Fw: Concentrated Flax Hull lignans ARAI Added Info - correction

May 29, 2008

My apologies - I was composing answers to questions on two different

forums on the same notepad, and computer gremlins or my addled mind

combined a couple of paragraphs on the end of my first answer that did

not belong.

Here is the answer I should have sent:

As I said Bill, I like HSI quite a bit. I get constant emails from

Jenny Thompson and other HSI members, and I am impressed with a number

of people on their board, most notably Jon Barron.

However, the send out lots of messages that can only be described as

sensationalized on a wide variety of illnesses - and they market books

that fit the same description. I have purchased four of the books.

One I liked a lot, another one I thought was pretty good and two of

them were over-hyped junk.

I am making no premature judgement on the lignans - just saying that

oleander has a track record of doing as well or better in many areas -

and when it comes to HIV/AIDS I don't see how anything else can

compare to absolute 100% success - and that is exactly what the

Sutherlandia OPC oleander based supplement has achieved.

That is not SOME people recovering, not even MOST people recovering -

it is EVERY SINGLE PERSON recovering without exception.

oleander soup , " Bill " <w.wilkins wrote:

>

> Tony,

> I haven't posted anything prior to this from HSI. But after reading

the 5 pages and all the things it has results on ,Including aids is

listed in the article. The aids website gives some of the experiences

on aids recovery. I am most interested in the section that says aand

gives experiences on enlarged prostates as I'm tired of trying many

different things that didn't work.

> I respect you and the forum. I will give you my experience if it

works on the prostate as fast as they say it does. I am extremely

careful before posting messages of this magnitude.Please read the

entire article and the 5 five pages before knocking it down. It was on

the HIV site and I called the 800 number for A.R.A.I. the other source

and the message I got at was they were overloaded with CFHL requests

and gave me a fax number (I have no Fax ) and an email, but as I have

questions on what form and suggested daily tea/teaspoon/etc??? to take

once I get it. I trust the aids information site as that is the

hardest to cure!!

> Thanks for your concern. I'll send you more info as I get it . I'm

getting my order in tomorrow no matter what form it comes in.

> Thanks

> Bill

> -

> > oleander soup

> 2008-05-28 19:48

> Re: Fw: Concentrated Flax Hull lignans

ARAI Added Info

>

> Isn't it a bit early for a June 2008 issue?

>

> I get weekly emails from HSI and they have a lot of good information.

> If I have a complaint it would be that they have far too many

> " breakthroughs " that turn out to be less than as spectacular as

> advertised and a bit too much marketing of products and books.

>

> It surely sounds like information that should be followed up on - but

> at first glance the quoted statistics are not as impressive to me as

> either oleander or inositol/IP6. Now, the stage 4 cancer patients

> being cancer free within two months does sound impressive - but one

> wonders what percentage they are talking about. The other statistics

> are merely numbers made to look impressive, imho.

>

> Tumors spreading to other parts of the body decreased by 82% - I would

> surely hope so!

>

> 31% of cancer cells killed within 30 days? Again, I would hope so.

> Chemo often does better than that in 30 days.

>

> Diabetes and prostate reports essentially the same as oleander.

>

> Given the success of Budwig with flax seeds and flax seed oil, I would

> not discount the benefits. Given HSI's tendency to sensationalize I

> would also urge caution.

>

> I guess my thinking and concern here is that seldom a week goes by

> without another " breakthrough " or miracle treatment being announced

> and I fear there are too many cancer sufferers who run from one new

> breakthrough to the other instead of staying the course with something

> like oleander and the oleander protocol that works almost every time.

>

> >

> oleander soup , " Bill " <w.wilkins@> wrote:

> >

> > The Website as listed cannot be accessed

> >

> > The way to the info is

> >

> > www.aidshivawareness.org

> >

> > then afterc accessing the website

> > click on lignans

> >

> > Also because this is a natural product it carries the required FDA

> disclaimer.

> >

> > I am going to call HSI and see if they will give me an email copy of

> the June 2008 Vol12 12

> > Bill

> > -

> > Bill

> > oleander soup

> > 2008-05-28 11:25

> > Concentrated Flax Hull lignans ARAI

> >

> > To rhoda and all of the Cancer cure group,

> > I recieved something in the mail from Health Sciences Institute.

