zoloft

[Guest guest]

Greetings Everyone! I am currently seeking ways to relieve myself of

prescribed medication (as much as I can, anyway). I have been taking

Zoloft for about 3 years, for Fibromyalgia. Can anyone tell me how to

go about this?

[Guest guest]

Dale wrote:

<Greetings Everyone! I am currently seeking ways to relieve myself of prescribed medication (as much as I can, anyway). I have been taking Zoloft for about 3 years, for Fibromyalgia. Can anyone tell me how to go about this? >

Dale,

 

Are you familiar with the website of Dr Ann Blake Tracy?

http://drugawareness.org

might have the information on how to taper off slowly.

Be careful, these drugs are like riding a tiger.

Easier to get on than off.

 

With what will you replace the Zoloft?

Good luck with it!

 

Ien in the Kootenays****************************"To treat life as less than a miracleis to give up on it."~Wendell BerryRainforest Miracles:http://wildhealing.net****************************

[Guest guest]

Hi Dale,

 

I posted recently on Fibromyalgia and will include the post below. Also, your doctor has you taking a drug for anxiety and depression for fibromyalgia? You should let your doctor know you are wanting to use natural means of treating the fibromyalgia and would like to wean yourself off the Zoloft.

 

I agree with the real cause of fibromyalgia. I believe the cause of all disease is poor nutrition, lack of exercise, stress, environmental toxins.

 

The body has an amazing capability to heal when given whole foods, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, probiotics and fiber and natural remedies and

therapies that help bring the body back into balance.

 

With fibromyalgia you should avoid immune stimulants. Inflammation needs to be brought under control and there is typically a

deficiency of the adrenal hormone cortisol, which controls inflammation in the body. Supplements that can be used to reduce inflammation

are licorice, yucca and white willow bark.

 

Muscles go into spasm when they are exhausted, so increasing energy production in the cells is important. Fibralgia is a combination of malic

acid and magnesium, which helps increase energy in the muscle cells and enable them to relax. Magnesium deficiency is probably a major factor

in this disorder.

 

Some other herbs that can be used to reduce muscle cramping and pain are kava kava and lobelia. A gentle detoxification is also recommended

for a person who has fibromyalgia.

 

Blessings,

 

Michelle Newport, CH

Nature For Life

" Better Health Through Better Living "

http://www.natureforlife.com

 

 

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Greetings Everyone! I am currently seeking ways to relieve myself of

prescribed medication (as much as I can, anyway). I have been taking

Zoloft for about 3 years, for Fibromyalgia. Can anyone tell me how to

go about this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Dale KnechtgesWednesday, May 10, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: zoloftGreetings Everyone! I am currently seeking ways to relieve myself of prescribed medication (as much as I can, anyway). I have been taking Zoloft for about 3 years, for Fibromyalgia. Can anyone tell me how to go about this?

[Guest guest]

--- i have heard people say do it slowly cutting down the dosage

gradually

 

are you cured -probably not -are you open to suggestions if so read on

 

 

 

 

Be sure that you have read carefully the cayce philosophy page as

missing any one of the principles there could cost you in some form –

we know we have done it.

For so many people who have medical problems it is very challenging

from many different aspects. It is undoubtedly a learning experience

because straight away you will be challenged with gaining

understanding ,and gathering important and vital information.

 

Next you must evaluate the information and this is the biggest

problem which I have seen patients struggle with .Faced with a serious

medical problem it can affect your thinking ability to such an

extent , study might be near impossible.

 

Or you may not have good evaluation skills at all ,so what do simple

patients rely on then ,the sound of a doctor, his voice how they are

treated , the hospitals, even the fact that someone wears a white

coat.

 

Like lambs to the slaughter they entrust their selves in systems which

they know nothing or very little about. That is their learning

experience as so many have found out to their cost.

So just to concentrate on evaluation skills for a moment .How does a

person evaluate material and information. These are the questions you

should ask for the real world so you are not mislead and sent down

paths which may cost you much money, much misery much pain.

 

1.Who wrote the information? How much experience did they have? From

what source did they gather this information? How high is this source

of information ? Who is paying his wages ? Is this person being told

what to write ?

 

2.Is there evidence to back up these claims you can check and verify?

