Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Greetings, I wanted to know if anyone here is familiar with natural supplements for people with ADD and if they are using and what if any they think is necessary amounts to help with symptoms. Such as grape seed or pine bark,St John's Wort, L-tryptophan, 5-HTP, SAMe, Vit E, Phosphatidal Serine for memory issues, folic acid, B12, B6, and Ginko biloba. These have been suggested and wanted to find out if there are others out there that are using for ADD. Your help would be appreciated. Thank you, made_line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 A supplement that many researchers are having success with is Omega 3 fatty acids in the form of high dose fish oil. You can learn more about this at: http://www.authentic-breathing.com/fish_oil.htm , " made_line " <made_line> wrote: > > > Greetings, I wanted to know if anyone here is familiar with natural > supplements for people with ADD and if they are using and what if any > they think is necessary amounts to help with symptoms. Such as grape > seed or pine bark,St John's Wort, L-tryptophan, 5-HTP, SAMe, Vit E, > Phosphatidal Serine for memory issues, folic acid, B12, B6, and Ginko > biloba. These have been suggested and wanted to find out if there are > others out there that are using for ADD. Your help would be > appreciated. Thank you, made_line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 You're playing my song! Natural help for ADD is one of the passions of my life. And thanks for reminding me I have to finish the series I started on ADD. ( I am not sure it exists, but if it does, I have it) Here is our family's story. Yes, this is my business now, but the personal experience came first. Our son Alex was cute, loving, obviously bright and very funny, especially at home where he felt safe. He was also extremely moody, overly sensitive, a picky eater, given to tantrums and hard to understand. Thank goodness his mother was a health food nut already and recognized hypoglycemia. This kid's blood sugar levels would get so low that he would no longer recognize he was hungry. Occasionally we'd have to force a teaspoon of honey into a screaming child. A minute later we'd have a reasonable little boy! Many ADD and bipolar people have blood sugar management issues. School was tough. Alex was frequently bullied and had a hard time with much of the work, even though his intelligence was never in doubt. In grade three a school nurse detected some sensory integration issues. A year-long program of eye exercises finally allowed him to learn to read. He had had no ability to eye-track till then. He tried home schooling in grade 9. It was not a success, but in that year he shot up and bulked out. When he went back to school in grade 10 he looked like someone you would not want to mess with. At least the bullying mostly stopped. He still had no friends. Since he was not hyper and we live in a small town ADHD was never considered. Besides it was less fashionable in the eighties. Enter the AFA miracle. In the fall of his final year Alex started eating a gram of AFA daily. He became a different person. Gone were the tantrums and the emotional ups and downs. Especially the downs! The change was gradual. We realized something had dramatically shifted the night of the history essay, some time in November. As usual Alex had left it till the last moment. Usually this would have meant moaning and gnashing of teeth, stomping around in panic, and generally freaking out until all his energy would have been gone and it was too late to do any work. This time he came home, had some extra AFA, and calmly went to work. He emerged for dinner, had some more AFA, and continued with total focus till 1AM, when the assignment was done. The grade was 100%. He also made friends for the first time that year, 1997/98. We still had no idea about ADD. A while later I attended a seminar by ADHD expert Dr John Taylor who described ADD minus the typical H. To my utter amazement I heard him describe my son as if he knew him. Alex later did receive an official diagnosis of ADD. What a joke. A half hour talk, fill in a questionnaire, here is your label, would you like some Ritalin. Thanks but no thanks. I recognize many of the typical ADD traits in myself and my husband. Is ADD a "disease"? Who knows? Let's say this: if it exists, we have it. Whenever I have forgotten my beloved greens I find myself spinning around in circles, not accomplishing anything, craving carbohydrates and having trouble finding my words. After a life time of feeling tired and being anemic I now have energy all day, (almost) every day! I feel younger and more vibrant at 61 than I did in my forties. These days my AFA brand is Aquazon, a superb formula of top quality AFA mixed with iodine-rich Fucus. Aquazon keeps company with other wild whole food products. Shipibo Treasure Tea, Illumination, and Fiberzon are among my main allies for maintaining health. More information on AFA can be found here: Aquazon Ien in the Kootenays*****************************You ought to be Thankful,a Whole Heaping Lotfor the places and peopleyou're lucky you're not!