'meat products in feed' theory does not stack up when animals who have never

had such feed contract the disease. Maybe some of the limestone he had for

calcium as a foal was contaminated with hexavalent chromium....you can go on

for ever.

 

There are a zillion possibilities apart from the obvious ones you site.

 

Jackie

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>

> I ask you what is the real problem?

 

You can ask 'til you are blue in the face, but I repeat, in 18 years of

investigating and researching, no one has been able to find an answer.

 

Most horses ARE healthy, and easy to keep so - mine certainly never have the

kind of illnesses you are referring to ie ones that i can call on a vet for

a quick fix for, would that were the case. I have checked everything you

say - I did it all 18 years ago when this horses mothers illness first

became evident, and I have been vigilant throughout this horses life. I even

fetched water from a different source for her for months on end 'til we

moved, but they have lived in a dozen different locations, with a dozen

different sources of water and forage - and the illness remains, no change

has altered it in any way, so it seems highly unlikely diet is a cause -

unless the problem is ubiquitous. But, as I say, it is unidentifyable

anyway - I cannot change a source of a problem if it is not known.

 

I am not dependant on the vets because the vets have no idea what is wrong,

what could have caused it, or what to do about it.

 

You need to understand that there are some illnesses you cannot prevent, it

may even be genetic - that seems the most likely, as it was passed from

mother to son..

 

Jackie