 

3. Are their other good sources which you can call upon to give you

verification ?

 

4.my final tip , pray to the universe , god and ask to be shown if

this information is of value or to led to information which is of

value.

 

For a start you may not have a clue as to what vested interest and big

business has done to our medical systems here in the UK and all over

the world.

Drugs and other treatments

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment At present the system

in England is this, all treatment recommended by the NHS should be

tested and approved and quite rightly so. Obviously it costs vast sums

of money to test and approve treatments because of the possible damage

to people and the subsequent litigation costing millions of pounds.

Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments?

By far the biggest source is the drug companies. So take for example a

researcher might go along to his local drug company and tell them his

findings about this treatment he has been working on which is of

outstanding value but needs testing further or approving, you might

think they would be falling over themselves to know more –right, you

could not be more wrong. By and large only treatments, which show a

profit, will even get examined. Because they are in business to make a

profit, not for serving the people.

 

So instead of them falling over them selves they may see you as a

threat to their profits and try and bury the promising herb drug or

whatever. So many of the thousands of therapies which they see as

having no profit potential do not get approved and thus by and large

do not get recommended by your local doctor or hospital despite the

fact that some of them do have overwhelming benefits. Some which have

saved needless operations, needless amputations, needless pain and

trauma, needless kidney failures and much loss of life and years of

misery and pain.

 

So Mrs Jones by and large you will probably only get recommended

treatments where there is profit in them for someone.

Have you heard your local doctor recommend, nutritional therapy

Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour

therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

Electrical Frequency devices. Karma therapy .All of these have shown

their inherent worth with thousands of testimonials.

 

One of the most important principles outlined by cayce research and

others where people are suffering from any condition is

To do everything they can to help others in whatever capacity they can.

Why you may ask?

Cayce frequently mentioned that this would bring faster results.

This is probably the greatest single ingredient in helping you

personally get well

This will help all people to transmute their own karma. Don't know

what karma is .

 

OVERVIEW OF FIBROMYALGIA

Fibromyalgia is a chronic disorder characterized by widespread

musculoskeletal pain, fatigue, and multiple tender points. " Tender

points " refers to tenderness that occurs in precise, localized areas,

particularly in the neck, spine, shoulders, and hips. People with this

syndrome may also experience sleep disturbances, morning stiffness,

irritable bowel syndrome, anxiety, and other symptoms.

 

According to the American College of Rheumatology, fibromyalgia

affects 3 to 6 million Americans. It primarily occurs in women of

childbearing age, but children, the elderly, and men can also be

affected.

 

Treatment of fibromyalgia requires a comprehensive approach. The

physician, physical therapist, and patient may all play an active role

in the management of fibromyalgia. Studies have shown that aerobic

exercise, such as swimming and walking, improves muscle fitness and

reduces muscle pain and tenderness.

 

Heat and massage may also give short-term relief. Antidepressant

medications may help elevate mood, improve quality of sleep, and relax

muscles. Fibromyalgia patients may benefit from a combination of

exercise, medication, physical therapy, and relaxation.

 

EDGAR CAYCE'S PERSPECTIVE ON FIBROMYALGIA

During Edgar Cayce's era it was commonly called muscular rheumatism.

Several individuals with this diagnosis received readings on their

condition.

For example, reading

5233-1 was given for a seventy-nine-year-old man who was suffering

from muscular rheumatism:

 

TEXT OF READING 5233-1 M 79 (Retired, Christian)

 

Cayce found much that is very good about the general physical forces

of this body. But there is, such anxiety about the general conditions

and the reflexes that this brings on the very conditions which one

fears.

 

if there are good eliminations daily, sufficient exercise, physical,

mental and spiritual, and an even balance or coordinant activity kept,

we may live a full life expectancy.

 

 

There were indulgences as to eat and drink. These have left their

effect upon the circulation between the liver and the kidneys. Thus

the cleansing of the alimentary canal, either by flushing at times

with the mineral salts, at other times vegetable compounds, would be

well. But the more preferable between these would be irrigation of

the alimentary canal or cleansing the colon, using properties in

combination which

 

in the gallon of water put a heaping teaspoonful of salt and a level

teaspoonful of baking soda. This dissolved and used in the water will

be much preferable and will not make for a strain

on the body. Use a tablespoon of plain Petrolagar stirred in the

last quart and a half for the rinse water.

