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It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her

reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding

the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,

btw, I know he is reading this):

 

Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! "

 

The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the

most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being

promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over

the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will

" kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals

and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by

capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The

company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is

a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of

terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed

zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and

no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.

 

Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,

has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological

detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in

industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally

insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces

along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.

 

The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite

liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their

liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as

something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik

Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has

written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my

warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.

 

These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in

solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may

also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would

not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned

above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants

are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is

liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble

aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble

minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body.

 

The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their

mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether

tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,

aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting

zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a

liquified product.

 

In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely

this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions

about its safety:

 

*

 

What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and

inter-cellular spaces?

*

 

What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?

*

 

Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?

*

 

Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?

*

 

How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular

bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?

*

 

How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein

channel, or through the cell membrane?

*

 

What do they do to developing cells or tissue?

*

 

If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can

likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to

the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?

*

 

Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components

of the human cell), and, if so, how?

*

 

Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does

it affect DNA and RNA)?

*

 

Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?

*

 

Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do

they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or

auto-immune disease?

 

These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very

much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should

heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal

detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true

for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.

 

It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,

such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and

efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered

zeolite.

 

There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products

and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have

been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the

earth, hundreds of thousands of years.

 

In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the

entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no

known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide

multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people.

 

Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based

natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers

and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These

have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.

 

If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a

powdered product, not a liquid.

 

If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I

suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you

realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting

it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited

Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a

settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual

practice they are rarely or never actually sued.

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There are many chelators, however to get to the mercury in the brain, I've seen info saying that you need MSM to open the pathways. There is a lot of MSM out there on the market, and it's hard to tell which is best because of so many additives in the manufacturing process.

 

I order mine from Patrick McGean: organicsulfur

 

David

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/4/2008 9:12:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Yahsway writes:

 

great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

 

Sincerely,

 

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great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

 

Sincerely,

 

Michelle

 

-

Tony

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Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM

A warning about liquid zeolite

 

 

It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in herreservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regardingthe red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,btw, I know he is reading this):Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", themost prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are beingpromoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all overthe world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will"kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metalsand all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication bycapturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." Thecompany that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there isa study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers ofterminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumedzeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, andno peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biologicaldetoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used inindustrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normallyinsoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in fecesalong with the toxins that it has adsorbed.The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeoliteliquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that theirliquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them assomething that people should take to prevent and treat disease. RikDeitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, haswritten much about his product, including a diatribe against me for mywarnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now insolution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that mayalso contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This wouldnot be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentionedabove, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminantsare kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite isliquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain solublealuminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These solubleminerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body.The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where theirmineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whethertests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supportingzeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to aliquified product.In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is preciselythis crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questionsabout its safety:*What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell andinter-cellular spaces?*What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?*Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?*Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?*How do they react with each of the thousands of cellularbio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?*How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a proteinchannel, or through the cell membrane?*What do they do to developing cells or tissue?*If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they canlikely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do tothe neural membrane or to developing brain cells?*Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (componentsof the human cell), and, if so, how?*Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, doesit affect DNA and RNA)?*Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?*Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Dothey go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, orauto-immune disease?These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know verymuch about this material, and there are warning signs that we shouldheed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinaldetoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is truefor NCD and the other zeolite liquids.It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety andefficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powderedzeolite.There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral productsand food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans havebeen eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on theearth, hundreds of thousands of years.In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting theentire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has noknown therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwidemulti-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people.Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-basednatural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchersand physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. Thesehave been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get apowdered product, not a liquid.If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, Isuggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if yourealize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingestingit, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (LimitedLiability Corporation), which means that you can never collect asettlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actualpractice they are rarely or never actually sued.

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Michelle,

 

I have left a message for Tony, so that he is aware of this post and

your concerns as soon as he gets in.

 

I understand your concern and frustration. However, Tony was not

aware of these warnings until he received an email stating them very

recently. As soon as he became aware of them he made a post.

