Guest guest Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Hi Kate, Everclear is good for tinctures. You use 50/50 everclear/distilled water. Panther Piss is used by some of us on this list. It is a 50/50 solution of apple cider vinegar and blackstrap molasses. I believe it has many uses but one is to balance the acid/alkaline ratio. You should browse around the files for recipes and other tips. There is a lot of good information there. You could start with Total Tonic. It's pretty easy and seems to cover a lot of different issues. Enjoy! Ann Is it safe to make a tincture with "everclear" a190 proof grain alcohol? Because its such a high proof would it be safe to ingest??? I'm also wondering if any of you have heard of a formula called "panther piss"?? What is it and what is it used for?? Finally, I'm learning about tincture making and I wonder what tinctures you all find most useful and which ones you always keep on hand...I'm making some for practice and i want to make ones that will be the most useful...Thanks for any help you can give!! Kate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 10, 2002 Heya Kate! I just wanted to say hi and welcome, but since I've gone and taken up your mailbox with an email anyway, I'll take a stab at two of your questions... 1. Everclear -- Excellent! The higher proof, the better it is at sucking the stuff out of your herbs. It will also " suck " to take, you're right in that, if only because Everclear tastes so *nasty*. (But don't worry about a few drops of it hurting you; it won't.) I suggest making your tinctures with it, and then for the weak of " spirit " (hehe), putting the tincture dose into a small cup of hot water--this will evaporate off the alcohol. I do this all the time even with Vodka tinctures, for kids and my friends who are recovered alcoholics! 2. My favorite tinctures to have around: Echinacea...though I've added Garlic and Marshmallow root to this one over time. It's a great antibiotic (the garlic adds to that), antiseptic, antifungal, etc etc. Good internally for colds/flus and bacterial problems; externally for skin problems, infections, wounds, boils, etc. My second favorites are cayenne, which I'm still learning the myriad uses of, and black walnut hull, which is an awesome antifungal. (Someone suggested I put a little BWH tincture in the soapy water I use to clean my bathroom...works great!) Take care 'n stuff, Sara T. >Hello All > My name is kate and I've been enjoying your post and the >information you all share for awhile now....I'd like to ask a few questions >if you all don't mind.... > >Is it safe to make a tincture with " everclear " a190 proof grain alcohol? >Because its such a high proof would it be safe to ingest??? > >I'm also wondering if any of you have heard of a formula called " panther >piss " ?? What is it and what is it used for?? > >Finally, I'm learning about tincture making and I wonder what tinctures you >all find most useful and which ones you always keep on hand...I'm making >some for practice and i want to make ones that will be the most >useful...Thanks for any help you can give!! Kate > > > > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to >prescribe for your own health. >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as >they behave themselves. >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > >Dr. Ian Shillington >Doctor of Naturopathy >Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 10, 2002 With 190 Proof, you want to cut it 50 - 50 with distilled water before you tincture. The strongest should be 60 - 40. 60%Everclear and 40% Distilled water. Panther Piss remedy should be in the "Files". Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Kate herbal remedies Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:30 PM [herbal remedies] hi all Hello All My name is kate and I've been enjoying your post and theinformation you all share for awhile now....I'd like to ask a few questionsif you all don't mind....Is it safe to make a tincture with "everclear" a190 proof grain alcohol?Because its such a high proof would it be safe to ingest???I'm also wondering if any of you have heard of a formula called "pantherpiss"?? What is it and what is it used for??Finally, I'm learning about tincture making and I wonder what tinctures youall find most useful and which ones you always keep on hand...I'm makingsome for practice and i want to make ones that will be the mostuseful...Thanks for any help you can give!! Kate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 11, 2002 Thanks to all who replied to my questions...Kate - Ian Shillington N.D. herbal remedies Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:27 PM Re: [herbal remedies] hi all With 190 Proof, you want to cut it 50 - 50 with distilled water before you tincture. The strongest should be 60 - 40. 60%Everclear and 40% Distilled water. Panther Piss remedy should be in the "Files". Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Kate herbal remedies Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:30 PM [herbal remedies] hi all Hello All My name is kate and I've been enjoying your post and theinformation you all share for awhile now....I'd like to ask a few questionsif you all don't mind....Is it safe to make a tincture with "everclear" a190 proof grain alcohol?Because its such a high proof would it be safe to ingest???I'm also wondering if any of you have heard of a formula called "pantherpiss"?? What is it and what is it used for??Finally, I'm learning about tincture making and I wonder what tinctures youall find most useful and which ones you always keep on hand...I'm makingsome for practice and i want to make ones that will be the mostuseful...Thanks for any help you can give!! KateFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2003 probably not much....lol... apple cider vinegar is great for many things but that is as juice or liquid.... a vinegar pill ?? i can't imagine it would be very effective, but I guess would be better than no vinegar.... Here is some info - I hope it helps... but I would go with apple cider vinegar NOT the pills. apple cider vinegar contains cholesterol-reducing pectin and the perfect balance of 19 minerals, including potassium, phosphorus, chlorine, sodium, magnesium, calcium, sulfur, iron, fluorine and silicon. In fact, apple cider vinegar contains 93 different components that can help your body.The many benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar include: Regulates blood pressure. Fights infection. Relieves arthritis, gout and joint pain. Promotes Digestion. Improves Metabolism. Fights Osteoporosis. Maintains healthy skin. Relieves sore throats, laryngitis. Soothes sunburn, shingles and bites. Helps prevent dandruff, baldness and itching scalp. Cider vinegar has many healing abilities and is known to improve certain symptoms of illness and disease. It works not by curing any specific illness, but by boosting the health of the individual with its nutritional and healthful qualities. It may be an effective remedy for and kidney disease and helpful in alleviating joint pain. The malic acid content of apples dissolves calcium deposits. "marsgutierrez <marsgutierrez" <marsgutierrez wrote: can someone please tell me what vinager pills are good for? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2003 on a week off a week Suzi doodle bug <doodlebugboodles wrote: I use a 9% tea tree in jojoba as a moisturizer, and then the tea tree neat in problem areas. You may want to check on the usage of Echinacea, I think your body needs breaks from it, but the others here would know better. "SUZANNE CLAIRE VALIANTIS <suzanne.val" <suzanne.val wrote: HI allLooking forward to meeting you all and learning all about Herbal remedies. Does anyone now of any good Remedies for acne, at the moment i am taking Echinacea,nettle,and burdock root tablets 2 three times daily and my acne has gone down a little but i still have some smaller spots which i would prefer them not to be there, please can you help me.SuzanneFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2003 Nothing! Love, Doc PS. Use the real thing = Organic Apple Cider Vinegar. ;o) Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - marsgutierrez <marsgutierrez herbal remedies Monday, January 06, 2003 2:04 PM [herbal remedies] hi all can someone please tell me what vinager pills are good for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 10, 2003 Dear Suzanne, Acne is almost always caused by one of two sources. 1. Bad Diet. 2. Poor Kidney function due to toxicity. And sometimes possibly both. You'd need to get very specific about your overall health before anyone could get specific about a program for you. I'd be willing to be there is way more than that going on with you, sooooooo...give! ;o) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - SUZANNE CLAIRE VALIANTIS <suzanne.val herbal remedies Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:04 PM [herbal remedies] Hi all HI allLooking forward to meeting you all and learning all about Herbal remedies. Does anyone now of any good Remedies for acne, at the moment i am taking Echinacea,nettle,and burdock root tablets 2 three times daily and my acne has gone down a little but i still have some smaller spots which i would prefer them not to be there, please can you help me.Suzanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 21, 2004 Hi Jamie, Have you given Doc a call? Maybe a healing crisis turned on after your cleanse and you're stuck in the middle of it now. Can you do a juice cleanse? Or go all raw fruits/veggies and do the liver tea? Just some thoughts... Hope you feel better soon! :)Kelli SpareRibOfAz [spareRibOfAz] Sunday, June 20, 2004 5:55 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Hi All Well my trip to Texas was pretty good. I am still having some issues... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 21, 2004 Hi Jamie, Glad you're back, i have missed your posts. Sorry to hear you are not feeling so well. Is it possible you picked up some type of " bug " when you were down south a couple of weeks back? Also,i havent read thru all the messages yet, but did anyone mention MSM? I know when i am really achy in the joint dept, i make sure to have my MSM, and if i remember an extra does in the late afternoon/evening. Hope things right themselves soon, Sylvia herbal remedies , SpareRibOfAz@a... wrote: > Well my trip to Texas was pretty good. I am still having some issues... The > pinched nerve in my right may I am now unsure of...as I am having similar pain > in my bones and joints...just in my arms and legs stemming from the shoulder > neck area. It is in fingers and a little in the toes as well. My right arm is > the worse part but my right ankle is runner up. It is not good for me to be > typing much but I am here reading the emails as much as I can. I feel pretty good > all in all just having these new pains...they are not sharp pain but like > different and painful.. I will be careful and keep listening to my body to > determine what the heck is going on! It really started June 13, the day after my > birthday in the right arm. I was having shoulder problems and a little neck > since early October 03 so this may be related to it... I have been seeing a chiro > and a massage guy who teaches you stretches for different problems. Also did a > (TBC) cleanse in May. > > Anyway just wanted you all to know I am here and miss you all very much. I am > just trying to see if this will run it's course or if I need to approach it > some other way. > > God