Sweats and massages and a general circulation by specifice exercises

will keep this body physically satisfactory.

 

Can a cure be effected for chronic bronchitis? (A) This will be

improved as nature responds through increased or bettered circulation,

with less and less poisons in the system.

 

(Q) What can be done for muscular rheumatism?

Do these things indicated and the conditions where there is the effect

to heart, liver, lungs and kidneys will be improved; which all are a

part of the general conditions here.

Be moderate in all things; not to excess in any, and we'll have the

98 years of expectancy in this experience, if ye live to deserve it.

But what can you give to others? Unless you have something to give,

what right have you to be in the way of others? Have something to

give; you may live as long as ye are worthy.

 

 

For a female

3255-1 F 64

 

The body should consider as to the sources and causes for the neuritic

and neurotic conditions that exist through the body. This is what

might ordinarily be called a condition wherein the general taxation

has run down the battery for the body; that is, the toxic forces in

the body

have become excessive.

 

Thus there are pains in the arms, or shoulders at times, in the

back, through the lower limbs and through the abdominal area. All of

these come and go,

dependent upon how well and how thoroughly the eliminations are in

the body, and as to whether in the diet the body keeps the general

physical forces alkaline or allows the greater

portion to become acid.

 

Then we have those reflexes that cause some disturbance with the

heart, with the kidneys and with the liver. These all arise from

toxic forces that affect naturally (for, as the body battery is)

heart, liver, lungs and kidneys. These must coordinate. When they do

not, some portion of it is going to revert.

 

Take at least once each week a general hydrotherapy treatment. This

should include a cabinet sweat followed by a thorough rubdown.

 

About every twenty days have a high colonic irrigation, until there is

no reaction of mucous in the stool at all.

 

After the sweat bath there should be the needle baths or showers

followed by the massages.

 

In the diet beware of too much starches or too much combinations of

proteins with starches.

 

Keep the eliminations better with the use of minerals for this body

rather than vegetable laxatives. Owing to the batteries as it were -

liver, kidneys and heart - being run down.

 

 

The Edgar Cayce readings consistently maintain that the liver and

kidneys serve as the " batteries of the body. " The liver is said to be

the positive pole of the battery, the kidneys the negative.

 

Thus, when the liver and kidneys are deficient in their functioning,

the body's battery may be said to have run down. Fatigue and low

vitality are the result. These features are common in people with

fibromyalgia.

 

Note the emphasis on maintaining a proper alkaline/acid balance.

Keeping the system slightly alkaline was encouraged by Edgar Cayce.

The standard diet recommended by Cayce is helpful in this direction.

 

This woman was told to obtain colonic irrigations, fume baths and

massage, and to use a mild laxative. Thus, internal cleansing was a

major emphasis in the treatment plan for this person.

 

TEXT OF READING 1655-1 F 24

 

Thus we have a complication, for the disturbing forces within this

body are produced by the deflection of energies owing to adhesions as

well as subluxations that exist in the

cerebrospinal system, from lesions having formed from the

disturbance through the periods when the temperature was high.

 

Some time back there were those conditions produced by an intestinal

flu; and the condition produced in the ascending colon, and in the

areas of the caecum as well as those farther up - or as related to

the emptying of the duodenum; and also from inflammatory conditions -

the right ovary.

 

All of these have produced and do produce the conditions where a

neuritic, rheumatic effect has existed; and the effects of the

poison, and the pressures upon the tissue through the area and the

activity of same upon the organs of assimilation, are the seat and

the cause of the disturbance.

 

.. The lesions as formed from same, as we find, are in the 8th and 9th

dorsal; as well as reflexes from the 4th and 5th dorsal areas. These

also affect sympathetically those in the lumbar axis. For as the

body has given way in the structural activity to these, there tends

to be an unbalancing in the pelvic bone. Thus we have a disturbance

in the lumbar axis.