 

Dr. Lanphier made a post in this regard after Tony's post. You may

want to read that one in the interim.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote:

>

> great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist

ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove

mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help

for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman

that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a

warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking

this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder

information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I

need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Michelle

> -

> > oleander soup

> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM

> A warning about liquid zeolite

>

>

> It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her

> reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone

regarding

> the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the

sender,

> btw, I know he is reading this):

>

> Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! "

>

> The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid

Zeolite " , the

> most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are

being

> promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all

over

> the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will

> " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy

metals

> and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by

> capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like

structure. " The

> company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that

there is

> a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of

> terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed

> zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation,

and

> no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.

>

> Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are

made,

> has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for

biological

> detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also

used in

> industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally

> insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in

feces

> along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.

>

> The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite

> liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that

their

> liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as

> something that people should take to prevent and treat disease.

Rik

> Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD,

has

> written much about his product, including a diatribe against me

for my

> warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered

questions.

>

> These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in

> solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that

may

> also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This

would

> not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as

mentioned

> above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any

contaminants

> are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once

zeolite is

> liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain

soluble

> aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble

> minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the

human body.

>

> The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their

> mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether

> tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,

> aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting

> zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference

to a

> liquified product.

>

> In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is

precisely

> this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions

> about its safety:

>

> *

>

> What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and

> inter-cellular spaces?

> *

>

> What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?

> *

>

> Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?

> *

>

> Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they

excreted?

> *

>

> How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular

> bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty

acids?

> *

>

> How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein

> channel, or through the cell membrane?

> *

>

> What do they do to developing cells or tissue?

> *

>

> If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can

> likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do

to

> the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?

> *

>

> Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components

> of the human cell), and, if so, how?

> *

>

> Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does

> it affect DNA and RNA)?

> *

>

> Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?

> *

>

> Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do

> they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or

> auto-immune disease?

>

> These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very

> much about this material, and there are warning signs that we

should

> heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal

> detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is

true

> for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.

>

> It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health

activists,

> such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety

and

> efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered

> zeolite.

>

> There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral

products

> and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans

have

> been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on

the

> earth, hundreds of thousands of years.

>

> In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting

the

> entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that

has no

> known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide

> multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick

people.

>

> Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based

> natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known

researchers

> and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan.

These

> have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven

safe.

>

> If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get

a

> powdered product, not a liquid.

>

> If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I

> suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if

you

> realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of

ingesting

> it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC

(Limited

> Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a

> settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in

actual

> practice they are rarely or never actually sued.

>

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Michelle,

 

Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now.

 

Cheers.

 

Bob

 

-

ahzoov

oleander soup

Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:41 AM

Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

 

There are many chelators, however to get to the mercury in the brain, I've seen info saying that you need MSM to open the pathways. There is a lot of MSM out there on the market, and it's hard to tell which is best because of so many additives in the manufacturing process.

 

I order mine from Patrick McGean: organicsulfur

 

David

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/4/2008 9:12:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Yahsway writes:

 

great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

 

Sincerely,

 

Michelle

 

 

Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

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Michelle,

 

I am enclosing two links to both liquid zeolite products. Please review all literature on them... I think this will ease your fears.

 

http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/products/zeomax.html

 

http://www.cellularzeolitecenter.com/ZeoliteAutism.php

 

Good luck.

 

Bob

 

-

Michelle

oleander soup

Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:05 AM

Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

 

great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

 

Sincerely,

 

Michelle

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM

A warning about liquid zeolite

 

 

It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in herreservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regardingthe red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,btw, I know he is reading this):Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", themost prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are beingpromoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all overthe world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will"kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metalsand all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication bycapturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." Thecompany that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there isa study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers ofterminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumedzeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, andno peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biologicaldetoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used inindustrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normallyinsoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in fecesalong with the toxins that it has adsorbed.The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeoliteliquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that theirliquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them assomething that people should take to prevent and treat disease. RikDeitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, haswritten much about his product, including a diatribe against me for mywarnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now insolution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that mayalso contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This wouldnot be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentionedabove, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminantsare kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite isliquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain solublealuminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These solubleminerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body.The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where theirmineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whethertests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supportingzeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to aliquified product.In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is preciselythis crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questionsabout its safety:*What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell andinter-cellular spaces?*What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?*Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?*Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?*How do they react with each of the thousands of cellularbio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?*How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a proteinchannel, or through the cell membrane?*What do they do to developing cells or tissue?*If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they canlikely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do tothe neural membrane or to developing brain cells?*Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (componentsof the human cell), and, if so, how?*Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, doesit affect DNA and RNA)?*Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?*Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Dothey go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, orauto-immune disease?These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know verymuch about this material, and there are warning signs that we shouldheed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinaldetoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is truefor NCD and the other zeolite liquids.It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety andefficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powderedzeolite.There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral productsand food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans havebeen eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on theearth, hundreds of thousands of years.In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting theentire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has noknown therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwidemulti-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people.Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-basednatural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchersand physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. Thesehave been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get apowdered product, not a liquid.If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, Isuggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if yourealize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingestingit, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (LimitedLiability Corporation), which means that you can never collect asettlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actualpractice they are rarely or never actually sued.

