Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 >>>Martins further comments only too painfully remind me of past history and further developments with NAHA and the fact that they are still perhaps respected by the uninformed in spite of their many failings and deterioration. Anyone can explore NAHA here http://www.naha.org/index.html>>> Hang on you all!!! I am off vaca with Jim, just catching up. I resent negative judgemental comments on either org (as a member of both), especially from non members of either. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE for gathering, sharing, networking, and all the complaints you have about either can surely be addressed without attacking and derogatory comments. NAHA has come a long way since some folks left; and a lot of the earlier issues were changed long ago with the change of leadership as you should well know. Kelly Holland Azzarro has done a fabulous job first by listening and implementing a lot of new policies as VP, and now as President she is tightening up the educational approval requirements as well, and such things as advertisers/articles using the 'therareutic' notation for grading, etc. and anything resembling multi level companies, etc. I have continued on as Chair of the Safety committee, with input from Tony Burfield we have done a lot of good work, availible to public on undiluted use, etc; we are collecting data on injuries and the site hosts a ton of wonderful articles on all subjects, not to mention they are the continued single supporter spreading the word in support of the UAE (since 2001), their press releases produce results. Finally they are the clearing house for info, anyone seeking info on aromatherapy ends up on the site-we get a lot of interview requests, we answer a lot of questions, and do a lot of good. I don't want to argue about anything. I just want this on the record for the new people !! Sylla Sylla Sheppard-Hanger Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy 16018 Saddlestring Drive Tampa Florida 33618 USA www.AtlanticInstitute.com www.UnitedAromatherapy.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Hello Martin and all participants. This is been great . I start these topic never imagined that this will be such a controversial one. The discussion is at the most incredible for all sides. The best of all, everybody is making there points of view heard. My question will be, is any school at all good for you to learn something about aromatherapy? Is School of Natural Health Sciences in the UK good? They have classes thru the internet.. I live in San Antonio TX, and I want to learn. Somebody already ask about this, but , on less I missed it, nobody has an answer. I would love to have it. I know is not going to be easy, but with all of you I can have a better idea and chose what I think will be better. Thank you all again and thank you all for a great discussion and a better understanding of aromatherapy and all it context. Have a great day Claudia Schlebach. ATFE , " Sylla S. Hanger " <sylla wrote: > > >>>Martins further comments only too painfully remind me of past history and > further developments with NAHA and the fact that they are still perhaps > respected by the uninformed in spite of their many failings and > deterioration. Anyone can explore NAHA here http://www.naha.org/index.html>>> > > > Hang on you all!!! I am off vaca with Jim, just catching up. I resent negative judgemental comments on either org (as a member of both), especially from non members of either. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE for gathering, sharing, networking, and all the complaints you have about either can surely be addressed without attacking and derogatory comments. > > NAHA has come a long way since some folks left; and a lot of the earlier issues were changed long ago with the change of leadership as you should well know. Kelly Holland Azzarro has done a fabulous job first by listening and implementing a lot of new policies as VP, and now as President she is tightening up the educational approval requirements as well, and such things as advertisers/articles using the 'therareutic' notation for grading, etc. and anything resembling multi level companies, etc. I have continued on as Chair of the Safety committee, with input from Tony Burfield we have done a lot of good work, availible to public on undiluted use, etc; we are collecting data on injuries and the site hosts a ton of wonderful articles on all subjects, not to mention they are the continued single supporter spreading the word in support of the UAE (since 2001), their press releases produce results. Finally they are the clearing house for info, anyone seeking info on aromatherapy ends up on the site-we get a lot of interview requests, we answer a lot of questions, and do a lot of good. > > I don't want to argue about anything. I just want this on the record for the new people !! > > Sylla > Sylla Sheppard-Hanger > Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy > 16018 Saddlestring Drive > Tampa Florida 33618 USA > www.AtlanticInstitute.com > www.UnitedAromatherapy.org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hi Syl, Since I am no longer a member, I can only go by what I glean from the NAHA website and information presented to the public. The website still presents many concerns and questions. It appears as if NAHA is still failing to adhere to their own bylaws; still operate without having a lawful structure