 

with the lack of proper eliminations, and overactivity mentally OR

physically - the body tends to tire easily. Also a reaction is

caused from the lack of the full eliminations; as does

cold or congestion of any nature; upsetting the digestive system as

well as the activities of the organs of the pelvis during Periods; and

the general tired and headachey feeling, with an aching all over when

there are disturbances.

 

These as we find, then, may be entirely eliminated - if there is

sufficient time and precaution taken for the body

 

We would have at least eight to ten deep osteopathic manipulations

and adjustments for the areas indicated; the dorsal, lumbar AND the

areas through the cervical and the rest of the dorsal, making for

coordinating with the general activities.

 

In taking the manipulations osteopathically, have a GENERAL treatment

once a week and a specific treatment once a week; that is, make the

corrections in the 4th and 5th and 6th

dorsal, 9th dorsal, 4th lumbar once a week, with a general

coordination; and then have a GENERAL treatment throughout the whole

of the cerebrospinal system another time during the same week.

 

Hence two treatments a week should be given, and fourteen or fifteen

such treatments - half general and half specific - should be

sufficient.

 

use of Codiron as a tonic. Take two tablets each day, one at noon,

one at evening - until at

least fifty have been taken.

 

For the disturbance through the colon, and the activity for the

general forces of the repressions produced in the ovary activity, we

would prepare and take a compound which will - with the properties in

the Codiron - work well with the body. Prepare same in this way and

manner:

 

To 2 ounces of Strained Honey add 2 ounces of Distilled Water. Let

this come to a boil. Skim off all refuse, and when nearly cool, to

this as the carrier, add - in the ORDER

NAMED:

Pure Grain Alcohol................1 1/2 ounces,

Fusion or Elixir of Wild Ginseng....1/4 ounce,

Essence of Indian Turnip............1/2 dram,

Tincture of Stillingia..............1/4 ounce.

 

Shake the solution well before each dose is taken, which would be a

teaspoonful before the morning meal and one just before retiring -

until the whole quantity has been taken.

 

When there is pain or repressions, during those periods of activities

in elimination from the body, use the saturated solution of Epsom

Salts in Packs across the small of the back and over the lower portion

of the abdomen. There will not be required more than the change once

or twice for same, and such Packs should be applied hot - to the body

direct. Use heavy cloths, you see, with other dry cloths or towels

laid over same.

 

The diet should be well-balanced. Keep away from too much of sweets,

too much of starches. Use rather the honey in the honeycomb as the

sweet. Most of the starches should be rather in whole wheat, or such

natures. Vegetables, nuts and fruits should form the principal

portion of the diet. As to potatoes or such starches, only eat the

jackets or that part close to same - or eat more of the peel than the

pulp itself.

 

In the activities of the body keep in the open as much as possible.

 

 

Readings 1655-1 and 1655-2 provide further documentation on the causes

and treatment of fibromyalgia. Most likely, fibromyalgia can be

produced by a variety of factors. One pattern is that the individuals

suffer a prolonged episode of the flu or other infectious disorder

from which they never fully recover. Edgar Cayce described this

pattern in reading 1655-1:

 

Some time back there were those conditions produced by an intestinal

flu; and the condition produced in the ascending colon, and in the

areas of the caecum as well as those farther up - or as related to the

emptying of the duodenum; and also from inflammatory conditions - the

right ovary.

 

All of these have produced and do produce the conditions where a

neuritic, rheumatic effect has existed; and the effects of the poison,

and the pressures upon the tissue through the area and the activity of

same upon the organs of assimilation, are the seat and the cause of

the disturbance...

 

All of these are the disturbances through the activities for this

body. While, through care and attention, these do not produce so much

disturbance, we find that at times - with the lack of proper

eliminations, and overactivity mentally OR physically - the body tends

to tire easily.

 

Also a reaction is caused from the lack of the full eliminations; as

does cold or congestion of any nature; upsetting the digestive system

as well as the activities of the organs of the pelvis during Periods;

and the general tired and headachey feeling, with an aching all over

when there are disturbances. (1655-1)

The mental/emotional aspects of the condition were addressed in the

second reading for this woman:

(Q) Is part of my seeming illness mental?

