THERE IS NO FDA THERAPEUTIC CERTIFICATION FOR ESSENTIAL OILS

[Guest guest]

It seems we have another multi-level marketing company from Utah attempting

to mislead potential customers and down liners.

 

http://tinyurl.com/ygwpf3g

 

Please feel free to copy the blogpost in its entirety (unedited) wherever

you see a need.

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com <http://www.wingedseed.com/>

http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com/>

http://www.aromaconnection.org <http://www.aromaconnection.org/>

" We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

Churchill

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It seems that you have taken a letter posted in the Natural Perfumery

group and reprinted it verbatim on your blog. You may regard this as

breaking news for your blog, but the DoTerra scam has been covered

exhaustively on the NP group since May, so this is not news. I'm sure

the members here on ATFE do need to know about it, but crediting the

source of your journalistic information would be ethical.

 

Lifting a private email from a private group is however, a violation of

TOS.

 

If anyone wishes to see the lively debunking chat, they are welcome to

read it on NP, or, of course, start it up here, where there are many

aromatherapists. However, you are not welcome to lift posts there and

claim them as your right to republish in your blogs. Thanks.

 

All my best,

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

on FB http://bit.ly/iamja

Guild on FB http://bit.ly/1jP5lB

 

 

 

 

Marcia Elston wrote:

> It seems we have another multi-level marketing company from Utah attempting

> to mislead potential customers and down liners.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ygwpf3g

>

> Please feel free to copy the blogpost in its entirety (unedited) wherever

> you see a need.

>

> Be Well,

> Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

> http://www.wingedseed.com <http://www.wingedseed.com/>

> http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com/>

> http://www.aromaconnection.org <http://www.aromaconnection.org/>

> " We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

> Churchill

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

FYI, Anya, and as you know, I have not been a member of the NP list for

quite some time. The email in question was forwarded to me directly by the

recipient. Perhaps you should be the one to verify facts before shooting

your mouth off.

 

I am sure no one here wants to get into the flame wars you are so capable of

starting. Get a life.

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com <http://www.wingedseed.com/>

http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com/>

http://www.aromaconnection.org <http://www.aromaconnection.org/>

" We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

Churchill

 

 

_____

 

ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of Anya's

Garden Perfumes

Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:40 PM

ATFE

Re: THERE IS NO FDA THERAPEUTIC CERTIFICATION FOR ESSENTIAL

OILS

 

 

 

 

It seems that you have taken a letter posted in the Natural Perfumery

group and reprinted it verbatim on your blog. You may regard this as

breaking news for your blog, but the DoTerra scam has been covered

exhaustively on the NP group since May, so this is not news. I'm sure

the members here on ATFE do need to know about it, but crediting the

source of your journalistic information would be ethical.

 

Lifting a private email from a private group is however, a violation of

TOS.

 

If anyone wishes to see the lively debunking chat, they are welcome to

read it on NP, or, of course, start it up here, where there are many

aromatherapists. However, you are not welcome to lift posts there and

claim them as your right to republish in your blogs. Thanks.

 

All my best,http://AnyasGarden. <> com

http://NaturalPerfu <http://NaturalPerfumers.com> mers.com

on FB http://bit.ly/ <http://bit.ly/iamja> iamja

Guild on FB http://bit.ly/ <http://bit.ly/1jP5lB> 1jP5lB

 

Marcia Elston wrote:

> It seems we have another multi-level marketing company from Utah

attempting

> to mislead potential customers and down liners.

>

> http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/ygwpf3g> com/ygwpf3g

>

> Please feel free to copy the blogpost in its entirety (unedited) wherever

> you see a need.

>

> Be Well,

> Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

> http://www.wingedse <http://www.wingedseed.com> ed.com

<http://www.wingedse <http://www.wingedseed.com/> ed.com/>

> http://www.wingedse <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com> ed.blogspot.com

<http://www.wingedse <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com/> ed.blogspot.com/>

 

> http://www.aromacon <http://www.aromaconnection.org> nection.org

<http://www.aromacon <http://www.aromaconnection.org/> nection.org/>

> " We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " -

Winston

> Churchill

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well said, Marcia!!!!!

