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I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The

doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in

terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice.

 

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personally nothing. Until a baby cuts teeth, it's digestion is not ready for

solids, the showing of teeth indicates this naturally. Is the baby not getting

enough nutrition thru mothers milk?

What was the docs reasoning for recommending this?

 

himaliv <himaliv wrote:

 

I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The

doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in

terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

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There is no problem with the baby or baby's weight. Doctor just said

it might help her sleep through the night - because she is waking up

after every two hours in the night.

 

Thanks

 

 

ayurveda , Rebecca Vann

<star_seed111> wrote:

> personally nothing. Until a baby cuts teeth, it's digestion is not

ready for solids, the showing of teeth indicates this naturally. Is

the baby not getting enough nutrition thru mothers milk?

> What was the docs reasoning for recommending this?

>

> himaliv <himaliv> wrote:

>

> I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The

> doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in

> terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

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It is too early to introduce solids if she is mostly nursing. If she is

getting mostly formula I can see giving her solids sooner. There are better

ways though, too increase weight gain if that is the problem. Attached is my

handout for starting solids. I would love some feedback from Martha or

others about my handout. I'm sure you have answers to my western opinions.

Though mine is an improvement over most conventional doctors. Vicky

 

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himaliv

02/15/05 11:18:06

ayurveda

Starting solids - infants

 

 

I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The

doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in

terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Starting her on solids will not solve the sleep problem. Your ped feels

helpless because this is a complicated problem so he took the easy way out,

but it won't work. Babies sleep longer at night when their brains are

chemically ready. You can do one thing though: babies do one long stretch of

sleeping in every 24 hour period, make sure that happens at night rather

than in the afternoon by waking her up to nurse every 3 hours, don't let her

go longer than 3 hours between feedings during the day. Also let her finish

off one breast completely before offering her the other breast to make sure

she gets all the hindmilk with the fat in it to satiate her better. Vicky

 

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himaliv

02/15/05 19:12:00

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

 

There is no problem with the baby or baby's weight. Doctor just said

it might help her sleep through the night - because she is waking up

after every two hours in the night.

 

Thanks

 

 

ayurveda , Rebecca Vann

<star_seed111> wrote:

> personally nothing. Until a baby cuts teeth, it's digestion is not

ready for solids, the showing of teeth indicates this naturally. Is

the baby not getting enough nutrition thru mothers milk?

> What was the docs reasoning for recommending this?

>

> himaliv <himaliv> wrote:

>

> I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The

> doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in

> terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your

docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love

to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If

I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing

6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

 

So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking

of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering

the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

(rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

 

I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin

and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir

also? Do include this in your diet.

 

And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had

known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and

depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus.

Does this sound like it might help?

 

Martha

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okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book

 

-always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile

-canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result is

not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion tend to

accumulate in the tissues (ama).

-Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy or

seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick with

what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not only taste

good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive system.

 

AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES

-4 cups cream top organic whole milk

-1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom

-1slice fresh ginger

-4cups distilled water

- 1 tablespoon fennel seed

- 1/2 cup succanat

 

Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each

serving.

 

RICE MILK FORMULA

*straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby

- 1/2 gallon rice milk

- 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules

- 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals

- 4 heaping tsp succanat

- 1 Tbs flax oil

- 350 mg Calcium citrate

- 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder

- Liquid vitamin for infants

- Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting

 

warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice milk

with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and primadophilis.

Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a glass 1/2 gallon

container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid vitamins and the

optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for optimal digestion.

 

GOAT MILK

*this ones from Rebecca!

Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of water)

Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk.

Warm at each serving for baby.

 

 

Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make the

decisions that best fit you and your little one.

Many blessings.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

 

Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your

docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love

to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If

I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing

6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

 

So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking

of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering

the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

(rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

 

I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin

and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir

also? Do include this in your diet.

 

And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had

known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and

depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus.

Does this sound like it might help?

 

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what

dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky

 

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Rebecca Vann

02/17/05 20:14:19

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book

 

-always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile

-canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result

is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion

tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama).

-Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy

or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick

with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not

only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive

system.