(A) The attitude, of course, has much to do; but it is rather the

physical condition creating the mental. But make for more hopeful,

more helpful, more constructive thinking - and this would improve the

general condition much. (1655-2)

 

The treatment plan for this person recommended moderate outdoor

exercise and a basic diet with emphasis on fruits and vegetables.

Manual therapy (spinal manipulations) was suggested relieve pressures

along the spine and improve functioning of the hepatic and digestive

systems.

 

Castor oil packs were recommended to assist with eliminations and

relax the body. A ginseng tonic to assist with digestion and

eliminations was prescribed. Minute dosages of beef juice was

recommended to increase vitality.

 

OVERVIEW OF THERAPEUTIC REGIME

The treatments recommended in the Cayce readings on fibromyalgia are

mainly directed toward improving the digestive, circulatory, nervous,

and eliminating systems.

 

Diet, moderate exercise, a mild form of energy medicine (Radial

Appliance), spinal manipulations and general massage, colon

irrigation, and castor oil packs are therapies intended to improve

these vital systemic functions.

 

As was typical of Cayce's holistic approach, the mental and spiritual

aspects of therapy were emphasized.

Here are the basic therapies recommended for the treatment of

fibromyalgia based on the Cayce information on this disorder:

1. 1. INTERNAL CLEANSING: Hydrotherapy includes drinking six to eight

glasses of pure water daily, colonic irrigations (preferably) or

enemas, and a cleansing diet of fresh fruits and vegetables.

2.

Castor oil packs across the abdomen are recommended to improve

eliminations through the liver and colon. Mild laxatives may be

helpful if constipation is a problem. Fume baths assist with

elimination of toxins through the skin.

 

3. MANUAL THERAPY (SPINAL MANIPULATION AND MASSAGE): Osteopathic or

chiropractic treatment is recommended to relieve any pressures that

may be hindering circulation and decreasing eliminations. Gentle

massage is suggested to relax the body and improve circulation and

eliminations.

 

4. DIET: The Basic Cayce Diet is intended to improve assimilation and

elimination. The diet focuses heavily on keeping a proper

alkaline/acid balance while avoiding foods which produce toxicity and

drain the system. Essentially, the diet consists mainly of fruits and

vegetables while avoiding fried foods and refined carbohydrates ( " junk

food " ). Certain food combinations are emphasized.

 

 

5. ENERGY MEDICINE: In addition to the above therapies which will tend

to improve circulation, the Radial Appliance is recommended to further

assist in increasing relaxation and nervous system coordination. Edgar

Cayce said that this appliance would be helpful for anyone having

problems with disturbed sleep and fatigue.

 

6. MEDICINE: A ginseng tonic is recommended to improve digestion and

eliminations. Small dosages of beef juice are recommended for persons

who experience significant fatigue and lack of vitality.

 

 

7. MODERATE EXERCISE: Walking or other moderate exercise is

recommended. Be outdoors in the open as much as possible.

 

8. ATTITUDES AND EMOTIONS: The mental and emotional aspects of healing

are frequently discussed in the Cayce readings. Particularly, an

attitude of desiring and expecting to be healed is important. A

positive mental and emotional attitude and can be created and

maintained by focusing on a high purpose (ideal) for being healed.

 

 

 

*FIBROMYALGIA LINKED TO IBS*

 

The Edgar Cayce readings consistently maintain that problems in the

bowel can produce systemic conditions. A recent medical study echoes

this theme.

 

Researchers at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles,California

may have discovered a simple test that links fibromyalgia (acondition

manifesting as muscle pain) with irritable bowel syndrome (orIBS, a

condition involving abdominal pain, bloating, and diarrhea).

 

The lactulose breath test (LBT) is used to assess for the presence of

microbes in the bowel in cases of IBS. Some previous studies have

found that nearly one-third of fibromyalgia patients also have IBS.

 

The study, published in the Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases

(April2004), explored the hypothesis that LBT would be abnormal in

both IBS and fibromyalgia patients. The researchers recruited 42

fibromyalgia patients, 111 IBS patients, and 15 healthy control

subjects who were

given the LBT.

 

All the patients with fibromyalgia exhibited abnormal LBT results

compared to 84 percent in the IBS group and 20 percent in the control

group. Furthermore, the amount of hydrogen gas detected in the LBT

correlated with the level of pain in the fibromyalgia patients.