in place (incomplete board representation and officers), which makes them still in violation of their 501©3. If new policies have been implemented, they are not reflected in the by-laws, and certainly not reflected in active volunteer or committee work reported on the website. They have never publicly answered concerns in the petition (which you signed, btw) challenging their practices under the leadership of Jade Shutes. With a cursory glance at the safety information papers, I find this statement, " Historically, dating back to over 9000 years, essential oils have been blended into a carrier for topical use. " Patently untrue. And, " The more expensive an oil, the more risk of adulteration. " Simplistic, and not exactly accurate. Looking at the overall financial, program service and volunteer health, as well as misinformation that still exists on the website, it does appear to me as if the organization has deteriorated. If this is not true, then someone needs to update the website. I'd love to see the accumulated data on injuries; where is it? I think there might be several loyal At companies out here that might challenge that NAHA is the " only " supporter spreading the word about UAE. Because NAHA is positioned as the aromatherapy authority in the U.S. (because of longevity, not necessarily accomplishment), no wonder their press releases get attention. They have a well-developed press release mailing list. Being in this singular position, erroenous statements like those I found on their website are taken as gospel by an uneducated public. Whether NAHA completely deserves this position of high regard is still questioned because there appears to be no self-correcting from within from a public point of view. Of course this is judgmental. That is what happens when one examines and forms an opinion. Judgment happens every time you choose a pair of shoes. It is and has been a part of all civilized discourse and is generally the path to improving the status quo if factually substantiated information prevails. I don't think that anyone here is interested in simply bashing or arguing. Negative opinions can be countered with positive ones. If an open discussion here can help people determine better education choices and resources, then it will be fruitful. If it simply deteriorates into reactionary sound bites, then nothing will be gained. What would be helpful, Syl, since the Atlantic Institute is an approved school for levels I and II, would be a brief outline from you of the specific changes in educational requirements you have seen implemented by NAHA over the years that have improved and enhanced the quality of education you now provide. This would give people here critical substance to judge for themselves. Have fun on vacation. Be Well, Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence http://www.wingedseed.com <http://www.wingedseed.com/> http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com/> http://www.aromaconnection.org <http://www.aromaconnection.org/> " We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston Churchill _____ ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of Sylla S. Hanger Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:56 PM ATFE Re: Re - Now Educational Standards >>>Martins further comments only too painfully remind me of past history and further developments with NAHA and the fact that they are still perhaps respected by the uninformed in spite of their many failings and deterioration. Anyone can explore NAHA here http://www.naha. <http://www.naha.org/index.html> org/index.html>>> Hang on you all!!! I am off vaca with Jim, just catching up. I resent negative judgemental comments on either org (as a member of both), especially from non members of either. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE for gathering, sharing, networking, and all the complaints you have about either can surely be addressed without attacking and derogatory comments. NAHA has come a long way since some folks left; and a lot of the earlier issues were changed long ago with the change of leadership as you should well know. Kelly Holland Azzarro has done a fabulous job first by listening and implementing a lot of new policies as VP, and now as President she is tightening up the educational approval requirements as well, and such things as advertisers/articles using the 'therareutic' notation for grading, etc. and anything resembling multi level companies, etc. I have continued on as Chair of the Safety committee, with input from Tony Burfield we have done a lot of good work, availible to public on undiluted use, etc; we are collecting data on injuries and the site hosts a ton of wonderful articles on all subjects, not to mention they are the continued single supporter spreading the word in support of the UAE (since 2001), their press releases produce results. Finally they are the clearing house for info, anyone seeking info on aromatherapy ends up on the site-we get a lot of interview requests, we answer a lot of questions, and do a lot of good. I don't want to argue about anything. I just want this on the record for the new people !! Sylla Sylla Sheppard-Hanger Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy 16018 Saddlestring Drive Tampa Florida 33618 USA www.AtlanticInstitute.com www.UnitedAromatherapy.