I need to read it myself, where is all the supporting information?

[Guest guest]

Me again -

 

Exploring this Oleander thing - again...

 

I've read about it innumerable times since my diagnosis but always put it aside because the information I gathered about it had so many holes it seemed too much to tackle at the time.

 

Now, it's time and I hope you can share what you know so I don't have to re-invent the wheel all by myself again...

 

The post below reminded me of some of the missing facts that has prevented me from including this remedy in my arsenal for myself and all my friends in my local support groups...

 

1) Who is this Phoenix spin-off company - Nerium Biotechnology located in Canada ? Are they they manufacturer? What else do they manufacture? What is the process they use? Is this a big operation or is this some guy working from his shed in the back yard? What is their address and contact info?

 

2) What is the toxicity level of homemade oleander soup? In other words, at what point can it be deadly or cause permanent damage? Amount ingested or concentration maximum exceeded, or type of oleander used, or what? And by what mechanism is it deadly? Does it just shut the liver down or what?

 

3) I don't understand this sentence "...it does cross assay with digitalis/digoxin, and lip numbness is a sign of contamination - likely by pesticides such as Malathion."

what does that mean? when it is mixed with digitalis it's deadlier? does Malathion contain digitalis? why would you use oleander that has been sprayed with Malathion or anything else for that matter? does this mean that if I'm taking digitalis pills, I under no circumstance should use the oleander in any form, for cancer?

 

4) Where are all these reports and studies and research that's constantly used as a factual basis for the conclusive oleander benefits? Not asking for anything done by "pharma" but just the ACTUAL sources of all these stories, benefits, assumptions? I want to read these myself and make my own judgments about the FACTS or fictions involved. So, where are all these documents, stories, sources that Tony is basing his conviction and promotion on? I want to discuss this with my naturopath also who is working with me on my cancer treatment protocol - but I need to talk to him intelligently, not just parrot some anecdotal hand-me-down stories about who knows who having been cured who knows where and when.

 

5) Do any of these people who say they've been cured and having surprised their doctors - do these people offer themselves as references? Do they offer their medical records for review to us to help us believe it in an intelligent way? Do their doctors offer any kind of statements or anything anywhere?

 

6) Is there a list anywhere of all these "places" or labs or doctors or researchers involved with the oleander for cancer topic, worldwide or at least domestically? Like this Nerium Biotech and MD Anderson and Tony of course and who's continuing the work in Turkey or Israel or where ever this originated back in the 30ies or 40ies?

 

7) And last question I can think of right now - Is there a more definitive group, list, source for the oleander - cancer relationship, than this list by Tony?

 

I hope I haven't offended anyone on this list with my questioning that, in which you all most likely are already believers. I WANT to find out that this thing has some substantive data to support it's promoted benefits. I really do. That's what I'm trying to do by trying to get some of these obvious holes plugged in with the missing information.

 

I appreciate any feedback you can offer.

 

Thank you,

Angel

 

..

 

 

Re: The latest news about oleander

> oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> >> > Hi folks!> > > > I thought maybe it would be a good time for an update on oleander. > > The news on the patented medicine Anvirzel is that it continues to> > enjoy great success against virtually all kinds of cancers, as does> > the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement and the home made Oleander> > Soup Remedy. The big news about Anvirzle is that it is no longer made> > by Phoenix Bitoech, but instead by the newly formed Phoenix spin-off> > Nerium Biotechnology located in Canada and operated by former Phoenix> > employee Dennis Knocke.> > > > Earlier today I spoke with Dennis and he assured me that they remain> > supportive of our group, as has been Phoenix, and of my efforts to> > help more people discover oleander in ANY form, including the home> > remedy. He also agrees that oleander should be quite safe so long as> > the directions for making it are followed.> > > > Which reminds me - if you are not going to follow instructions EXACTLY> > in both making and taking it, then don't attempt it. After recently> > hearing from a woman who decided to skip the straining (other than a> > metal juice type strainer), slug it down unmeasured out of the bottle> > and keep doing so after noticing numbness on her lips, I will have> > more to say on that subject in another message. In the interim, let's> > just remind one and all that oleander IS a highly toxic plant that can> > kill you in raw form, it does cross assay with digitalis/digoxin, and> > lip numbness is a sign of contamination - likely by pesticides such as> > malathion. So, either follow directions or forget it. With the> > Sutherlandia OPC (http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com) available for only> > $60 for a one month supply, it makes little sense to me to make your> > own anyway, and you also have the benefit of not having to worry about> > the varying batch strengths which tend to be consistent with the> > patented medicine and supplement and cac vary widely in the home made> > version.> > > > Back to my discussion with Dennis. While we talked about the success> > of oleander against virtually all cancers and a few cases in> > particular, he reminded me that oleander was without doubt the best> > option for pancreatic cancer and melanoma. He was talking with two> > pancreatic cancer patients this past week who are five months out from> > diagnosis. One uses only oleander and the cancer has stopped growing> > and the other uses chemo and oleander and the cancer is GONE! They> > have other patients who are alive years after being diagnosed with> > pancreatic cancer.> > > > Dennis also mentioned that two other papers were due to be published> > soon and he will forward them to me to share with you guys and gals> > (and the world at large) as soon as they are available.> > > > Meanwhile, in Houston, trials continue at MD Anderson on a new pill> > form of oleander developed by Phoenix Biotech whereby, according to> > Phoenix, they use a process with liquid carbon dioxide and micro-fine> > particles of oleander to extract a much greater amount of oleandrin> > and the other cardiac glycosides without losing any of the other> > supportive compounds.> > > > And last but not least, the news out of South Africa is that a major> > press conference will be held soon detailing the tremendous successes> > of the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement against HIV/AIDS and cancer> > and the new manufacturing facility that has taken over production. I> > have a series of articles of my own that are being published by Mike> > Adams Natural News website and I am patiently waiting on the very busy> > Marc Swanepoel (ahem) to find time to get back to me so that I can> > finish the crown piece in the series. I hope you are listening Marc!> > > > Til next time, Live long, live healthy and live happy!> > > > Tony> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Angel, I sense that you are pretty upset about this cancer. I think you are in the right place to get good advice. To deal with the emotional stress of the situation I suggest you check out two websites: www.scientology.org www.dianetics.org I've been involved with them for years and foulnd them very rewarding. Be sure to look yourself and make up your own mind. Richard Costa Mesa, CATony wrote: oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote:>> > Me again - > > Exploring this Oleander thing - again...> > I've read about it innumerable times since my diagnosis but alwaysput it aside because the information I gathered about it had so manyholes it seemed too much to tackle at the time. > > Now, it's time and I hope you can share what you know so I don'thave to re-invent the wheel all by myself again...> > The post below reminded me of some of the missing facts that hasprevented me from including this remedy in my arsenal for myself andall my friends in my local support groups...> > 1) Who is this Phoenix spin-off company -