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Bob,

 

Thank you but I already purchased the natural cellular defense version. Does anyone have any data saying this one is safe? This is the one that is said in the past e-mails not safe. I am very worried because this is what I put my husband.

 

I alps purchased metal magic any comments on this???

 

 

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bbanever

oleander soup

Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:04 AM

Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

 

 

 

Michelle,

 

I am enclosing two links to both liquid zeolite products. Please review all literature on them... I think this will ease your fears.

 

http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/products/zeomax.html

 

http://www.cellularzeolitecenter.com/ZeoliteAutism.php

 

Good luck.

 

Bob

 

-

Michelle

oleander soup

Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:05 AM

Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

 

great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

 

Sincerely,

 

Michelle

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM

A warning about liquid zeolite

 

 

It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in herreservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regardingthe red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,btw, I know he is reading this):Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", themost prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are beingpromoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all overthe world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will"kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metalsand all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication bycapturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." Thecompany that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there isa study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers ofterminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumedzeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, andno peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biologicaldetoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used inindustrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normallyinsoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in fecesalong with the toxins that it has adsorbed.The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeoliteliquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that theirliquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them assomething that people should take to prevent and treat disease. RikDeitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, haswritten much about his product, including a diatribe against me for mywarnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now insolution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that mayalso contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This wouldnot be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentionedabove, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminantsare kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite isliquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain solublealuminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These solubleminerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body.The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where theirmineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whethertests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supportingzeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to aliquified product.In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is preciselythis crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questionsabout its safety:*What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell andinter-cellular spaces?*What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?*Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?*Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?*How do they react with each of the thousands of cellularbio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?*How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a proteinchannel, or through the cell membrane?*What do they do to developing cells or tissue?*If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they canlikely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do tothe neural membrane or to developing brain cells?*Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (componentsof the human cell), and, if so, how?*Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, doesit affect DNA and RNA)?*Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?*Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Dothey go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, orauto-immune disease?These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know verymuch about this material, and there are warning signs that we shouldheed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinaldetoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is truefor NCD and the other zeolite liquids.It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety andefficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powderedzeolite.There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral productsand food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans havebeen eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on theearth, hundreds of thousands of years.In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting theentire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has noknown therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwidemulti-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people.Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-basednatural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchersand physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. Thesehave been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get apowdered product, not a liquid.If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, Isuggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if yourealize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingestingit, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (LimitedLiability Corporation), which means that you can never collect asettlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actualpractice they are rarely or never actually sued.

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Was it waiora's brand???

 

 

 

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bbanever

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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:59 AM

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Michelle,

 

Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now.

 

Cheers.

 

Bob

 

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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:41 AM

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There are many chelators, however to get to the mercury in the brain, I've seen info saying that you need MSM to open the pathways. There is a lot of MSM out there on the market, and it's hard to tell which is best because of so many additives in the manufacturing process.

 

I order mine from Patrick McGean: organicsulfur (AT) sisna (DOT) com

 

David

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/4/2008 9:12:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Yahsway (AT) comcast (DOT) net writes:

 

great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

 

Sincerely,

 

Michelle

 

 

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Thank you so much for the warning. There are so many

substances that " sound good in theory " but all the

dots haven't been connected to assess the

implications.

 

Also thinking about the LLC (Limited Liability

Company) and the 'untouchable' status.

 

Maybe it would be wise NOT to purchase from companies

who have found it advisable to make themselves

" judgement proof " . They must have some degree of

paranoia about the product.