Bless & Tons of Love, > Jamie in Az Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2004 Hi all...I am wondering if anyone can suggest what I can use for possible paracites...I have heard of drops of javex in water...I know this sounds harsh..However, javex is used in ecoli in water wells...I am just not sure how much..I am a widow on a budget, God bless Hugs Heather Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2005 Hi Tracy, That's my son's name and he's always asking me to change it, LOL! He's only 9. Welcome to the group. Juana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 18, 2005 Tracy wrote: im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids and adults me and my 9 year old have it i would say and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals so if anyone could offer some info please feel free thanks tracy from ohio Tracy, I have worked with this a lot. Is it OK if I email you privately? Ien in the Kootenays ******************************* Stop. Breathe. Smile! ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) See my smiling face: http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien ******************************* - tracy Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:57 PM hi all hi everyone my first post here i would like to say hi my name is tracy im a male lol with tracy its a two way street i am am herbs and vitamins consumer would rather try fixing myself if i can even stitches if i can. im not a very good speller so please over look it im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids and adults me and my 9 year old have it i would say and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals so if anyone could offer some info please feel free thanks tracy from ohio Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 19, 2005 Welcome Tracy. I too would be interested in any information as my granddaughter has ADD but she's not hyper. Penny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2005 Ien I'm interested in reading what you have on ADHD. I'd be obliged if you'd be so kind as to forward your info to me too. thanks , " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan@t...> wrote: > Tracy wrote: > > im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids > and adults > me and my 9 year old have it i would say > and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals > so if anyone could offer some info please feel free > thanks tracy from ohio > > Tracy, > > I have worked with this a lot. > Is it OK if I email you privately? > > Ien in the Kootenays > ******************************* > Stop. Breathe. Smile! > ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) > See my smiling face: > http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien > ******************************* > > > - > tracy > > Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:57 PM > hi all > > > > > hi everyone > my first post here i would like to say hi my name is tracy > im a male lol with tracy its a two way street > i am am herbs and vitamins consumer would rather try fixing myself if > i can even stitches if i can. > im not a very good speller so please over look it > im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids > and adults > me and my 9 year old have it i would say > and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals > so if anyone could offer some info please feel free > thanks tracy from ohio > > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > > > > -- ---------- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2005 Ien I'm interested in reading what you have on ADHD. I'd be obliged if you'd be so kind as to forward your info to me too. thanks , " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan@t...> wrote: > Tracy wrote: > > im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids > and adults > me and my 9 year old have it i would say > and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals > so if anyone could offer some info please feel free > thanks tracy from ohio > > Tracy, > > I have worked with this a lot. > Is it OK if I email you privately? > > Ien in the Kootenays > ******************************* > Stop. Breathe. Smile! > ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) > See my smiling face: > http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien > ******************************* > > > - > tracy > > Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:57 PM > hi all > > > > > hi everyone > my first post here i would like to say hi my name is tracy > im a male lol with tracy its a two way street > i am am herbs and vitamins consumer would rather try fixing myself if > i can even stitches if i can. > im not a very good speller so please over look it > im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids > and adults > me and my 9 year old have it i would say > and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals > so if anyone could offer some info please feel free > thanks tracy from ohio > > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > > > > -- ---------- > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2005 Me too Ien.. I have a grandson who needs help. Hugs Neysa > Ien > > I'm interested in reading what you have on ADHD. I'd be obliged if > you'd be so kind as to forward your info to me too. > > thanks > > , " Ieneke van Houten " > <ienvan@t...