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Hi William,

I don't think this is the right forum to address this in detail, but

since the topic has been broached and I have a lot of experience in this

area, I thought I should share with you.

I used to be very involved in the HIV dissident movement. I worked with

HEAL in Seattle when I was in Naturopathic medical school. I co-hosted

their cable TV show and had the opportunity to interview Kary Mullis

(Nobel prize winner for inventing PCR), David Rasnick and Stephen Lanka.

To name a few. I've had interviewed in other venues and had extensive

communications with individuals from the Perth group, Christine Majorie,

John Lauritsen and others. If these names aren't familiar to you, let's

just say they are some of the biggest in the dissident movement. Or what

was the dissident movement.

Also back in (1996-2000) I posted extensively on the virusmyth.com web

board. I've read just about everything and spent many hours in the

medical library trying to understand this subject and fueling my

dissident beliefs. I think I had some of the most sophisticated and

persuasive arguments challenging the conventional paradigm. I put a lot

of my life and passion into this and have spend endless nights in anger

and disgust over what I believed was the senseless death of thousands of

people.

During this period I was also working in the Immune Wellness Clinic at

Bastyr University. This clinic was a Ryan White funding program providing

Naturopathic care for people who were HIV positive.

After I graduated I became the Naturopathic Medical Director for the

Southern Arizona AIDS Foundation (SAAF) in Tucson AZ. I provided all

Naturopathic care for the roughly 90+ patients in this Ryan White funded

program.

For the sake of time I'll cut to the chase. I discovered after working

closely with patients that I was in fact mistaken about the cause of

AIDS. Let me tell this was quite a hard pill to swallow. It took a lot

for me to face the fact that all my time energy and passion were

misguided. There was no pressure on me to change my view, other than my

own personal integrity.

I've seen too many times patients - with no explanation other than a

positive test - succumb to this disease. Trust me, I know all the

dissident arguments. These people had no risk factors, no history of drug

use, hadn't taken HIV meds, they had no other illnesses or infections.

They were often health conscious people who had high risk sexual contact

that led to HIV infection and subsequent sequelae of typical AIDS

symptoms with a concomitant decline in CD4 cells and high viral

loads.

There are also people who's lives I saved by letting them know the

dissidents were wrong and that they needed to start HIV medications. I'll

give you my first example of this.

I was a new doc and probably only in Tucson for a couple of months. A

SAAF patient came in with his partner. I had never seen a human being so

close to death before. He looked like the poster boy for the worst

notions of AIDS. He was wasting and looked like someone from a

concentration camp, he could barely walk, and clearly had dementia. He

complained of severe diarrhea and extremely painful peripheral

neuropathy. He had never taken HIV meds.

They believed strongly in Hulda Clark and were following her protocol for

AIDS - mind you it's an insane protocol which makes little sense. It

certainly wasn't helping this guy. I recently had some other clinical

experiences back in Seattle which caused me to seriously doubt my

dissident theories. I had decided to step away from my propaganda and

become more impartial. This was the very first time I opened my mouth and

suggested a patient get anti-retroviral treatment immediately.

They were very upset to hear what I was saying. They didn't believe HIV

was the cause of AIDS and they thought HIV medications would surely bring

death. I referred them to a more open minded infectious disease doc. I

prescribed the most important vitamins and herbs explaining that this was

not enough for him. That he needed to start medications immediately. This

patient was a tea totaller (sp?) his entire life. Never did drugs,

alcohol or tobacco. He had always been health conscious and in great

shape. He did however test positive after an unprotected sexual

encounter.

I never heard from them over the next few months and felt sure that he

had died. A year later a couple showed up in my office. I recognized one

of them, but the other I thought I had never seen. It was the same

patient. Except now he looked amazing, truly the picture of health and

only the most vague resemblance to the walking corpse I had seen a year

ago.

The patient lapsed into a coma a couple of days after his visit with me.

He was admitted to the hospital unconscious and treated with HIV meds. A

year later still on the meds and grateful to be with the doctor I had

referred him to, he was alive and in fantastic shape. Truly a

miracle.

That is just one of many examples. I guess long story long. My mistake

was that I almost exclusively read dissident information. I bought into

it all because it seemed to make so much sense. I'll just say things are

not always as they seem. Sorry, but that goes for alternative cancer

treatments as well.

