New Chart: Daily meridian cycle

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Yesterday, I wanted to see if there was a pattern between where each meridian ended and where the next one started and if there was a unique pattern. Without a doubt I found a unique pattern.

 

It turns out that where each meridian ends, another one starts around or at the same location. All meridians start and end in two of four places: the chest, hands, head or feet. Hence, the daily cycle is intimately tied to these specific areas

 

The following is a simple chart I've constructed illustrating a unique pattern of the daily cycle of meridian-organ energy throughout the body. I turned it into a picture which I've attached because if I tried to post the text it would'nt show correctly:

 

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thank you for these charts. does anyone have charts of all the points on the body that they can post here? also, can anyone reccommend schools , I have heard the International School of Acupuncture is good, but I would like to hear about others. I am currently going to a regular university but I plan on going to school for Traditional and acupuncture also. I want to go to a school with a degree program, but I do not know what questions to ask the schools or how to determine whether a school is "good" or not. I am incredibly interested in obtaining charts and diagrams to study in the meantime, but I am just as broke as I am interested, so e-mailed charts would be so excellent!

 

AND one more thing! I just found out about a program where Americans go to China to teach in an English immersion summer camp for kids. They give the teachers a tour around China, etc. I would recieve college credit to go. It is a three week program and it costs 1800. Does anybody know if there are grants and resourses for someone like me who wants to do this but has little money?( the program itself does not have scholarships) I have searched the internet, and will continue to do so, but thought I would ask here as well, to see if anyone has any ideas.

 

thank you very much,

 

Debby in Montana

 

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acupuncture New Chart: Daily meridian cycle

 

Yesterday, I wanted to see if there was a pattern between where each meridian ended and where the next one started and if there was a unique pattern. Without a doubt I found a unique pattern.

 

It turns out that where each meridian ends, another one starts around or at the same location. All meridians start and end in two of four places: the chest, hands, head or feet. Hence, the daily cycle is intimately tied to these specific areas

 

The following is a simple chart I've constructed illustrating a unique pattern of the daily cycle of meridian-organ energy throughout the body. I turned it into a picture which I've attached because if I tried to post the text it would'nt show correctly:

 

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Also has aspects relevant to the six levels of shan han lun and is rather

old fashioned than new.

Greetings Karl-Stephan

 

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Well, new to me : )

I just thought it'd be nice to point it out to people who aren't yet aquainted with meridian-element theory. Open them up a bit...

 

"six levels of shan han lun..."

....please elaborate. Is there an english term for this?

 

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In a message dated 04/11/2001 7:21:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

<< I encourage students and professionals to please talk about your

discoveries

and areas of interest on here because it's helping people to learn more.

That includes helping me to learn more too.

>>

 

Ok you asked! ....... I am a student.

 

I am currently reading Li Dong-yuan's Treatise on the Spleen & Stomach. I am

on Book I, Chapter Two. This past week I have been trying to figure out the

table on pgs. 13-14 in regards to the tastes and the seasons. It states:

 

" (A) Sour drains, acrid supplements; spring pulse: bowstring; liver in

humans; warm (medicinals) supplement and cool drain; together with the

gallbladder (reflected) at the left guan. "

 

" (B) Salty supplements and sweet drains; summer pulse: surging; the heart in

humans; hot (medicinals) supplement and cold drain; together with the small

intestine (reflected) at the left cun. "

 

" © Sweet supplements and bitter drains; long summer pulse: slow and

moderate; the spleen and stomach in humans; (reflected) at the right guan;

cool, cold and warm (medicinals) as well as supplementation and drainage

(should be prescribed) in accordance with (natural) inclinations. "

 

" (D) Sour supplements and acrid drains; autumn pulse: hairy and surging; the

lungs in humans; cool (medicinals) supplement and warm drain; together with

the large intestine (reflected) at the right cun. "

 

" (E) Salty drains and bitter supplements; winter pulse: deep and stonelike:

the kidneys in humans; cold (medicinals) supplement and hot drain; together

with the large intestine and urinary bladder (reflected) at both chi. "

 

 

I am very deficient in general ... but all of my excesses seem to be in Earth

and Metal (Stomach and Lung). I have been experimenting:

 

I was doing very well this past winter and one of the herbs that seemed to

help me the most was astragalus. Upon arrival of spring ... I gradually

noticed my conditions taking a turn for the worse. Astragalus targets Lung

and Spleen and has a warm energy. Hot drains in the winter and although

astragalus is not hot .... it's warm and is the opposite cold which

supplements during those months.

