Well , are there reports that creatine takin along with the other supplements is not effective?

[Guest guest]

Well , are there reports that creatine takin along with the other

supplements is not effective?

 

JoAnn,

 

What do you feelare the best heart supplements?

 

And for new readers , the Creatine was one of a group of supplements.

 

Lorenzo

 

 

 

Message: 6

Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:29:45 -0000

" JoAnn Guest " <angelprincessjo

Re: Supplements That Energize The Heart

 

---Lorenzo, I would differ with the author of this article on the

efficacy of Creatine when used as an aid in coronary heart disease.

Creatine will create other problems when taken over the long term for

it is known to work by shifting bodily fluids around from one part of

the body to the other (beneficial for body builders) but will

eventually lead to bodily dehydration with long term use.

This is one of those supplements currently under investigation by the

FDA. There are so many others that one can use safely for heart

problems, I wouldn't touch it nor would I advise anyone else to use

it, for as we get older we need an x amount of fluids daily in order

to maintain a smooth artery flow,... this is even more crucial when

artery flow is compromised by excessive plaque buildup.

Any benefits derived from this supplement would just not be worth in

my opinion as it has proven to have so many other undesirable side

effects.

Just my two cents.

I have an article around somewhere regarding this,

but just thought I'd share the basics.

 

Best Regards,

JoAnn Guest

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In Gettingwell, " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1@w...> wrote:

> Supplements That Energize The Heart-------The report is at

> http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/heal_a_failing_heart.html

 

> Creatine. Used by many body builders to improve endurance, creatine

plays an

> important role in recycling and reusing ATP. After cells use ATP to

produce

> energy for muscle contractions, it is converted to ADP (adenosine

> diphosphate). Creatine donates a phosphorus molecule to convert ADP

back to

> ATP, thus restoring energy levels. Studies on patients with heart

failure

> have found that creatine supplementation do not directly benefit

the heart,

> but it does increase energy levels in skeletal muscle, resulting in

an

> overall improvement.

 

> Each of these supplements is safe when used to prevent heart

disease. When

> used therapeutically to treat cardiomyopathy or heart failure, some

caution

> is warranted, says Langsjoen. The reason is that cardiomyopathy and

heart

> failure are among the most serious of all heart diseases.

>

> Prescription drugs for these diseases work by masking symptoms or

forcing

> the heart to work harder. In contrast, CoQ10, carnitine, and the

other

> supplements naturally strengthen heart function. To avoid over-

stimulating

> your heart, you will likely have to reduce your risk of heart

drugs. Such

> adjustments in medications, says Langsjoen, should be done with the

guidance

> of a cardiologist or other physician skilled in nutritional

therapies and

> knowledgeable about drug-nutrient interactions.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

--- Good Morning Lorenzo,

Apparently, this Creatine supplement contributes to weight

*gain*, concentrates in the *heart muscles* and assists in the

*contraction* of the myofibrils (muscle fibers).

 

" Once inside the muscle, it is phosphoylated to form creatine

phosphate which is a high energy substrate that assists in the

contraction of the myofibrils (muscle fibers) " .

 

FROM THIS DESCRIPTION, IT WOULD SEEM VERY DANGEROUS FOR ANYONE TO

CONSUME, especially the elderly whom are battling heart and artery

disease.

 

Going back to what I outlined previously, this is the very reason we

want to get maximum amounts of magnesium in our systems each day as

magnesium tends to relax the heart and arteries, whereas calcium and

creatine contracts the heart muscles causing unwanted spasms

ultimately contributes to heart attacks!

 

I'm sorry but why would anyone in their right mind want to take a

supplement that concentrates in the heart muscle, leading to heart

and artery spasms?

In my opinion, this is the very thing we're trying to avoid.

 

Recurring spasms seem to be a huge part of our problem,

expecially in those of us who have had CVD and coronary heart

disease. I really wouldn't want to take the risk.

It would just not be worth it in my estimation.

 

I am engrossed in taking supplements that promote heart health. This

supplement just doesn't seem to fit that description.

 

In my opinion it would be very detrimental even for a young person

to take this, for acording to what I've read, the creatine stays in

the system (heart) long after you stop taking it.