 

The researchers noted that further studies would be needed to

determine if treatment and normalization of the LBT with antibiotics

can produce improvement in fibromyalgia symptoms.

Further information on other therapies and other ailments will be

found at my web site. Go to

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ Please feel free to

copy and distribute to your friends. You can e-mail me if you want

more info on the Edgar cayce principles or specific info on some of

the major complaints he dealt with such as cancer, ms etc. or you can

come on our absent healing list for free just e mail pho

 

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In , " Dale Knechtges "

<dalejean1958 wrote:

>

> Greetings Everyone! I am currently seeking ways to relieve myself

of

> prescribed medication (as much as I can, anyway). I have been

taking

> Zoloft for about 3 years, for Fibromyalgia. Can anyone tell me how

to

> go about this?

>

[Guest guest]

Dale, First, Ien in the Kootenays in right - Dr. Ann Blake Tracy is a leading authority on the dangers of anti-depressants. she is the only authority who had spoke before Congress twice about them. Secondly, I recommend MSM because fibromyalgia is an autoimmune disease and sulphur is an indispensible aid in curing - not treating - autoimmune diseases. I also agree with Michele about your doctor's recommendation - what is he/she thinking?? The finest quality MSM is from Young Living. It is called Sulfurzyme. I take four per day. I cannot recommend it too highly - it is that good. ElisabethIeneke van Houten <ienvan wrote: Dale wrote: <Greetings Everyone! I am currently seeking ways to relieve myself of prescribed medication (as much as I can, anyway). I have been taking Zoloft for about 3 years, for Fibromyalgia. Can anyone tell me how to go about this? > Dale, Are you familiar with the website of Dr Ann Blake Tracy? http://drugawareness.org might have the information on how to taper off slowly. Be careful, these drugs are

like riding a tiger. Easier to get on than off. With what will you replace the Zoloft? Good luck with it! Ien in the Kootenays****************************"To treat life as less than a miracleis to give up on it."~Wendell BerryRainforest Miracles:http://wildhealing.net****************************

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I was wondering if anyone has any information regarding Zoloft. I have been

reading that it may cause more problems than it helps, including increased

depression. I have been taking Zoloft for over 12 years and would like to

gradually cut it out. I was up to 200mg a day, and have lessened that to 100mg,

when I don't take it I feel very irrationally irritable and feel like I may

explode in anger at anytime! I take all kinds of supplements to keep Hodgkins

in remission (I have hope that this new diet and supplements will work) I don't

want Chemo again, so I am trying to take a proactive approach. Any info will be

appreciated. Thanks, Marsha

 

 

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Hi Marsha,

I was on an antidepressant before and getting off of it was pure hell. It

takes a lot of trial and error and major weaning and then will power comes into

play. There is a man on this group who used supplements to heal both himself and

his son from depression. Maybe you can email him and ask for his opinion? His

name is Allen Darman.

Rochelle

 

Marsha Abernethy <bigslowsmom wrote:

I was wondering if anyone has any information regarding Zoloft. I have

been reading that it may cause more problems than it helps, including increased

depression. I have been taking Zoloft for over 12 years and would like to

gradually cut it out. I was up to 200mg a day, and have lessened that to 100mg,

when I don't take it I feel very irrationally irritable and feel like I may

explode in anger at anytime! I take all kinds of supplements to keep Hodgkins in

remission (I have hope that this new diet and supplements will work) I don't

want Chemo again, so I am trying to take a proactive approach. Any info will be

appreciated. Thanks, Marsha

 

 

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, rochelle

<therealtordog wrote:

> Hope you make it. First find a Doctor who will help get you off

this stuff. There are Dr. out there that believe in things other than

antidepressants. Than with your DR. Learn about and study such things

ab the role of vitamin d in depression there are several links on this

web cite to vitamin d benefits. Also explore the relationship off fish

oils to depression a good book is Dr. Stolls book. Just google it up.

mercola .com is an excellant resource. Good luck Vince

> Hi Marsha,

> I was on an antidepressant before and getting off of it was pure

hell. It takes a lot of trial and error and major weaning and then

will power comes into play. There is a man on this group who used

supplements to heal both himself and his son from depression. Maybe

you can email him and ask for his opinion? His name is Allen Darman.