 

What I find that is helping me now is soymilk. Soymilk seemed to worsen my

conditions this past winter. I was really finding that anything too cooling

was creating symptoms of stomach heat and was dumbfounded. Cool drains in

the spring (paragragh A). Soymilk targets Spleen and Lung.

 

If I eat foods or take herbs now that are warming to the Spleen or Lung, I

consistently have been experiencing stagnation symptoms of flank pain and a

lump in my throat. I was thriving on these foods just a few months (if that)

ago.

 

Sour drains in the spring and targets the Liver. I am very deficient in

Liver Blood. I was curious and ate some sour foods (strawberries, lemon

water), took a mix of licorice, white peony (bitter sour, cool) and bitter

orange (bitter, sour, cool) and took a vitamin C tablet. Well yes! Sour

indeed drains from the Liver in the spring. I was a mess. My vision became

very blurry and I was dizzy. I counteracted the formula and foods and

reverted as quickly as I declined.

 

Point of the story? Just tidbits to help illustrate the elemental forces

around us. I have much to learn but the above table has been a tremendous

help to me.

 

Lynn

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>The following is a simple chart I've constructed illustrating a unique

>pattern of the daily cycle of meridian-organ energy throughout the body. I

>turned it into a picture which I've attached because if I tried to post the

>text it would'nt show correctly:

 

Thanks for posting this.

 

For those new to TCM, each meridian and Organ system has a time of day of

maximum emphasis, and this can be diagnostic. For example, the time between

roughly 3 and 5 am is the time of the Lung. If someone is waking up every

morning between 3 and 5 am, having bad dreams during this time period,

feeling fear during this time period, etc., this may indicate imbalance in

the Lungs. Also, this is why some of the worst asthma attacks tend to take

place during the middle of the night during this time period. (In some

cases a person may have breathing problems worsen any time during the night

because the person is sensitive to Cold and Yang Deficient.)

 

The time for the Stomach is between 7 and 9 am. One of the possible symptoms

of Stomach Qi Deficiency is that the person will wake up tired in the

morning and or will feel tired and even sleepy after eating during this time

period or the 9 to 11 am time period (the Spleen). (Actually, feeling

sleepy any time during the day after eating can be a symptom of Spleen Qi

Deficiency. The Stomach and the Spleen are the two systems most having to

do with digestion.)

 

Not only can being aware of these time tables help in diagnosis, in a few

cases they can help in treatment. You won't run across this often, but in a

few cases the time of day of treatment is going to be a factor in rather or

not the treatment is successful.

 

This table also follows the Elements. For those new to TCM who just signed

onto the list and are unfamiliar with Element theory, I won't go into it too

much in this post. Briefly, Organs and meridians can be classified

according to Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, or Water. I know this sounds really

esoteric and bizarre, but this approach sometimes can help with diagnosis

and treatment. These are different styles or qualities of energy. For

example, Wood is predominate in the spring. This is a time of year marked

by an incredible push to establish things. Tiny seedlings are pushing their

way out of the earth to become established. A lot of animals are being

pushed from the womb during the spring birthing season. People are tired of

the inactivity and being indoors of winter, the most Yin time of the year,

the Water season, and they want to get out and do things. Play ball, visit

with others, be active. It's a time of rising Yang. People who are very

" pushy " , who have a lot of problems with anger, who have " boundary " issues,

etc. usually will imbalances in Wood - the Liver or the Gall Bladder.

 

The Liver is Yin Wood, and the Gall Bladder is Yang Wood. Their times of

maximum emphasis during the day is Gall Bladder from roughly 11 pm to 1 am,

and Liver from 1 am to 3 am.

 

The Lungs are Yin Metal, and the Large Intestine is Yang Metal. Their times

are 3 to 5 am, Lungs, and 5 to 7 am, Large Intestine. People with Metal

imbalances frequently will have grief issues and " letting go " issues.

 

The Stomach is Yang Earth, and the Spleen is Yin Earth. And so on.

 

Some TCM courses and schools don't teach the Element approach. I'm in favor

of learning about the Element theory because sometimes it can provide a

little extra diagnostic and treatment skill than can make the difference

between a totally successful outcome and a partially successful outcome or

even failure in treatment.