 

AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES

-4 cups cream top organic whole milk

-1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom

-1slice fresh ginger

-4cups distilled water

- 1 tablespoon fennel seed

- 1/2 cup succanat

 

Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each

serving.

 

RICE MILK FORMULA

*straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby

- 1/2 gallon rice milk

- 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules

- 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals

- 4 heaping tsp succanat

- 1 Tbs flax oil

- 350 mg Calcium citrate

- 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder

- Liquid vitamin for infants

- Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting

 

warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice

milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and

primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a

glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid

vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for

optimal digestion.

 

GOAT MILK

*this ones from Rebecca!

Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of

water)

Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk.

Warm at each serving for baby.

 

 

Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make

the decisions that best fit you and your little one.

Many blessings.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

 

Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your

docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love

to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If

I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing

6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

 

So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking

of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering

the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

(rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

 

I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin

and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir

also? Do include this in your diet.

 

And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had

known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and

depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus.

Does this sound like it might help?

 

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same bases

that his do.

I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we had

it.

I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the

nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr.

Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he

specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your young

baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk)

His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link.

Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a healthy

decision for the baby.

Bless

Rebecca

 

Vicky York <vmyork wrote:

You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what

dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky

 

----

 

Rebecca Vann

02/17/05 20:14:19

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book

 

-always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile

-canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result

is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion

tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama).

-Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy

or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick

with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not

only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive

system.

 

AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES

-4 cups cream top organic whole milk

-1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom

-1slice fresh ginger

-4cups distilled water

- 1 tablespoon fennel seed

- 1/2 cup succanat

 

Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each

serving.

 

RICE MILK FORMULA

*straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby

- 1/2 gallon rice milk

- 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules

- 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals

- 4 heaping tsp succanat

- 1 Tbs flax oil

- 350 mg Calcium citrate

- 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder

- Liquid vitamin for infants

- Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting

 

warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice

milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and

primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a

glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid

vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for

optimal digestion.

 

GOAT MILK

*this ones from Rebecca!

Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of

water)

Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk.

Warm at each serving for baby.

 

 

Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make

the decisions that best fit you and your little one.

Many blessings.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

 

Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your

docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love

to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If

I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing

6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

 

So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking

of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering

the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

(rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

 

I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin

and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir

also? Do include this in your diet.

 

And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had

known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and

depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus.

Does this sound like it might help?

 

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Also, make sure the goat milk is diluted enough. It puts a high solute load

on the baby's kidnesy, otherwise. How much I don't know. I wonder what

Naturopathic doctors say about formula ingredients. Before I gave this to a

baby as a steady diet I would want to know everything that is known out

there. Vicky

 

----

 

Rebecca Vann

02/18/05 06:27:56

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same

bases that his do.

I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we

had it.

I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the

nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr.

Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he

specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your

young baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk)

His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link.

Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a

healthy decision for the baby.

Bless

Rebecca

 

Vicky York <vmyork wrote:

You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what

dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky

 

----

 

Rebecca Vann

02/17/05 20:14:19

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book

 

-always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile

-canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result

is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion

tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama).

-Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy

or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick

with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not

only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive

system.

 

AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES

-4 cups cream top organic whole milk

-1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom

-1slice fresh ginger

-4cups distilled water

- 1 tablespoon fennel seed

- 1/2 cup succanat

 

Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each

serving.

 

RICE MILK FORMULA

*straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby

- 1/2 gallon rice milk

- 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules

- 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals

- 4 heaping tsp succanat

- 1 Tbs flax oil

- 350 mg Calcium citrate

- 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder

- Liquid vitamin for infants

- Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting

 

warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice

milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and

primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a

glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid

vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for

optimal digestion.

 

GOAT MILK

*this ones from Rebecca!

Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of

water)

Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk.

Warm at each serving for baby.

 

 

Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make

the decisions that best fit you and your little one.

Many blessings.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

 

Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your

docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love

to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If

I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing

6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

 

So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking

of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering

the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

(rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

 

I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin

and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir

also? Do include this in your diet.