> wrote: > > Tracy wrote: > > > > im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids > > and adults > > me and my 9 year old have it i would say > > and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals > > so if anyone could offer some info please feel free > > thanks tracy from ohio > > > > Tracy, > > > > I have worked with this a lot. > > Is it OK if I email you privately? > > > > Ien in the Kootenays > > ******************************* > > Stop. Breathe. Smile! > > ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) > > See my smiling face: > > http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien > > ******************************* > > > > > > - > > tracy > > > > Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:57 PM > > hi all > > > > > > > > > > hi everyone > > my first post here i would like to say hi my name is tracy > > im a male lol with tracy its a two way street > > i am am herbs and vitamins consumer would rather try fixing > myself if > > i can even stitches if i can. > > im not a very good speller so please over look it > > im wanting to here any ideas on herbs that help adhd in kids > > and adults > > me and my 9 year old have it i would say > > and i dont want to put him on riddlin or other chimicals > > so if anyone could offer some info please feel free > > thanks tracy from ohio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following > link: /join > > > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 20, 2005 Ien, I would like your info on ADHD also. Thanks. Sandi Blackkat Herbs http://www.blackkatherbs.com > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2005 Hi David, a friend suffers badly from anxiety. She finds a lot of relief with lemon balm tea, hot or cold, and several of the nervine herbs. I know some of those she uses are mullein, lobelia, motherwort... can't remember for certain. But they do help tremendously. (If only she would take them more often!) Janelle --- davidjaypark <davidj93 wrote: > Hi all, > > I am new and just wanted to shoot a quick email out > and say hi. I also > wanted to see if anyone had advice for mental > illness. I am 26 and have > struggled with anxiety for 7 years. The reason being > is a buddy passed > away when I was 19 and I developed anxiety as a > result. I have been > seeing a doctor and I know what the problem is but > the anxiety gets so > strong I can't get into it. It is almost like I > can't weed through the > anxiety to get to the real problem. So I was > thinking their might be > some natural remedies that could disapate my anxiety > and although the > suppressed thoughts to rise up. I just thought I > would give it a shot, > because I definitely want to get better and am not a > big fan of being > intimidated as a result of anxiety. Regardless, I > hope all is well and > hope to hear from you soon! Take care! > > Sincerely, > Dave > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2005 Hi Steve! Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California Check out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine! goatclearing http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html No one ever gets far unless he accomplishes the impossible at least once a day. Elbert Hubbard - " gwandana " <gwandana Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:31 PM Hi all > Gday > I have just joined your group, recommended by a very dear friend of > mine. > A little about me; I am studying Integrated Body Therapies at ACNT, > this course is massage and aromatherapy predominately, touching on > lots of other modalities. I love the aroma side I look forward to > sharing and learning here. > Blessings > Steve > The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > > Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO > yummy! > http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: > /join > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 10, 2006 Welcome crystal and I hope you have it al worked out , this is a good safe place to express yourself, and if you need help or need a guilding hand or have one to give. -- Have a Happy and Keep Smiling TTFN Angelina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2006 Dear Shakira Rose, Welcome to Herbal Remedies. I hope you enjoy your stay with us. ;-) In Health, Freedom, and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - Jo Ann herbal remedies Monday, July 24, 2006 6:24 PM Herbal Remedies - Hi all Just wanting to say. I am Yellowrose or ShakiraRose. I live in Fair Play MO I am studying Herbology. I have just started and learning very slowly. It is all very interesting. Hope to have great chats and learn from this site. Bye for now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2007 Welcome, Terri! We're happy to have you here. :-) Hope things are going well. Have you sold your house yet? Please check in when you can, I know you're busy these days. I hope we can give you some good ideas! I know you've been working hard on good nutrition. :-)Cyndi In a message dated 1/16/2007 9:49:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tressa1220 writes: Hello EveryoneI'm Terri from Central NJ and I just joined. I am currently swamped with organizing a move to Florida. I am interested in simplifying and am hoping to do a much better job at the new house so I wanted to join Cyndi's group. I can't wait to start reading all the posts and suggestions, etc that you all have. But since I've got a million and 3 things going on I probably won't be writing in much. But know that i am here and reading, just too busy to type a lot until we're settled in down there (probably in a few months - hopefully). I look forward to all of your ideas and suggestions.Terri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Terri, Welcome!Ellen LaFleche-Christian Lilac Hill Homestead / Vermont http://tinyurl.com/lpfaf It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 16, 2007 Hey, Terri...it's me, Celia!!! <waves hello> --Celia-- - Ellen Christian RealSimple Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:12 PM Re: [RealSimple] Hi All Hi Terri, Welcome! .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