 

Element theory has a lot to say about psychological states, but it's not

limited to that. It also can be very helpful when it comes to physical

symptoms. When I was just starting out in TCM, asking the herbalist all the

questions I could, reading every book I could find, I became familiar with

Element theory early on. I cautiously was experimenting with acupressure to

help myself. I was using Element theory to figure out points to try. I was

successful. Much later I learned that some of the acupoints I figured out

using Element theory were known points for some of the problems I had.

 

Element theory can be very helpful. It can provide an extra level of skill.

Like so many of the TCM concepts, the concepts and terminology can sound

very bizarre at first to Westerners. But it does all fit together, and most

important, it works.

 

For those very new to TCM, Yang warms and activates; Yin cools and calms.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

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>Also has aspects relevant to the six levels of shan han lun and is rather

>old fashioned than new.

 

There are readers on here who are brand new to TCM as well as formal

students in apprendiceship programs and TCM schools as well as

professionals.

 

The people new to TCM are benefiting greatly from being able to hear

students and professionals discuss things. It can be compared to the old

one-room school houses where students often advanced far more rapidly than

they would have because they got to hear the material that older students

were working on. It also can be compared to team-taught courses where there

are several teachers passing on information, and as a result, more knowledge

is being passed. Also, sometimes a person can hear something from just one

person, and it doesn't stick or make sense. But when they hear it from a

second or third person, worded in different ways, all of a sudden it makes

sense and they absorb it and can apply it.

 

I encourage students and professionals to please talk about your discoveries

and areas of interest on here because it's helping people to learn more.

That includes helping me to learn more too.

 

The reason I frequently will further discuss topics in a post is to further

explain some of the concepts to those new to TCM and to reinforce that the

information is important. Very often learning depends on repetition and

emphasis.

 

I have some personal reasons for wanting to see as many people as possible

become familiar with TCM and its concepts. TCM often works when nothing

else will work. I know from personal experience. I also know that even if

readers new to TCM don't go on to become formal TCM students or

professionals, they're gaining greatly by becoming familiar with the

concepts and terminology. If they ever consult a TCM healer, they're going

to be in a far better position to work with the healer than they otherwise

would be. Taking a case history from someone familiar with TCM and taking a

case history from someone unfamiliar with TCM can be very, very different.

The person who is familiar with TCM will know to mention things that one

wouldn't mention to a Western doctor.

 

I know that one of the things that most impressed me about TCM in the

beginning was all the symptoms I had that aren't even symptoms in Western

medicine, but are spelled out exactly in TCM. Things like hating the winter

and doing better during the summer. Noticing that breathing problems were

the worst when I also was having to go to the bathroom a lot to urinate

(clear urine).

 

I've noticed this with other people as well. What really gets their

attention is when TCM spells out problems that they know they're having but

that Western medicine either ignores when it doesn't have an answer or

doesn't even consider to be symptoms.

 

I don't want to unfairly put down Western medicine. Western medicine is

better for some things than TCM. But TCM is better for other things,

especially many chronic conditions. When both are combined, the whole often

is greater than the sum of the parts.

 

Also, people who are familiar with TCM concepts and terminology are more

likely to seek help from a TCM healer than someone who is unfamiliar with

TCM. They've already gone through the " this sounds really weird " phase to

" there may be something to this and it's starting to make sense and fit

together " to " maybe it can help me " . And it often can help people.

 

Victoria

 

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Shan Han Lun is a classic of chinese medicine describing the progression of

the pathogenic factor cold into the body. It's about epidemic fevers and

common cold.

A whole lot of classic receipies in come from the shan han

lun and it is regarded as one of the most important classics next to the Nei

Jing and Nan Jing which are the classics of the Yellow Emporer and the

Comment of the Classic of the Yellow Emporer.

Try to find hints about the 6 levels (I'm not sure if this is the commonly

used english term) in your textbooks, they should have at least some.

The levels are from the outside to the inside:

1) Tai Yang (great Yang): Bladder and Small intestine Meridian: If cold is

here you'll experiance aching of the body espicially back and head; aversion

to cold, superficial pulse and so on. The first stage of a comming cold.

2) Shao Yang (Lesser Yang): Gallbladder and Tripple Burner

3) Yang Ming (Splendor Yang): Stomach and large Intestine

4) Tai Yin (Great Yin): Spleen and Lung

5) Yue Yin (???): Pericard and Liver

6) Shao Yin (Lesser Yin): Kidney and heart

Since a cycle is performed some also sort the Yue Yin after the Shao Yin

hence the Yue Yin is more superficial but nevertheless in the cycle the last

level.

