Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 personally nothing. Until a baby cuts teeth, it's digestion is not ready for solids, the showing of teeth indicates this naturally. Is the baby not getting enough nutrition thru mothers milk? What was the docs reasoning for recommending this? himaliv <himaliv wrote: I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 There is no problem with the baby or baby's weight. Doctor just said it might help her sleep through the night - because she is waking up after every two hours in the night. Thanks ayurveda , Rebecca Vann <star_seed111> wrote: > personally nothing. Until a baby cuts teeth, it's digestion is not ready for solids, the showing of teeth indicates this naturally. Is the baby not getting enough nutrition thru mothers milk? > What was the docs reasoning for recommending this? > > himaliv <himaliv> wrote: > > I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The > doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in > terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice. > > Thanks > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 It is too early to introduce solids if she is mostly nursing. If she is getting mostly formula I can see giving her solids sooner. There are better ways though, too increase weight gain if that is the problem. Attached is my handout for starting solids. I would love some feedback from Martha or others about my handout. I'm sure you have answers to my western opinions. Though mine is an improvement over most conventional doctors. Vicky ---- himaliv 02/15/05 11:18:06 ayurveda Starting solids - infants I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Starting her on solids will not solve the sleep problem. Your ped feels helpless because this is a complicated problem so he took the easy way out, but it won't work. Babies sleep longer at night when their brains are chemically ready. You can do one thing though: babies do one long stretch of sleeping in every 24 hour period, make sure that happens at night rather than in the afternoon by waking her up to nurse every 3 hours, don't let her go longer than 3 hours between feedings during the day. Also let her finish off one breast completely before offering her the other breast to make sure she gets all the hindmilk with the fat in it to satiate her better. Vicky ---- himaliv 02/15/05 19:12:00 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants There is no problem with the baby or baby's weight. Doctor just said it might help her sleep through the night - because she is waking up after every two hours in the night. Thanks ayurveda , Rebecca Vann <star_seed111> wrote: > personally nothing. Until a baby cuts teeth, it's digestion is not ready for solids, the showing of teeth indicates this naturally. Is the baby not getting enough nutrition thru mothers milk? > What was the docs reasoning for recommending this? > > himaliv <himaliv> wrote: > > I have a 4 month old girl and she is mainly nursed right now. The > doctor has asked me to start solids, but what do you recommend in > terms of giving solids to infants. Please advice. > > Thanks > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir also? Do include this in your diet. And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. Does this sound like it might help? Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book -always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile -canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama). -Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive system. AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES -4 cups cream top organic whole milk -1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom -1slice fresh ginger -4cups distilled water - 1 tablespoon fennel seed - 1/2 cup succanat Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each serving. RICE MILK FORMULA *straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby - 1/2 gallon rice milk - 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules - 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals - 4 heaping tsp succanat - 1 Tbs flax oil - 350 mg Calcium citrate - 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder - Liquid vitamin for infants - Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for optimal digestion. GOAT MILK *this ones from Rebecca! Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of water) Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk. Warm at each serving for baby. Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make the decisions that best fit you and your little one. Many blessings. Rebecca Martha Oakes <martha wrote: Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir also? Do include this in your diet. And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. Does this sound like it might help? Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/17/05 20:14:19 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book -always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile -canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama). -Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive system. AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES -4 cups cream top organic whole milk -1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom -1slice fresh ginger -4cups distilled water - 1 tablespoon fennel seed - 1/2 cup succanat Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each serving. RICE MILK FORMULA *straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby - 1/2 gallon rice milk - 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules - 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals - 4 heaping tsp succanat - 1 Tbs flax oil - 350 mg Calcium citrate - 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder - Liquid vitamin for infants - Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for optimal digestion. GOAT MILK *this ones from Rebecca! Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of water) Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk. Warm at each serving for baby. Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make the decisions that best fit you and your little one. Many blessings. Rebecca Martha Oakes <martha wrote: Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir also? Do include this in your diet. And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. Does this sound like it might help? Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same bases that his do. I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we had it. I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr. Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your young baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk) His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link. Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a healthy decision for the baby. Bless Rebecca Vicky York <vmyork wrote: You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/17/05 20:14:19 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book -always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile -canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama). -Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive system. AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES -4 cups cream top organic whole milk -1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom -1slice fresh ginger -4cups distilled water - 1 tablespoon fennel seed - 1/2 cup succanat Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each serving. RICE MILK FORMULA *straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby - 1/2 gallon rice milk - 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules - 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals - 4 heaping tsp succanat - 1 Tbs flax oil - 350 mg Calcium citrate - 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder - Liquid vitamin for infants - Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for optimal digestion. GOAT MILK *this ones from Rebecca! Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of water) Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk. Warm at each serving for baby. Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make the decisions that best fit you and your little one. Many blessings. Rebecca Martha Oakes <martha wrote: Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir also? Do include this in your diet. And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. Does this sound like it might help? Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Also, make sure the goat milk is diluted enough. It puts a high solute load on the baby's kidnesy, otherwise. How much I don't know. I wonder what Naturopathic doctors say about formula ingredients. Before I gave this to a baby as a steady diet I would want to know everything that is known out there. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/18/05 06:27:56 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same bases that his do. I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we had it. I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr. Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your young baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk) His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link. Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a healthy decision for the baby. Bless Rebecca Vicky York <vmyork wrote: You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/17/05 20:14:19 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book -always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile -canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama). -Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive system. AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES -4 cups cream top organic whole milk -1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom -1slice fresh ginger -4cups distilled water - 1 tablespoon fennel seed - 1/2 cup succanat Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each serving. RICE MILK FORMULA *straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby - 1/2 gallon rice milk - 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules - 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals - 4 heaping tsp succanat - 1 Tbs flax oil - 350 mg Calcium citrate - 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder - Liquid vitamin for infants - Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for optimal digestion. GOAT MILK *this ones from Rebecca! Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of water) Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk. Warm at each serving for baby. Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make the decisions that best fit you and your little one. Many blessings. Rebecca Martha Oakes <martha wrote: Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir also? Do include this in your diet. And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. Does this sound like it might help? Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 yea the recipie is for 1/4 nettle tea and 3/4 goat milk, would you say to dilute it further? Vicky York <vmyork wrote: Also, make sure the goat milk is diluted enough. It puts a high solute load on the baby's kidnesy, otherwise. How much I don't know. I wonder what Naturopathic doctors say about formula ingredients. Before I gave this to a baby as a steady diet I would want to know everything that is known out there. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/18/05 06:27:56 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same bases that his do. I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we had it. I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr. Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your young baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk) His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link. Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a healthy decision for the baby. Bless Rebecca Vicky York <vmyork wrote: You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/17/05 20:14:19 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book -always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile -canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama). -Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive system. AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES -4 cups cream top organic whole milk -1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom -1slice fresh ginger -4cups distilled water - 1 tablespoon fennel seed - 1/2 cup succanat Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each serving. RICE MILK FORMULA *straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby - 1/2 gallon rice milk - 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules - 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals - 4 heaping tsp succanat - 1 Tbs flax oil - 350 mg Calcium citrate - 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder - Liquid vitamin for infants - Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for optimal digestion. GOAT MILK *this ones from Rebecca! Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of water) Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk. Warm at each serving for baby. Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make the decisions that best fit you and your little one. Many blessings. Rebecca Martha Oakes <martha wrote: Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir also? Do include this in your diet. And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. Does this sound like it might help? Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 I don't know how much it needs to be diluted, that's what I wish I knew. V ---- Rebecca Vann 02/18/05 12:54:33 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants yea the recipie is for 1/4 nettle tea and 3/4 goat milk, would you say to dilute it further? Vicky York <vmyork wrote: Also, make sure the goat milk is diluted enough. It puts a high solute load on the baby's kidnesy, otherwise. How much I don't know. I wonder what Naturopathic doctors say about formula ingredients. Before I gave this to a baby as a steady diet I would want to know everything that is known out there. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/18/05 06:27:56 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants from checking that out it seems that marthas recipies cover all the same bases that his do. I have not ever used these but she asked that one of us post the info if we had it. I know several people that for various reasons could no longer nurse and the nettle goat milk is how they nourished their babies. It appears that Dr. Mercola advises that also. The nettles adds the missing nutrients that he specifically mentioned were lacking in goat milk, with out feeding your young baby chicken liver (was that what he said to add??? yuk) His recipies were also obviously good ones, thanks for the link. Again hopefully Himaliv is empowered with all these options to make a healthy decision for the baby. Bless Rebecca Vicky York <vmyork wrote: You might want to go to www.mercola.com/2000/oct/22_formula.htm and see what dr. mercola has to say about homemade formula. Vicky ---- Rebecca Vann 02/17/05 20:14:19 ayurveda Re: Starting solids - infants okay martha here goes some formula recipies from your book -always use distilled water for babies and boil to make sure it's sterile -canned or dry formulas have very low prana (or life force) and the result is not good for their immune systems, as incomplete products of digestion tend to accumulate in the tissues (ama). -Digestability is a big issue with off the shelf formulas. If baby is gassy or seems to have tummy discomfort, try something different: don't just stick with what you started with. The spices cooked into the formula below not only taste good, but are there to protect and support Baby's digestive system. AYURVEDIC FORMULA FOR BABIES -4 cups cream top organic whole milk -1/4 teaspoon each turmeric and cardamom -1slice fresh ginger -4cups distilled water - 1 tablespoon fennel seed - 1/2 cup succanat Bring to a boil, let cool, strain and refrigerate. Warm for baby at each serving. RICE MILK FORMULA *straight rice milk is not nourishing enough for baby - 1/2 gallon rice milk - 1.5 tsp Lecithin granules - 1 pinch calcium ascorbate crystals - 4 heaping tsp succanat - 1 Tbs flax oil - 350 mg Calcium citrate - 1.5 Tbs rice protein powder - Liquid vitamin for infants - Primadophilis (optional) if baby has difficulty digesting warm about 2 cups of the rice milk. In the blender, blend the warmed rice milk with all ingredients excepting calcium ascorbate, vitamins, and primadophilis. Mix this blend with the rest of the rice milk and store in a glass 1/2 gallon container. Each day, add the appropriate dose of liquid vitamins and the optional primadophilis. And warm at each serving for optimal digestion. GOAT MILK *this ones from Rebecca! Make one cup of nettles infusion (1.5 heaping tbsp of nettles to 1 cup of water) Mix with 2-3 cups of goat milk. Warm at each serving for baby. Hopefully these things and suggestions from all have empowered you to make the decisions that best fit you and your little one. Many blessings. Rebecca Martha Oakes <martha wrote: Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir also? Do include this in your diet. And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. Does this sound like it might help? Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Thank you Martha and everyone. Yes, it has been 4 months, time is just flying by. I plan to nurse for atleast a year. I will try to find those herbs, if not I will contact you Martha. About the other recipes can I give those now or after 6 months. The first recipe talks about succanet - where do I get that? Thanks again. Himali ayurveda , " Martha Oakes " <martha@s...> wrote: > > Hi Vicki, HImali, Rebecca; > Has it been 4 months already?! Glad to hear you are questioning your > docs advice and asking a few wisewomen Vicki, I think > removes attachments; can you cut/paste it? I'd love to see what you > have; always learn something from y our sharings, and of course love > to get to play with some such. Or upload to the files section and If > I don't want to keep it there we can delete. I'm in Charleston doing > 6 days care for Adrienne she has a beautiful calm baby boy, born > on the 1st, 7lb plus at home in water. > > So, I don't have a piece to throw up for you to read out of the > training notes ... of course agree with Vicki and Rebecca. Speaking > of, maybe one of my students would like to take a crack at answering > the question in more detail? Ie, which foods to start with first > (rice water from boiling basmati rice) etc when, how, why? > > I'd put you on some herbals like shatavari, ashwaghanda, maybe some > wild yam, a digestive (cardamom, ginger, etc) maybe some fennel/cumin > and probably some brahmi for balance to take with ghee and natural > sweetener in hot milk, which will strengthen your own energy and > quality of the milk. and ample flax oil in your diet. You eat panir > also? Do include this in your diet. > > And know that when they are growth spurting, you just need to keep > feeding them more often!!! Take a hot bath, do some warm oil self > massage for both yu and baby regularly, keep your own > responsibilities lighter for a couple days. Moms and docs way > underestimate what can be done by strengthening Mom ... I wish I had > known about the herbals with my children. I remember my babies > nursing so often for so long, way past 4 months! and how fragile and > depleted I was, not knowing the grounding and nourishing food focus. > Does this sound like it might help? > > Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Dear Himali and all; Very interesting discussions in my absence! It is so much easier to just get you on some supportive herbs than to make formula!!!!! Be sure to keep your life simple especially during those growth spurts, when all these things help a lot - Ayurveda recommends herbs to make the growth spurts a smoother transition. do your self-massage/hot soak in bath, and take your hot milk tonic at night/am with some blanched almonds and saffron/cardamon. Re herbs, BTW, I still charge about 1/4 of what the time/herb value is worth, jsut to get peopole on them when needed, so you will save much money if you want me to put together some for you. Buying them in bulk I go to www.banyanbotanicals.com, best prices I've found. We get a better price if you are a health practitioner and make 40 dollar minimum order, easy to do if you buy the minimum 1/2 pound bags. Powdered rather than capsules is better effectiveness,starts as soon as the taste hits the body receptors. Succanat, or rapadura is more reliable quality - is available in probably any health food store. Alternative you may be able to use the REALLY dark jaggery (not yellow) but I think this will curdle the milk, haven't tried it but it is very high mineral (Indian stores, for those who don't know it is their sugar name). This recipe --- again, I would build your supply as first choice, but I know when the first tooth, saliva and strong desire for foods is there, you can use the succanat recipe in a kheer (milk/basmati rice pudding) for the ceremonial first feeding etc. Before that I would be giving boiled rice water (16 part water 1 rice, just give the liquid and see how Baby handles for several days before adding the mushed rice with a little ghee), then start just boled split mung same way, pinch turmeric/cumin/salt/ghee after few days ... ONE THING AT A TIME added, then when ready some vegetables like okra, asparagus, zucchini (not sweet things first). Please see separate post in response to the discussion of other formula options. Blessings! I'm back in town - let me know if you want some herbal support. 352 378-3660. Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 " Vicky York " <vmyork@s...> wrote: > I don't know how much it needs to be diluted, that's what I wish I knew. V Hi All - The ayurvedic dairy formula was created by a woman MD in california who is also an ayurvedic physician. I know of some it has worked great for even from the beginning, then less water and succanat as they get older. And I had a client who did not have access to cream top unhomoginized milk, and the baby did worse than with formula we could get (tongue tie situation, SNS support for part formula feedings). Now my rec would be to buy skim milk and add the cream back in, though I SO RARELY have to deal with this discussion, I haven't much experience. I'm sorry I don't know the docs name, would love to continue the conversaiton with her, but the formulas REbecca posted from my training handbook are not just " homemade " formulas by someone who thought they might work. The goat - nettle formula - perhaps ok for older babies but I would be cautious about other nutritional needs there, especially in the fats category. See the files for my commentary on Dr. Mercola's page on the subject, where I can hopefully keep the commentary color coding. I respect him greatlty for the service and valuable info he offers, but I also take it with more than a grain of salt so to speak due to my ayurvedic background, and consider ongoing discussion a great opportunity for us all to learn. Namaste! Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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