As I say, it works by drawing unwanted fluids into muscle mass.

Do we really want more fluids in our muscles? Isn't this why older

people take diuretics

(God forbid)? So how would any of us actually derive any benefit from

this?

 

" More fluid inside muscle cells makes your muscles feel fuller and

gives you a harder, more defined look. "

 

A high price for a good physique, I'd say! And...from various

internet sources, it doesn't work all that well unless you engage in

prolonged strenuous exercise...not at all good for the heart, in my

opinion!

This is mainly for those who are trying to project an image of a

healthy body! From all the hype regarding creatine out there, I'm

just wondering what the long term *benefits* actually will be!

This is just my two cents worth.

Take it for what it's worth, please.

 

Best Regards,

 

JoAnn Guest

mrsjogeust

Friendsforhealthnaturally

DietaryTipsForHBP

http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Botanicals.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

In Gettingwell, " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1@w...> wrote:

> Well , are there reports that creatine takin along with the other

> supplements is not effective?

>

> JoAnn,

>

> What do you feelare the best heart supplements?

>

> And for new readers , the Creatine was one of a group of

supplements.

>

> Lorenzo

>

>

>

> Message: 6

> Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:29:45 -0000

> " JoAnn Guest " <angelprincessjo>

> Re: Supplements That Energize The Heart

>

> ---Lorenzo, I would differ with the author of this article on the

> efficacy of Creatine when used as an aid in coronary heart disease.

> Creatine will create other problems when taken over the long term

for

> it is known to work by shifting bodily fluids around from one part

of

> the body to the other (beneficial for body builders) but will

> eventually lead to bodily dehydration with long term use.

> This is one of those supplements currently under investigation by

the

> FDA. There are so many others that one can use safely for heart

> problems, I wouldn't touch it nor would I advise anyone else to use

> it, for as we get older we need an x amount of fluids daily in order

> to maintain a smooth artery flow,... this is even more crucial when

> artery flow is compromised by excessive plaque buildup.

> Any benefits derived from this supplement would just not be worth in

> my opinion as it has proven to have so many other undesirable side

> effects.

> Just my two cents.

> I have an article around somewhere regarding this,

> but just thought I'd share the basics.

>

> Best Regards,

> JoAnn Guest

> mrsjoguest@s...

> Friendsforhealthnaturally

> DietaryTipsForHBP

> http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/AIM.html

>

>

> In Gettingwell, " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1@w...> wrote:

> > Supplements That Energize The Heart-------The report is at

> > http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/heal_a_failing_heart.html

>

> > Creatine. Used by many body builders to improve endurance,

creatine

> plays an

> > important role in recycling and reusing ATP. After cells use ATP

 

> >

[Guest guest]

---Lorenzo,

 

Heart-Smart Nutrients

 

1.Vitamin E----1,000 mgs

2. Magnesium -400-1,200 mgs

3. Potassium---99-300 mgs

4. B-complex---B-6, B-12

5. Vitamin C---2,000 mgs

daily minimum

 

 

1. Hawthorne Berry

2. CO-Q10

3. Cayenne Pepper

4. Non-gmo Soy, Beans, Lentils

& Legumes

5. Norwegian Fish oil(n-3s,n-6s,n-9s)

6. Garlic

7. Ginger root

 

 

Ya Gotta Have Heart Foods...

 

1. Red Grapes & Wine

2. Almonds, Cashews, Brazil Nuts

3. Blackstrap Molasses

4. Blueberries

5. Oat Bran

 

JoAnn Guest

mrsjoguest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

DietaryTipsForHBP

http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Botanicals.html

 

In Gettingwell, " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1@w...> wrote:

> JoAnn,

>

> What do you feelare the best heart supplements?

> Lorenzo

 

> Message: 6

> Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:29:45 -0000

> " JoAnn Guest " <angelprincessjo>

> Re: Supplements That Energize The Heart

>

> ---Lorenzo, I would differ with the author of this article on the

> efficacy of Creatine when used as an aid in coronary heart disease.

> Creatine will create other problems when taken over the long term

for

> it is known to work by shifting bodily fluids around from one part

of

> the body to the other (beneficial for body builders) but will

> eventually lead to bodily dehydration with long term use.