I am so grateful for this forum and all the helpful information that

is shared.

Shared with compassion, helpfulness, and lack of ego.

Just simple kindness.

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for using EO's for High

Blood Pressure.

Alison

[Guest guest]

Hi Alison,

 

Thanks for your kind words.

 

Those essential oils that I know are not to be used with high blood pressure

include hyssop, rosemary, sage and thyme. I would imagine that perhaps

oregano (since its chemistry is close to oregano) might be included as well.

There are others, but they aren't in the tip of my brain at the moment.

 

Essential oils that can be beneficial (specifically in massage, however

probably helpful in a diffuser also) are, of course, lavender . . .

marjoram, melissa, rose. Again, there are others, but this is off the top

of my head.

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com <http://www.wingedseed.com/>

http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com/>

http://www.aromaconnection.org <http://www.aromaconnection.org/>

" We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

Churchill

 

 

 

 

_____

 

ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of Alison

Thornton

Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:20 PM

ATFE

Re: THERE IS NO FDA THERAPEUTIC CERTIFICATION FOR ESSENTIAL

OILS

 

 

 

 

Well said, Marcia!!!!!

I am so grateful for this forum and all the helpful information that

is shared.

Shared with compassion, helpfulness, and lack of ego.

Just simple kindness.

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for using EO's for High

Blood Pressure.

Alison

 

 

 

Reply <alisontt?subject=Re: THERE IS NO FDA

THERAPEUTIC CERTIFICATION FOR ESSENTIAL OILS> to sender | Reply

<ATFE ?subject=Re: THERE IS NO FDA THERAPEUTIC

CERTIFICATION FOR ESSENTIAL OILS> to group

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

She publicly stated you contacted her first.

 

The NP group has a history of the community chat there being taken off

group, sometimes by friends who mean well, other times by those who just

wish to use it. The NP group was the first to break this story. Why?

Because somebody was harvesting emails from there and spamming them from

DoTerra. Because the group is so big and chatty, it does attract those

types. End of story about the OP, too, please. She's a brand new member

of the NP group and I do not want her caught in the middle of this. She

has no idea about TOS, I'll wager.

 

Perhaps the owners of this group would feel the same if their member's

messages attracted outside notice. Word does have to be spread about

nefarious types like DoTerra, but there are ethical ways to do it - such

as contacting the group owner to ask permission. I would have given it,

and any journalist would cite the original source. Others have in the

past, and I have always given the OK.

 

All my best,

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

on FB http://bit.ly/iamja

Guild on FB http://bit.ly/1jP5lB

 

 

 

 

Marcia Elston wrote:

> FYI, Anya, and as you know, I have not been a member of the NP list for

> quite some time. The email in question was forwarded to me directly by the

> recipient.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Anya wrote .. " It seems that you have taken a letter posted in the Natural

Perfumery (blah blah blah....)

If anyone wishes to see the lively debunking chat, they are welcome to read it

on NP, or, of course, start it up here, where there are many

aromatherapists. >>

oh please, and how do you think we can possibly read such breaking news on you

lovely NP? So many of us here were rudely booted off by your thugs as you

regularly have them do so please don't say read it there for goodness sakes.

Anything on NP can just stay there far as I am concerned. If you have something

newsworthy bring it here, where there is a wider audience of much kinder people

who are interested in sharing and caring. I personally already knew about that,

having heard thru the grapevine over the summer, (no doubt off your list), but I

thank Marcia for the details and public accessibility, now we have some ammo to

fight with. The POINT of a list is to share info, I dont get why you feel you

have to own it all? Please don't try to intimidate folks anymore Anya,

especially the newbies who don't know your ways- we can all work and play

together nicely here, sharing info and fun. You bring such a venomous energy, I

am sorry you felt you had to rear your head again, things had been so nice

lately.