~Dr Seusswho is this Kootenay person anyway?http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 A good fish oil is very important too, purified, and high concentration. I believe OmegaBrite is a good one because it's 90% concentrate. For B12, methyl cobalamin is the way to go, subcutaneous shot to the buttocks, it's much better absorbed that way. Also, if you're looking for other things besides supplements: 1) get rid of sugar from the diet (try SCD diet, uses only honey) 2) get rid of additives/preservatives (try Feingold diet) 3) consider cranial sacral/chiropractic 4) consider homeopathy - read Ritalin-free Kids by Ullmann 5) consider detoxing, perhaps by sauna or chelation , " made_line " <made_line> wrote: > > > Greetings, I wanted to know if anyone here is familiar with natural > supplements for people with ADD and if they are using and what if any > they think is necessary amounts to help with symptoms. Such as grape > seed or pine bark,St John's Wort, L-tryptophan, 5-HTP, SAMe, Vit E, > Phosphatidal Serine for memory issues, folic acid, B12, B6, and Ginko > biloba. These have been suggested and wanted to find out if there are > others out there that are using for ADD. Your help would be > appreciated. Thank you, made_line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Thanks for the website, I went and have heard about the Omega Fatty Acids, Fish Oil. Actually I have taken in the past and fish is primarily the meat in my diet, but will get to add to what I am taking now. , " Dennis Lewis " <denlew94131> wrote: > > > A supplement that many researchers are having success with is Omega 3 > fatty acids in the form of high dose fish oil. You can learn more > about this at: > > http://www.authentic-breathing.com/fish_oil.htm > > , " made_line " > <made_line> wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, I wanted to know if anyone here is familiar with natural > > supplements for people with ADD and if they are using and what if any > > they think is necessary amounts to help with symptoms. Such as grape > > seed or pine bark,St John's Wort, L-tryptophan, 5-HTP, SAMe, Vit E, > > Phosphatidal Serine for memory issues, folic acid, B12, B6, and Ginko > > biloba. These have been suggested and wanted to find out if there are > > others out there that are using for ADD. Your help would be > > appreciated. Thank you, made_line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Thank you for the story, I myself am on an autobio about my ADD and sounds like you are doing something very similiar. A series sounds interesting, my story has started out as a 3000 word essay to be submitted and then I plan to turn this into a book. Would be interested in what you are doing, also will visit the sites you gave in the next few days. Let's talk more. , " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan@t...> wrote: > You're playing my song! > Natural help for ADD is one of the passions of my life. > And thanks for reminding me I have to finish the series > I started on ADD. > ( I am not sure it exists, but if it does, I have it) > > Here is our family's story. > Yes, this is my business now, but the personal > experience came first. > > Our son Alex was cute, loving, obviously > bright and very funny, especially at home > where he felt safe. > > He was also extremely moody, overly > sensitive, a picky eater, given to tantrums > and hard to understand. > > Thank goodness his mother was a health food > nut already and recognized hypoglycemia. > > This kid's blood sugar levels would get so > low that he would no longer recognize he > was hungry. > > Occasionally we'd have to force a teaspoon of > honey into a screaming child. A minute later > we'd have a reasonable little boy! > > Many ADD and bipolar people have blood sugar > management issues. > > School was tough. > Alex was frequently bullied and had a hard time > with much of the work, even though his intelligence > was never in doubt. > > In grade three a school nurse detected some > sensory integration issues. > A year-long program of eye exercises finally > allowed him to learn to read. > He had had no ability to eye-track till then. > > He tried home schooling in grade 9. > It was not a success, but in that year he > shot up and bulked out. > When he went back to school in grade > 10 he looked like someone you would not > want to mess with. > At least the bullying mostly stopped. > > He still had no friends. > > Since he was not hyper and we live in a small > town ADHD was never considered. > Besides it was less fashionable in the eighties. > > Enter the AFA miracle. > > In the fall of his final year Alex started eating > a gram of AFA daily. > He became a different person. > > Gone were the tantrums and the emotional > ups and downs. Especially the downs! > > The change was gradual. > We realized something had dramatically shifted > the night of the history essay, some time in > November. > As usual Alex had left it till the last moment. > > Usually this would have meant moaning > and gnashing of teeth, stomping around in > panic, and generally freaking out until all > his energy would have been gone and it was > too late to do any work. > > This time he came home, had some extra > AFA, and calmly went to work. He > emerged for dinner, had some more AFA, > and continued with total focus till 1AM, > when the assignment was done. > The grade was 100%. > > He also made friends for the first time that > year, 1997/98. > > We still had no idea about ADD. > > A while later I attended a seminar by ADHD > expert Dr John Taylor who described ADD > minus the typical H. > > To my utter amazement I heard him describe > my son as if he knew him. > > Alex later did receive an official diagnosis of ADD. > What a joke. A half hour talk, fill in a questionnaire, > here is your label, would you like some Ritalin. > Thanks but no thanks. > > I recognize many of the typical ADD traits > in myself and my husband. > Is ADD a " disease " ? Who knows? > Let's say this: if it exists, we have it. > > Whenever I have forgotten my beloved