Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Morton, Have you read anything about soy that was not bought and paid for by the soybean industry? Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Morton Bodanis > 2/17/2002 10:22:59 PM > To: > alternacare ;Gettingwell ;Optimal_Health_a nd_Longevity@gr > oups.com;orthomolecular > Soy > > > > > > I have been looking into and reading up on soy. The following is a > > comprehensive, concise list of it's attributes. I hope that it will be > > of interest to you too. > > > > I have questions, if someone can tell me. When the soy bean is roasted, > > does it lose much of it's nutrient qualities? Much? If yes, how can this > > loss be minimized? If these beans can be eaten raw, is their available > > nutrition enhanced? > > > > Morton > > > > > > Soy products proven to help overall health > > By Dr. Christopher Baldt > > You may have heard that the latest food to be named a super food is none > > other than the soybean. A major agricultural crop, grown in the > > Midwestern states such as Iowa, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois, > > the soybean is rapidly gaining popularity as reports surface attesting > > to its invaluable source of essential nutrition. > > > > Recently, Oprah Winfrey outlined a program/book called " The Okinawan > > Program, " which she is quoted as saying is " the best age-defying diet in > > the world. " In this long researched study, the authors took a look at > > the diet and lifestyle of the Okinawan people due to the unusual numbers > > of centenarians in their culture and the remarkable health that these > > people enjoy. > > > > The principles in this lifestyle, although ancient, are easily > > accessible to the modern world. While there are many components to their > > record breaking statistics of healthy longevity, one of the main > > components was their diets, consisting largely of products containing > > soy. > > > > Soybeans are full of nutrients such as B vitamins, magnesium, potassium, > > iron and calcium. Now, researchers are finding that components in > > soybeans, called isoflavones, may lower the risk of heart disease and > > potentially strengthen the bones, ease menopausal symptoms and reduce > > the risk of cancer. > > > > The research on heart disease is so convincing that the U.S. Food and > > Drug Administration (USDA) recently approved the use of food labeling, > > which includes the link between soy and a reduction in heart disease > > risk. > > > > School cafeteria menus may soon include more soy products selections as > > the USDA makes an effort to increase the availability of this health > > food in school meals. While studies on cancer risk reduction and > > osteoporosis prevention look more encouraging, more studies are needed > > before concrete dietary recommendations may be made. > > > > Soy protein contains all the essential amino acids that our bodies > > cannot produce. It is the only plant protein that is complete and ranks > > with milk protein and egg white protein as highest in biological value. > > Soy is also a good source of calcium, fiber, folacin, iron and > > isoflavones. Soy protein can lower cholesterol because of its globulin > > and saponin content. The phytoestrogens (plant estrogen) help reduce hot > > flashes and inhibit the growth of hormone-dependent tumors. > > > > Heart disease > > A diet high in soy protein seems to reduce the risk of heart disease. > > > > Soybeans are low in saturated fat and free of cholesterol, but rich in > > high quality protein. Thus, soy makes an excellent meat substitute in > > our diets. > > > > Soy protein reduces cholesterol levels. Studies show 25 grams of soy > > protein a day is effective. Soy protein also inhibits cholesterol > > oxidation that can damage the arteries. A compound called genistein in > > soybeans inhibits the growth of cells that form the plaque that line the > > arteries and may also inhibit the formation of blood clots. Obviously, > > eating more soy protein is a smart move that will protect the health of > > your heart. > > > > Cancer risk > > Diet is one factor that can reduce cancer risk. As little as one serving > > a day of soy foods seems to protect against many types of cancer > > including lung, colon, rectal, stomach, prostate and breast cancer. > > > > A serving equals 1/2 cup of cooked soybeans, tofu or textured soy > > protein (veggie burgers) or 1 cup soy milk. Isoflavones again stand out > > as the protective factor. Genistein stops the growth of cancer cells in > > the test tube, by interfering with the enzyme activity of the cancer > > cells. It also acts against hormone dependent cancers such as breast and > > prostate cancer. > > > > Osteoporosis > > Eating soy foods is an easy way to build strong bones and lower the risk > > of osteoporosis. Osteoporosis involves thinning and weakening of bones > > and is a very serious and common problem throughout the world. > > Approximately 25 million Americans suffer from this chronic disease, > > which can be prevented by diet and exercise. > > > > Diabetes > > With diabetes a lack of sufficient insulin, or poor utilization of > > existing insulin, results in high blood sugar levels. People with > > diabetes are at higher risk for heart disease and damage to their eyes, > > kidneys, nerves and limbs. The best diet for most people with diabetes > > is one that is low in fat, high in complex carbohydrates, such as starch > > and fiber, and moderate in protein. > > > > Kidney disease > > Diets high in protein make healthy kidneys filter at a higher rate. > > There is evidence that the type of protein in soy foods doesn't affect > > the kidneys in the same way as animal proteins do. When people with > > kidney disease replaced some animal proteins with soy, a significant > > improvement was noted in kidney function. > > > > Menopausal symptoms > > Women who take 1/2 cup of soy products a day report a reduction in hot > > flashes and night sweats. The isoflavones in soy foods are also called > > phytoestrogens, which means plant estrogen. They have properties similar > > to human estrogen but their effects are much weaker. This effect can > > help decrease the symptoms of menopause. > > > > OK, so how do you incorporate soy into your diet? On the market today, > > there are a variety of good tasting alternatives. You can buy roasted > > soy nuts in your grocery store, salted or not, which taste very much > > like roasted peanuts. They sometimes come mixed with raisins or dried > > fruit and seeds and make a good snack or a sprinkle for salads. They > > also come in the form of peanut butter which is really very good. > > > > Soy milk has made drastic changes since we first saw it on the market. > > New flavors have made it much more palatable for the general population. > > You can use it in place of milk in nearly every recipe including adding > > it to coffee or tea. Frozen soy products in place of ice cream are > > showing up on grocery shelves in record numbers and consumers report > > that the taste is very similar to that of frozen yogurt. > > > > So what about tofu? This food used to be the original four letter word > > in the kitchen. Many use to say that it acted like a sponge, meaning it > > soaked up any flavors around it; this is not so true anymore. Try adding > > it to your favorite recipes or experiment with a tofu dish to see for > > yourself how versatile it can be. > > > > Silken tofu is best used for cream sauces and as a substitute for > > traditional mayonnaise or sour cream. Soft tofu is used for making > > smoothies with frozen fruit in the blender for a healthful treat. You > > can also use soft tofu as a substitute for soft Italian cheeses in > > lasagna, stuffed shells, manicotti or baked ziti. The firm variety of > > tofu is best used for slicing in place of meat, poultry or seafood in > > stir-fry recipes. > > > > You can crumble this type of tofu and make a mock egg salad, using the > > traditional mayonnaise, celery and seasonings. > > > > Soy protein powders contain the highest concentration of soy protein and > > make wonderful bases for milkshakes. Or just add a tablespoon to gravy, > > puddings, yogurt or other foods with a smooth and creamy texture. When > > shopping for these products, look for soy protein isolate as the first > > ingredient on the food label. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hello, Who has more Credibility Dr. Joseph Mercola VS Dr. Christopher Baldt ? This is what I ment about how every Doctor has there own research to back up there views, so I guess some one is right, or maybe they are all right but they just stretch the truth a little to much which makes it harder to understand the truth. Kevin Gagnon Morton Bodanis <mortonmb wrote: I have been looking into and reading up on soy. The following is a comprehensive, concise list of it's attributes. I hope that it will be of interest to you too. I have questions, if someone can tell me. When the soy bean is roasted, does it lose much of it's nutrient qualities? Much? If yes, how can this loss be minimized? If these beans can be eaten raw, is their available nutrition enhanced? Morton Soy products proven to help overall health By Dr. Christopher Baldt You may have heard that the latest food to be named a super food is none other than the soybean. A major agricultural crop, grown in the Midwestern states such as Iowa, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois, the soybean is rapidly gaining popularity as reports surface attesting to its invaluable source of essential nutrition. Recently, Oprah Winfrey outlined a program/book called " The Okinawan Program, " which she is quoted as saying is " the best age-defying diet in the world. " In this long researched study, the authors took a look at the diet and lifestyle of the Okinawan people due to the unusual numbers of centenarians in their culture and the remarkable health that these people enjoy. The principles in this lifestyle, although ancient, are easily accessible to the modern world. While there are many components to their record breaking statistics of healthy longevity, one of the main components was their diets, consisting largely of products containing soy. Soybeans are full of nutrients such as B vitamins, magnesium, potassium, iron and calcium. Now, researchers are finding that components in soybeans, called isoflavones, may lower the risk of heart disease and potentially strengthen the bones, ease menopausal symptoms and reduce the risk of cancer. The research on heart disease is so convincing that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (USDA) recently approved the use of food labeling, which includes the link between soy and a reduction in heart disease risk. School cafeteria menus may soon include more soy products selections as the USDA makes an effort to increase the availability of this health food in school meals. While studies on cancer risk reduction and osteoporosis prevention look more encouraging, more studies are needed before concrete dietary recommendations may be made. Soy protein contains all the essential amino acids that our bodies cannot produce. It is the only plant protein that is complete and ranks with milk protein and egg white protein as highest in biological value. Soy is also a good source of calcium, fiber, folacin, iron and isoflavones. Soy protein can lower cholesterol because of its globulin and saponin content. The phytoestrogens (plant estrogen) help reduce hot flashes and inhibit the growth of hormone-dependent tumors. Heart disease A diet high in soy protein seems to reduce the risk of heart disease. Soybeans are low in saturated fat and free of cholesterol, but rich in high quality protein. Thus, soy makes an excellent meat substitute in our diets. Soy protein reduces cholesterol levels. Studies show 25 grams of soy protein a day is effective. Soy protein also inhibits cholesterol oxidation that can damage the arteries. A compound called genistein in soybeans inhibits the growth of cells that form the plaque that line the arteries and may also inhibit the formation of blood clots. Obviously, eating more soy protein is a smart move that will protect the health of your heart. Cancer risk Diet is one factor that can reduce cancer risk. As little as one serving a day of soy foods seems to protect against many types of cancer including lung, colon, rectal, stomach, prostate and breast cancer. A serving equals 1/2 cup of cooked soybeans, tofu or textured soy protein (veggie burgers) or 1 cup soy milk. Isoflavones again stand out as the protective factor. Genistein stops the growth of cancer cells in the test tube, by interfering with the enzyme activity of the cancer cells. It also acts against hormone dependent cancers such as breast and prostate cancer. Osteoporosis Eating soy foods is an easy way to build strong bones and lower the risk of osteoporosis. Osteoporosis involves thinning and weakening of bones and is a very serious and common problem throughout the world. Approximately 25 million Americans suffer from this chronic disease, which can be prevented by diet and exercise. Diabetes With diabetes a lack of sufficient insulin, or poor utilization of existing insulin, results in high blood sugar levels. People with diabetes are at higher risk for heart disease and damage to their eyes, kidneys, nerves and limbs. The best diet for most people with diabetes is one that is low in fat, high in complex carbohydrates, such as starch and fiber, and moderate in protein. Kidney disease Diets high in protein make healthy kidneys filter at a higher rate. There is evidence that the type of protein in soy foods doesn't affect the kidneys in the same way as animal proteins do. When people with kidney disease replaced some animal proteins with soy, a significant improvement was noted in kidney function. Menopausal symptoms Women who take 1/2 cup of soy products a day report a reduction in hot flashes and night sweats. The isoflavones in soy foods are also called phytoestrogens, which means plant estrogen. They have properties similar to human estrogen but their effects are much weaker. This effect can help decrease the symptoms of menopause. OK, so how do you incorporate soy into your diet? On the market today, there are a variety of good tasting alternatives. You can buy roasted soy nuts in your grocery store, salted or not, which taste very much like roasted peanuts. They sometimes come mixed with raisins or dried fruit and seeds and make a good snack or a sprinkle for salads. They also come in the form of peanut butter which is really very good. Soy milk has made drastic changes since we first saw it on the market. New flavors have made it much more palatable for the general population. You can use it in place of milk in nearly every recipe including adding it to coffee or tea. Frozen soy products in place of ice cream are showing up on grocery shelves in record numbers and consumers report that the taste is very similar to that of frozen yogurt. So what about tofu? This food used to be the original four letter word in the kitchen. Many use to say that it acted like a sponge, meaning it soaked up any flavors around it; this is not so true anymore. Try adding it to your favorite recipes or experiment with a tofu dish to see for yourself how versatile it can be. Silken tofu is best used for cream sauces and as a substitute for traditional mayonnaise or sour cream. Soft tofu is used for making smoothies with frozen fruit in the blender for a healthful treat. You can also use soft tofu as a substitute for soft Italian cheeses in lasagna, stuffed shells, manicotti or baked ziti. The firm variety of tofu is best used for slicing in place of meat, poultry or seafood in stir-fry recipes. You can crumble this type of tofu and make a mock egg salad, using the traditional mayonnaise, celery and seasonings. Soy protein powders contain the highest concentration of soy protein and make wonderful bases for milkshakes. Or just add a tablespoon to gravy, puddings, yogurt or other foods with a smooth and creamy texture. When shopping for these products, look for soy protein isolate as the first ingredient on the food label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hi Kevin, http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html Check this out. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Kevin Gagnon > 2/17/2002 7:58:54 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Soy > Hello, > > Who has more Credibility > > Dr. Joseph Mercola VS Dr. Christopher Baldt ? This is what I ment about how every Doctor has > there own research to back up there views, so I guess some one is right, or maybe they are all right but > they just stretch the truth a little to much which makes it harder to understand the truth. > > Kevin Gagnon > > > > Morton Bodanis wrote: > > I have been looking into and reading up on soy. The following is a > > comprehensive, concise list of it's attributes. I hope that it will be > > of interest to you too. > > > > I have questions, if someone can tell me. When the soy bean is roasted, > > does it lose much of it's nutrient qualities? Much? If yes, how can this > > loss be minimized? If these beans can be eaten raw, is their available > > nutrition enhanced? > > > > Morton > > > > > > Soy products proven to help overall health > > By Dr. Christopher Baldt > > You may have heard that the latest food to be named a super food is none > > other than the soybean. A major agricultural crop, grown in the > > Midwestern states such as Iowa, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois, > > the soybean is rapidly gaining popularity as reports surface attesting > > to its invaluable source of essential nutrition. > > > > Recently, Oprah Winfrey outlined a program/book called " The Okinawan > > Program, " which she is quoted as saying is " the best age-defying diet in > > the world. " In this long researched study, the authors took a look at > > the diet and lifestyle of the Okinawan people due to the unusual numbers > > of centenarians in their culture and the remarkable health that these > > people enjoy. > > > > The principles in this lifestyle, although ancient, are easily > > accessible to the modern world. While there are many components to their > > record breaking statistics of healthy longevity, one of the main > > components was their diets, consisting largely of products containing > > soy. > > > > Soybeans are full of nutrients such as B vitamins, magnesium, potassium, > > iron and calcium. Now, researchers are finding that components in > > soybeans, called isoflavones, may lower the risk of heart disease and > > potentially strengthen the bones, ease menopausal symptoms and reduce > > the risk of cancer. > > > > The research on heart disease is so convincing that the U.S. Food and > > Drug Administration (USDA) recently approved the use of food labeling, > > which includes the link between soy and a reduction in heart disease > > risk. > > > > School cafeteria menus may soon include more soy products selections as > > the USDA makes an effort to increase the availability of this health > > food in school meals. While studies on cancer risk reduction and > > osteoporosis prevention look more encouraging, more studies are needed > > before concrete dietary recommendations may be made. > > > > Soy protein contains all the essential amino acids that our bodies > > cannot produce. It is the only plant protein that is complete and ranks > > with milk protein and egg white protein as highest in biological value. > > Soy is also a good source of calcium, fiber, folacin, iron and > > isoflavones. Soy protein can lower cholesterol because of its globulin > > and saponin content. The phytoestrogens (plant estrogen) help reduce hot > > flashes and inhibit the growth of hormone-dependent tumors. > > > > Heart disease > > A diet high in soy protein seems to reduce the risk of heart disease. > > > > Soybeans are low in saturated fat and free of cholesterol, but rich in > > high quality protein. Thus, soy makes an excellent meat substitute in > > our diets. > > > > Soy protein reduces cholesterol levels. Studies show 25 grams of soy > > protein a day is effective. Soy protein also inhibits cholesterol > > oxidation that can damage the arteries. A compound called genistein in > > soybeans inhibits the growth of cells that form the plaque that line the > > arteries and may also inhibit the formation of blood clots. Obviously, > > eating more soy protein is a smart move that will protect the health of > > your heart. > > > > Cancer risk > > Diet is one factor that can reduce cancer risk. As little as one serving > > a day of soy foods seems to protect against many types of cancer > > including lung, colon, rectal, stomach, prostate and breast cancer. > > > > A serving equals 1/2 cup of cooked soybeans, tofu or textured soy > > protein (veggie burgers) or 1 cup soy milk. Isoflavones again stand out > > as the protective factor. Genistein stops the growth of cancer cells in > > the test tube, by interfering with the enzyme activity of the cancer > > cells. It also acts against hormone dependent cancers such as breast and > > prostate cancer. > > > > Osteoporosis > > Eating soy foods is an easy way to build strong bones and lower the risk > > of osteoporosis. Osteoporosis involves thinning and weakening of bones > > and is a very serious and common problem throughout the world. > > Approximately 25 million Americans suffer from this chronic disease, > > which can be prevented by diet and exercise. > > > > Diabetes > > With diabetes a lack of sufficient insulin, or poor utilization of > > existing insulin, results in high blood sugar levels. People with > > diabetes are at higher risk for heart disease and damage to their eyes, > > kidneys, nerves and limbs. The best diet for most people with diabetes > > is one that is low in fat, high in complex carbohydrates, such as starch > > and fiber, and moderate in protein. > > > > Kidney disease > > Diets high in protein make healthy kidneys filter at a higher rate. > > There is evidence that the type of protein in soy foods doesn't affect > > the kidneys in the same way as animal proteins do. When people with > > kidney disease replaced some animal proteins with soy, a significant > > improvement was noted in kidney function. > > > > Menopausal symptoms > > Women who take 1/2 cup of soy products a day report a reduction in hot > > flashes and night sweats. The isoflavones in soy foods are also called > > phytoestrogens, which means plant estrogen. They have properties similar > > to human estrogen but their effects are much weaker. This effect can > > help decrease the symptoms of menopause. > > > > OK, so how do you incorporate soy into your diet? On the market today, > > there are a variety of good tasting alternatives. You can buy roasted > > soy nuts in your grocery store, salted or not, which taste very much > > like roasted peanuts. They sometimes come mixed with raisins or dried > > fruit and seeds and make a good snack or a sprinkle for salads. They > > also come in the form of peanut butter which is really very good. > > > > Soy milk has made drastic changes since we first saw it on the market. > > New flavors have made it much more palatable for the general population. > > You can use it in place of milk in nearly every recipe including adding > > it to coffee or tea. Frozen soy products in place of ice cream are > > showing up on grocery shelves in record numbers and consumers report > > that the taste is very similar to that of frozen yogurt. > > > > So what about tofu? This food used to be the original four letter word > > in the kitchen. Many use to say that it acted like a sponge, meaning it > > soaked up any flavors around it; this is not so true anymore. Try adding > > it to your favorite recipes or experiment with a tofu dish to see for > > yourself how versatile it can be. > > > > Silken tofu is best used for cream sauces and as a substitute for > > traditional mayonnaise or sour cream. Soft tofu is used for making > > smoothies with frozen fruit in the blender for a healthful treat. You > > can also use soft tofu as a substitute for soft Italian cheeses in > > lasagna, stuffed shells, manicotti or baked ziti. The firm variety of > > tofu is best used for slicing in place of meat, poultry or seafood in > > stir-fry recipes. > > > > You can crumble this type of tofu and make a mock egg salad, using the > > traditional mayonnaise, celery and seasonings. > > > > Soy protein powders contain the highest concentration of soy protein and > > make wonderful bases for milkshakes. Or just add a tablespoon to gravy, > > puddings, yogurt or other foods with a smooth and creamy texture. When > > shopping for these products, look for soy protein isolate as the first > > ingredient on the food label. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 - " Kevin Gagnon " <powerofbelieving Monday, February 18, 2002 2:27 PM Re: Soy > I have questions, if someone can tell me. When the soy bean is roasted, > does it lose much of it's nutrient qualities? Much? If yes, how can this > loss be minimized? If these beans can be eaten raw, is their available > nutrition enhanced? Hi Morton, Roasting (heating) generally denatures proteins (unfolds them from their natural curls) and thus will inhibit soy enzymes bioactivity, however unless you really burn them, roasting may be beneficial. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 - " the desert_rat " <ron Monday, February 18, 2002 2:33 PM Re: Soy > Hi Kevin, > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html Hi Ron, If you read the articles carefully, you will see the problems are eating non fermented soy products. Fermenting is the traditional Asian way to eat soy and to eat it with iodine rich sea fish as the Okinawans do. Just understand the multi billon dollar market for protein in the US. Even very small changes in market % represent millions of dollars in sales and like the dirty practices engaged in by the oil seed barons as they killed off topical oils and butter in place of margarine are now being used against soy. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hello, I wouldn't doubt it either that allot of negative info about Soy come from organizations that are secretly funded by competitor markets (-: (-: Who really knows. Kevin Gagnon Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: - " the desert_rat " <ron Monday, February 18, 2002 2:33 PM Re: Soy > Hi Kevin, > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html Hi Ron, If you read the articles carefully, you will see the problems are eating non fermented soy products. Fermenting is the traditional Asian way to eat soy and to eat it with iodine rich sea fish as the Okinawans do. Just understand the multi billon dollar market for protein in the US. Even very small changes in market % represent millions of dollars in sales and like the dirty practices engaged in by the oil seed barons as they killed off topical oils and butter in place of margarine are now being used against soy. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 I have been looking into and reading up on soy. The following is a comprehensive, concise list of it's attributes. I hope that it will be of interest to you too. I have questions, if someone can tell me. When the soy bean is roasted, does it lose much of it's nutrient qualities? Much? If yes, how can this loss be minimized? If these beans can be eaten raw, is their available nutrition enhanced? Morton Soy products proven to help overall health By Dr. Christopher Baldt You may have heard that the latest food to be named a super food is none other than the soybean. A major agricultural crop, grown in the Midwestern states such as Iowa, Ohio, Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois, the soybean is rapidly gaining popularity as reports surface attesting to its invaluable source of essential nutrition. Recently, Oprah Winfrey outlined a program/book called " The Okinawan Program, " which she is quoted as saying is " the best age-defying diet in the world. " In this long researched study, the authors took a look at the diet and lifestyle of the Okinawan people due to the unusual numbers of centenarians in their culture and the remarkable health that these people enjoy. The principles in this lifestyle, although ancient, are easily accessible to the modern world. While there are many components to their record breaking statistics of healthy longevity, one of the main components was their diets, consisting largely of products containing soy. Soybeans are full of nutrients such as B vitamins, magnesium, potassium, iron and calcium. Now, researchers are finding that components in soybeans, called isoflavones, may lower the risk of heart disease and potentially strengthen the bones, ease menopausal symptoms and reduce the risk of cancer. The research on heart disease is so convincing that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (USDA) recently approved the use of food labeling, which includes the link between soy and a reduction in heart disease risk. School cafeteria menus may soon include more soy products selections as the USDA makes an effort to increase the availability of this health food in school meals. While studies on cancer risk reduction and osteoporosis prevention look more encouraging, more studies are needed before concrete dietary recommendations may be made. Soy protein contains all the essential amino acids that our bodies cannot produce. It is the only plant protein that is complete and ranks with milk protein and egg white protein as highest in biological value. Soy is also a good source of calcium, fiber, folacin, iron and isoflavones. Soy protein can lower cholesterol because of its globulin and saponin content. The phytoestrogens (plant estrogen) help reduce hot flashes and inhibit the growth of hormone-dependent tumors. Heart disease A diet high in soy protein seems to reduce the risk of heart disease. Soybeans are low in saturated fat and free of cholesterol, but rich in high quality protein. Thus, soy makes an excellent meat substitute in our diets. Soy protein reduces cholesterol levels. Studies show 25 grams of soy protein a day is effective. Soy protein also inhibits cholesterol oxidation that can damage the arteries. A compound called genistein in soybeans inhibits the growth of cells that form the plaque that line the arteries and may also inhibit the formation of blood clots. Obviously, eating more soy protein is a smart move that will protect the health of your heart. Cancer risk Diet is one factor that can reduce cancer risk. As little as one serving a day of soy foods seems to protect against many types of cancer including lung, colon, rectal, stomach, prostate and breast cancer. A serving equals 1/2 cup of cooked soybeans, tofu or textured soy protein (veggie burgers) or 1 cup soy milk. Isoflavones again stand out as the protective factor. Genistein stops the growth of cancer cells in the test tube, by interfering with the enzyme activity of the cancer cells. It also acts against hormone dependent cancers such as breast and prostate cancer. Osteoporosis Eating soy foods is an easy way to build strong bones and lower the risk of osteoporosis. Osteoporosis involves thinning and weakening of bones and is a very serious and common problem throughout the world. Approximately 25 million Americans suffer from this chronic disease, which can be prevented by diet and exercise. Diabetes With diabetes a lack of sufficient insulin, or poor utilization of existing insulin, results in high blood sugar levels. People with diabetes are at higher risk for heart disease and damage to their eyes, kidneys, nerves and limbs. The best diet for most people with diabetes is one that is low in fat, high in complex carbohydrates, such as starch and fiber, and moderate in protein. Kidney disease Diets high in protein make healthy kidneys filter at a higher rate. There is evidence that the type of protein in soy foods doesn't affect the kidneys in the same way as animal proteins do. When people with kidney disease replaced some animal proteins with soy, a significant improvement was noted in kidney function. Menopausal symptoms Women who take 1/2 cup of soy products a day report a reduction in hot flashes and night sweats. The isoflavones in soy foods are also called phytoestrogens, which means plant estrogen. They have properties similar to human estrogen but their effects are much weaker. This effect can help decrease the symptoms of menopause. OK, so how do you incorporate soy into your diet? On the market today, there are a variety of good tasting alternatives. You can buy roasted soy nuts in your grocery store, salted or not, which taste very much like roasted peanuts. They sometimes come mixed with raisins or dried fruit and seeds and make a good snack or a sprinkle for salads. They also come in the form of peanut butter which is really very good. Soy milk has made drastic changes since we first saw it on the market. New flavors have made it much more palatable for the general population. You can use it in place of milk in