 

Lets all agree to Plork nicely (play and work combined, thanks to Robbi Zeck!)

 

Sylla

 

Sylla Sheppard-Hanger

Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy

16018 Saddlestring Drive

Tampa Florida 33618 USA

www.AtlanticInstitute.com

www.UnitedAromatherapy.org

 

 

 

.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sylla:

 

There are many readers who are on both groups. I do not bring every

topic related to AT here because frankly, I'm very busy, and I figure

others can do it if so inclined.

 

As for booting folks off the group, yes we do. Many of them are here or

one one or two other groups, under moderation for their hot tempers and

caustic comments. They might call it censorship, but they've never

managed a group, and have no experience in what is needed to keep the

group active and a true community. I believe the list mom here wrote a

note yesterday to 'be kind'. That's where it's at.

 

Also, over the years we have found that due to the large size of the

group, a focused market if you will, many just join for self-promotion,

or to harvest emails for spam. Others have stolen the email list (Stacy,

list mom, will remember the first incident in 2005, since she was the

first (of over 100+ angry members) to write me when she got spammed) and

otherwise used the NP group. Our members express happiness at the calm

and friendly atmosphere there, so we'll stick with our management

system. 1800+ souls can't be wrong, IMO.

 

So we've made enemies by holding a tight, ethical line on NP. <shrug>

Others praise us for it, sorry you feel the way you do, but the

democratic way is to let others decide for themselves.

 

All my best,

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

on FB http://bit.ly/iamja

Guild on FB http://bit.ly/1jP5lB

 

 

 

 

Sylla S. Hanger wrote:

> Anya wrote .. " It seems that you have taken a letter posted in the Natural

Perfumery (blah blah blah....)

> If anyone wishes to see the lively debunking chat, they are welcome to read

it on NP, or, of course, start it up here, where there are many

> aromatherapists. >>

> oh please, and how do you think we can possibly read such breaking news on

you lovely NP? So many of us here were rudely booted off by your thugs as you

regularly have them do so please don't say read it there for goodness sakes.

Anything on NP can just stay there far as I am concerned. If you have something

newsworthy bring it here, where there is a wider audience of much kinder people

who are interested in sharing and caring. I personally already knew about that,

having heard thru the grapevine over the summer, (no doubt off your list), but I

thank Marcia for the details and public accessibility, now we have some ammo to

fight with. The POINT of a list is to share info, I dont get why you feel you

have to own it all? Please don't try to intimidate folks anymore Anya,

especially the newbies who don't know your ways- we can all work and play

together nicely here, sharing info and fun. You bring such a venomous energy, I

am sorry you felt you had to rear your head again, things had been so nice

lately.

>

> Lets all agree to Plork nicely (play and work combined, thanks to Robbi

Zeck!)

>

> Sylla

>

> Sylla Sheppard-Hanger

> Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy

> 16018 Saddlestring Drive

> Tampa Florida 33618 USA

> www.AtlanticInstitute.com

> www.UnitedAromatherapy.org

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I apologize to Stacey and other listowners for the unexpected disruption

that this issue has brought to the ATFE list. And, I apologize to the

newcomers here who certainly have no dog in this fight. I agree with Sylla

that we've had a nice long period of calm and this current debacle is most

unwelcome.

 

So, do I just keep quiet and not defend myself from the public accusations

Anya has made? Not just here, but on other newsgroups and on her fb page.

This vitriolic discourse is loose and wild, broadly intimating aggressions

against her far beyond what might be required to resolve this particular

issue. Which could have been resolved, I believe, if she had simply asked

the people involved and hadn't been harboring her own personal axe to grind.