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hey Marcia some of this I am checking on and will reply later >am no longer a member, I can only go by what I glean from the NAHA website and information presented to the public. The website still presents many concerns and questions. It appears as if NAHA is still failing to adhere to their own bylaws; >> in what way? >>still operate without having a lawful structure in place (incomplete board representation and officers), which makes them still in violation of their 501©3. >> are we missing people or what does this mean?? >>If new policies have been implemented, they are not reflected in the by-laws, and certainly not reflected in active volunteer or committee work reported on the website. >>> checking on this for you >>They have never publicly answered concerns in the petition (which you signed, btw) challenging their practices under the leadership of Jade Shutes. >> Jade Shutes is long gone; I am pretty sure that will never be answered because there are no answers, no one knows exactly what went on there, I hardly remember, but do know yes I signed, I was fed up- at the time of the NC conference she refused to pay the hotel and it went onto my amex I was furious, you bet....but the petition has gone with Jade, and the new leadership has moved on to new things, thus ending some of the problem. >>>With a cursory glance at the safety information papers, I find this statement, " Historically, dating back to over 9000 years, essential oils have been blended into a carrier for topical use. " Patently untrue. And, " The more expensive an oil, the more risk of adulteration. " Simplistic, and not exactly accurate. >> OK can you point these out to me, we are slowly going thru all articles for things such as this....much of the site was put up before, so it takes time to get to everything, I am working now on oil profiles.... >>>Looking at the overall financial, program service and volunteer health, as well as misinformation that still exists on the website, it does appear to me as if the organization has deteriorated. If this is not true, then someone needs to update the website. I'd love to see the accumulated data on injuries; where is it?>>> A big paper is due to come out shortly, I am collaborating with a student on this. The data from the site form is scarce unfortunately- people are just finding it now a year or two later, but we get plenty thru the site itself, and phone calls from hysterical people having just had an undiluted massage or rain drop treatment......so the data will be up when we finish and I will announce or post here. >>>I think there might be several loyal At companies out here that might challenge that NAHA is the " only " supporter spreading the word about UAE.>>> I said the 'continuing support by an org " , not a company!! of course YOU are one of the main continuing companies supporting us and spreading the word. In the beginning in NY, Kelly was the first to get the word out and has continued to do so. <<Because NAHA is positioned as the aromatherapy authority in the U.S. (because of longevity, not necessarily accomplishment), no wonder their press releases get attention. They have a well-developed press release mailing list. Being in this singular position, erroneous statements like those I found on their website are taken as gospel by an uneducated public.>>> whatever that means, it is the educated public that responds to (to me at least) their mailing list....I can only speak for the UAE releases, I don't know what kind of response they get for other news. >>Whether NAHA completely deserves this position of high regard is still questioned because there appears to be no self-correcting from within from a public point of view. Of course this is judgmental. That is what happens when one examines and forms an opinion. Judgment happens every time you choose a pair of shoes. It is and has been a part of all civilized discourse and is generally the path to improving the status quo if factually substantiated information prevails.>> OK I will personally work on the self-correcting with some of these points- I cannot answer for all that happens with NAHA, I have forgotten or not been involved with parts, in addition I was recovering from cancer during some of the brouhaha and missed a lot. I have asked Kelly for input so may be able to answer some more for you. >>What would be helpful, Syl, since the Atlantic Institute is an approved school for levels I and II, would be a brief outline from you of the specific changes in educational requirements you have seen implemented by NAHA over the years that have improved and enhanced the quality of education you now provide. This would give people here critical substance to judge for themselves. >> OK first I did not agree with the beginning educational requirements: teaching anatomy and physiology is not part of my curriculum- teaching nurses and doctors I did not feel they needed it, and students can find their own source of that and not thru me, so my courses don't follow the curriculum exactly anyway! I do not count on approval from any org to sell my courses. I do know now that courses or articles have to be vetted to not include bogus claims ( I get consulted on this and other things a lot, Tony too has helped quite a bit). I have no requirements for students to purchase books, including mine; my course has scientific references and of course includes all Martins material- just kidding! but of course many know he was my main mentor long ago when writing my book! and I brought Plant Aromatics here to the USA long before anyone knew about e.o. safety, dubious claims, .....or Martin, gotta love him. ok more later Syl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 > A big paper is due to come out shortly, I am collaborating with a student on this. The data from the site form is scarce unfortunately- people are just finding it now a year or two later, but we get plenty thru the site itself, and phone calls from hysterical people having just had an undiluted massage or rain drop treatment......so the data will be up when we finish and I will announce or post here.