 

And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had

known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and

depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus.

Does this sound like it might help?

 

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yea the recipie is for 1/4 nettle tea and 3/4 goat milk, would you say to dilute

it further?

 

 

 

 

Vicky York <vmyork wrote:

Also, make sure the goat milk is diluted enough. It puts a high solute load

on the baby's kidnesy, otherwise. How much I don't know. I wonder what

Naturopathic doctors say about formula ingredients. Before I gave this to a

baby as a steady diet I would want to know everything that is known out

there. Vicky

 

----

 

Rebecca Vann

02/18/05 06:27:56

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same

bases that his do.

I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we

had it.

I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the

nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr.

Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he

specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your

young baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk)

His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link.

Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a

healthy decision for the baby.

Bless

Rebecca

 

Vicky York <vmyork wrote:

You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what

dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky

 

----

 

Rebecca Vann

02/17/05 20:14:19

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book

 

-always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile

-canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result

is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion

tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama).

-Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy

or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick

with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not

only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive

system.

 

AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES

-4 cups cream top organic whole milk

-1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom

-1slice fresh ginger

-4cups distilled water

- 1 tablespoon fennel seed

- 1/2 cup succanat

 

Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each

serving.

 

RICE MILK FORMULA

*straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby

- 1/2 gallon rice milk

- 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules

- 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals

- 4 heaping tsp succanat

- 1 Tbs flax oil

- 350 mg Calcium citrate

- 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder

- Liquid vitamin for infants

- Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting

 

warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice

milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and

primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a

glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid

vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for

optimal digestion.

 

GOAT MILK

*this ones from Rebecca!

Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of

water)

Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk.

Warm at each serving for baby.

 

 

Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make

the decisions that best fit you and your little one.

Many blessings.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

 

Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your

docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love

to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If

I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing

6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

 

So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking

of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering

the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

(rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

 

I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin

and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir

also? Do include this in your diet.

 

And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had

known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and

depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus.

Does this sound like it might help?

 

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't know how much it needs to be diluted, that's what I wish I knew. V

 

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Rebecca Vann

02/18/05 12:54:33

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

yea the recipie is for 1/4 nettle tea and 3/4 goat milk, would you say to

dilute it further?

 

 

 

 

Vicky York <vmyork wrote:

Also, make sure the goat milk is diluted enough. It puts a high solute load

on the baby's kidnesy, otherwise. How much I don't know. I wonder what

Naturopathic doctors say about formula ingredients. Before I gave this to a

baby as a steady diet I would want to know everything that is known out

there. Vicky

 

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Rebecca Vann

02/18/05 06:27:56

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same

bases that his do.

I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we

had it.

I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the

nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr.

Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he

specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your

young baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk)

His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link.

Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a

healthy decision for the baby.

Bless

Rebecca

 

Vicky York <vmyork wrote:

You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what

dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky

 

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Rebecca Vann

02/17/05 20:14:19

ayurveda

Re: Starting solids - infants

 

okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book

 

-always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile

-canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result

is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion

tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama).

-Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy

or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick

with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not

only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive

system.

 

AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES

-4 cups cream top organic whole milk

-1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom

-1slice fresh ginger

-4cups distilled water

- 1 tablespoon fennel seed

- 1/2 cup succanat

 

Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each

serving.

 

RICE MILK FORMULA

*straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby

- 1/2 gallon rice milk

- 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules

- 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals

- 4 heaping tsp succanat

- 1 Tbs flax oil

- 350 mg Calcium citrate

- 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder

- Liquid vitamin for infants

- Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting

 

warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice

milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and

primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a

glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid

vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for

optimal digestion.

 

GOAT MILK

*this ones from Rebecca!

Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of

water)

Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk.

Warm at each serving for baby.

 

 

Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make

the decisions that best fit you and your little one.

Many blessings.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

 

Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your

docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love

to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If

I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing

6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

 

So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking

of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering

the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

(rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

 

I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin

and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir

also? Do include this in your diet.

 

And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had

known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and

depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus.

Does this sound like it might help?