I see the scenario and progression of events that led to my blogpost very

differently than she does, and the facts will bear me out if allowed to be

presented. How do I demand that Anya allow a public discussion between the

two of us so that the true facts can be presented to everyone who has now

had only one side of the story? She has long been able to slander and defame

good people without providing a right to rebuttal.

 

As Sylla has pointed out, the NP list is NOT an open and democratic

discussion operated with the philosophy of openess and neutrality that

unofficially governs the internet. Anya has been unwilling to allow opinions

that might oppose her own to see the light of day there, let alone actually

become lively debate that might be healthy for members and for natural

perfumery as a whole. And, once she cloisters her group, she then allows

herself to slander and demean those she prevents from participating. This

is cowardice. She brings the same dictatorial leadership to the so-called

Perfumers Guild, and has removed members there for suggesting a more

democratic process such as would be found in a real Guild.

 

Anya, your accusations have now become actionable. The 'accusation' of

plagerism without warrant is actionable, since no such plagerism occurred.

If I were to pursue this, the veiled innuendoes of " mining " emails from the

NP list, " being against the Guild and NP " , " secrets, treachery, deceit " ,

" intrigue and chicanery " that are now flying out of your mouth like bats

from a suddenly lighted cave would no doubt be attached to any such legal

action because they are contained in sentences and phrases in which you

continue to escalate your slanderous talk about me, by name, some of which

is now going out to the world on newsfeeds. With regards to any inferred

infringement on 's list protocols, they would certainly be superceded

by federal copyright statutes regarding fair use. The internet was created

with the express intent that knowledge should be shared and by limiting

participation, censoring posts and attempting to define the terms of debate

that all others must follow, you are the one who is in violation of those

basic principles on your NP newgroup. And, you don't even see this, while

you wave your banner of defending democracy and fair play.

 

The venue for any debate between us would have to include all the places

this vitriol has now been spewed. Probably an impossibility. So where does

this leave me?

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com <http://www.wingedseed.com/>

http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com <http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com/>

http://www.aromaconnection.org <http://www.aromaconnection.org/>

" We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

Churchill

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of Anya's

Garden Perfumes

Friday, November 20, 2009 6:07 AM

ATFE

Re: THERE IS NO FDA THERAPEUTIC CERTIFICATION FOR ESSENTIAL

OILS

 

 

 

 

Dear Sylla:

 

There are many readers who are on both groups. I do not bring every

topic related to AT here because frankly, I'm very busy, and I figure

others can do it if so inclined.

 

As for booting folks off the group, yes we do. Many of them are here or

one one or two other groups, under moderation for their hot tempers and

caustic comments. They might call it censorship, but they've never

managed a group, and have no experience in what is needed to keep the

group active and a true community. I believe the list mom here wrote a

note yesterday to 'be kind'. That's where it's at.

 

Also, over the years we have found that due to the large size of the

group, a focused market if you will, many just join for self-promotion,

or to harvest emails for spam. Others have stolen the email list (Stacy,

list mom, will remember the first incident in 2005, since she was the

first (of over 100+ angry members) to write me when she got spammed) and

otherwise used the NP group. Our members express happiness at the calm

and friendly atmosphere there, so we'll stick with our management

system. 1800+ souls can't be wrong, IMO.

 

So we've made enemies by holding a tight, ethical line on NP. <shrug>

Others praise us for it, sorry you feel the way you do, but the

democratic way is to let others decide for themselves.

 

All my best,http://AnyasGarden. <> com

http://NaturalPerfu <http://NaturalPerfumers.com> mers.com

on FB http://bit.ly/ <http://bit.ly/iamja> iamja

Guild on FB http://bit.ly/ <http://bit.ly/1jP5lB> 1jP5lB

 

Sylla S. Hanger wrote:

> Anya wrote .. " It seems that you have taken a letter posted in the Natural

Perfumery (blah blah blah....)