Nerium Biotechnologylocated in Canada ? Are they they manufacturer? What else do theymanufacture? What is the process they use? Is this a big operationor is this some guy working from his shed in the back yard? What istheir address and contact info?> > 2) What is the toxicity level of homemade oleander soup? In otherwords, at what point can it be deadly or cause permanent damage? Amount ingested or concentration maximum exceeded, or type of oleanderused, or what? And by what mechanism is it deadly? Does it just shutthe liver down or what?> > 3) I don't understand this sentence "...it does cross assay withdigitalis/digoxin, and lip numbness is a sign of contamination -likely by pesticides such as Malathion."> what does that mean? when it is mixed with digitalis it's deadlier?does Malathion contain digitalis? why would you use oleander thathas been sprayed with Malathion or anything else for

that matter? does this mean that if I'm taking digitalis pills, I under nocircumstance should use the oleander in any form, for cancer?> > 4) Where are all these reports and studies and research that'sconstantly used as a factual basis for the conclusive oleanderbenefits? Not asking for anything done by "pharma" but just theACTUAL sources of all these stories, benefits, assumptions? I want toread these myself and make my own judgments about the FACTS orfictions involved. So, where are all these documents, stories,sources that Tony is basing his conviction and promotion on? I wantto discuss this with my naturopath also who is working with me on mycancer treatment protocol - but I need to talk to him intelligently,not just parrot some anecdotal hand-me-down stories about who knowswho having been cured who knows where and when.> > 5) Do any of these people who say they've been cured and

havingsurprised their doctors - do these people offer themselves asreferences? Do they offer their medical records for review to us tohelp us believe it in an intelligent way? Do their doctors offer anykind of statements or anything anywhere?> > 6) Is there a list anywhere of all these "places" or labs or doctorsor researchers involved with the oleander for cancer topic, worldwideor at least domestically? Like this Nerium Biotech and MD Anderson and Tony of course and who's continuing the work in Turkey or Israelor where ever this originated back in the 30ies or 40ies?> > 7) And last question I can think of right now - Is there a moredefinitive group, list, source for the oleander - cancer relationship,than this list by Tony?> > I hope I haven't offended anyone on this list with my questioningthat, in which you all most likely are already believers. I WANT tofind out that this thing

has some substantive data to support it'spromoted benefits. I really do. That's what I'm trying to do bytrying to get some of these obvious holes plugged in with the missinginformation.> > I appreciate any feedback you can offer.> > Thank you,> Angel> > . > Re: The latest news about oleander > > > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> > >> > > Hi folks!> > > > > > I thought maybe it would be a good time for an update on > oleander. > > > The news on the patented medicine Anvirzel is that it continues to> > > enjoy great success against virtually all kinds of cancers, as > does> > > the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement and the home made Oleander> > > Soup Remedy. The big news

about Anvirzle is that it is no longer > made> > > by Phoenix Bitoech, but instead by the newly formed Phoenix spin-> off> > > Nerium Biotechnology located in Canada and operated by former > Phoenix> > > employee Dennis Knocke.> > > > > > Earlier today I spoke with Dennis and he assured me that they > remain> > > supportive of our group, as has been Phoenix, and of my efforts to> > > help more people discover oleander in ANY form, including the home> > > remedy. He also agrees that oleander should be quite safe so long > as> > > the directions for making it are followed.> > > > > > Which reminds me - if you are not going to follow instructions > EXACTLY> > > in both making and taking it, then don't attempt it. After > recently> > > hearing from a woman who

decided to skip the straining (other > than a> > > metal juice type strainer), slug it down unmeasured out of the > bottle> > > and keep doing so after noticing numbness on her lips, I will have> > > more to say on that subject in another message. In the interim, > let's> > > just remind one and all that oleander IS a highly toxic plant > that can> > > kill you in raw form, it does cross assay with digitalis/digoxin, > and> > > lip numbness is a sign of contamination - likely by pesticides > such as> > > malathion. So, either follow directions or forget it. With the> > > Sutherlandia OPC (http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com) available for > only> > > $60 for a one month supply, it makes little sense to me to make > your> > > own anyway, and you