> They claim an astrinomical breakthrough as flax seed is just the tip

> of the iceberg.

> > Concentrated Flax Hull Lignans that was normally thrown away(Not

> Seeds) , stage 4 cancer patients cancer free within 2 months

> > Tumor mestastasis reduced by 82%

> > A human study in which 31% of cancer cells were flat out killed. In

> 30 days

> > Also it says the incredible resultsweren't limited to Cancer. People

> with type 2 diabetes have stopped needing shots of insulin.

> > Men with enlarged prostates have started sleeping thru the night.

> > HSI said this information was recieved from Wendy Selvig of the Aids

> Research

> > This article covers 5 pages in the HSI members Alert for June Vol 12

> No 12.

> > The order info listed as

> > www.aidshivawareness.org/flaxhullhtm

> > 1 5.3 Oz Cannister,containing 32 servings, costs US$36.00, buy 2

> cannisters and get 1 free .

> > (817) 320-8172

> >

> > lastly it says you can log on

> > for a free HSI e-alert update

> > www.HSIBaltimore.com

> > For The month of june:

> > User Name: june

> > Password: expert

> >

> > INFO

> > Bill Wilkins

> >

> > -

> > Rhoda Mead

> > oleander

> > 2008-05-28 10:07

> > phoenixtearsmovie

> >

> > I'm extremely interested in learning more. However, I'm almost

> deaf from platinum chemo years ago. YouTube or Rick's movie is useless

> to me. I have a Samson Juicer; the USA distributor said that he's

> working on a way to make oils from seeds. (flax seed)

> > If anyone finds out more about hemp oil, and possibly a source

> of seeds, I'd like to know. If so, I'll find out if the oil attachment

> is for sale. It sure would complement oleander, diet and detox, etc.

> Thanks, Rhoda

> >

>

May 29, 2008

Hi Tony and everyone,This is my first post here, and my main interest is in HIV/AIDS, having been diagnosed with AIDS in 2001. I am very curious to know in just what way oleander and other products are supposed to cure it. What are the parameters--actual health of the subjects or improvements in CD4 count and viral load? There is a reason these are called "surrogate" markers. They often have no correlation with actual health, although I'll admit that they seemed to in my case.I am also surprised that no one in such a forward-thinking group has suggested that there is very possibly no relationship between the so-called virus and AIDS. About three years ago, I found out about the "dissidents", many

of whom are extremely accomplished scientists who recognize that the whole HIV=AIDS paradigm actually raises more questions than it answers. I have done a great amount of research on the subject, and I believe that they are on to something. There is way more involved here than I can delve into now, but I invite everyone whose curiosity is piqued to visit virusmyth.net or the websites of Dr. Peter Duesberg, the Perth Group and Roberto Giraldo, whose web addresses I believe can be found at virusmyth. There's some fascinating stuff out there for those with open minds. Gary Null has even written a large book called "AIDS: A Second Opinion", and I believe his new DVD can be seen at his website. It's called AIDS Inc. Also aliveandwell.org is a great source where the different issues are compartmentalized and can be read in any order desired.I'm not disputing that people get very ill and even die, but I

think the actual immune system problems come from other causes and then the opportunistic infections occur. I believe stress was the main factor in my problems, since I am a middle-aged woman with no risk factors.There is so much more to this, but I can't say too much more since I am going away for a week in a few days and probably won't have internet access. Besides, doing one's own research is far more convincing. I have to admit that I've had little success with natural remedies thus far and have had to go back on the evil ARVs, which have helped quite a lot, though I refuse to stay on them very long. I am looking for something to address what I believe is actually an autoimmune problem, and when I find it I will feel justified in going natural again--if I can afford the supplements! I believe the ARVs help because they are actually suppressing my immune system.A lot to digest, I know, but I thought I'd

throw it out there and see if I could get anyone thinking outside the box.It's nice to be here. I'm glad I found you through Mike Adams.Linda(Sorry, I didn't mean to delete Tony's whole message--just to cut it down.)--- On Thu, 5/29/08, Tony wrote:Tony Re: Fw: Concentrated Flax Hull lignans ARAI Added Info - correctionoleander soup Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 2:23 PM