nearly every recipe including adding it to coffee or tea. Frozen soy products in place of ice cream are showing up on grocery shelves in record numbers and consumers report that the taste is very similar to that of frozen yogurt. So what about tofu? This food used to be the original four letter word in the kitchen. Many use to say that it acted like a sponge, meaning it soaked up any flavors around it; this is not so true anymore. Try adding it to your favorite recipes or experiment with a tofu dish to see for yourself how versatile it can be. Silken tofu is best used for cream sauces and as a substitute for traditional mayonnaise or sour cream. Soft tofu is used for making smoothies with frozen fruit in the blender for a healthful treat. You can also use soft tofu as a substitute for soft Italian cheeses in lasagna, stuffed shells, manicotti or baked ziti. The firm variety of tofu is best used for slicing in place of meat, poultry or seafood in stir-fry recipes. You can crumble this type of tofu and make a mock egg salad, using the traditional mayonnaise, celery and seasonings. Soy protein powders contain the highest concentration of soy protein and make wonderful bases for milkshakes. Or just add a tablespoon to gravy, puddings, yogurt or other foods with a smooth and creamy texture. When shopping for these products, look for soy protein isolate as the first ingredient on the food label. 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Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hi Kevin, Mary Enig and Sally Fallon two well qualified researchers who write against soy also believe cows milk to be poison. Maybe they get some funding from the beef industry but that is not my impression. Okinawan's on their unpolluted island in a pure food environment with a seemingly idyllic life style could be expected to live long and healthy lives. Just because soy is a part of their diet proves absolutely nothing. In fact maybe a case could be made that they would live 10 years longer if they did not consume soy. And yes if soy is fermented that does make it less dangerous if not consumed in quantity. But then in Japan an annual ritual by some is to eat a fish that is so poisonous that if not prepared exactly right it will kill the eater. Russian Roulette is gauranteed to stimulate your adrenals. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Kevin Gagnon > 2/17/2002 8:44:55 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Soy > Hello, > > I wouldn't doubt it either that allot of negative info about Soy come from organizations that are secretly > funded by competitor markets (-: (-: Who really knows. > > Kevin Gagnon > > Greg Watson wrote: - > > " the desert_rat " > > To: > > Monday, February 18, 2002 2:33 PM > > Re: Soy > > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > If you read the articles carefully, you will see the problems are eating non fermented soy > products. Fermenting is the > > traditional Asian way to eat soy and to eat it with iodine rich sea fish as the Okinawans do. > > > > Just understand the multi billon dollar market for protein in the US. Even very small changes in > market % represent > > millions of dollars in sales and like the dirty practices engaged in by the oil seed barons as they killed > off topical > > oils and butter in place of margarine are now being used against soy. > > ======================== > > Good health & long life, > > Greg Watson, > > http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 - " the desert_rat " <ron Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:48 AM Re: Soy > Okinawan's on their unpolluted island in a pure food environment with a > seemingly idyllic life style could be expected to live long and healthy > lives. Just because soy is a part of their diet proves absolutely > nothing. In fact maybe a case could be made that they would live 10 > years longer if they did not consume soy. Hi Ron, With respect, I guess you can throw away any information that does not fit your view of the world. Living is about learning and being constantly aware that we don't know all the answers. You can't learn without allowing new knowledge to replace old. Okinawa is not some paradise. There are HUGH American bases there and as the younger Okinawan generation adopt western foods, they start suffering all the diseases of the west. You can either accept their diet and their resultant health, compare it to that of the west, learn, make changes in your diet or not. I would suggest reading " The Okinawan Program " . It just may change your world and add years to your life. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: Hi Ron, <snip> I guess you can throw away any information that does not fit your view of the world. Living is about learning and being constantly aware that we don't know all the answers. You can't learn without allowing new knowledge to replace old. <snip> Greg, I think your posts would be better received if they weren't sometimes condescending. Just a suggestion, Pam Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hi Greg, With respect it seems to me that you are the one that is throwing away all of the research on soy with which you do not agree. Your answer to everything is " the Okies eat soy so therefore it is good " . Some credentials. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Greg Watson > 2/19/2002 8:32:36 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Soy > > > > > > - > > " the desert_rat " > > To: > > Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:48 AM > > Re: Soy > > > > > > > Okinawan's on their unpolluted island in a pure food environment with a > > > seemingly idyllic life style could be expected to live long and healthy > > > lives. Just because soy is a part of their diet proves absolutely > > > nothing. In fact maybe a case could be made that they would live 10 > > > years longer if they did not consume soy. > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > With respect, I guess you can throw away any information that does not fit your view of the world. > Living is about > > learning and being constantly aware that we don't know all the answers. You can't learn without allowing > new knowledge > > to replace old. > > > > Okinawa is not some paradise. There are HUGH American bases there and as the younger > Okinawan generation adopt western > > foods, they start suffering all the diseases of the west. You can either accept their diet and their > resultant health, > > compare it to that of the west, learn, make changes in your diet or not. > > > > I would suggest reading " The Okinawan Program " . It just may change your world and > add years to your life. > > ======================== > > Good health & long life, > > Greg Watson, > > http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 - " Pamela Southall " <southallp Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:09 AM Re: Soy > Greg, > > I think your posts would be better received if they weren't sometimes condescending. > > Just a suggestion, Hi Pam, I do a lot of reading on both sides of a point of view and have several times made major modifications of my views, such as my recent adoption of coconut oil as being very healthy. There are a lot of web site out there and I take what they say with a pinch of salt. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 - " the desert_rat " <ron Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:11 AM Re: Soy > Hi Greg, > With respect it seems to me that you are the one that is throwing away > all of the research on soy with which you do not agree. Your answer to > everything is " the Okies eat soy so therefore it is good " . Some > credentials. Hi Ron, I have done extensive research on soy, reading heavily on both sides of the question. My view on soy is based on 100's of PubMed research papers and a good knowledge of the body. Do I make soy my total protein source. NO. Do I use some naturally fermented soy products. YES. Has my postmenopausal wife found some benefit from soy. YES. Most of you protein comes from veggies and fish. As to the Okinawan's being my reference point. Yes they are a good living research lab but there is extensive research data supporting beneficial effects from soy and very little the other way. Most of the negative web sites use the same techniques as the oil seed barons used to kill off topical oils and butter. The soy question is a multi billion dollar war and in war everything is fair. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Hi Greg, That is all well and good. I just wish everyone would do the research and come to their own conclusions. It is interesting that of all of the research you have done you present only that which bolsters your conclusions. Ron P.S. In your previous post you implied that you knew my present age, My nutritional habits and my life expectancy.:) You said : I would suggest reading " The Okinawan Program " . It just may change your world and add years to your life. _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Greg Watson > 2/19/2002 9:38:14 AM > Gettingwell > Re: Soy > > > > > > - > > " the desert_rat " > > To: > > Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:11 AM > > Re: Soy > > > > > > > Hi Greg, > > > With respect it seems to me that you are the one that is throwing away > > > all of the research on soy with which you do not agree. Your answer to > > > everything is " the Okies eat soy so therefore it is good " . Some > > > credentials. > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > I have done extensive research on soy, reading heavily on both sides of the question. My view on > soy is based on 100's > > of PubMed research papers and a good knowledge of the body. > > > > Do I make soy my total protein source. NO. > > Do I use some naturally fermented soy products. YES. > > Has my postmenopausal wife found some benefit from soy. YES. > > > > Most of you protein comes from veggies and fish. > > > > As to the Okinawan's being my reference point. Yes they are a good living research lab but there > is extensive research > > data supporting beneficial effects from soy and very little the other way. Most of the negative web > sites use the same > > techniques as the oil seed barons used to kill off topical oils and butter. > > > > The soy question is a multi billion dollar war and in war everything is fair. > > ======================== > > Good health & long life, > > Greg Watson, > > http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 - " the desert_rat " <ron Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:16 AM Re: Soy > Hi Greg, > That is all well and good. > I just wish everyone would do the research and come to their own > conclusions. > It is interesting that of all of the research you have done you present > only that which bolsters your conclusions. Hi Ron, I have stated it is well known that soy may reduce intestinal uptake of iodine and that it may be wise to eat iodine rich sea fish with your soy. I have also stated I would not make soy my prime protein source and that the fermented version is what we should eat as this form reduces the digestion enzymes inhibitors in the raw soy beans. That said, any seeds, beans, nuts, etc meant to sprout and grow may contain digestive enzyme inhibitors and why folks single out soy as the single bad guy here is only another example of biased reporting. I still feel you would enjoy reading " The Okinawan Program " as there is a lot more than soy in their diet and lifestyle. They live very long, very active and very healthy lives. Just maybe we can learn something of value. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 - " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:39 PM Re: Soy > I don't know. To the best of my knowledge, this article was not bought and > paid for by the soybean industry, unless the author was hoodwinked by it. Hi Morton, There is a lot of data out there where the non fermented form of soy was used and the high level of digestion enzyme inhibitors was present and active. But the same can be said for nuts, seeds and other beans. Anything which was created to grow, has active digestive enzyme inhibitors which must be inactivated by soaking, heating or fermentation. Soy is not unique. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 - " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:52 PM Re: Soy > Hi > I am responding to each of the emails as I receive them, so I may say/ask something which will have been answered > later. > Can I assume that the soy I buy will have been fermented? If I buy raw soy beans, (do I really want to?) can I/how can > I ferment them myself? Hi Morton, I use tofu and not beans. Here is a good article with a view of both sides of the issue and is about where I stand on soy: http://www.prescription4health.com/articles/articles_print/RX4Health-article-002\ 8.htm SOY - Healthy Food or Dreaded Toxin? By Brian Sanderoff, P.D. Occasionally, the scientific evidence concerning a particular topic is so confounding, confusing and contradictory that it is nearly impossible to get to the truth of the matter. Often complicating the issue are the commercial concerns that have financial ties to one or the other of the viewpoints. I have found this fact to be most evident when it comes to the use of soy, either as a food or a medicine. First let's examine all of the supposed benefits of soy and soy foods. Soybeans contain an impressive array of phytochemicals (biologically active components derived from plants), the most interesting of which are known as isoflavones. These are the compounds that are being studied in relation to cancer prevention, relief of certain menopausal symptoms, slowing or reversing osteoporosis and reducing the risk of heart disease. Soybeans are also reported to be a vegetarian source of protein every bit equivalent to that of animal products, including dairy, eggs, fish, chicken and beef. In fact, the World Health Organization has established that " soy protein contains enough of all the essential amino acids to meet human requirements when consumed at recommended levels, and is equivalent to animal protein in quality. " The fats that are contained in soybeans are of the unsaturated variety and offer high levels of the essential fatty acids. Soybeans also contain high levels of minerals like calcium, iron and zinc. According to some studies, the consumption of soy foods is associated with protection from heart disease because of its effect on cholesterol. Soy lowers overall cholesterol levels, inhibits the oxidation of LDL cholesterol (the key to preventing clogging of the arteries) and enhances arterial flexibility. Additionally, soy can significantly reduce triglycerides and has the tendency to help increase HDL cholesterol, the good kind. According to a published report in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1995, regular dietary intake of soy products was associated with a 9.3% reduction in total cholesterol, a 12.9% reduction in LDL cholesterol and a 10.5% reduction in triglycerides. It also appears that the higher a person's cholesterol is the more that person will benefit from eating soy. The scientific data concerning eating soy and its effect on cardiovascular health appears to be so convincing that on October 26, 1999 the Federal Drug Administration issued the following health claim for soy protein. " 25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in saturated fats and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease. " Generally speaking, the FDA is very slow to accept and publicize health claims for natural products. One would assume that the scientific evidence must be truly convincing for the FDA to make such a bold statement. But the benefits of eating soy apparently do not stop there. Recent studies funded by the National Institutes of Health at major universities are showing that subjects who ate soy foods for several months showed increases in bone density. Part of the argument that soy is helpful in this area has to do with the relatively low incidence of osteoporosis and hip fractures in post-menopausal woman in Japan, where soy consumption is high. The phytochemicals contained in soy, although not estrogens, may have the same effect as estrogen in the body in regards to cholesterol and bone density. Thus, supplemental isoflavones offer a great alternative for post-menopausal woman without the inherent risks of estrogen replacement therapy. Soy isoflavones have been shown to be effective treatments for the hot flashes, night sweats and irritability associated with menopause. In