< I've been trying to point the members of my discussion group to resources for the dangers of Raindrop Therapy and the Young Living company. It takes about 5 minutes on Google to realize that Young Living has done a spectacular job of search engine optomization as have their members on their individual websites; no matter what search terms you use...the web sites promoting this niche within the world of aromatherapy come up at the top. So one company has done more to promote their agenda than all the rest of the aromatherapists and essential oils companies combined. That is where I feel NAHA and all the other organizations have fallen short. One many years old White Paper is not enough. Press releases should be sent out saying that NAHA is collecting information on injuries, press releases should be sent out with updates on the quantity of reports, press releases should be sent out saying this student is working on a report, then of course press releases should be sent out once the actual report is done. Every NAHA member with a website or students should be required to make a statment against this Raindrop Therapy as a requirement of membership in NAHA. And on and on and on. Until this company and their dangerous practices, which risk both the future of the industry as well as risk the safety of many people, there should be no let up. The people who get sucked into this multi-level-marketing plan are clueless. They believe this is a gift from God, if you believe one of these quacks websites. Where are the articles about this in national magazines? Why does every massage licensing board not have this information available to give to every new massage therapist? Why is Dr. Oz on Oprah and/or Martha spreading misinformation about lavender EO in the ear for wax and not overwhelmed by a mass email or phone campaign from NAHA Members to retract this bad advice? I left NAHA back during the " drama years " and my career went into a different direction, and aromatherapy is just one of my many hobbies these days. But I still care and I still want the truth about Young Living to be in the hands of every person buying essential oils or laying down on the table for a massage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Thanks Sylla!  I too am a member of both organizations.  In my position as International Representative for AIA it is a priority to bring together aromatherapists and aromatherapy organizations to share information, research and experience for the sake of advancing aromatherapy. I don't see a need for all these walls and egos.  Lora --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Sylla S. Hanger <sylla wrote: Sylla S. Hanger <sylla Re: Re - Now Educational Standards ATFE Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:55 PM  >>>Martins further comments only too painfully remind me of past history and further developments with NAHA and the fact that they are still perhaps respected by the uninformed in spite of their many failings and deterioration. Anyone can explore NAHA here http://www.naha. org/index. html>>> Hang on you all!!! I am off vaca with Jim, just catching up. I resent negative judgemental comments on either org (as a member of both), especially from non members of either. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE for gathering, sharing, networking, and all the complaints you have about either can surely be addressed without attacking and derogatory comments. NAHA has come a long way since some folks left; and a lot of the earlier issues were changed long ago with the change of leadership as you should well know. Kelly Holland Azzarro has done a fabulous job first by listening and implementing a lot of new policies as VP, and now as President she is tightening up the educational approval requirements as well, and such things as advertisers/ articles using the 'therareutic' notation for grading, etc. and anything resembling multi level companies, etc. I have continued on as Chair of the Safety committee, with input from Tony Burfield we have done a lot of good work, availible to public on undiluted use, etc; we are collecting data on injuries and the site hosts a ton of wonderful articles on all subjects, not to mention they are the continued single supporter spreading the word in support of the UAE (since 2001), their press releases produce results. Finally they are the clearing house for info, anyone seeking info on aromatherapy ends up on the site-we get a lot of interview requests, we answer a lot of questions, and do a lot of good. I don't want to argue about anything. I just want this on the record for the new people !! Sylla Sylla Sheppard-Hanger Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy 16018 Saddlestring Drive Tampa Florida 33618 USA www.AtlanticInstitu te.com www.UnitedAromather apy.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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