For further information see Pirog: Meridian Style Acupuncture

Also you could keep an eye on the Japanese Kampo Medicine wich is almost

entirely based on Shan Han Lun.

Good luck!

 

> Well, new to me : )

> I just thought it'd be nice to point it out to people who aren't yet

> aquain

> ted with meridian-element theory. Open them up a bit...

>

> " six levels of shan han lun... "

> ...please elaborate. Is there an english term for this?

>

>

 

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Akupunktur und Kräuterheilkunde

 

Heilpraktiker Karl-Stephan Neufeldt

Florastr. 95

13187 Berlin-Pankow

Tel: 480960-30

Fax: 480960-32

Mail:kneufeldt

www.sheng-hua.de

 

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Well, new to me : )

I just thought it'd be nice to point it out to people who aren't yet aquainted with meridian-element theory. Open them up a bit...

 

"six levels of shan han lun..."

....please elaborate. Is there an english term for this?

 

 

 

 

 

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>Shan Han Lun is a classic of chinese medicine describing the progression of

>the pathogenic factor cold into the body. It's about epidemic fevers and

>common cold.

 

Thanks for a very good explanation of the Shan Han Lun.

 

I'm going to emphasize some things for those new to TCM.

 

Another translation for this is Cold-Induced Evils. This was an early theory

in Chinese medicine for dealing with colds and flu-like Evils. Typically,

there are 6 stages (or levels) that a cold or the flu will pass through.

Why is knowing these stages important? Any of you who have decocted herbal

teas for yourselves have learned that decocting a tea or preparing other

herbal rememdies can be time consuming. For one thing, you have to let the

herbs soak in water and then cook them. Some herbal teas require hours of

cooking time.

 

What is appropriate for one stage of a cold or the flu will make a person

sicker during another stage. For example, in TaiYang Chill, you want to

promote sweating, but this is a no-no in TaiYang Wind and in other stages.

A lot of bitter, cold herbs typically are used to treat the Yang stages

which are characterized by fever, but are contraindicated for the Yin

stages.

 

By the time an herbalist gets the herbs prepared for one stage, the client

may have passed to another stage in which the herbs are inapproriate.

Knowledge of the 6 Stages of Cold-Induced Evils allows herbalists to know

what might be needed and prepare it ahead of time so it's ready when the

client enters that stage. It's a part of being able to effective treat in

the present.

 

Chinese medicine has a long history of practicality and being able and

willing to adapt to changing situations and needs. When the world began to

shrink because of increased travel between countried, China began to

experience epidemics for which the Cold-Induced Evils model was ineffective.

These new diseases were not Cold-Induced Evils but had Heat as a Root.

The old model was ineffective with these, so developed the

model of Virulent Heat Evils. These new Heat Evils were so virulent that

they were able to overwhelm the Righteous Qi of even healthy people.

 

>The levels are from the outside to the inside:

>1) Tai Yang (great Yang): Bladder and Small intestine Meridian: If cold is

>here you'll experiance aching of the body espicially back and head;

>aversion

>to cold, superficial pulse and so on. The first stage of a comming cold.

 

Even though these stages usually are talked about when it comes to colds and

the flu, you'll often see this progression with other medical problems. A

few weeks ago we had a discussion on here about Cold and Wind invading the

Bladder channel, and how this can be the Root of some very severe occipital

headaches. Add in some TMJ pain if the Small Intestine meridian also is

invaded.

 

All the merdians are more Exterior than the Organs, but the Bladder and the

Small Intestine meridians are the most Exterior of the meridians. When a

person is exposed to a Pernicious Evil and the Protective Qi isn't strong

enough to overcome it, these most Exterior meridians are going to be the

first ones hit. As long as the Evil is still confined to the Bladder and

the Small Intestine meridian, it's still completely Exterior. But if the

person doesn't get proper treatment for that state, the Evil begins to move

inward and affect other meridians and in time even Organs.

 

>2) Shao Yang (Lesser Yang): Gallbladder and Tripple Burner

>3) Yang Ming (Splendor Yang): Stomach and large Intestine

>4) Tai Yin (Great Yin): Spleen and Lung

>5) Yue Yin (???): Pericard and Liver

 

It's also spelled Jue Yin. For those new to TCM, the reason you encounter

so many different spellings of TCM terms is because Chinese is not an

alphabet-written language. It uses idiograms or stylized pictures of

concepts. And China is a large country with a lot of dialects. For example,

the Chinese character for Yin is made up of a symbol for a mound or hill and

a cloud - the shady side of a hill. (Yin cools and calms, is dark, etc. The

character for Yang is made up of the character for a hill or mound plus the

character for the sun and the characters for the sun and the sun over the

horizon - the sunny side of a hill. Yang heats and activates and is light.