also have the benefit of not having to worry > about> > > the varying batch strengths which tend to be consistent with the> > > patented medicine and supplement and cac vary widely in the home > made> > > version.> > > > > > Back to my discussion with Dennis. While we talked about the > success> > > of oleander against virtually all cancers and a few cases in> > > particular, he reminded me that oleander was without doubt the > best> > > option for pancreatic cancer and melanoma. He was talking with > two> > > pancreatic cancer patients this past week who are five months out > from> > > diagnosis. One uses only oleander and the cancer has stopped > growing> > > and the other uses chemo and oleander and the cancer is GONE! They> > > have other patients who are alive years

after being diagnosed with> > > pancreatic cancer.> > > > > > Dennis also mentioned that two other papers were due to be > published> > > soon and he will forward them to me to share with you guys and > gals> > > (and the world at large) as soon as they are available.> > > > > > Meanwhile, in Houston, trials continue at MD Anderson on a new > pill> > > form of oleander developed by Phoenix Biotech whereby, according > to> > > Phoenix, they use a process with liquid carbon dioxide and micro-> fine> > > particles of oleander to extract a much greater amount of > oleandrin> > > and the other cardiac glycosides without losing any of the other> > > supportive compounds.> > > > > > And last but not least, the news out of South Africa is that a >

major> > > press conference will be held soon detailing the tremendous > successes> > > of the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement against HIV/AIDS and > cancer> > > and the new manufacturing facility that has taken over > production. I> > > have a series of articles of my own that are being published by > Mike> > > Adams Natural News website and I am patiently waiting on the very > busy> > > Marc Swanepoel (ahem) to find time to get back to me so that I can> > > finish the crown piece in the series. I hope you are listening > Marc!> > > > > > Til next time, Live long, live healthy and live happy!> > > > > > Tony> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

You can search the MD Anderson site, using the term " Anvirzel "

Also, look at: www.saludintegral.hn and their links under " research " .

Also, read the U.S. Patent by Ozel. Search under " Anvirzel patent " on

and a link pops up. There are hundreds of case histories out

there, but in the final analysis, Oleander Soup, aka Anvirzel, will

never have the support of those who could afford the studies to

legitimize its widespread use. Not enough profit to be made. It's

going to be relegated to the realm of " folk medicine " , where it began

and where it belongs, a remedy for the desperate and poor. I feel it

is worthy of use for those who can't afford nor tolerate the other

alternatives. Like " Gator Blood " . Who woulda thunk. Ed

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , RICHARD GORDON <richard3387

wrote:

>

> Hi Angel,

>

> I sense that you are pretty upset about this cancer. I think you

are in the right place to get good advice. To deal with the

emotional stress of the situation I suggest you check out two websites:

> www.scientology.org

> www.dianetics.org

>

> I've been involved with them for years and foulnd them very

rewarding. Be sure to look yourself and make up your own mind.

>

> Richard

> Costa Mesa, CA

>

> Tony wrote:

> oleander soup ,

<toreadpeoplehealthinfo@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Me again -

> >

> > Exploring this Oleander thing - again...

> >

> > I've read about it innumerable times since my diagnosis but always

> put it aside because the information I gathered about it had so many

> holes it seemed too much to tackle at the time.

> >

> > Now, it's time and I hope you can share what you know so I don't

> have to re-invent the wheel all by myself again...

> >

> > The post below reminded me of some of the missing facts that has

> prevented me from including this remedy in my arsenal for myself and

> all my friends in my local support groups...

> >

> > 1) Who is this Phoenix spin-off company - Nerium Biotechnology

> located in Canada ? Are they they manufacturer? What else do they

> manufacture? What is the process they use? Is this a big operation

> or is this some guy working from his shed in the back yard? What is

> their address and contact info?

> >

> > 2) What is the toxicity level of homemade oleander soup? In other

> words, at what point can it be deadly or cause permanent damage?

> Amount ingested or concentration maximum exceeded, or type of oleander

> used, or what? And by what mechanism is it deadly? Does it just shut

> the liver down or what?

> >

> > 3) I don't understand this sentence " ...it does cross assay with

> digitalis/digoxin, and lip numbness is a sign of contamination -

> likely by pesticides such as Malathion. "

> > what does that mean? when it is mixed with digitalis it's deadlier?

> does Malathion contain digitalis? why would you use oleander that

> has been sprayed with Malathion or anything else for that matter?

> does this mean that if I'm taking digitalis pills, I under no

> circumstance should use the oleander in any form, for cancer?

> >

> > 4) Where are all these reports and studies and research that's

> constantly used as a factual basis for the conclusive oleander

> benefits? Not asking for anything done by " pharma " but just the

> ACTUAL sources of all these stories, benefits, assumptions? I want to

> read these myself and make my own judgments about the FACTS or

> fictions involved. So, where are all these documents, stories,

> sources that Tony is basing his conviction and promotion on? I want

> to discuss this with my naturopath also who is working with me on my

> cancer treatment protocol - but I need to talk to him intelligently,

> not just parrot some anecdotal hand-me-down stories about who knows

> who having been cured who knows where and when.

> >

> > 5) Do any of these people who say they've been cured and having

> surprised their doctors - do these people offer themselves as

> references? Do they offer their medical records for review to us to

> help us believe it in an intelligent way? Do their doctors offer any

> kind of statements or anything anywhere?

> >

> > 6) Is there a list anywhere of all these " places " or labs or doctors

> or researchers involved with the oleander for cancer topic, worldwide

> or at least domestically? Like this Nerium Biotech and MD Anderson

> and Tony of course and who's continuing the work in Turkey or Israel

> or where ever this originated back in the 30ies or 40ies?