> Rochelle

>

> Marsha Abernethy <bigslowsmom wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has any information regarding

Zoloft. I have been reading that it may cause more problems than it

helps, including increased depression. I have been taking Zoloft for

over 12 years and would like to gradually cut it out. I was up to

200mg a day, and have lessened that to 100mg, when I don't take it I

feel very irrationally irritable and feel like I may explode in anger

at anytime! I take all kinds of supplements to keep Hodgkins in

remission (I have hope that this new diet and supplements will work) I

don't want Chemo again, so I am trying to take a proactive approach.

Any info will be appreciated. Thanks, Marsha

[Guest guest]

I was put on zoloft 3-months and within 4 days of taking it, I was thinking

suicide thoughts. I will never try another antidepressant again!

 

Rose

[Guest guest]

Dear Marsha,

 

The best place to learn about how to taper properly is

www.paxilprogress.org<about:blank>

It's a message board with 4000 members of which most are in withdrawal or have

yet to complete antidepressant withdrawal. A book that will help you a lot

is Dr. Joseph Glenmullens book " The Antidepressant Solution " - which I found on

Amazon.com.

 

Antidepressant withdrawal is a VERY slow process- due to the debilitating side

effects of withdrawal itself. The side effects are usually worse than the

original problem

for which it was prescribed. There is SO much information you need to know. This

is a very serious matter. Please read some of the threads at Paxil Progess.

You will be amazed how much you don't know and need to find out.

 

By the way- 90% of doctors don't know the first thing about tapering and they

will tell you there is no such thing as withdrawal. They put you on a tapering

schedule that is much too fast so that you crash and burn. Then they will

convince you that you are still depressed and need the meds. Trust me, trust

4000 other people- it is withdrawal!

 

 

I wish you all the best, as I went through it myself. I am now in month 7 of my

withdrawal from several meds.

 

Donna anne

 

 

 

 

" We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. " - Immanuel Kant

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Donna, I appreciate the information. I will look into both of your

suggestions. I'm thankful I only have 1 drug to withdraw from, I congratulate

you on your bravery!

 

Donna Masi <TribalFantasyDesigns wrote: Dear Marsha,

 

The best place to learn about how to taper properly is

www.paxilprogress.org<about:blank>

It's a message board with 4000 members of which most are in withdrawal or have

yet to complete antidepressant withdrawal. A book that will help you a lot

is Dr. Joseph Glenmullens book " The Antidepressant Solution " - which I found on

Amazon.com.

 

Antidepressant withdrawal is a VERY slow process- due to the debilitating side

effects of withdrawal itself. The side effects are usually worse than the

original problem

for which it was prescribed. There is SO much information you need to know. This

is a very serious matter. Please read some of the threads at Paxil Progess.

You will be amazed how much you don't know and need to find out.

 

By the way- 90% of doctors don't know the first thing about tapering and they

will tell you there is no such thing as withdrawal. They put you on a tapering

schedule that is much too fast so that you crash and burn. Then they will

convince you that you are still depressed and need the meds. Trust me, trust

4000 other people- it is withdrawal!

 

I wish you all the best, as I went through it myself. I am now in month 7 of my

withdrawal from several meds.

 

Donna anne

 

" We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. " - Immanuel Kant

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

There was a major study done in Germany comparing St. John's Wart and

prescription depression drugs. End result; the St. Johns Wart worked

as well as prescriptions but had far fewer side effects.

 

Jeff

[Guest guest]

I'm in the process of weaning myself off Zoloft. My doctor refused to help

get off it, so I cancelled my appts and I'm on my own. I'm down to 25 mg

(1/2 a 50 mg tab) every other day. The day I don't take it, I get mild

'brain zaps'. I'm considering trying to cut the tablet into quarters and

take it every night.

I was also on Concerta (I have adhd) and am off that as well. I'm using

5-htp, ginko biloba, and I'm going to add St John's Wort now that I'm almost

off the Zoloft. That combination has worked well for me, and I feel much

more clear-headed than I was on the meds. I just wanted to share my

experience. I wish you luck.