This is also why TCM terminology often is both poetic and literal at the

same time. When TCM refers to the common cold as " Wind Chill " the term is

both poetic and literal. Wind Chill (or Wind Heat) is the Root of the

common cold.

 

One thing which confuses many beginners is that Cold-Induced Evils have

fever as a symptom - at least in the Yang stages. The difference between

Cold-Induced Evils and Virulent Heat Evils is the strenght of the pathogen

and the end stage. Cold-Induced Evils can be avoided by people who are

healthy and have strong Protective Qi. Very often people who come down with

the common cold and even the flu are people who are run down. The Virulent

Heat Evils can overwhelm even the strongest Protective Qi. They're

virulent.

 

The Cold-Induced Evils start out with fever in the Yang stages but can

evolve into no fever and the person feeling cold or the person having mixed

heat and cold sensations. The fever associated with Virulent Heal Evils gets

worse and worse.

 

There are a lot of similarities and overlaps between many Cold-Induced Evils

and Virulent Heat Evils. Some cases of flu behave more like Virulent Heat

Evils than Cold-Induced Evils. Sometimes a stage of an Evil can be defined

using either a Cold-Induced stage or a Virulent Heat level. The important

thing is that the treatment works regardless of which description is used.

 

Don't worry about remembering all this now. The important thing for

beginners is the idea that Pernicious Evils and pathogens attack the

Exterior first and can move inward. They follow certain patterns (though it

is possible for stages to be skipped or gone back to). The TaiYang stage is

the first of the Cold-Induced Evils stages and for Pernicious Evils. This

is the Greater Yang stage and involves the Bladder and Small Intestine

merdians. The Evil is still completely Exterior in this stage. Never

underestimate how painful and how debilitating TaiYang involvement can be.

Review the symptoms Karl-Stephan listed for TaiYang because these are going

to be very important when you start to put all this together. You'll learn

that whenever someone has headache, muscular aches and pains, pains in the

neck and limbs, to first suspect and rule in or rule out " Exterior " , Bladder

and Small Intestine meridian involvement. There are a number of acupoints

on the Bladder and Small Intestine merdians that can help in these cases.

Acupoints that can help aren't restricted to these two meridians when it

comes to colds and flus or to headaches caused by Wind and/or Cold in the

Bladder and Small Intestine meridians, but it is possible to find points on

these two that will help when the Evil is in the TaiYang.

 

Inducing sweating is the correct treatment when the Evil is TaiYang-stage

Chill. Cold causes pores to close. The Cold builds up in the body and

turns to Heat. Opening the pores is the correct treatment for allowing this

Heat to escape. You want the pores open and the the Protective Qi on the

body surface, circulating to repel the Cold Evil.

 

Do NOT induce seating if it is TaiYang-stage Wind because Wind can cause the

pores to open. The person already may be sweating too much. Sweating

depletes the body. The Protective Qi already is defiecient. Inducing more

sweating is going to weaken it further. The problem that needs to be

addressed is a disharmony between the Protective Qi and the Nutritive Qi.

 

As the Pernicious Evil moves inward, sweating will no longer be enough to

get rid of the Heat which has developed from trapped Cold. If the Evil has

reached the YangMing-stage Organ Evil, constipation is a problem, and

bitter, cold and purgative herbs may be needed.

 

TCM recognizes that something can turn into its opposite. Cold can become

Heat, Yin can become Yang, Yang can become Yin, Dampness can give rise to

Dryness, and so on.

 

>6) Shao Yin (Lesser Yin): Kidney and heart

>Since a cycle is performed some also sort the Yue Yin after the Shao Yin

>hence the Yue Yin is more superficial but nevertheless in the cycle the

>last

>level.

 

For those new to TCM, the further an Evil is able to invade into the

Interior, the more serious it becomes. The harder it can be to get rid of

too. Both ShaoYin-stage (Lesser Yin) and JueYin-stage (Absolute Yin) are

very serious.

 

>For further information see Pirog: Meridian Style Acupuncture

>Also you could keep an eye on the Japanese Kampo Medicine wich is almost

>entirely based on Shan Han Lun.

 

Thanks for the suggestions.

 

Victoria

 

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