 

NEV

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What brand of liquid zeolite are you using? I think that the NCD made

by Waiora and the Zeomax are both good. The main concern I have is

for the product made by the Liquid Zeolite Company which has humus in

it. Great for plants, but perhaps not safe for humans.

 

I am not all-knowing and all-seeing about all issues of natural

health. It appears that I made a bad call initially when I posted a

link to the LZC site and I apologize. If you have spent several

hundred dollars on zeolite, I doubt that you bought the LZC product -

it sells for only $20 a bottle, so you probably are OK.

 

 

oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote:

>

> great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist

ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove

mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help

for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman

that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning

about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this

product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder

information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need

to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Michelle

> -

> > oleander soup

> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM

> A warning about liquid zeolite

>

>

> It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her

> reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding

> the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,

> btw, I know he is reading this):

>

> Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! "

>

> The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the

> most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being

> promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over

> the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will

> " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals

> and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by

> capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The

> company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is

> a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of

> terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed

> zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and

> no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.

>

> Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,

> has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological

> detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in

> industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally

> insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces

> along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.

>

> The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite

> liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their

> liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as

> something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik

> Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has

> written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my

> warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.

>

> These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in

> solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may

> also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would

> not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned

> above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants

> are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is

> liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble

> aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble

> minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the

human body.

>

> The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their

> mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether

> tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,

> aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting

> zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a

> liquified product.

>

> In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely

> this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions

> about its safety:

>

> *

>

> What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and

> inter-cellular spaces?

> *

>

> What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?

> *

>

> Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?

> *

>

> Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?

> *

>

> How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular

> bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?

> *

>

> How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein

> channel, or through the cell membrane?

> *

>

> What do they do to developing cells or tissue?

> *

>

> If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can

> likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to

> the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?

> *

>

> Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components

> of the human cell), and, if so, how?

> *

>

> Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does

> it affect DNA and RNA)?

> *

>

> Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?

> *

>

> Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do

> they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or

> auto-immune disease?

>

> These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very

> much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should

> heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal

> detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true

> for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.

>

> It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,

> such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and

> efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered

> zeolite.

>

> There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products

> and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have

> been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the

> earth, hundreds of thousands of years.

>

> In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the

> entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no

> known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide

> multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick

people.

>

> Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based

> natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers

> and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These

> have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.

>

> If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a

> powdered product, not a liquid.

>

> If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I

> suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you

> realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting

> it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited

> Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a

> settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual

> practice they are rarely or never actually sued.

>

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No, it is Natural Cellular defense by waioria.

 

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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:49 PM

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What brand of liquid zeolite are you using? I think that the NCD madeby Waiora and the Zeomax are both good. The main concern I have isfor the product made by the Liquid Zeolite Company which has humus init. Great for plants, but perhaps not safe for humans.I am not all-knowing and all-seeing about all issues of naturalhealth. It appears that I made a bad call initially when I posted alink to the LZC site and I apologize. If you have spent severalhundred dollars on zeolite, I doubt that you bought the LZC product -it sells for only $20 a bottle, so you probably are OK.Tonyoleander soup , "Michelle" <Yahsway wrote:>> great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assistASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that removemercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to helpfor my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a womanthat supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warningabout it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking thisproduct, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powderinformation links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I needto remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.> > Sincerely,> > Michelle > - > Tony > oleander soup > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM> A warning about liquid zeolite> > > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her> reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding> the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,> btw, I know he is reading this):> > Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"> > The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", the> most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being> promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over> the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will> "kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals> and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by> capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." The> company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is> a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of> terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed> zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and> no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.> > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,> has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological> detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in> industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally> insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces> along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.> > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite> liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their> liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as> something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik> Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has> written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my> warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.> > These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now in> solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may> also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would> not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned> above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants> are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is> liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble> aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble> minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to thehuman body.> > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their> mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether> tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,> aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting> zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a> liquified product.> > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely> this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions> about its safety:> > *> > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and> inter-cellular spaces?> *> > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?> *> > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?> *> > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?> *> > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular> bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?> *> > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein> channel, or through the cell membrane?> *> > What do they do to developing cells or tissue?> *> > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can> likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to> the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?> *> > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components> of the human cell), and, if so, how?> *> > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does> it affect DNA and RNA)?> *> > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?> *> > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do> they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or> auto-immune disease?> > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very> much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should> heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal> detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true> for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.> > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,> such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and> efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered> zeolite.> > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products> and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have> been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the> earth, hundreds of thousands of years.> > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the> entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no> known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide> multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sickpeople.> > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based> natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers> and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These> have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.> > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a> powdered product, not a liquid.> > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I> suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you> realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting> it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited> Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a> settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual> practice they are rarely or never actually sued.>