> >

> > 7) And last question I can think of right now - Is there a more

> definitive group, list, source for the oleander - cancer relationship,

> than this list by Tony?

> >

> > I hope I haven't offended anyone on this list with my questioning

> that, in which you all most likely are already believers. I WANT to

> find out that this thing has some substantive data to support it's

> promoted benefits. I really do. That's what I'm trying to do by

> trying to get some of these obvious holes plugged in with the missing

> information.

> >

> > I appreciate any feedback you can offer.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Angel

> >

> > .

> > Re: The latest news about oleander

> >

> > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi folks!

> > > >

> > > > I thought maybe it would be a good time for an update on

> > oleander.

> > > > The news on the patented medicine Anvirzel is that it continues to

> > > > enjoy great success against virtually all kinds of cancers, as

> > does

> > > > the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement and the home made Oleander

> > > > Soup Remedy. The big news about Anvirzle is that it is no longer

> > made

> > > > by Phoenix Bitoech, but instead by the newly formed Phoenix spin-

> > off

> > > > Nerium Biotechnology located in Canada and operated by former

> > Phoenix

> > > > employee Dennis Knocke.

> > > >

> > > > Earlier today I spoke with Dennis and he assured me that they

> > remain

> > > > supportive of our group, as has been Phoenix, and of my efforts to

> > > > help more people discover oleander in ANY form, including the home

> > > > remedy. He also agrees that oleander should be quite safe so long

> > as

> > > > the directions for making it are followed.

> > > >

> > > > Which reminds me - if you are not going to follow instructions

> > EXACTLY

> > > > in both making and taking it, then don't attempt it. After

> > recently

> > > > hearing from a woman who decided to skip the straining (other

> > than a

> > > > metal juice type strainer), slug it down unmeasured out of the

> > bottle

> > > > and keep doing so after noticing numbness on her lips, I will have

> > > > more to say on that subject in another message. In the interim,

> > let's

> > > > just remind one and all that oleander IS a highly toxic plant

> > that can

> > > > kill you in raw form, it does cross assay with digitalis/digoxin,

> > and

> > > > lip numbness is a sign of contamination - likely by pesticides

> > such as

> > > > malathion. So, either follow directions or forget it. With the

> > > > Sutherlandia OPC (http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com) available for

> > only

> > > > $60 for a one month supply, it makes little sense to me to make

> > your

> > > > own anyway, and you also have the benefit of not having to worry

> > about

> > > > the varying batch strengths which tend to be consistent with the

> > > > patented medicine and supplement and cac vary widely in the home

> > made

> > > > version.

> > > >

> > > > Back to my discussion with Dennis. While we talked about the

> > success

> > > > of oleander against virtually all cancers and a few cases in

> > > > particular, he reminded me that oleander was without doubt the

> > best

> > > > option for pancreatic cancer and melanoma. He was talking with

> > two

> > > > pancreatic cancer patients this past week who are five months out

> > from

> > > > diagnosis. One uses only oleander and the cancer has stopped

> > growing

> > > > and the other uses chemo and oleander and the cancer is GONE! They

> > > > have other patients who are alive years after being diagnosed with

> > > > pancreatic cancer.

> > > >

> > > > Dennis also mentioned that two other papers were due to be

> > published

> > > > soon and he will forward them to me to share with you guys and

> > gals

> > > > (and the world at large) as soon as they are available.

> > > >

> > > > Meanwhile, in Houston, trials continue at MD Anderson on a new

> > pill

> > > > form of oleander developed by Phoenix Biotech whereby, according

> > to

> > > > Phoenix, they use a process with liquid carbon dioxide and micro-

> > fine

> > > > particles of oleander to extract a much greater amount of

> > oleandrin

> > > > and the other cardiac glycosides without losing any of the other

> > > > supportive compounds.

> > > >

> > > > And last but not least, the news out of South Africa is that a

> > major

> > > > press conference will be held soon detailing the tremendous

> > successes

> > > > of the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement against HIV/AIDS and

> > cancer

> > > > and the new manufacturing facility that has taken over

> > production. I

> > > > have a series of articles of my own that are being published by

> > Mike

> > > > Adams Natural News website and I am patiently waiting on the very

> > busy

> > > > Marc Swanepoel (ahem) to find time to get back to me so that I can

> > > > finish the crown piece in the series. I hope you are listening

> > Marc!

> > > >

> > > > Til next time, Live long, live healthy and live happy!

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Please don't send her to a cult site. That's the last thing she needs. Read psalms instead.

 

M.

 

-

RICHARD GORDON

oleander soup

Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:03 AM

[sPAM]Re: Re: I need to read it myself, where is all the supporting information?

 

 

 

Hi Angel,

 

I sense that you are pretty upset about this cancer. I think you are in the right place to get good advice. To deal with the emotional stress of the situation I suggest you check out two websites:

www.scientology.org

www.dianetics.org

 

I've been involved with them for years and foulnd them very rewarding. Be sure to look yourself and make up your own mind.