> If anyone wishes to see the lively debunking chat, they are welcome to

read it on NP, or, of course, start it up here, where there are many

> aromatherapists. >>

> oh please, and how do you think we can possibly read such breaking news on

you lovely NP? So many of us here were rudely booted off by your thugs as

you regularly have them do so please don't say read it there for goodness

sakes. Anything on NP can just stay there far as I am concerned. If you have

something newsworthy bring it here, where there is a wider audience of much

kinder people who are interested in sharing and caring. I personally already

knew about that, having heard thru the grapevine over the summer, (no doubt

off your list), but I thank Marcia for the details and public accessibility,

now we have some ammo to fight with. The POINT of a list is to share info, I

dont get why you feel you have to own it all? Please don't try to intimidate

folks anymore Anya, especially the newbies who don't know your ways- we can

all work and play together nicely here, sharing info and fun. You bring such

a venomous energy, I am sorry you felt you had to rear your head again,

things had been so nice lately.

>

> Lets all agree to Plork nicely (play and work combined, thanks to Robbi

Zeck!)

>

> Sylla

>

> Sylla Sheppard-Hanger

> Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy

> 16018 Saddlestring Drive

> Tampa Florida 33618 USA

> www.AtlanticInstitute.com

> www.UnitedAromatherapy.org

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was going to keep my mouth shut on this issue. However. Marcia, there is

no point in trying to conduct a reasonable dialog , one cannot reason with

the unreasonable. I have cause to know this. The best you can do is to

ignore her and hope she just goes away. If what she says or does is

actionable and harms you or your business in any way, then sue her. At the

very least a cease and desist order might gag her in the future.

 

I never tried to get on her list. It was not a place that I wanted to be. I

had hoped that having her list and being able to " share her wisdom " with

others would keep her too busy to spout her vitriol at others, but it seems

she still has time on her hands. At least for those that she doesn't like.

You and a few others that I know of are on that personal mental list.

 

I am sorry that you are her present target. I would highly recommend that

you consult your lawyer, I definately think that you have a libel case for

defamation of character.

 

Again, I'm sorry you have to go through this.

K

--

Kathleen Petrides

Bead Hussy

http://www.BeadHussy.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I asked the OP, Marcia, as you instructed, and posted here the other

day. The poster contradicted your statement. I, and members of the NP

group are not happy with stuff being taken from there by theft or

subterfuge. She says you wrote her. You stated she wrote you. Blatant lie.

 

With the words you use in your post today, Marcia, I think we know where

all the anger lies. And if you think I'm able to dictate to 1800 people,

or the savvy members of any enterprise I'm involved in, well, you come

off rather odd. The only thing we monitor on the group is talk about

synthetics, angry outbursts and thievery. All those folks can't be

fooled, there are intelligent, caring wonderful folks there who have

been members for seven years and love the spirit there. I had lunch with

two of them today, a Doctor of Oriental Medicine and a Certified

Aromatherapist, and it was wonderful. Both Guild members, btw.

 

The only folks removed from the Guild were those who attacked other

Guild members, or who had a comped membership for helping with the NP

group, but that person stole the NP group email list to start an

enterprise that failed miserably. People know the truth, they sense it,

and they stayed away from her.

 

If you believe what I've said is actionable, well, I suppose the ball is

in your court.

 

Oh, and " mining " (a term you used here) was a word that Lisa Camasi used

to instruct people to join the group under false names, told them not to

contribute anything, but just " mine the group " for the vast amount of

information there.

 

This will be my last word on this on this group. The ones who were to be

expected to enter into the fray - which is not theirs - have. So be it.

I love my active, friendly group and will continue to protect our posts.

 

All my best,

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

on FB http://bit.ly/iamja

Guild on FB http://bit.ly/1jP5lB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Since my name is being taken in vain, and fabricated statements are being

wrongly attributed to me...

 

ATFE , Perfumes <anya wrote:...

> Oh, and " mining " (a term you used here) was a word that Lisa Camasi used

> to instruct people to join the group under false names, told them not to

> contribute anything, but just " mine the group " for the vast amount of

> information there.