Jen

[Guest guest]

For those who are trying to get off an antidepressant I want to share my

experience. On several long intervals of time I needed to take Elivil for sleep

and depression. I also had these brain zaps Jen referred to when trying to

reduce dosage. The last time I was on Elivil, which was about 10 years ago, I

got off it rather quickly and easily with no brain zaps. I did it by using

fairly high doses of St. John's Wort and I didn't experience the very

uncomfortable sensations that I had previously with Elivil. I couldn't believe

how easy it was the last time I used Elivil. I still take St. John's Wort every

night for sleep among other things.

 

Linda

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

" Jen Hetrick " <rednecgrl71

> I'm in the process of weaning myself off Zoloft. My doctor refused to help

> get off it, so I cancelled my appts and I'm on my own. I'm down to 25 mg

> (1/2 a 50 mg tab) every other day. The day I don't take it, I get mild

> 'brain zaps'. I'm considering trying to cut the tablet into quarters and

> take it every night.

[Guest guest]

Have yoy suffered from major depression? I've never been able to

quite wean myslef off Zoloft. I find your message encouraging.--- In

, " Jen Hetrick "

<rednecgrl71 wrote:

>

> I'm in the process of weaning myself off Zoloft. My doctor refused

to help

> get off it, so I cancelled my appts and I'm on my own. I'm down to

25 mg

> (1/2 a 50 mg tab) every other day. The day I don't take it, I get

mild

> 'brain zaps'. I'm considering trying to cut the tablet into

quarters and

> take it every night.

> I was also on Concerta (I have adhd) and am off that as well. I'm

using

> 5-htp, ginko biloba, and I'm going to add St John's Wort now that

I'm almost

> off the Zoloft. That combination has worked well for me, and I

feel much

> more clear-headed than I was on the meds. I just wanted to share

my

> experience. I wish you luck.

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Hi. I had brain zaps all through the night for almost one month. At first I

thought it was seizures until I researched online and found these 'brain zaps'.

It was terrible but I perservered and then they eventually stopped. I will so

never take those drugs again.

Rochelle

 

coupscounter <coupscounter wrote:

Have yoy suffered from major depression? I've never been able to

quite wean myslef off Zoloft. I find your message encouraging.--- In

, " Jen Hetrick "

<rednecgrl71 wrote:

>

> I'm in the process of weaning myself off Zoloft. My doctor refused

to help

> get off it, so I cancelled my appts and I'm on my own. I'm down to

25 mg

> (1/2 a 50 mg tab) every other day. The day I don't take it, I get

mild

> 'brain zaps'. I'm considering trying to cut the tablet into

quarters and

> take it every night.

[Guest guest]

I highly recommend that you take a look at The Road Back's protocol...

 

www.theroadback.org

 

They do not sell anything - so this is not an advertisement... I just

started following their program and it is quite impressive... Their

program eliminates withdrawal.

 

I've tried " everything " but believe this may really be an answer.

 

Lynn

Moderator/SSRI-Research

 

 

, " Donna Masi "

<TribalFantasyDesigns wrote:

>

> Dear Marsha,

>

> The best place to learn about how to taper properly is

www.paxilprogress.org<about:blank>

> It's a message board with 4000 members of which most are in

withdrawal or have yet to complete antidepressant withdrawal. A book

that will help you a lot

> is Dr. Joseph Glenmullens book " The Antidepressant Solution " - which

I found on Amazon.com.

>

> Antidepressant withdrawal is a VERY slow process- due to the

debilitating side effects of withdrawal itself. The side effects are

usually worse than the original problem

> for which it was prescribed. There is SO much information you need

to know. This is a very serious matter. Please read some of the

threads at Paxil Progess.

> You will be amazed how much you don't know and need to find out.

>

> By the way- 90% of doctors don't know the first thing about

tapering and they will tell you there is no such thing as withdrawal.

They put you on a tapering schedule that is much too fast so that you

crash and burn. Then they will convince you that you are still

depressed and need the meds. Trust me, trust 4000 other people- it is

withdrawal!

>

>

> I wish you all the best, as I went through it myself. I am now in

month 7 of my withdrawal from several meds.

>

> Donna anne

>

>

>

>

> " We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. " -

Immanuel Kant

>

>