 

Richard

Costa Mesa, CATony > wrote:

 

 

oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote:>> > Me again - > > Exploring this Oleander thing - again...> > I've read about it innumerable times since my diagnosis but alwaysput it aside because the information I gathered about it had so manyholes it seemed too much to tackle at the time. > > Now, it's time and I hope you can share what you know so I don'thave to re-invent the wheel all by myself again...> > The post below reminded me of some of the missing facts that hasprevented me from including this remedy in my arsenal for myself andall my friends in my local support groups...> > 1) Who is this Phoenix spin-off company - Nerium Biotechnologylocated in Canada ? Are they they manufacturer? What else do theymanufacture? What is the process they use? Is this a big operationor is this some guy working from his shed in the back yard? What istheir address and contact info?> > 2) What is the toxicity level of homemade oleander soup? In otherwords, at what point can it be deadly or cause permanent damage? Amount ingested or concentration maximum exceeded, or type of oleanderused, or what? And by what mechanism is it deadly? Does it just shutthe liver down or what?> > 3) I don't understand this sentence "...it does cross assay withdigitalis/digoxin, and lip numbness is a sign of contamination -likely by pesticides such as Malathion."> what does that mean? when it is mixed with digitalis it's deadlier?does Malathion contain digitalis? why would you use oleander thathas been sprayed with Malathion or anything else for that matter? does this mean that if I'm taking digitalis pills, I under nocircumstance should use the oleander in any form, for cancer?> > 4) Where are all these reports and studies and research that'sconstantly used as a factual basis for the conclusive oleanderbenefits? Not asking for anything done by "pharma" but just theACTUAL sources of all these stories, benefits, assumptions? I want toread these myself and make my own judgments about the FACTS orfictions involved. So, where are all these documents, stories,sources that Tony is basing his conviction and promotion on? I wantto discuss this with my naturopath also who is working with me on mycancer treatment protocol - but I need to talk to him intelligently,not just parrot some anecdotal hand-me-down stories about who knowswho having been cured who knows where and when.> > 5) Do any of these people who say they've been cured and havingsurprised their doctors - do these people offer themselves asreferences? Do they offer their medical records for review to us tohelp us believe it in an intelligent way? Do their doctors offer anykind of statements or anything anywhere?> > 6) Is there a list anywhere of all these "places" or labs or doctorsor researchers involved with the oleander for cancer topic, worldwideor at least domestically? Like this Nerium Biotech and MD Anderson and Tony of course and who's continuing the work in Turkey or Israelor where ever this originated back in the 30ies or 40ies?> > 7) And last question I can think of right now - Is there a moredefinitive group, list, source for the oleander - cancer relationship,than this list by Tony?> > I hope I haven't offended anyone on this list with my questioningthat, in which you all most likely are already believers. I WANT tofind out that this thing has some substantive data to support it'spromoted benefits. I really do. That's what I'm trying to do bytrying to get some of these obvious holes plugged in with the missinginformation.> > I appreciate any feedback you can offer.> > Thank you,> Angel> > . > Re: The latest news about oleander > > > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> > >> > > Hi folks!> > > > > > I thought maybe it would be a good time for an update on > oleander. > > > The news on the patented medicine Anvirzel is that it continues to> > > enjoy great success against virtually all kinds of cancers, as > does> > > the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement and the home made Oleander> > > Soup Remedy. The big news about Anvirzle is that it is no longer > made> > > by Phoenix Bitoech, but instead by the newly formed Phoenix spin-> off> > > Nerium Biotechnology located in Canada and operated by former > Phoenix> > > employee Dennis Knocke.> > > > > > Earlier today I spoke with Dennis and he assured me that they > remain> > > supportive of our group, as has been Phoenix, and of my efforts to> > > help more people discover oleander in ANY form, including the home> > > remedy. He also agrees that oleander should be quite safe so long > as> > > the directions for making it are followed.> > > > > > Which reminds me - if you are not going to follow instructions > EXACTLY> > > in both making and taking it, then don't attempt it. After > recently> > > hearing from a woman who decided to skip the straining (other > than a> > > metal juice type strainer), slug it down unmeasured out of the > bottle> > > and keep doing so after noticing numbness on her lips, I will have> > > more to say on that subject in another message. In the interim, > let's> > > just remind one and all that oleander IS a highly toxic plant > that can> > > kill you in raw form, it does cross assay with digitalis/digoxin, > and> > > lip numbness is a sign of contamination - likely by pesticides > such as> > > malathion. So, either follow directions or forget it. With the> > > Sutherlandia OPC (http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com) available for > only> > > $60 for a one month supply, it makes little sense to me to make > your> > > own anyway, and you also have the benefit of not having to worry > about> > > the varying batch strengths which tend to be consistent with the> > > patented medicine and supplement and cac vary widely in the home > made> > > version.> > > > > > Back to my discussion with Dennis. While we talked about the > success> > > of oleander against virtually all cancers and a few cases in> > > particular, he reminded me that oleander was without doubt the > best> > > option for pancreatic cancer and melanoma. He was talking with > two> > > pancreatic cancer patients this past week who are five months out > from> > > diagnosis. One uses only oleander and the cancer has stopped > growing> > > and the other uses chemo and oleander and the cancer is GONE! They> > > have other patients who are alive years after being diagnosed with> > > pancreatic cancer.> > > > > > Dennis also mentioned that two other papers were due to be > published> > > soon and he will forward them to me to share with you guys and > gals> > > (and the world at large) as soon as they are available.> > > > > > Meanwhile, in Houston, trials continue at MD Anderson on a new > pill> > > form of oleander developed by Phoenix Biotech whereby, according > to> > > Phoenix, they use a process with liquid carbon dioxide and micro-> fine> > > particles of oleander to extract a much greater amount of > oleandrin> > > and the other cardiac glycosides without losing any of the other> > > supportive compounds.> > > > > > And last but not least, the news out of South Africa is that a > major> > > press conference will be held soon detailing the tremendous > successes> > > of the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement against HIV/AIDS and > cancer> > > and the new manufacturing facility that has taken over > production. I> > > have a series of articles of my own that are being published by > Mike> > > Adams Natural News website and I am patiently waiting on the very > busy> > > Marc Swanepoel (ahem) to find time to get back to me so that I can> > > finish the crown piece in the series. I hope you are listening > Marc!> > > > > > Til next time, Live long, live healthy and live happy!> > > > > > Tony> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

In many ways Scientology is a friend of natural and alternative

healing; however there is no doubt it is a cult. I am not a fan,

having had a very close family member have an unpleasant experience

with one of their operations, and this is NOT a topic we are going to

debate here.