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Then I believe you have a good product. The only thing wrong with it

is the high price. A lot of the warnings about liquid zeolite

products come from those connected with powdered zeolite and I would

venture that many of them are quite self serving. Much like all the

bogus claims from some of the so-called colloidal silver companies.

It amazes me how many of those companies claim to have a unique

product that is better than all the rest.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote:

>

> No, it is Natural Cellular defense by waioria.

> -

> > oleander soup

> Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:49 PM

> Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

>

>

> What brand of liquid zeolite are you using? I think that the NCD made

> by Waiora and the Zeomax are both good. The main concern I have is

> for the product made by the Liquid Zeolite Company which has humus in

> it. Great for plants, but perhaps not safe for humans.

>

> I am not all-knowing and all-seeing about all issues of natural

> health. It appears that I made a bad call initially when I posted a

> link to the LZC site and I apologize. If you have spent several

> hundred dollars on zeolite, I doubt that you bought the LZC product -

> it sells for only $20 a bottle, so you probably are OK.

>

> >

> oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway@> wrote:

> >

> > great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist

> ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove

> mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help

> for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman

> that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning

> about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this

> product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder

> information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need

> to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Michelle

> > -

> > > > oleander soup

> > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM

> > A warning about liquid zeolite

> >

> >

> > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her

> > reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding

> > the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the

sender,

> > btw, I know he is reading this):

> >

> > Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! "

> >

> > The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid

Zeolite " , the

> > most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being

> > promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves

all over

> > the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will

> > " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals

> > and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by

> > capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like

structure. " The

> > company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that

there is

> > a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of

> > terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed

> > zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no

documentation, and

> > no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.

> >

> > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are

made,

> > has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for

biological

> > detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also

used in

> > industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally

> > insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in

feces

> > along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.

> >

> > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite

> > liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that

their

> > liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as

> > something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik

> > Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has

> > written much about his product, including a diatribe against me

for my

> > warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.

> >

> > These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in

> > solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may

> > also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This

would

> > not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned

> > above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any

contaminants

> > are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once

zeolite is

> > liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble

> > aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble

> > minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the

> human body.

> >

> > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their

> > mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether

> > tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,

> > aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting

> > zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any

reference to a

> > liquified product.

> >

> > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is

precisely

> > this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions

> > about its safety:

> >

> > *

> >

> > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and

> > inter-cellular spaces?

> > *

> >

> > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?

> > *

> >

> > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?

> > *

> >

> > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?

> > *

> >

> > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular

> > bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty

acids?

> > *

> >

> > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein

> > channel, or through the cell membrane?

> > *

> >

> > What do they do to developing cells or tissue?

> > *

> >

> > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can

> > likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to

> > the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?

> > *

> >

> > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components

> > of the human cell), and, if so, how?

> > *

> >

> > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does

> > it affect DNA and RNA)?

> > *

> >

> > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?

> > *

> >

> > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do

> > they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or

> > auto-immune disease?

> >

> > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very

> > much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should

> > heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal

> > detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is

true

> > for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.

> >

> > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health

activists,

> > such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and

> > efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered

> > zeolite.

> >

> > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products

> > and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans

have

> > been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been

on the

> > earth, hundreds of thousands of years.

> >

> > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the

> > entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that

has no

> > known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide

> > multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick

> people.

> >

> > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based

> > natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers

> > and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These

> > have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.

> >

> > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a

> > powdered product, not a liquid.