greens > I find myself spinning around in circles, not > accomplishing anything, craving carbohydrates > and having trouble finding my words. > > After a life time of feeling tired and being anemic > I now have energy all day, (almost) every day! > > I feel younger and more vibrant at 61 than I did > in my forties. > > These days my AFA brand is Aquazon, a > superb formula of top quality AFA mixed with > iodine-rich Fucus. > Aquazon keeps company with other wild whole > food products. > > Shipibo Treasure Tea, Illumination, and Fiberzon > are among my main allies for maintaining health. > > More information on AFA can be found here: > Aquazon@s... > > Ien in the Kootenays > ***************************** > You ought to be Thankful, > a Whole Heaping Lot > for the places and people > you're lucky you're not! > ~Dr Seuss > who is this Kootenay person anyway? > http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien > ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Hilary thank you for the suggestions, I am looking into fish oils and working on the sugar, which I am totally addicted, have been with chiropractic since age 19 and detoxing has been on my mind for some time, will look into chelation but a sauna would be very good if I could find one here locally. , " Hilary " <hilarydowning> wrote: > > > A good fish oil is very important too, purified, and high > concentration. I believe OmegaBrite is a good one because it's 90% > concentrate. > For B12, methyl cobalamin is the way to go, subcutaneous shot to the > buttocks, it's much better absorbed that way. > Also, if you're looking for other things besides supplements: > 1) get rid of sugar from the diet (try SCD diet, uses only honey) > 2) get rid of additives/preservatives (try Feingold diet) > 3) consider cranial sacral/chiropractic > 4) consider homeopathy - read Ritalin-free Kids by Ullmann > 5) consider detoxing, perhaps by sauna or chelation > > , " made_line " > <made_line> wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, I wanted to know if anyone here is familiar with natural > > supplements for people with ADD and if they are using and what if > any > > they think is necessary amounts to help with symptoms. Such as grape > > seed or pine bark,St John's Wort, L-tryptophan, 5-HTP, SAMe, Vit E, > > Phosphatidal Serine for memory issues, folic acid, B12, B6, and > Ginko > > biloba. These have been suggested and wanted to find out if there > are > > others out there that are using for ADD. Your help would be > > appreciated. Thank you, made_line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Essential fatty acids, absolutely. By the way, they are in the algae. Fish oil is concentrated algae oil. Play with your food. The suggestion to look into Feingold is excellent. Let's get one question out of the way first. ADHD, is it real? People can get awfully riled up about whether ADD/ADHD is a real neurological condition or not. Parents who have a severely ADHD child get pretty tired of l istening to advice from people who don't have a clue what they are going through. The argument goes more or less like this.This is exaggerated to make it clear, OK? ADHD=disease, Pro: "ADD is a disease, like Diabetes.The treatment for ADD is Ritalin or other medicationjust like the treatment for Diabetes is Insulin.Get the kid medicated already!" This attitude is often taken by schools. Scary.Especially since ADHD can be "diagnosed" on veryflimsy grounds. ADHD=Disease, Anti: "ADHD is a label that was invented by the evil psychiatric establishment in order to sell drugs.ADHD is just the result of all or any of the following: *allergies*toxins in the environment*nutritional deficiencies*learning disabilities*lack of sleep*video games and TV*bad parents/teachers" This attitude is often taken by well-meaning friends and relatives who know of some kids who became little angels after getting more EFAs, or enough zinc, or an earlier bed time, or whatever. It is maddening and insulting to parents who may alreadyhave tried many of the suggestions. We could call this the "nothing but" approach. Solving the question really does not matter for people who are looking for natural answers. Let us for a moment assume that ADHD is real. Many if not most children with this label suffer from allergies, digestive challenges, nutritional deficiencies, and learning disabilities.They also function best in an environment that is both loving and well-organized and structured. We can use natural ways to meet their needs and improve their functioning.For some kids all ADHD symptoms do indeed go away when their allergies are treated and/or when the right teaching method is found. We might say those kids suffered from "False ADHD".They had ADHD symptoms but no actual neurological damage. Other kids need more. They may still have special needs even after theirallergies are dealt with, they have a good diet,sleep well, and are receiving the right teaching methodin the right environment. We might say these kids have "True ADHD". Stimulant medication may be helpful for some of those kids, especially after all else has been tried. But even a child on Ritalin will be happier and healthier if his allergies are treated, he is well-nourished, and the right teaching methods are used. A well-nourished child may need smaller doses of medicationand is likely to suffer fewer side effects. My personal take on the matter is that ADHD exists but is totally over-diagnosed. Ien in the Kootenays**********************************"What is the use of a house if you haven'tgot a tolerable planet to put it on?"