 

I would like the opportunity to set the record straight - I did NOT 'instruct

people to join the group under false names' nor did I tell anyone 'not to

contribute anything' ... Here is *exactly* what I said, excerpted from a post

about Perfumery education that I made on August 12, 2007:

 

" - Regardless of the group(s) you join, once there, spend some time

digging through the archives. This will give you an idea of the range

of topics that have been discussed, answer lots of questions before

you have formed them, and will make the questions you do ask once you

join the discussion more specific and useful. Do this with any group

you join but especially one that has been around for a while or has

substantial archives - hell - join NP and mine those archives (if they

have not been deleted or selectively culled for the exclusive

reference of the owner.) The first couple years of posts on that

group are a wealth of information from some VERY talented and

accomplished perfumers (including industry professionals incognito)

who have long since moved on, weary of all the drama and politics that

can hijack the best of groups. "

 

You can read the entire message as originally posted on my group. Botanical

Perfumery:

 

Botanical_Perfumery/

(message # 3925)

 

Or, if you can read it here without having to join my group:

 

http://www.leparfumeurrebelle.com/lisa_camasi_education.html

 

It would be nice if those who make so much noise about accuracy and citing

sources would follow their own advice.

 

My thanks to the listowner(s) for allowing me to correct these unfortunate

inaccuracies.

 

Lisa

[Guest guest]

Sorry to jump in a bit late but had to get my say in on this. Many of you know

my feelings about the group NP as I have an article on the subject on my site.

The FACT is that this group is in the total control of one person Anya, along

with her jackbooted moderators. Due to that, one cannot assume that anything

posted on that group is accurate. They can and do delete anything they do not

like and I have evidence of that. You cannot assume that someone who feels they

should have a right of reply will get it. You cannot assume that anyone who

wishes to correct inaccuracies will be able to.

 

In my opinion, the group is mainly used as a marketing medium for a bunch of

amateurs fooling the public into thinking they are expert perfumers-far from it!

 

Martin Watt

http://www.aromamedical.com

http://www.aromamedical.org

 

ATFE , " scorchingbay " <lcamasi wrote:

>

> Since my name is being taken in vain, and fabricated statements are being

wrongly attributed to me...

>

> ATFE , Perfumes <anya@> wrote:...

> > Oh, and " mining " (a term you used here) was a word that Lisa Camasi used

> > to instruct people to join the group under false names, told them not to

> > contribute anything, but just " mine the group " for the vast amount of

> > information there.

>

> I would like the opportunity to set the record straight - I did NOT 'instruct

people to join the group under false names' nor did I tell anyone 'not to

contribute anything' ... Here is *exactly* what I said, excerpted from a post

about Perfumery education that I made on August 12, 2007:

>

> " - Regardless of the group(s) you join, once there, spend some time

> digging through the archives. This will give you an idea of the range

> of topics that have been discussed, answer lots of questions before

> you have formed them, and will make the questions you do ask once you

> join the discussion more specific and useful. Do this with any group

> you join but especially one that has been around for a while or has

> substantial archives - hell - join NP and mine those archives (if they

> have not been deleted or selectively culled for the exclusive

> reference of the owner.) The first couple years of posts on that

> group are a wealth of information from some VERY talented and

> accomplished perfumers (including industry professionals incognito)

> who have long since moved on, weary of all the drama and politics that

> can hijack the best of groups. "

>

> You can read the entire message as originally posted on my group. Botanical

Perfumery:

>

> Botanical_Perfumery/

> (message # 3925)

>

> Or, if you can read it here without having to join my group:

>

> http://www.leparfumeurrebelle.com/lisa_camasi_education.html

>

> It would be nice if those who make so much noise about accuracy and citing

sources would follow their own advice.

>

> My thanks to the listowner(s) for allowing me to correct these unfortunate

inaccuracies.

