Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender, btw, I know he is reading this): Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! " The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere. Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made, has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces along with the toxins that it has adsorbed. The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions. These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body. The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead, aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a liquified product. In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions about its safety: * What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and inter-cellular spaces? * What reactions do they mediate or interfere with? * Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it? * Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted? * How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids? * How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein channel, or through the cell membrane? * What do they do to developing cells or tissue? * If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to the neural membrane or to developing brain cells? * Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components of the human cell), and, if so, how? * Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does it affect DNA and RNA)? * Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem? * Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or auto-immune disease? These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true for NCD and the other zeolite liquids. It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists, such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered zeolite. There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the earth, hundreds of thousands of years. In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people. Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe. If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a powdered product, not a liquid. If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual practice they are rarely or never actually sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 There are many chelators, however to get to the mercury in the brain, I've seen info saying that you need MSM to open the pathways. There is a lot of MSM out there on the market, and it's hard to tell which is best because of so many additives in the manufacturing process. I order mine from Patrick McGean: organicsulfur David In a message dated 6/4/2008 9:12:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Yahsway writes: great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. Sincerely, Michelle Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. Sincerely, Michelle - Tony oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM A warning about liquid zeolite It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in herreservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regardingthe red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,btw, I know he is reading this):Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", themost prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are beingpromoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all overthe world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will"kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metalsand all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication bycapturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." Thecompany that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there isa study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers ofterminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumedzeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, andno peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biologicaldetoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used inindustrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normallyinsoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in fecesalong with the toxins that it has adsorbed.The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeoliteliquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that theirliquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them assomething that people should take to prevent and treat disease. RikDeitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, haswritten much about his product, including a diatribe against me for mywarnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now insolution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that mayalso contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This wouldnot be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentionedabove, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminantsare kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite isliquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain solublealuminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These solubleminerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body.The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where theirmineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whethertests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supportingzeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to aliquified product.In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is preciselythis crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questionsabout its safety:*What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell andinter-cellular spaces?*What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?*Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?*Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?*How do they react with each of the thousands of cellularbio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?*How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a proteinchannel, or through the cell membrane?*What do they do to developing cells or tissue?*If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they canlikely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do tothe neural membrane or to developing brain cells?*Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (componentsof the human cell), and, if so, how?*Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, doesit affect DNA and RNA)?*Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?*Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Dothey go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, orauto-immune disease?These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know verymuch about this material, and there are warning signs that we shouldheed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinaldetoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is truefor NCD and the other zeolite liquids.It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety andefficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powderedzeolite.There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral productsand food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans havebeen eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on theearth, hundreds of thousands of years.In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting theentire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has noknown therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwidemulti-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people.Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-basednatural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchersand physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. Thesehave been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get apowdered product, not a liquid.If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, Isuggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if yourealize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingestingit, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (LimitedLiability Corporation), which means that you can never collect asettlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actualpractice they are rarely or never actually sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Michelle, I have left a message for Tony, so that he is aware of this post and your concerns as soon as he gets in. I understand your concern and frustration. However, Tony was not aware of these warnings until he received an email stating them very recently. As soon as he became aware of them he made a post. Dr. Lanphier made a post in this regard after Tony's post. You may want to read that one in the interim. Hugs, oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote: > > great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. > > Sincerely, > > Michelle > - > > oleander soup > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM > A warning about liquid zeolite > > > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her > reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding > the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender, > btw, I know he is reading this): > > Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! " > > The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the > most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being > promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over > the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will > " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals > and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by > capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The > company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is > a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of > terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed > zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and > no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere. > > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made, > has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological > detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in > industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally > insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces > along with the toxins that it has adsorbed. > > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite > liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their > liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as > something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik > Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has > written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my > warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions. > > These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in > solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may > also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would > not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned > above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants > are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is > liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble > aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble > minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body. > > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their > mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether > tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead, > aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting > zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a > liquified product. > > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely > this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions > about its safety: > > * > > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and > inter-cellular spaces? > * > > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with? > * > > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it? > * > > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted? > * > > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular > bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids? > * > > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein > channel, or through the cell membrane? > * > > What do they do to developing cells or tissue? > * > > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can > likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to > the neural membrane or to developing brain cells? > * > > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components > of the human cell), and, if so, how? > * > > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does > it affect DNA and RNA)? > * > > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem? > * > > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do > they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or > auto-immune disease? > > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very > much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should > heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal > detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true > for NCD and the other zeolite liquids. > > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists, > such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and > efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered > zeolite. > > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products > and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have > been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the > earth, hundreds of thousands of years. > > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the > entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no > known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide > multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people. > > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based > natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers > and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These > have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe. > > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a > powdered product, not a liquid. > > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I > suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you > realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting > it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited > Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a > settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual > practice they are rarely or never actually sued. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Michelle, Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now. Cheers. Bob - ahzoov oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:41 AM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite There are many chelators, however to get to the mercury in the brain, I've seen info saying that you need MSM to open the pathways. There is a lot of MSM out there on the market, and it's hard to tell which is best because of so many additives in the manufacturing process. I order mine from Patrick McGean: organicsulfur David In a message dated 6/4/2008 9:12:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Yahsway writes: great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. Sincerely, Michelle Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Michelle, I am enclosing two links to both liquid zeolite products. Please review all literature on them... I think this will ease your fears. http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/products/zeomax.html http://www.cellularzeolitecenter.com/ZeoliteAutism.php Good luck. Bob - Michelle oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:05 AM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. Sincerely, Michelle - Tony oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM A warning about liquid zeolite It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in herreservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regardingthe red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,btw, I know he is reading this):Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", themost prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are beingpromoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all overthe world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will"kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metalsand all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication bycapturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." Thecompany that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there isa study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers ofterminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumedzeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, andno peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biologicaldetoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used inindustrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normallyinsoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in fecesalong with the toxins that it has adsorbed.The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeoliteliquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that theirliquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them assomething that people should take to prevent and treat disease. RikDeitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, haswritten much about his product, including a diatribe against me for mywarnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now insolution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that mayalso contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This wouldnot be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentionedabove, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminantsare kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite isliquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain solublealuminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These solubleminerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body.The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where theirmineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whethertests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supportingzeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to aliquified product.In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is preciselythis crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questionsabout its safety:*What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell andinter-cellular spaces?*What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?*Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?*Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?*How do they react with each of the thousands of cellularbio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?*How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a proteinchannel, or through the cell membrane?*What do they do to developing cells or tissue?*If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they canlikely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do tothe neural membrane or to developing brain cells?*Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (componentsof the human cell), and, if so, how?*Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, doesit affect DNA and RNA)?*Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?*Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Dothey go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, orauto-immune disease?These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know verymuch about this material, and there are warning signs that we shouldheed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinaldetoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is truefor NCD and the other zeolite liquids.It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety andefficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powderedzeolite.There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral productsand food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans havebeen eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on theearth, hundreds of thousands of years.In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting theentire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has noknown therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwidemulti-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people.Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-basednatural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchersand physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. Thesehave been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get apowdered product, not a liquid.If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, Isuggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if yourealize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingestingit, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (LimitedLiability Corporation), which means that you can never collect asettlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actualpractice they are rarely or never actually sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Bob, Thank you but I already purchased the natural cellular defense version. Does anyone have any data saying this one is safe? This is the one that is said in the past e-mails not safe. I am very worried because this is what I put my husband. I alps purchased metal magic any comments on this??? - bbanever oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:04 AM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite Michelle, I am enclosing two links to both liquid zeolite products. Please review all literature on them... I think this will ease your fears. http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/products/zeomax.html http://www.cellularzeolitecenter.com/ZeoliteAutism.php Good luck. Bob - Michelle oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:05 AM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. Sincerely, Michelle - Tony oleander soup Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM A warning about liquid zeolite It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in herreservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regardingthe red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,btw, I know he is reading this):Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", themost prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are beingpromoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all overthe world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will"kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metalsand all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication bycapturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." Thecompany that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there isa study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers ofterminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumedzeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, andno peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biologicaldetoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used inindustrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normallyinsoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in fecesalong with the toxins that it has adsorbed.The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeoliteliquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that theirliquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them assomething that people should take to prevent and treat disease. RikDeitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, haswritten much about his product, including a diatribe against me for mywarnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now insolution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that mayalso contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This wouldnot be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentionedabove, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminantsare kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite isliquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain solublealuminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These solubleminerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body.The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where theirmineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whethertests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supportingzeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to aliquified product.In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is preciselythis crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questionsabout its safety:*What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell andinter-cellular spaces?*What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?*Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?*Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?*How do they react with each of the thousands of cellularbio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?*How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a proteinchannel, or through the cell membrane?*What do they do to developing cells or tissue?*If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they canlikely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do tothe neural membrane or to developing brain cells?*Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (componentsof the human cell), and, if so, how?*Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, doesit affect DNA and RNA)?*Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?*Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Dothey go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, orauto-immune disease?These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know verymuch about this material, and there are warning signs that we shouldheed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinaldetoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is truefor NCD and the other zeolite liquids.It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety andefficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powderedzeolite.There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral productsand food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans havebeen eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on theearth, hundreds of thousands of years.In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting theentire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has noknown therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwidemulti-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people.Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-basednatural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchersand physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. Thesehave been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get apowdered product, not a liquid.If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, Isuggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if yourealize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingestingit, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (LimitedLiability Corporation), which means that you can never collect asettlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actualpractice they are rarely or never actually sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Was it waiora's brand??? - bbanever oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:59 AM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite Michelle, Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now. Cheers. Bob - ahzoov oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:41 AM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite There are many chelators, however to get to the mercury in the brain, I've seen info saying that you need MSM to open the pathways. There is a lot of MSM out there on the market, and it's hard to tell which is best because of so many additives in the manufacturing process. I order mine from Patrick McGean: organicsulfur (AT) sisna (DOT) com David In a message dated 6/4/2008 9:12:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Yahsway (AT) comcast (DOT) net writes: great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. Sincerely, Michelle Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Thank you so much for the warning. There are so many substances that " sound good in theory " but all the dots haven't been connected to assess the implications. Also thinking about the LLC (Limited Liability Company) and the 'untouchable' status. Maybe it would be wise NOT to purchase from companies who have found it advisable to make themselves " judgement proof " . They must have some degree of paranoia about the product. NEV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 What brand of liquid zeolite are you using? I think that the NCD made by Waiora and the Zeomax are both good. The main concern I have is for the product made by the Liquid Zeolite Company which has humus in it. Great for plants, but perhaps not safe for humans. I am not all-knowing and all-seeing about all issues of natural health. It appears that I made a bad call initially when I posted a link to the LZC site and I apologize. If you have spent several hundred dollars on zeolite, I doubt that you bought the LZC product - it sells for only $20 a bottle, so you probably are OK. oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote: > > great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. > > Sincerely, > > Michelle > - > > oleander soup > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM > A warning about liquid zeolite > > > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her > reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding > the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender, > btw, I know he is reading this): > > Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! " > > The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the > most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being > promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over > the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will > " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals > and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by > capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The > company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is > a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of > terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed > zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and > no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere. > > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made, > has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological > detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in > industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally > insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces > along with the toxins that it has adsorbed. > > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite > liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their > liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as > something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik > Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has > written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my > warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions. > > These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in > solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may > also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would > not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned > above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants > are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is > liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble > aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble > minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body. > > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their > mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether > tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead, > aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting > zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a > liquified product. > > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely > this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions > about its safety: > > * > > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and > inter-cellular spaces? > * > > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with? > * > > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it? > * > > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted? > * > > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular > bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids? > * > > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein > channel, or through the cell membrane? > * > > What do they do to developing cells or tissue? > * > > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can > likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to > the neural membrane or to developing brain cells? > * > > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components > of the human cell), and, if so, how? > * > > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does > it affect DNA and RNA)? > * > > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem? > * > > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do > they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or > auto-immune disease? > > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very > much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should > heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal > detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true > for NCD and the other zeolite liquids. > > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists, > such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and > efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered > zeolite. > > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products > and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have > been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the > earth, hundreds of thousands of years. > > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the > entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no > known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide > multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people. > > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based > natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers > and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These > have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe. > > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a > powdered product, not a liquid. > > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I > suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you > realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting > it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited > Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a > settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual > practice they are rarely or never actually sued. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 No, it is Natural Cellular defense by waioria. - Tony oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:49 PM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite What brand of liquid zeolite are you using? I think that the NCD madeby Waiora and the Zeomax are both good. The main concern I have isfor the product made by the Liquid Zeolite Company which has humus init. Great for plants, but perhaps not safe for humans.I am not all-knowing and all-seeing about all issues of naturalhealth. It appears that I made a bad call initially when I posted alink to the LZC site and I apologize. If you have spent severalhundred dollars on zeolite, I doubt that you bought the LZC product -it sells for only $20 a bottle, so you probably are OK.Tonyoleander soup , "Michelle" <Yahsway wrote:>> great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assistASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that removemercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to helpfor my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a womanthat supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warningabout it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking thisproduct, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powderinformation links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I needto remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist.> > Sincerely,> > Michelle > - > Tony > oleander soup > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM> A warning about liquid zeolite> > > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her> reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding> the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender,> btw, I know he is reading this):> > Potential Danger - Don't Eat "Liquid Zeolite!"> > The newest multi-level-marketing products called "Liquid Zeolite", the> most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being> promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over> the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will> "kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals> and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by> capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure." The> company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is> a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of> terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed> zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and> no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere.> > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made,> has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological> detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in> industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally> insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces> along with the toxins that it has adsorbed.> > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite> liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their> liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as> something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik> Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has> written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my> warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions.> > These "Liquid Zeolite" products contain zeolite that is now in> solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may> also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would> not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned> above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants> are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is> liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble> aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble> minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to thehuman body.> > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their> mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether> tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead,> aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting> zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a> liquified product.> > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely> this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions> about its safety:> > *> > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and> inter-cellular spaces?> *> > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with?> *> > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it?> *> > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted?> *> > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular> bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids?> *> > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein> channel, or through the cell membrane?> *> > What do they do to developing cells or tissue?> *> > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can> likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to> the neural membrane or to developing brain cells?