> >

> > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I

> > suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you

> > realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting

> > it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC

(Limited

> > Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a

> > settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual

> > practice they are rarely or never actually sued.

> >

>

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David,

 

How did you know when you were "done," when all the mercury was gone? And how did you know that it was actually working during the weeks you were taking it?

 

Angel

 

 

Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

 

 

Posted by: "bbanever" bbanever californiabichonblue

Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:01 am (PDT)

Michelle,Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now.Cheers.Bob

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Angel,

 

I knew I was done when I felt normal again. I felt much better after 5 days although I took the zeolite for three weeks. Some may need to take it longer from what I understand. I took it because I was suffering from mercury poisoning... I felt like I was losing my mind, it was an awful and nightmarish experience. I thank God I found out about the Zeolite. I read an article by Hal Huggins DDS who recommends it for mercury detox. I had tried other things to no avail, but the zeolite did the trick.

 

Bob

 

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Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

 

David,

 

How did you know when you were "done," when all the mercury was gone? And how did you know that it was actually working during the weeks you were taking it?

 

Angel

 

 

Re: A warning about liquid zeolite

 

 

Posted by: "bbanever" bbanever californiabichonblue

Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:01 am (PDT)

Michelle,Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now.Cheers.Bob

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Thanks Bob,

 

I see. How wonderful that you found it to be so helpful for you.

Glad you are feeling better. So it's just to be taken for a short

time? I thought it was something to be taken all the time for cancer

prevention and general health stability.

 

Angel

 

oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote:

>

> Angel,

>

> I knew I was done when I felt normal again. I felt much

better after 5 days although I took the zeolite for three weeks. Some

may need to take it longer from what I understand. I took it because

I was suffering from mercury poisoning... I felt like I was losing my

mind, it was an awful and nightmarish experience. I thank God I found

out about the Zeolite. I read an article by Hal Huggins DDS who

recommends it for mercury detox. I had tried other things to no

avail, but the zeolite did the trick.

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I would suggest you read the safety and criticism articles on

www.liquidzeolite.org. Powder is not going to remove mercury from the

brain or anything else for that matter since its function is limited

to the bowels. Jonathan Campbell has already had to remove some of his

lies. I'm sure eventually that whole page will come down. Don't

panic and don't stop taking it, if it's NCD that is.

 

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

 

oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote:

>

> great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist

ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove

mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help

for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman

that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning

about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this

product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder

information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need

to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Michelle

> -

> > oleander soup

> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM

> A warning about liquid zeolite

>

>

> It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her

> reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding

> the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,

> btw, I know he is reading this):

>

> Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! "

>

> The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the

> most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being

> promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over

> the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will

> " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals

> and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by

> capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The

> company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is

> a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of

> terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed

> zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and

> no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.

>

> Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,

> has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological

> detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in

> industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally

> insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces

> along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.

>

> The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite

> liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their

> liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as

> something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik

> Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has

> written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my

> warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.

>

> These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in

> solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may

> also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would

> not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned

> above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants

> are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is

> liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble

> aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble

> minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the

human body.

>

> The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their

> mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether

> tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,

> aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting

> zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a

> liquified product.

>

> In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely

> this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions

> about its safety:

>

> *

>

> What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and

> inter-cellular spaces?

> *

>

> What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?

> *

>

> Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?

> *

>

> Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?

> *

>

> How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular

> bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?

> *

>

> How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein

> channel, or through the cell membrane?

> *

>

> What do they do to developing cells or tissue?

> *

>

> If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can

> likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to

> the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?

> *

>

> Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components

> of the human cell), and, if so, how?

> *

>

> Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does

> it affect DNA and RNA)?

> *

>

> Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?

> *

>

> Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do

> they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or

> auto-immune disease?

>

> These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very

> much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should

> heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal

> detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true

> for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.

>

> It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,

> such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and

> efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered

> zeolite.

>

> There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products

> and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have

> been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the

> earth, hundreds of thousands of years.

>

> In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the

> entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no

> known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide

> multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick

people.

>

> Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based

> natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers

> and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These

> have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.

>

> If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a

> powdered product, not a liquid.

>

> If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I

> suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you

> realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting

> it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited

> Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a

> settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual

> practice they are rarely or never actually sued.

>

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