 

I do, however, respect those who feel otherwise.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Michelle " <Yahsway wrote:

>

> Please don't send her to a cult site. That's the last thing she

needs. Read psalms instead.

>

> M.

> -

> RICHARD GORDON

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:03 AM

> [sPAM]Re: Re: I need to read it myself,

where is all the supporting information?

>

>

>

> Hi Angel,

>

> I sense that you are pretty upset about this cancer. I think you

are in the right place to get good advice. To deal with the

emotional stress of the situation I suggest you check out two websites:

> www.scientology.org

> www.dianetics.org

>

> I've been involved with them for years and foulnd them very

rewarding. Be sure to look yourself and make up your own mind.

>

> Richard

> Costa Mesa, CA

>

> Tony wrote:

> oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Me again -

> >

> > Exploring this Oleander thing - again...

> >

> > I've read about it innumerable times since my diagnosis but always

> put it aside because the information I gathered about it had so many

> holes it seemed too much to tackle at the time.

> >

> > Now, it's time and I hope you can share what you know so I don't

> have to re-invent the wheel all by myself again...

> >

> > The post below reminded me of some of the missing facts that has

> prevented me from including this remedy in my arsenal for myself and

> all my friends in my local support groups...

> >

> > 1) Who is this Phoenix spin-off company - Nerium Biotechnology

> located in Canada ? Are they they manufacturer? What else do they

> manufacture? What is the process they use? Is this a big operation

> or is this some guy working from his shed in the back yard? What is

> their address and contact info?

> >

> > 2) What is the toxicity level of homemade oleander soup? In other

> words, at what point can it be deadly or cause permanent damage?

> Amount ingested or concentration maximum exceeded, or type of

oleander

> used, or what? And by what mechanism is it deadly? Does it just shut

> the liver down or what?

> >

> > 3) I don't understand this sentence " ...it does cross assay with

> digitalis/digoxin, and lip numbness is a sign of contamination -

> likely by pesticides such as Malathion. "

> > what does that mean? when it is mixed with digitalis it's

deadlier?

> does Malathion contain digitalis? why would you use oleander that

> has been sprayed with Malathion or anything else for that matter?

> does this mean that if I'm taking digitalis pills, I under no

> circumstance should use the oleander in any form, for cancer?

> >

> > 4) Where are all these reports and studies and research that's

> constantly used as a factual basis for the conclusive oleander

> benefits? Not asking for anything done by " pharma " but just the

> ACTUAL sources of all these stories, benefits, assumptions? I

want to

> read these myself and make my own judgments about the FACTS or

> fictions involved. So, where are all these documents, stories,

> sources that Tony is basing his conviction and promotion on? I want

> to discuss this with my naturopath also who is working with me on my

> cancer treatment protocol - but I need to talk to him intelligently,

> not just parrot some anecdotal hand-me-down stories about who knows

> who having been cured who knows where and when.

> >

> > 5) Do any of these people who say they've been cured and having

> surprised their doctors - do these people offer themselves as

> references? Do they offer their medical records for review to us to

> help us believe it in an intelligent way? Do their doctors offer any

> kind of statements or anything anywhere?

> >

> > 6) Is there a list anywhere of all these " places " or labs or

doctors

> or researchers involved with the oleander for cancer topic,

worldwide

> or at least domestically? Like this Nerium Biotech and MD Anderson

> and Tony of course and who's continuing the work in Turkey or Israel

> or where ever this originated back in the 30ies or 40ies?

> >

> > 7) And last question I can think of right now - Is there a more

> definitive group, list, source for the oleander - cancer

relationship,

> than this list by Tony?

> >

> > I hope I haven't offended anyone on this list with my questioning

> that, in which you all most likely are already believers. I WANT to

> find out that this thing has some substantive data to support it's

> promoted benefits. I really do. That's what I'm trying to do by

> trying to get some of these obvious holes plugged in with the

missing

> information.

> >

> > I appreciate any feedback you can offer.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Angel

> >

> > .

> > Re: The latest news about oleander

> >

> > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi folks!

> > > >

> > > > I thought maybe it would be a good time for an update on

> > oleander.

> > > > The news on the patented medicine Anvirzel is that it

continues to

> > > > enjoy great success against virtually all kinds of

cancers, as

> > does

> > > > the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement and the home made

Oleander

> > > > Soup Remedy. The big news about Anvirzle is that it is no

longer

> > made

> > > > by Phoenix Bitoech, but instead by the newly formed

Phoenix spin-

> > off

> > > > Nerium Biotechnology located in Canada and operated by former

> > Phoenix

> > > > employee Dennis Knocke.

> > > >

> > > > Earlier today I spoke with Dennis and he assured me that they

> > remain

> > > > supportive of our group, as has been Phoenix, and of my

efforts to

> > > > help more people discover oleander in ANY form, including

the home

> > > > remedy. He also agrees that oleander should be quite safe

so long

> > as

> > > > the directions for making it are followed.