>

> Lisa

>

[Guest guest]

I was chatting casually with an acquaintance yesterday; in a career prior to

children she was with a medical equipt company (as in major screening equipt for

running various tests in hospys). Two comments of hers stood out when we were

talking about the email DoTerra's member services sent.

 

1) The FDA dislikes when their name is used in vain. She said several years

ago, even when you jumped through all their hoops to be listed with the FDA as

being in compliance, companies were not permitted to mention that in any way,

shape, or form. They've relaxed on that slightly, but the bold claim DoTerra

made about the FDA " providing " them with the label of CPTG is absolutely false.

The FDA certifies NOTHING, including pharmaceuticals. She said she was

surprised that somebody hadn't forwarded the email from DoTerra's member

services to the FDA. I surmised the general concern within non-allopathic

circles about having the FDA over-regulate EVERYTHING to no good end probably

keeps many from turning in such as these.

 

2) In their statement that all of their manufacturers must maintain a GMP

certification, my friend conceded that if the EOs were produced in CGMP

facilities then they would be medical grade oils.

 

It bears some further investigation on this second point, but their bold-faced

skewing of information regarding the origin of their CPTG label, and their MLM

nature, leave me continuing to be overly cynical. If/when I get around to

looking further into the GMP thing I'll post here.

 

Thanks again Marcia, and all, for helping all of us stay aware of what's going

on around us.

 

Jessica, NC

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Hi Jessica,

 

Thanks for your thanks. :-) Some here may be confused about your statement

2), however. Cosmetic manufacturers, even small business, while not

currently mandated by law to follow GMP, are strongly encouraged by the FDA

to follow GMP guidelines in manufacturing. All manufacturers, processors,

and packagers of drugs, medical devices, some food, and blood (in the U.S.)

are currently mandated by law to follow GMP, so GMP does not necessarily

only apply to drug manufacturing. You probably know this, but some here may

not. Since essential oils are usually produced by distillation at or close

to the place the botanicals are harvested (all over the world), it would be

an impossibility for the U.S. government to impose GMP standards for their

manufacture. When DoTERRA speaks of GMP, it is almost laughable that they

would think that the bottling process (since that is the only thing done to

essential oils once they are delivered to we importers to then sell to

individual customers) would qualify in assuring that they are then

considered medical grade. There are a litany of factors that apply to

essential oils that are considered to be suitable for aromatherapy or

integrative medicine, none of which can be addressed by GMP certification of

the bottling plant. Let me clarify that bottling is the only thing a

reputable dealer would do; we all know that others not so scrupulous might

add or dilute something not intended in a pure essential oil.

 

To make our lives even more difficult, there is now a consideration to

mandate GMP for all cosmetic and beauty manufacturers in the FDA

Globilization bill still in committee. This would not apply to essential

oils themselves for the reasons I've stated above, but it would apply to the

products in which essential oils might be used and the manufacturing

facilities those products are made in. Donna Maria Coles Johnson and other

business members of the IndieBeauty Network are meeting with members of

Congress again (they've already had some impact that will give some

protection to small cosmetic companies with regard to unaffordable product

registration fees under that bill should it have been passed in it's

original form.) This second trip will include another meeting with the

members of the House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce in

Congress who are responsible for the final draft of the bill, but will

include meeting with folks at CIR (Cosmetics Ingredient Review

http://www.cir-safety.org/)established by Cosmetic, Toiletry, and Fragrance

Association, (now the Personal Care Products Council) who are currently

considered the authority when it comes to cosmetic ingredient manufacturing

safety. Without small business cosmetic industry advocacy such as that that

Donna Maria organizes, there could be draconian laws that would shut down

every small soap maker working out of their kitchen.

