Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2007 I too would like to know how MSM caused your friend's seizures. I take approximately 1 tsp per day with no ill effects, nor have I ever heard of any. Was it some sort of allergic reaction? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2007 My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. Jenny Kernan --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote: > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine > > thought she would do better with more...more isn't > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with > > seizures. Less is definitely better. > > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > that?? was you friend on pain > meds? > > > medusa > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2007 how much did your friend take?? for someone to spend a week in the hospital because of msm sounds very unusual provided she had no kidney or liver problems. . medusa - " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:58 PM Re: MSM > My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than > taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > > Jenny Kernan > > --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote: > >> > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the >> > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side >> > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine >> > thought she would do better with more...more isn't >> > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with >> > seizures. Less is definitely better. >> >> Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes >> that?? was you friend on pain >> meds? >> >> >> medusa >> >> >> >********************************************* > Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- > > HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative measure to take for > many ailments at: > > http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm > __________ > > -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address > in an email to them: > > http://health./subs_invite > > _________ > To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: > > http://health./links > > ___________ > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > _______ > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://health. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2007 Could it have been another case where a doctor doesn't know what is wrong so he blames it on whatever alternative supplement the patient has taken? What is MSM anyway? MSM stands for methylsulfonylmethane, which sounds pretty chemical and not very natural. I've only heard good things about it; the benefits are supposed to come from the sulfur in it. But what is it and where does it come from? Linda Linda Bumpas Light Beam Expressions Web Design Services to Help Your Light Shine Linda medusa569 <medusa569 Thursday, February 1, 2007 7:19:36 AM Re: MSM how much did your friend take?? for someone to spend a week in the hospital because of msm sounds very unusual provided she had no kidney or liver problems. . medusa - " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana > <> Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:58 PM Re: MSM > My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than > taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > > Jenny Kernan > > --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: > >> > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the >> > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side >> > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine >> > thought she would do better with more...more isn't >> > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with >> > seizures. Less is definitely better. >> >> Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes >> that?? was you friend on pain >> meds? >> >> >> medusa >> >> >> >************ ********* ********* ********* ****** > Peacefulmind. com Sponsors Alternative Answers- > > HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative measure to take for > many ailments at: > > http://www.peaceful mind.com/ ailments. htm > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _____ > > -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address > in an email to them: > > http://health. groups.. com AlternativeAnswe rs/subs_invite > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ____ > To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: > > http://health. groups.. com AlternativeAnswe rs/links > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ ______ > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: - owner@ s.com > ____________ _________ _________ _________ __ > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://health. groups.. com AlternativeAnswe rs > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2007 .....Or the doctor had no explanation and made MSM the fall guy. One of my sources states, " MSM is rated as one of the least toxic substances in biology, similar to water. Common table salt is much more toxic than MSM. The lethal dose of MSM for mice is over 20 grams per kilogram of body weight. By comparison, common table salt is toxic at 2.5 grams per kilogram of body weight. " " The Forgotten Nutrient MSM, " Health Learning Handbook by Beth M. Ley. Priscilla On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Jenny Kernan wrote: > My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than > taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > > > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the > > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side > > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine > > > thought she would do better with more...more isn't > > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with > > > seizures. Less is definitely better. > > > > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > > that?? was you friend on pain > > meds? > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2007 I don't know how much she took! All I know is she was told she had overdosed on MSM. She spent a week in the hospital having seisures from it. SO rather than to keep asking me how much she took...listen to the suggestion that to take more than the recommended dose on the bottle is dangerous. Jenny Kernan --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote: > how much did your friend take?? for someone to spend > a week in the hospital > because of msm sounds very unusual provided she had > no kidney or liver > problems. . > > medusa > > > - > " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana > > Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:58 PM > Re: MSM > > > > My friend took too much simple as that. Rather > than > > taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > > hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > > > > Jenny