> > > >

> > > > Which reminds me - if you are not going to follow

instructions

> > EXACTLY

> > > > in both making and taking it, then don't attempt it. After

> > recently

> > > > hearing from a woman who decided to skip the straining (other

> > than a

> > > > metal juice type strainer), slug it down unmeasured out of

the

> > bottle

> > > > and keep doing so after noticing numbness on her lips, I

will have

> > > > more to say on that subject in another message. In the

interim,

> > let's

> > > > just remind one and all that oleander IS a highly toxic plant

> > that can

> > > > kill you in raw form, it does cross assay with

digitalis/digoxin,

> > and

> > > > lip numbness is a sign of contamination - likely by

pesticides

> > such as

> > > > malathion. So, either follow directions or forget it. With the

> > > > Sutherlandia OPC (http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com)

available for

> > only

> > > > $60 for a one month supply, it makes little sense to me to

make

> > your

> > > > own anyway, and you also have the benefit of not having to

worry

> > about

> > > > the varying batch strengths which tend to be consistent

with the

> > > > patented medicine and supplement and cac vary widely in

the home

> > made

> > > > version.

> > > >

> > > > Back to my discussion with Dennis. While we talked about the

> > success

> > > > of oleander against virtually all cancers and a few cases in

> > > > particular, he reminded me that oleander was without doubt

the

> > best

> > > > option for pancreatic cancer and melanoma. He was talking

with

> > two

> > > > pancreatic cancer patients this past week who are five

months out

> > from

> > > > diagnosis. One uses only oleander and the cancer has stopped

> > growing

> > > > and the other uses chemo and oleander and the cancer is

GONE! They

> > > > have other patients who are alive years after being

diagnosed with

> > > > pancreatic cancer.

> > > >

> > > > Dennis also mentioned that two other papers were due to be

> > published

> > > > soon and he will forward them to me to share with you guys

and

> > gals

> > > > (and the world at large) as soon as they are available.

> > > >

> > > > Meanwhile, in Houston, trials continue at MD Anderson on a

new

> > pill

> > > > form of oleander developed by Phoenix Biotech whereby,

according

> > to

> > > > Phoenix, they use a process with liquid carbon dioxide and

micro-

> > fine

> > > > particles of oleander to extract a much greater amount of

> > oleandrin

> > > > and the other cardiac glycosides without losing any of the

other

> > > > supportive compounds.

> > > >

> > > > And last but not least, the news out of South Africa is

that a

> > major

> > > > press conference will be held soon detailing the tremendous

> > successes

> > > > of the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement against

HIV/AIDS and

> > cancer

> > > > and the new manufacturing facility that has taken over

> > production. I

> > > > have a series of articles of my own that are being

published by

> > Mike

> > > > Adams Natural News website and I am patiently waiting on

the very

> > busy

> > > > Marc Swanepoel (ahem) to find time to get back to me so

that I can

> > > > finish the crown piece in the series. I hope you are

listening

> > Marc!

> > > >

> > > > Til next time, Live long, live healthy and live happy!

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Internet debates on Scientology can go on forever and are not productive. Tony is right. This is not the forum for such a debate. Let us end this discussion and anyone who is interested can go to the library or the websites. Richard Costa Mesa, CA Tony wrote: In many ways Scientology is a friend of natural and alternativehealing; however there is no doubt it is a cult. I am not a fan,having had a very close family member have an unpleasant experiencewith one of their operations, and this is NOT a topic we are going todebate here.I do, however, respect those who feel otherwise.Tonyoleander soup , "Michelle" <Yahsway wrote:>> Please don't send her to a cult site. That's the last thing sheneeds. Read psalms instead.> > M.> - > RICHARD GORDON > oleander soup > Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:03 AM> [sPAM]Re: Re: I need to read it myself,where is all the supporting information?> > > > Hi Angel,> > I sense that you are pretty upset about this cancer. I think youare in the right place to get good advice. To deal with theemotional stress of the situation I suggest you check out two websites:> www.scientology.org> www.dianetics.org> > I've been involved with them for years and foulnd them veryrewarding. Be sure to look yourself and make up your own mind.> > Richard> Costa Mesa, CA> > Tony wrote:> oleander soup ,

<toreadpeoplehealthinfo@>wrote:> >> > > > Me again - > > > > Exploring this Oleander thing - again...> > > > I've read about it innumerable times since my diagnosis but always> put it aside because the information I gathered about it had so many> holes it seemed too much to tackle at the time. > > > > Now, it's time and I hope you can share what you know so I don't> have to re-invent the wheel all by myself again...> > > > The post below reminded me of some of the missing facts that has> prevented me from including this remedy in my arsenal for myself and> all my friends in my local support groups...> > > > 1) Who is this Phoenix spin-off company - Nerium Biotechnology> located in Canada ? Are they they manufacturer? What else do they> manufacture? What is the process they use? Is

this a big operation> or is this some guy working from his shed in the back yard? What is> their address and contact info?> > > > 2) What is the toxicity level of homemade oleander soup? In other> words, at what point can it be deadly or cause permanent damage? > Amount ingested or concentration maximum exceeded, or type ofoleander> used, or what? And by what mechanism is it deadly? Does it just shut> the liver down or what?> > > > 3) I don't understand this sentence "...it does cross assay with> digitalis/digoxin, and lip numbness is a sign of contamination -> likely by pesticides such as Malathion."> > what does that mean? when it is mixed with digitalis it'sdeadlier?> does Malathion contain digitalis? why would you use oleander that> has been sprayed with Malathion or anything else for that matter? > does this mean that if I'm taking