> *> > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components> of the human cell), and, if so, how?> *> > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does> it affect DNA and RNA)?> *> > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem?> *> > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do> they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or> auto-immune disease?> > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very> much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should> heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal> detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true> for NCD and the other zeolite liquids.> > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists,> such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and> efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered> zeolite.> > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products> and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have> been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the> earth, hundreds of thousands of years.> > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the> entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no> known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide> multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sickpeople.> > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based> natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers> and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These> have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe.> > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a> powdered product, not a liquid.> > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I> suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you> realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting> it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited> Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a> settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual> practice they are rarely or never actually sued.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Then I believe you have a good product. The only thing wrong with it is the high price. A lot of the warnings about liquid zeolite products come from those connected with powdered zeolite and I would venture that many of them are quite self serving. Much like all the bogus claims from some of the so-called colloidal silver companies. It amazes me how many of those companies claim to have a unique product that is better than all the rest. oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote: > > No, it is Natural Cellular defense by waioria. > - > > oleander soup > Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:49 PM > Re: A warning about liquid zeolite > > > What brand of liquid zeolite are you using? I think that the NCD made > by Waiora and the Zeomax are both good. The main concern I have is > for the product made by the Liquid Zeolite Company which has humus in > it. Great for plants, but perhaps not safe for humans. > > I am not all-knowing and all-seeing about all issues of natural > health. It appears that I made a bad call initially when I posted a > link to the LZC site and I apologize. If you have spent several > hundred dollars on zeolite, I doubt that you bought the LZC product - > it sells for only $20 a bottle, so you probably are OK. > > > > oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway@> wrote: > > > > great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist > ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove > mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help > for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman > that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning > about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this > product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder > information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need > to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Michelle > > - > > > > oleander soup > > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM > > A warning about liquid zeolite > > > > > > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her > > reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding > > the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender, > > btw, I know he is reading this): > > > > Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! " > > > > The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the > > most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being > > promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over > > the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will > > " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals > > and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by > > capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The > > company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is > > a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of > > terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed > > zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and > > no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere. > > > > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made, > > has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological > > detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in > > industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally > > insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces > > along with the toxins that it has adsorbed. > > > > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite > > liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their > > liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as > > something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik > > Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has > > written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my > > warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions. > > > > These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in > > solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may > > also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would > > not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned > > above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants > > are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is > > liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble > > aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble > > minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the > human body. > > > > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their > > mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether > > tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead, > > aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting > > zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a > > liquified product. > > > > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely > > this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions > > about its safety: > > > > * > > > > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and > > inter-cellular spaces? > > * > > > > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with? > > * > > > > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it? > > * > > > > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted? > > * > > > > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular > > bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids? > > * > > > > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein > > channel, or through the cell membrane? > > * > > > > What do they do to developing cells or tissue? > > * > > > > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can > > likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to > > the neural membrane or to developing brain cells? > > * > > > > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components > > of the human cell), and, if so, how? > > * > > > > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does > > it affect DNA and RNA)? > > * > > > > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem? > > * > > > > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do > > they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or > > auto-immune disease? > > > > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very > > much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should > > heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal > > detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true > > for NCD and the other zeolite liquids. > > > > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists, > > such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and > > efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered > > zeolite. > > > > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products > > and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have > > been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the > > earth, hundreds of thousands of years. > > > > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the > > entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no > > known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide > > multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick > people. > > > > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based > > natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers > > and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These > > have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe. > > > > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a > > powdered product, not a liquid. > > > > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I > > suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you > > realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting > > it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited > > Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a > > settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual > > practice they are rarely or never actually sued. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 David, How did you know when you were "done," when all the mercury was gone? And how did you know that it was actually working during the weeks you were taking it? Angel Re: A warning about liquid zeolite Posted by: "bbanever" bbanever californiabichonblue Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:01 am (PDT) Michelle,Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now.Cheers.Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Angel, I knew I was done when I felt normal again. I felt much better after 5 days although I took the zeolite for three weeks. Some may need to take it longer from what I understand. I took it because I was suffering from mercury poisoning... I felt like I was losing my mind, it was an awful and nightmarish experience. I thank God I found out about the Zeolite. I read an article by Hal Huggins DDS who recommends it for mercury detox. I had tried other things to no avail, but the zeolite did the trick. Bob - toreadpeoplehealthinfo oleander soup Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:44 PM Re: A warning about liquid zeolite David, How did you know when you were "done," when all the mercury was gone? And how did you know that it was actually working during the weeks you were taking it? Angel Re: A warning about liquid zeolite Posted by: "bbanever" bbanever californiabichonblue Wed Jun 4, 2008 8:01 am (PDT) Michelle,Liquid zeolite as manufactured by NCD or other such as Dr. Lanphiers ZeoMAX, are perfectly safe to take. I took NCD to successfully detox from mercury, 10 drops three times daily, for a few weeks. Some need to take it for twice as long, but I did not and had no side effects whatsoever. I feel great now.Cheers.Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Thanks Bob, I see. How wonderful that you found it to be so helpful for you. Glad you are feeling better. So it's just to be taken for a short time? I thought it was something to be taken all the time for cancer prevention and general health stability. Angel oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote: > > Angel, > > I knew I was done when I felt normal again. I felt much better after 5 days although I took the zeolite for three weeks. Some may need to take it longer from what I understand. I took it because I was suffering from mercury poisoning... I felt like I was losing my mind, it was an awful and nightmarish experience. I thank God I found out about the Zeolite. I read an article by Hal Huggins DDS who recommends it for mercury detox. I had tried other things to no avail, but the zeolite did the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 I would suggest you read the safety and criticism articles on www.liquidzeolite.org. Powder is not going to remove mercury from the brain or anything else for that matter since its function is limited to the bowels. Jonathan Campbell has already had to remove some of his lies. I'm sure eventually that whole page will come down. Don't panic and don't stop taking it, if it's NCD that is. Sharon Hoehner www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote: > > great Tony, I have already begun the liquid version. Please assist ASAP on how to switch to the powder or other theories that remove mercury and aluminum. Please when I posted a request on how to help for my husband's left hand shaking you allowed a post from a woman that supported the liquid cellular defense and never posted a warning about it. Now, several hundred dollars and weeks after taking this product, you mention these dire warnings? Please send powder information links as well as the drs. links to their protocols. I need to remove mercury from my husband's brain, please assist. > > Sincerely, > > Michelle > - > > oleander soup > Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:17 PM > A warning about liquid zeolite > > > It seems that our good Dr Laphier was quite correct in her > reservations about liquid zeolite, or certainly not alone regarding > the red flags. I received this via email today (thanks to the sender, > btw, I know he is reading this): > > Potential Danger - Don't Eat " Liquid Zeolite! " > > The newest multi-level-marketing products called " Liquid Zeolite " , the > most prominent of which is Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), are being > promoted on the Internet, and people are signing up in droves all over > the world to sell them. It is claimed that NCD, for instance, will > " kill epithelial cancer cells, 100% kill rate, detoxify heavy metals > and all toxins easily, and [it] disables viral replication by > capturing viral components within it's [sic] cage like structure. " The > company that sells NCD, Waiora, says in its publications that there is > a study that supposedly demonstrates that the cancers of > terminally-ill patients went into remission when they consumed > zeolites. No such study ever happened. There is no documentation, and > no peer reviewed articles were ever published anywhere. > > Clinoptilite, the zeolite crystal from which these products are made, > has a long history of use as a powder, similar to clay, for biological > detoxification and as an additive to animal feed. (It is also used in > industrial detoxification and filtering systems). It is normally > insoluble in stomach and bile acids, so that it is eliminated in feces > along with the toxins that it has adsorbed. > > The manufacturers of Natural Cellular Defense and other zeolite > liquids refer to this research on zeolite powder, claiming that their > liquefied products are completely safe and are promoting them as > something that people should take to prevent and treat disease. Rik > Deitsch, one of the principals of the company that promotes NCD, has > written much about his product, including a diatribe against me for my > warnings about the product. But there are many unanswered questions. > > These " Liquid Zeolite " products contain zeolite that is now in > solution. Clinoptilite zeolite is an aluminum-based mineral that may > also contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, and/or cadmium). This would > not be a problem if the products were powdered zeolite, as mentioned > above, because the zeolite is normally insoluble and any contaminants > are kept trapped in the zeolite mineral structure. But once zeolite is > liquefied, it means that these liquid products must contain soluble > aluminum and possibly soluble heavy metals as well. These soluble > minerals can enter the bloodstream, and they are toxic to the human body. > > The manufacturers of NCD, for instance, do not specify where their > mineral crystals come from or how they are processed, nor whether > tests have been done to determine whether their product is lead, > aluminum, and mercury free. The large body of research supporting > zeolite's use as a detoxification agent do not make any reference to a > liquified product. > > In relation to any health product this is a red flag. It is precisely > this crucial piece of information that raises unanswered questions > about its safety: > > * > > What do the soluble minerals in NCD do inside the cell and > inter-cellular spaces? > * > > What reactions do they mediate or interfere with? > * > > Do they stay inside the cell and become part of it? > * > > Do they leave the cell and intercellular spaces? Are they excreted? > * > > How do they react with each of the thousands of cellular > bio-chemicals, hormones, neurotransmitters, and essential fatty acids? > * > > How do they get into the cell? Do they enter through a protein > channel, or through the cell membrane? > * > > What do they do to developing cells or tissue? > * > > If they can enter cells from the bloodstream, then they can > likely enter into the cerebrospinal fluid. If so, what do they do to > the neural membrane or to developing brain cells? > * > > Do they affect the operation of the cell organelles (components > of the human cell), and, if so, how? > * > > Do they enter into or affect the nuclear envelope (that is, does > it affect DNA and RNA)? > * > > Do they enter or affect the mitochondria, our energy subsystem? > * > > Is the immune system aware of the presence of the minerals? Do > they go into overdrive, eventually leading to allergy, MCS, or > auto-immune disease? > > These unanswered questions suggest that we simply do not know very > much about this material, and there are warning signs that we should > heed. Powdered zeolite products appear to be safe as intestinal > detoxification agents, but there is no reason to believe this is true > for NCD and the other zeolite liquids. > > It is unfortunate that some of the foremost natural health activists, > such as Mike Adams, have been apparently convinced of the safety and > efficacy of liquified zeolite based on research papers on powdered > zeolite. > > There is a critical difference between these liquid mineral products > and food-derived substances, such as dietary supplements. Humans have > been eating food and food extracts for as long as we have been on the > earth, hundreds of thousands of years. > > In contrast, the people promoting Liquid Zeolites are subjecting the > entire world's population to a potentially toxic substance that has no > known therapeutic value, selling their products via a worldwide > multi-level marketing organization, preying upon desperate, sick people. > > Please take my advice: For chronic disease, stay with food-based > natural therapies, such as those developed by well-known researchers > and physicians such as Dr. Matthias Rath and Dr. Hugh Riordan. These > have been used successfully by thousands of people and proven safe. > > If you do decide to use a zeolite product for detoxification, get a > powdered product, not a liquid. > > If you have been taking a liquid zeolite product such as NCD, I > suggest you stop immediately, but save the leftover product: if you > realize that you have suffered toxic trauma as a result of ingesting > it, sue your distributor for bodily injury. Waiora is an LLC (Limited > Liability Corporation), which means that you can never collect a > settlement of a lawsuit, but must pay taxes on it, so that in actual > practice they are rarely or never actually sued. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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