Michael

 

 

 

At 02:10 PM 5/16/2007, you wrote:

HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

www.virusmyth.org

 

www.duesberg.com

(see his articles)

 

 

 

 

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I read of many viruses connected in some way w/ AIDS. I have also read

about really bad diets and personal health habits as a strong

contributory factor.

 

I have a friend diagnosed as HIV+ over 15 years ago. He took the

conventional HIV drugs but also followed all my advice regarding

nutrition, herbs, exercise, and general healthy-lifestyle. He is doing

very well. His health has steadily improved rather than slowly

declining. He is a good example of a person who did not rely upon nor

reject the medical care available. He is also someone who chose to

learn and practice healthy lifestyle habits.

 

Be patient, careful, exercise discretion. Do not waste your energy in

taking sides. Use your energy and time to educate yourself and doing

those things to maximize your health.

 

I hope I don't sound too pedantic. I wish you all the best that have

this concern to deal with.

 

Dr. Goebel

 

 

 

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Dr. Uzick,

 

Thank you for your reply. I am very familiar with all those names

you mentioned. I do not have your clinical experience with AIDS or

HIV in a primary care setting. I really appreciate your opinion and

I will keep it close to heart. I am just finishing up my

Biochemistry undergraduate degree and will be starting Oriental

Medicine school in the fall here in Florida. In Florida, Acupuncture

physicians have primary care privileges and I plan to offer such

care. I will most likely also complete some Western training,

although I really do not appreciate the state of Western medicine

after having working in it the last four years. (Four years isn't a

whole lot, but it has been all of my adult life and has given more

than a taste of what to expect.) When the time comes, I will keep an

open mind and try to educate my patients to make decisions for

themselves.

 

However, I came to my views the exact opposite. I happened to

discover Duesberg by accident on the web. It piqued my interest, I

printed an article or two and read them. I also gave them to my

Biochem professor. I decided to spend a semester with him in an

independent study fashion where I was able to pick a topic of my

choosing to research. I chose HIV/AIDS. I went in biased towards

convention. This started to change when I read HIV research papers,

not dissident papers. In the beginning I would go back and forth

with each new paper I read thinking of the validity of the

arguements. Then, in a specific paper, one which caused some

contorversy with Duesberg (although I didn't know this at the time),

I noticed a HUGE flaw in the research which was ignored. The

conclusions drawn from the paper were utterly flawed. I reexamined

my previous readings and found consistently bad science. The

researchers when far being equating correlation to causation, they

ignored their own data or tried to spin the results into something

they weren't. Further, HIV/AIDS research showing time and time again

that CD4 counts and viral loads have no correlation to the onset of

AIDS pushed me more toward the dissident side. The final straw for

me came upon researching the manners in which drugs were equated with

being effective. They focused solely on CD4 counts and viral loads.

(Btw, it always seemed fishy to me that PCR could be used to quantify

anything.) No double blind studies, no proof that HAART therapy

reduces AIDS onset. (The first AZT trial doesn't really count as

double blind, not because they cut it short for moral reasons, but

because the subjects were trading their drugs rampantly.) The point

is, the HIV/AIDS inadequacies lead me to the dissident view, not the

dissident views themselves. When the HIV/AIDS facts (including

others I have not mentioned, such as Montagnier's admissions to not

knowing what he was producing, etc.) didn't pan out, I had to find

another theory. So far, it fits. I am not above reevaluating my

position on it if evidence comes up to show me otherwise.

 

I'm sure none of this is new to you. As I said before, I will allow

my patients to educate themselves and make their own decisions as to

what type of treatment they will get; they will have my support

either way.

 

Once again, thank you for your long note,

 

William

 

oleander soup , " Michael Uzick, N.M.D. "

<druzick wrote:

>

> Hi William,

>

> I don't think this is the right forum to address this in detail,

but

> since the topic has been broached and I have a lot of experience in

> this area, I thought I should share with you.

>

> I used to be very involved in the HIV dissident movement. I worked

> with HEAL in Seattle when I was in Naturopathic medical school. I

> co-hosted their cable TV show and had the opportunity to interview

> Kary Mullis (Nobel prize winner for inventing PCR), David Rasnick

and

> Stephen Lanka. To name a few. I've had interviewed in other venues

> and had extensive communications with individuals from the Perth

> group, Christine Majorie, John Lauritsen and others. If these names

> aren't familiar to you, let's just say they are some of the biggest

> in the dissident movement. Or what was the dissident movement.