 

Here's a good site to familiarize yourself with cGMP if you have an

aromatherapy products business or are thinking of starting one.

http://www.gmp1st.com/gmp.htm

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com

http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com

http://www.aromaconnection.org

" We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

Churchill

 

 

 

 

ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of

familymassage

Monday, November 23, 2009 4:36 AM

ATFE

Re: Re: THERE IS NO FDA THERAPEUTIC CERTIFICATION FOR

ESSENTIAL OILS

 

I was chatting casually with an acquaintance yesterday; in a career prior to

children she was with a medical equipt company (as in major screening equipt

for running various tests in hospys). Two comments of hers stood out when

we were talking about the email DoTerra's member services sent.

 

1) The FDA dislikes when their name is used in vain. She said several years

ago, even when you jumped through all their hoops to be listed with the FDA

as being in compliance, companies were not permitted to mention that in any

way, shape, or form. They've relaxed on that slightly, but the bold claim

DoTerra made about the FDA " providing " them with the label of CPTG is

absolutely false. The FDA certifies NOTHING, including pharmaceuticals.

She said she was surprised that somebody hadn't forwarded the email from

DoTerra's member services to the FDA. I surmised the general concern within

non-allopathic circles about having the FDA over-regulate EVERYTHING to no

good end probably keeps many from turning in such as these.

 

2) In their statement that all of their manufacturers must maintain a GMP

certification, my friend conceded that if the EOs were produced in CGMP

facilities then they would be medical grade oils.

 

It bears some further investigation on this second point, but their

bold-faced skewing of information regarding the origin of their CPTG label,

and their MLM nature, leave me continuing to be overly cynical. If/when I

get around to looking further into the GMP thing I'll post here.

 

Thanks again Marcia, and all, for helping all of us stay aware of what's

going on around us.

 

Jessica, NC

Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed

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Wait until REACH gets into the equation..... <vbg>

 

If anyone followed what I said 8-9 years ago, they'll understand.

 

-= CB =-

 

 

[Guest guest]

LOL, yes they are REACHing from across the pond, aren't they Chris? :-)

Here's the website for those of you not familiar.

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/chemicals/reach/reach_intro.htm

 

Tony Burfield has reported on aromaconnection and his own website,

cropwatch, fairly extensively on REACH. I haven't read the FDA

Globilization Act in its entirety, but there is an attempt to 'harmonize'

with the EU on this.

 

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com

http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com

http://www.aromaconnection.org

" We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

Churchill

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

 

ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of -=

Chris =-

Monday, November 23, 2009 2:01 PM

ATFE

Re: THERE IS NO FDA THERAPEUTIC CERTIFICATION FOR ESSENTIAL

OILS

 

 

 

 

Wait until REACH gets into the equation..... <vbg>

 

If anyone followed what I said 8-9 years ago, they'll understand.

 

-= CB =-

[Guest guest]

ATFE , Perfumes <anya wrote:

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> I asked the OP, Marcia, as you instructed, and posted here the other day. The

poster contradicted your statement. I, and members of the NP group are not happy

with stuff being taken from there by theft or subterfuge. She says you wrote

her. You stated she wrote you. Blatant lie.<

 

Oh Anya...one would think that as a group owner, you would know that the posts

are something one can go back and refer to. I did not read anything close to

what you claim was written.

 

You accused Marcia of violating the Terms of Service by quoting something

from your group. Marcia wrote:

 

" The email in question was forwarded to me directly by the

recipient. Perhaps you should be the one to verify facts before shooting

your mouth off. "

 

Marcia never said anything about who wrote to whom and in what order. She

simply said that what she quoted was directly from an email sent to her.

 

You have a well-documented problem with reading with understanding, then going

off the deep end. Perhaps you need a bit of aromatherapy ando not

perfume...because something in your life really is not working in your favor.

 

Marcia, on the other hand, has a well-known reputation as being one of the most

well-respected people in the aromatherapy industry; her professionalism and

personality, admired and valued.

 

Marcia...you don't need to defend yourself against this individual...anyone who

has been " around " for even a short time in the aromatherapy circles knows the

score!!

 

Blessed Be, Sue