~ThoreauSaving the rainforest, a cup of tea at the time.http://wildhealing.net******************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Part 2 of my work in progress on non-drug approaches to ADD Topic today: Baby Steps to order. The gist of part 1: Natural solutions take us away from the magic pill approach. ADHD is not a simple condition. We really need to think and/and, not either/or.The right teaching methods AND the right food, etc. I am sharing resources that I wish I had known about when Alex was little.* Today I want to introduce my guru: FlyLady!! Have you heard of FlyLady? FlyLady is a system to get your life in order and much more. ADD children do much better in an orderly, clean environment with clear rules. Unfortunately ADD runs in families. So one or both parents may be ADD as well. That makes itmuch harder to create the best home for the child.I suspect ADD in both myself and DH. Our home was loving and full of books, but it certainly was not orderly. Chaos outside leads to more chaos inside! FlyLady never uses the A word. She calls herself a SHE, forSide-tracked Home Executive. But she sure sounds like ADD. Many of the testimonials come from people who say they are ADD. No matter what else you do, life with your ADHD child will beeasier with FlyLady. Visit the website,read some testimonials and sign up for the daily reminders. It may change your life. And its FREE! http://FlyLady.net *Did you read Alex' story yet? Find it here: alexstory Ien in the Kootenays***********************************************"If the brain were so simple we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't".~Lyall WatsonNourish your brain with whole wild foodaquazon********************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 My sons have recently been diagnosed with Non verbal Learning Disabilities. Many times children with NVLD's are disagnosed with ADD/ADHD mistakenly. During my research about this I came across a wonderful website that has many alternative cures. So if I may, Mr. Moderator plug the site . It is www.nativeremedies.com. take care and good luck! Laura , " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan@t...> wrote: > Essential fatty acids, absolutely. > By the way, they are in the algae. > Fish oil is concentrated algae oil. > > Play with your food. > The suggestion to look into Feingold is excellent. > > Let's get one question out of the way first. > > ADHD, is it real? > > People can get awfully riled up about whether ADD/ADHD is a > real neurological condition or not. > > Parents who have a severely ADHD child get pretty tired of l > istening to advice from people who don't have a clue what > they are going through. > > The argument goes more or less like this. > This is exaggerated to make it clear, OK? > > ADHD=disease, Pro: > > " ADD is a disease, like Diabetes. > The treatment for ADD is Ritalin or other medication > just like the treatment for Diabetes is Insulin. > Get the kid medicated already! " > > This attitude is often taken by schools. Scary. > Especially since ADHD can be " diagnosed " on very > flimsy grounds. > > ADHD=Disease, Anti: > > " ADHD is a label that was invented by the evil psychiatric > establishment in order to sell drugs. > ADHD is just the result of all or any of the following: > > *allergies > *toxins in the environment > *nutritional deficiencies > *learning disabilities > *lack of sleep > *video games and TV > *bad parents/teachers " > > This attitude is often taken by well-meaning friends and > relatives who know of some kids who became little angels > after getting more EFAs, or enough zinc, or an earlier bed > time, or whatever. > > It is maddening and insulting to parents who may already > have tried many of the suggestions. > > We could call this the " nothing but " approach. > > Solving the question really does not matter for people > who are looking for natural answers. > > Let us for a moment assume that ADHD is real. > > Many if not most children with this label suffer from > allergies, digestive challenges, nutritional deficiencies, > and learning disabilities. > They also function best in an environment that is both > loving and well-organized and structured. > > We can use natural ways to meet their needs and improve > their functioning. > For some kids all ADHD symptoms do indeed go away when > their allergies are treated and/or when the right teaching > method is found. > > We might say those kids suffered from " False ADHD " . > They had ADHD symptoms but no actual neurological > damage. > > Other kids need more. > > They may still have special needs even after their > allergies are dealt with, they have a good diet, > sleep well, and are receiving the right teaching method > in the right environment. > > We might say these kids have " True ADHD " . > > Stimulant medication may be helpful for some of those kids, > especially after all else has been tried. > > But even a child on Ritalin will be happier and healthier > if his allergies are treated, he is well-nourished, and the > right teaching methods are used. > > A well-nourished child may need smaller doses of medication > and is likely to suffer fewer side effects. > > My personal take on the matter is that ADHD exists but is > totally over-diagnosed. > > Ien in the Kootenays > ********************************** > " What is the use of a house if you haven't > got a tolerable planet to put it on? " > ~Thoreau > Saving the rainforest, a cup of tea at the time. > http://wildhealing.net > ******************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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