>

> Also back in (1996-2000) I posted extensively on the virusmyth.com

> web board. I've read just about everything and spent many hours in

> the medical library trying to understand this subject and fueling

my

> dissident beliefs. I think I had some of the most sophisticated and

> persuasive arguments challenging the conventional paradigm. I put a

> lot of my life and passion into this and have spend endless nights

in

> anger and disgust over what I believed was the senseless death of

> thousands of people.

>

> During this period I was also working in the Immune Wellness Clinic

> at Bastyr University. This clinic was a Ryan White funding program

> providing Naturopathic care for people who were HIV positive.

>

> After I graduated I became the Naturopathic Medical Director for

the

> Southern Arizona AIDS Foundation (SAAF) in Tucson AZ. I provided

all

> Naturopathic care for the roughly 90+ patients in this Ryan White

> funded program.

>

> For the sake of time I'll cut to the chase. I discovered after

> working closely with patients that I was in fact mistaken about the

> cause of AIDS. Let me tell this was quite a hard pill to swallow.

It

> took a lot for me to face the fact that all my time energy and

> passion were misguided. There was no pressure on me to change my

> view, other than my own personal integrity.

>

> I've seen too many times patients - with no explanation other than

a

> positive test - succumb to this disease. Trust me, I know all the

> dissident arguments. These people had no risk factors, no history

of

> drug use, hadn't taken HIV meds, they had no other illnesses or

> infections. They were often health conscious people who had high

risk

> sexual contact that led to HIV infection and subsequent sequelae of

> typical AIDS symptoms with a concomitant decline in CD4 cells and

> high viral loads.

>

> There are also people who's lives I saved by letting them know the

> dissidents were wrong and that they needed to start HIV

medications.

> I'll give you my first example of this.

>

> I was a new doc and probably only in Tucson for a couple of months.

A

> SAAF patient came in with his partner. I had never seen a human

being

> so close to death before. He looked like the poster boy for the

worst

> notions of AIDS. He was wasting and looked like someone from a

> concentration camp, he could barely walk, and clearly had dementia.

> He complained of severe diarrhea and extremely painful peripheral

> neuropathy. He had never taken HIV meds.

>

> They believed strongly in Hulda Clark and were following her

protocol

> for AIDS - mind you it's an insane protocol which makes little

sense.

> It certainly wasn't helping this guy. I recently had some other

> clinical experiences back in Seattle which caused me to seriously

> doubt my dissident theories. I had decided to step away from my

> propaganda and become more impartial. This was the very first time

I

> opened my mouth and suggested a patient get anti-retroviral

treatment

> immediately.

>

> They were very upset to hear what I was saying. They didn't believe

> HIV was the cause of AIDS and they thought HIV medications would

> surely bring death. I referred them to a more open minded

infectious

> disease doc. I prescribed the most important vitamins and herbs

> explaining that this was not enough for him. That he needed to

start

> medications immediately. This patient was a tea totaller (sp?) his

> entire life. Never did drugs, alcohol or tobacco. He had always

been

> health conscious and in great shape. He did however test positive

> after an unprotected sexual encounter.

>

> I never heard from them over the next few months and felt sure that

> he had died. A year later a couple showed up in my office. I

> recognized one of them, but the other I thought I had never seen.

It

> was the same patient. Except now he looked amazing, truly the

picture

> of health and only the most vague resemblance to the walking corpse

I

> had seen a year ago.

>

> The patient lapsed into a coma a couple of days after his visit

with

> me. He was admitted to the hospital unconscious and treated with

HIV

> meds. A year later still on the meds and grateful to be with the

> doctor I had referred him to, he was alive and in fantastic shape.

> Truly a miracle.

>

> That is just one of many examples. I guess long story long. My

> mistake was that I almost exclusively read dissident information. I

> bought into it all because it seemed to make so much sense. I'll

just

> say things are not always as they seem. Sorry, but that goes for

> alternative cancer treatments as well.

>

> Michael

>

At 02:10 PM 5/16/2007, you wrote:

>

> >HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

> >

> >www.virusmyth.org

> >

> >www.duesberg.com (see his articles)

> >

>

>

>

>

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> www.DoctorUzick.com

> -------------------------------

>

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