 

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you Martha and everyone. Yes, it has been 4 months, time is

just flying by. I plan to nurse for atleast a year.

 

I will try to find those herbs, if not I will contact you Martha.

 

About the other recipes can I give those now or after 6 months. The

first recipe talks about succanet - where do I get that?

 

 

Thanks again.

 

Himali

 

ayurveda , " Martha Oakes "

<martha@s...> wrote:

>

> Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca;

> Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning

your

> docs advice and asking a few wisewomen :) Vicki, I think

> removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you

> have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course

love

> to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and

If

> I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston

doing

> 6 days care for Adrienne :) she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born

> on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water.

>

> So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the

> training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca.

Speaking

> of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at

answering

> the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first

> (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why?

>

> I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some

> wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some

fennel/cumin

> and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural

> sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and

> quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat

panir

> also? Do include this in your diet.

>

> And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep

> feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self

> massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own

> responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way

> underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I

had

> known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies

> nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile

and

> depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food

focus.

> Does this sound like it might help?

>

> Martha

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Dear Himali and all;

Very interesting discussions in my absence! It is so much easier to

just get you on some supportive herbs than to make formula!!!!! Be

sure to keep your life simple especially during those growth spurts,

when all these things help a lot - Ayurveda recommends herbs to make

the growth spurts a smoother transition. do your self-massage/hot

soak in bath, and take your hot milk tonic at night/am with some

blanched almonds and saffron/cardamon. Re herbs, BTW, I still charge

about 1/4 of what the time/herb value is worth, jsut to get peopole on

them when needed, so you will save much money if you want me to put

together some for you. Buying them in bulk I go to

www.banyanbotanicals.com, best prices I've found. We get a better

price if you are a health practitioner and make 40 dollar minimum

order, easy to do if you buy the minimum 1/2 pound bags. Powdered

rather than capsules is better effectiveness,starts as soon as the

taste hits the body receptors.

 

Succanat, or rapadura is more reliable quality - is available in

probably any health food store. Alternative you may be able to use

the REALLY dark jaggery (not yellow) but I think this will curdle the

milk, haven't tried it but it is very high mineral (Indian stores, for

those who don't know it is their sugar name). This recipe --- again,

I would build your supply as first choice, but I know when the first

tooth, saliva and strong desire for foods is there, you can use the

succanat recipe in a kheer (milk/basmati rice pudding) for the

ceremonial first feeding etc. Before that I would be giving boiled

rice water (16 part water 1 rice, just give the liquid and see how

Baby handles for several days before adding the mushed rice with a

little ghee), then start just boled split mung same way, pinch

turmeric/cumin/salt/ghee after few days ... ONE THING AT A TIME added,

then when ready some vegetables like okra, asparagus, zucchini (not

sweet things first).

 

Please see separate post in response to the discussion of other

formula options.

 

Blessings! I'm back in town - let me know if you want some herbal

support. 352 378-3660.

Martha

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" Vicky York " <vmyork@s...> wrote:

> I don't know how much it needs to be diluted, that's what I wish I

knew. V

 

Hi All -

The ayurvedic dairy formula was created by a woman MD in california

who is also an ayurvedic physician. I know of some it has worked

great for even from the beginning, then less water and succanat as

they get older. And I had a client who did not have access to cream

top unhomoginized milk, and the baby did worse than with formula we

could get (tongue tie situation, SNS support for part formula

feedings). Now my rec would be to buy skim milk and add the cream

back in, though I SO RARELY have to deal with this discussion, I

haven't much experience. I'm sorry I don't know the docs name, would

love to continue the conversaiton with her, but the formulas REbecca

posted from my training handbook are not just " homemade " formulas by

someone who thought they might work. The goat - nettle formula -

perhaps ok for older babies but I would be cautious about other

nutritional needs there, especially in the fats category.

 

See the files for my commentary on Dr. Mercola's page on the subject,

where I can hopefully keep the commentary color coding. I respect him

greatlty for the service and valuable info he offers, but I also take

it with more than a grain of salt so to speak due to my ayurvedic

background, and consider ongoing discussion a great opportunity for us

all to learn.

Namaste!

Martha

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