fact, in Japan, there is no word for " hot flash. " Epidemiological studies examining dietary links to breast and prostate cancer have shown that increased soy consumption is associated with reduced risk. Again, people from Pacific Rim nations have higher soy consumption and lower rates of these cancers. Interestingly, people from these countries that emigrate to Western Cultures begin to increase their risk of these same cancers. This may be attributable to changes in diet, including less soy-based foods. Lastly, soy has been postulated as an excellent protein for people with kidney disease, including diabetics with related kidney damage. Studies have indicated that long-term consumption of soy proteins preserves the function of damaged kidneys considerably better than does animal protein. How much soy protein or soy isoflavones should be consumed to achieve these benefits? The FDA recommendation for the heart benefits is 25 grams of soy protein daily. That can easily be attained from a couple of veggie burgers or 3 cups of soymilk or a soy protein shake. This would usually supply 50mg to 75mg of isoflavones. Apparently, isoflavones are not stored in the body, and only stay in the body approximately 10 hours after consumption, so eating smaller portions throughout the day may be advisable. Now, let's explore the possible negative effects of consuming soy. Detractors feel that soy is not a complete protein and point out that all beans lack 2 essential amino acids, Cysteine and Methionine. Vegetarians that rely solely on soy for their protein may be lacking in these vital nutrients, building blocks for every human cell and enzyme in the body. Soy critics draw attention to the fact that soybeans, as provided by nature, are not suitable for human consumption. Only after fermentation for a while, or extensive processing, including chemical extractions and high temperatures, are the beans, or the soy protein isolate, able to be digested when eaten. A review of history reveals that soy, as a crop, was first used as a means of restoring nitrogen to the fields of other crops, and was used on a rotation basis to renew the soil, not as a food in and of itself. It is suggested that soybeans contain certain toxins that are negative factors concerning health. Soybeans reportedly contain high levels of digestive enzyme inhibitors that block the function of the pancreatic enzyme trypsin. This may possibly stop the digestion of the soy aw well as anything else that may be in the stomach at the same time. Soybeans also reportedly contain an " anti-nutrient " called phytic acid, as all beans do. However, soybeans have higher levels than any other legume. Phytic acid may block the absorption of certain minerals, including iron, magnesium, calcium and zinc. Epidemiological studies have shown that people in Third World Countries that have high consumption of grains and soy also commonly have deficiencies in these minerals. It is also noted that this may be of particular concern with regard to babies that are using soy based infant formulas. Other possible bothersome components of soy are hemagglutinin, a red blood cell clotting agent, and lysinoalanine, a known carcinogen. Supposedly, the extensive processing of the soybeans is designed to get rid of these toxins and purify the protein and oil. Extremely high temperatures and chemical extractions using such things as Hexane are some of the steps that are required to get the soybean oil that is used in margarines and other prepared foods. Of course, this is a hydrogenated fat that is not at all healthy. The soy protein isolates are then sort of gathered as an afterthought, they were previously a wasted byproduct that now end up as a part of veggies burgers, soy crumbles, soy protein bars, etc. And, of course, there is the issue of the genetically modified (GM) soybeans that are commonly grown the world over. These have been modified genetically in order to better withstand droughts, certain infestations and certain pesticides that are used on soy crops. In other words, these are super beans that are easier to grow and hardier, to ensure better crop yields. Naturally, if you are a farmer, this sounds like a pretty good idea, and I have had discussions with farmers that tell me that it is nearly impossible to obtain non-GM soybean seeds these days. However, many people feel that consuming food from genetically modified organisms is untested and may carry potential long-term health risks. Lastly, detractors also point out that epidemiological studies of Japanese people, who consume higher amounts of soy, show that they have a higher incidence of certain cancers, including stomach, pancreas and liver cancers. So how do we rectify these conflicting data and get to the truth? Usually, the first question I ask is. " Where is the money? Who has something to be gained from one side or the other? " Of course, with the soy issue, there does not seem to be an easy answer here either. and that's because there appear to be strong financial incentives on both sides of the argument. Who has something to gain from the consumption of soy? Perhaps companies like Monsanto that produce the genetically modified soybean seeds. Or companies like Cargill Foods or SoyLife that produce countless soy-based foods. Or soybean councils in numerous states, including Maryland, that represent farmers who grow this new, emerging bumper crop. And, of course, all of the companies that are constructing factories all over the world to do the processing necessary to make soybeans edible. Who would have a financial tie to the proliferation of all of the bad press in relation to soy? For starters, there is the medical industry, including the drug companies, which would rather be able to treat health issues like heart disease or cancer with drugs and surgeries instead of finding a simple cure that could be obtained from the grocery store. Or the meat and dairy industries that do not like to see market share lost to soy-based foods. So, the questions remain. Is soy a viable food? Is it good for you or bad for you? Should it be used as the sole source of dietary protein? Does it protect you from cancer or promote cancer? Some of these questions are impossible to answer at this point, only time and more experience will tell. However, there is a general rule of thumb that I like to follow with my diet, and you may wish to also, that should quell some concerns. First and foremost, there is the time-tested axiom known as " Brian's rule of Moderation and Variation. " Simply put, when it comes to a dietary source of any nutrient, you should have a wide variety of foods that give you that nutrient. It would be inadvisable to obtain all of your vitamin C from oranges alone. It is much better to get your vitamin C from other citrus fruits, from strawberries, from peppers and cabbage, etc. Your body better utilizes the varied sources and appreciates the other nutrients that come along with the diverse sources. The same is true of proteins. You should get proteins from diverse sources, including animal and vegetable. Eggs, fish and chicken are high quality sources of protein. Soy is a good source, especially when properly combined with rice or wheat or corn. Quinoa is a grain that, like foods of animal origin, offers a complete protein. Vegetarians, who do not consume animal products, might consider a whey shake to provide extra protein. In my practice I encounter many vegetarians that do not get enough protein and eventually begin to show it with decreased energy, organ dysfunction, and immune issues. If you do choose to consume soy-based foods, try to make sure that the soy is not from genetically modified seeds. Companies that produce " clean " soy are good about advertising that fact on the packaging of the product. You will see symbols indicating " GMO Free " somewhere on the label. As for supplementation of soy isoflavones in pill form. again, the jury is still out on this subject. Many of my patients use isoflavones from soy or from red clover as a treatment for menopausal symptoms with good success and seemingly few side effects or ill effects. However, the long-term use of this sort of supplement is still not adequately studied and may carry some unforeseen risk. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 - " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:46 PM Re: Soy > Greg > Thanks, but I am not sure what you mean by " inhibit soy enzyme bioactivity " ... " roasting may be beneficial " . > Please explain? Can soy beans be eaten raw? I guess, until further clarification, you advocate lightly roasting them. Hi Morton, Soy like all beans is meant to get into the ground and sprout a new plant. To help this occur, the bean contains high levels of digestive enzyme inhibitors and if eaten raw, will cause digestive discomfort, pass though quickly and may benefit from the other nutrients in the feces pile on the ground. Normally beans are soaked for 24 hours (or longer) to inhibit the enzyme inhibitors. Heating any foods denatures (unfolds) any protein structures, including enzymes and thus also helps to stop the inhibitors. I eat about 100 g (3 oz) of tofu 2 - 3 times a week. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Hi Morton, I, personally, do not consider Greg an enlightened person. But that besides the point. My point was, instead of contributing to the discussion about soy, Greg tried to imply that Ron wasn't being receptive to other ideas. I think it's a quatum leap from not agreeing with Greg to being closed minded and not having the ability/inclination to learn. BTW, my doctor cautioned me about the use of soy. I consider my doctor an enlightened, brillant person (he's a complementary physician). Pam Morton Bodanis <mortonmb wrote: Pam I see nothing condescending in Greg's response. He is suggesting, quite reasonably so, that Ron become a little more receptive to other ideas, especially when they are backed by credible evidence. Should every enlightened person be labelled as condescending? Morton Pamela Southall wrote: > > Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: > Hi Ron, > > <snip> I guess you can throw away any information that does not fit your view of the world. Living is about > learning and being constantly aware that we don't know all the answers. You can't learn without allowing new knowledge > to replace old. <snip> > > Greg, > > I think your posts would be better received if they weren't sometimes condescending. > > Just a suggestion, > > Pam > Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 - " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:15 PM Re: Soy > > Hi, Greg > > W O W! After all is said and done................ Hi Morton, I feel the isoflavones in soy are beneficial to Shirley and myself (we are both 55). However soy (tofu) is not a big part of our diet and most of the negatives are about those eating a lot or eating soy with active digestive enzyme inhibitors. Would I feed soy to young children? NO But then neither would I feed them breakfast cereal. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 - " Pamela Southall " <southallp Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:29 AM Re: Soy > BTW, my doctor cautioned me about the use of soy. I consider my doctor an enlightened, brillant person (he's a complementary physician). Hi Pam, I'm a Naturopath and unless you were postmenopausal, I too would caution you on the use of soy. However for postmenopausal women not wanting to go on HRT, the isoflavones in the moderate use of soy tofu (100 g (3 oz) x 3 per week) may be of benefit in modulating bone turnover hormonal unbalancing (osteoporosis). Likewise salmon (200 g (6 oz) x 2 times a week) may also be of value as not only will you get a good dose of Omega 3 EPA + DHA but also iodine to keep your thyroids working well. Soy is also not something I would suggest for children but then again I'm not a fan of breakfast cereal either. I treat soy like a supplement and like all supplements I treat them with respect, trying to understand both the negatives and positives. Overuse of any supplement can cause problems and also most supplements have interrelations and side effects. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Morton, What credible evidence? Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > Morton Bodanis > 2/18/2002 7:29:40 PM > Gettingwell > Re: Soy > > > > > > Pam > > I see nothing condescending in Greg's response. He is suggesting, quite > reasonably so, that Ron become a little more > > receptive to other ideas, especially when they are backed by credible evidence. Should every > enlightened person be > > labelled as condescending? > > Morton > > > > Pamela Southall wrote: > > > > > > > > Greg Watson wrote: > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > I guess you can throw away any information that does not fit your view of the > world. Living is about > > > learning and being constantly aware that we don't know all the answers. You can't learn without > allowing new knowledge > > > to replace old. > > > > > > Greg, > > > > > > I think your posts would be better received if they weren't sometimes condescending. > > > > > > Just a suggestion, > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 I don't know. To the best of my knowledge, this article was not bought and paid for by the soybean industry, unless the author was hoodwinked by it. Morton the desert_rat wrote: > Morton, > Have you read anything about soy that was not bought and paid for by the > soybean industry? > > Ron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 - " the desert_rat " <ron Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:05 PM Re: Soy > Morton, > What credible evidence? Hi Ron, Here are a few: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1823590 & dopt=Abstract Dietary intake of phytoestrogens is associated with a favorable metabolic cardiovascular risk profile in postmenopausal U.S.women: the Framingham study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1773506 & dopt=Abstract The inhibitory effect of soy protein isolate on atherosclerosis in mice does not require the presence of LDL receptors or alteration of plasma lipoproteins. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1710352 & dopt=Abstract Candidate foods in the asia-pacific region for cardiovascular protection: nuts, soy, lentils and Tempe. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1708310 & dopt=Abstract Cholesterol lowering benefits of soy and linseed enriched foods. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1701680 & dopt=Abstract High dietary phytoestrogen intake is associated with higher bone mineral density in postmenopausal but not premenopausal women. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1694655 & dopt=Abstract Soy for breast cancer survivors: a critical review of the literature http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1605103 & dopt=Abstract Eating soya improves human memory. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1603652 & dopt=Abstract Dietary effects on cardiovascular disease risk factors: beyond saturated fatty acids and cholesterol. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1603649 & dopt=Abstract The role of phytoestrogens in the prevention and treatment of osteoporosis in ovarian hormone deficiency. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1603644 & dopt=Abstract Soy isoflavones--benefits and risks from nature's selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 0702626 & dopt=Abstract Selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs): effects on multiple organ systems http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 1595123 & dopt=Abstract Effect of soy isoflavone supplementation on markers of oxidative stress in men and women. ======================== Good health & long life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Kevin I know a PhD doctor, quite well known, who believes that soy is perfectly safe, but I will apprize him of the deluge of responses to the contrary, try to compel him to read some of them, and respond. Morton Kevin Gagnon wrote: > Hello, > Who has more Credibility > Dr. Joseph Mercola VS Dr. Christopher Baldt ? This is what I ment about how every Doctor has there own research to back up there views, so I guess some one is right, or maybe they are all right but they just stretch the truth a little to much which makes it harder to understand the truth. > Kevin Gagnon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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