digitalis pills, I under no> circumstance should use the oleander in any form, for cancer?> > > > 4) Where are all these reports and studies and research that's> constantly used as a factual basis for the conclusive oleander> benefits? Not asking for anything done by "pharma" but just the> ACTUAL sources of all these stories, benefits, assumptions? Iwant to> read these myself and make my own judgments about the FACTS or> fictions involved. So, where are all these documents, stories,> sources that Tony is basing his conviction and promotion on? I want> to discuss this with my naturopath also who is working with me on my> cancer treatment protocol - but I need to talk to him intelligently,> not just parrot some anecdotal hand-me-down stories about who knows> who having been cured who knows where and when.> > > > 5) Do any of these people who say they've

been cured and having> surprised their doctors - do these people offer themselves as> references? Do they offer their medical records for review to us to> help us believe it in an intelligent way? Do their doctors offer any> kind of statements or anything anywhere?> > > > 6) Is there a list anywhere of all these "places" or labs ordoctors> or researchers involved with the oleander for cancer topic,worldwide> or at least domestically? Like this Nerium Biotech and MD Anderson > and Tony of course and who's continuing the work in Turkey or Israel> or where ever this originated back in the 30ies or 40ies?> > > > 7) And last question I can think of right now - Is there a more> definitive group, list, source for the oleander - cancerrelationship,> than this list by Tony?> > > > I hope I haven't offended anyone on this list with my

questioning> that, in which you all most likely are already believers. I WANT to> find out that this thing has some substantive data to support it's> promoted benefits. I really do. That's what I'm trying to do by> trying to get some of these obvious holes plugged in with themissing> information.> > > > I appreciate any feedback you can offer.> > > > Thank you,> > Angel> > > > . > > Re: The latest news about oleander > > > > > oleander soup , "Tony" @> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi folks!> > > > > > > > I thought maybe it would be a good time for an update on > > oleander. > > > > The news on the patented medicine Anvirzel is that itcontinues

to> > > > enjoy great success against virtually all kinds ofcancers, as > > does> > > > the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement and the home madeOleander> > > > Soup Remedy. The big news about Anvirzle is that it is nolonger > > made> > > > by Phoenix Bitoech, but instead by the newly formedPhoenix spin-> > off> > > > Nerium Biotechnology located in Canada and operated by former > > Phoenix> > > > employee Dennis Knocke.> > > > > > > > Earlier today I spoke with Dennis and he assured me that they > > remain> > > > supportive of our group, as has been Phoenix, and of myefforts to> > > > help more people discover oleander in ANY form, includingthe home> > > > remedy. He also agrees that oleander should be quite safeso long

> > as> > > > the directions for making it are followed.> > > > > > > > Which reminds me - if you are not going to followinstructions > > EXACTLY> > > > in both making and taking it, then don't attempt it. After > > recently> > > > hearing from a woman who decided to skip the straining (other > > than a> > > > metal juice type strainer), slug it down unmeasured out ofthe > > bottle> > > > and keep doing so after noticing numbness on her lips, Iwill have> > > > more to say on that subject in another message. In theinterim, > > let's> > > > just remind one and all that oleander IS a highly toxic plant > > that can> > > > kill you in raw form, it does cross assay withdigitalis/digoxin, > > and> > > > lip

numbness is a sign of contamination - likely bypesticides > > such as> > > > malathion. So, either follow directions or forget it. With the> > > > Sutherlandia OPC (http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com)available for > > only> > > > $60 for a one month supply, it makes little sense to me tomake > > your> > > > own anyway, and you also have the benefit of not having toworry > > about> > > > the varying batch strengths which tend to be consistentwith the> > > > patented medicine and supplement and cac vary widely inthe home > > made> > > > version.> > > > > > > > Back to my discussion with Dennis. While we talked about the > > success> > > > of oleander against virtually all cancers and a few

cases in> > > > particular, he reminded me that oleander was without doubtthe > > best> > > > option for pancreatic cancer and melanoma. He was talkingwith > > two> > > > pancreatic cancer patients this past week who are fivemonths out > > from> > > > diagnosis. One uses only oleander and the cancer has stopped > > growing> > > > and the other uses chemo and oleander and the cancer isGONE! They> > > > have other patients who are alive years after beingdiagnosed with> > > > pancreatic cancer.> > > > > > > > Dennis also mentioned that two other papers were due to be > > published> > > > soon and he will forward them to me to share with you guysand > > gals> > > > (and the world at large) as soon as they are

available.> > > > > > > > Meanwhile, in Houston, trials continue at MD Anderson on anew > > pill> > > > form of oleander developed by Phoenix Biotech whereby,according > > to> > > > Phoenix, they use a process with liquid carbon dioxide andmicro-> > fine> > > > particles of oleander to extract a much greater amount of > > oleandrin> > > > and the other cardiac glycosides without losing any of theother> > > > supportive compounds.> > > > > > > > And last but not least, the news out of South Africa isthat a > > major> > > > press conference will be held soon detailing the tremendous > > successes> > > > of the Sutherlandia OPC dietary supplement againstHIV/AIDS and > > cancer> > > > and the new

manufacturing facility that has taken over > > production. I> > > > have a series of articles of my own that are beingpublished by > > Mike> > > > Adams Natural News website and I am patiently waiting onthe very > > busy> > > > Marc Swanepoel (ahem) to find time to get back to me sothat I can> > > > finish the crown piece in the series. I hope you arelistening > > Marc!> > > > > > > > Til next time, Live long, live healthy and live happy!> > > > > > > > Tony> > > >> > >> >>