Kernan > > > > --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote: > > > >> > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the > >> > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side > >> > effects when too much is taken. A friend of > mine > >> > thought she would do better with more...more > isn't > >> > better with this one. She ended up in the ER > with > >> > seizures. Less is definitely better. > >> > >> Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > >> that?? was you friend on pain > >> meds? > >> > >> > >> medusa > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************* > > Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- > > > > HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative > measure to take for > > many ailments at: > > > > http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm > > __________ > > > > -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy > and paste this address > > in an email to them: > > > > > http://health./subs_invite > > > > _________ > > To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative > Answers please Go to: > > > > > http://health./links > > > > ___________ > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: > - > > Un: > - > > List owner: > -owner > > _______ > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > http://health. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2007 No it was not an allergic reaction. If the supplement recommends 1 tsp a day then take 1 tsp a day. She was taking more than that. Yes you can have liver and kidney issues with too much MSM. Jenny Kernan --- Bevacqui <etain369 wrote: > I too would like to know how MSM caused your > friend's seizures. I take > approximately 1 tsp per day with no ill effects, nor > have I ever heard of > any. Was it some sort of allergic reaction? > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2007 I would tend to concur with the likely limited info given. While it is nice to share info with other people it is also equally import to share specific accurate info to fully appreciate. The only time when MSM can be problematic is when one take higher does such as 8-12 GRAMS dosage. This is a great amount and I find it hard to believe any reasonably intelligent person took that much in trying a new substance. This rules out the initial reaction when one might be allergic to a substance or the patient is taking an MAO inhibitor. When one is taking a psychotropic there are some interactions with a few " natural substances " . It is also not commonly mentioned on web pages about the antagonism of MSM with pain medicines. When one takes too much MSM given the amount of pain meds one can go through the extreme body seizing and shakes that is a marker for withdrawal symptoms. This convulsing is both scary and I'm sure unexpected for many patients if they are warned about it to possible expect it in their MSM titration and know how to stop and deal with it. I'm suspecting that this may have been the case but as it has been mentioned the dr. didn't know the true sense of what was going on. I'd really like to see the EEG from her admittance. But the truer story will show by how she was treated. MSM and its cheaper alternative methionine is a GREAT adjunct for pain therapy and I always recommend it however I am responsible enough to offer the warnings of both its negative ramifications if not taken with folic acid and the interactions with pains meds. medusa - " thealingadventur " <thealingadventur Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:10 PM Re: MSM > ....Or the doctor had no explanation and made MSM the fall guy. > One of my sources states, " MSM is rated as one of the least toxic > substances in biology, > similar to water. Common table salt is much more toxic than MSM. The > lethal > dose of MSM for mice is over 20 grams per kilogram of body weight. By > comparison, common > table salt is toxic at 2.5 grams per kilogram of body weight. " > " The Forgotten Nutrient MSM, " Health Learning Handbook by Beth M. > Ley. > Priscilla > On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Jenny Kernan wrote: > >> My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than >> taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the >> hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. >> > >> > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the >> > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side >> > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine >> > > thought she would do better with more...more isn't >> > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with >> > > seizures. Less is definitely better. >> > >> > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes >> > that?? was you friend on pain >> > meds? >> > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2007 Highly doubt that as her blood was tested TOXIC for MSM....so the solution here would be to be cautious and careful with your supplements. Yes they can cause damage and toxicity if too much is taken, you are sensitive or allergic etc. As with all supplements, not just MSM. Anything in excess can cause problems. --- thealingadventur <thealingadventur wrote: > ....Or the doctor had no explanation and made MSM > the fall guy. > One of my sources states, " MSM is rated as one of > the least toxic > substances in biology, > similar to water. Common table salt is much more > toxic than MSM. The > lethal > dose of MSM for mice is over 20 grams per kilogram > of body weight. By > comparison, common > table salt is toxic at 2.5 grams per kilogram of > body weight. " > " The Forgotten Nutrient MSM, " Health Learning > Handbook by Beth M. > Ley. > Priscilla > On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Jenny Kernan wrote: > > > My friend took too much simple as that. Rather > than > > taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > > hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > > > > > > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than > the > > > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant > side > > > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of > mine > > > > thought she would do better with more...more > isn't > > > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER > with > > > > seizures. Less is definitely better. > > > > > > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > > > that?? was you friend on pain > > > meds? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 3, 2007 I have been taking MSM for almost ten years as a replacement for Neurontin. In all that time I have had limited problems, and only when I deviated from my favorite " brand name " . It seems the stuff is available at the big outlets, and cheaper than what I had been paying for my " favorite " , but after noticing problems arose after taking the cheaper stuff, I noted they went away fairly quickly after getting back to my favorite. Little problems, like itching, failure to " work " , nothing big like seizures for sure. Could it be the brand the friend used was at least part of the problem? Some of the reports I had seen on the ones that gave me problems noted at least one brand was reported as " cutting " their MSM with silicon, so might impurities play a role? I am up to 6000 mg./day on MSM without any side affects, but the pain stays away, and I don't have the fear of developing suicidal tendencies like I'd heard with all the law suits condeming the Neurontin....as far as a recommended dosage, the stuff I take doesn't have one shown on the bottle...its more like a vague suggestion...great huh? And drink water when you start on it. Flushing the system is important when starting on it. As far as doctors and MSM, I have been to three specialists in the neurology, oncology and cardiology departments, and NONE of them had ever heard of the stuff, but they all had plenty of other stuff from Pfiezer, and Plough, Merc, etc. Absolutely follow the recommended dosage. Work " with " it, and it should help. Jenny Kernan <rainysnana Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:58:13 PM Re: MSM My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. Jenny Kernan --- medusa569 <medusa569 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine > > thought she would do better with more...more isn't > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with > > seizures. Less is definitely better. > > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > that?? was you friend on pain > meds? > > > medusa > > > > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq {margin:4;} --> ______________________________\ ____ Cheap talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 3, 2007 Having read countless posts on many Health forums in the past few years I can say without hesitation: Out of all the adverse reactions to Nutritional supplements I have read; the most adverse reactions have to do with " MSM (dietary Sulphur) (The only ohter reacitons I've read of are due to *Niacin). I have read these side effects from regular people often due to MSM: " Nausea;stomach cramps; loss of appetite; dissiness; queasy feelings. AND YET BIOLOGICALLY SPEAKING *MSM* is one of the safest substances. So the only conclusion I can think of why adverse reactions to *MSM: 1. The storage of the MSM produces Rancid MSM; upsetting the stomach. 2. The source of the MSM is " impure; such as contaminants added. 3. It would be difficult to distinguish pure MSM from a " placebo. So my conclusion on MSM Clearly an improtant Mineral; buy best brand and use sparingly and above all Store the MSM in a cool dry place preferrably in Amber-glass. thanks. , Jenny Kernan <rainysnana wrote: > > I don't know how much she took! All I know is she was > told she had overdosed on MSM. She spent a week in the > hospital having seisures from it. SO rather than to > keep asking me how much she took...listen to the > suggestion that to take more than the recommended dose > on the bottle is dangerous. > > Jenny Kernan > > --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote: > > > how much did your friend take?? for someone to spend > > a week in the hospital > > because of msm sounds very unusual provided she had > > no kidney or liver > > problems. . > > > > medusa > > > > > > - > > " Jenny Kernan " <rainysnana > > > > Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:58 PM > > Re: MSM > > > > > > > My friend took too much simple as that. Rather > > than > > > taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > > > hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > > > > > > Jenny Kernan > > > > > > --- medusa569 <medusa569 wrote: > > > > > >> > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the > > >> > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side > > >> > effects when too much is taken. A friend of > > mine > > >> > thought she would do better with more...more > > isn't > > >> > better with this one. She ended up in the ER > > with > > >> > seizures. Less is definitely better. > > >> > > >> Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > > >> that?? was you friend on pain > > >> meds? > > >> > > >> > > >> medusa > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************* > > > Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- > > > > > > HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative > > measure to take for > > > many ailments at: > > > > > > http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm > > > __________ > > > > > > -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy > > and paste this address > > > in an email to them: > > > > > > > > > http://health./subs_invite > > > > > > _________ > > > To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative > > Answers please Go to: > > > > > > > > > http://health./links > > > > > > ___________ > > > > > > Post message: > > > Subscribe: > > - > > > Un: > > - > > > List owner: > > -owner > > > _______ > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > > http://health. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 3, 2007 Please take your folic acid every day along with msm> medusa - " onthemend1 " <onthemend1 Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:27 AM Re: MSM >I have been taking MSM for almost ten years as a replacement for Neurontin. >In all that time I have had limited problems, and only when I deviated from >my favorite " brand name " . It seems the stuff is available at the big >outlets, and ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2007 " Good tip on taking Folic Acid with the MSM(Dietary sulphur). I was wondering; you say you only had problems when you deviated from your regular brand. Can you tell of the MSM brand you used for our info? A. , " medusa569 " <medusa569 wrote: > > Please take your folic acid every day along with msm> > > > medusa > > > - > " onthemend1 " <onthemend1 > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:27 AM > Re: MSM > > > >I have been taking MSM for almost ten years as a replacement for Neurontin. > >In all that time I have had limited problems, and only when I deviated from > >my favorite " brand name " . It seems the stuff is available at the big > >outlets, and ....... > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2007 Hello my friend: Are you saying taking MSM with pain meds aggravates " seizures? What could possibly cause this. considering how many take pain meds; shouldn't there be a warning label on MSM not to take with Pain pill? I have never heard this; but it would explain the ladies' siezures. Why is Folic Acid so important to take with MSM? but not w/pain pills? , " medusa569 " <medusa569 wrote: > > I would tend to concur with the likely limited info given. While it is nice > to share info with other people it is also equally import to share specific > accurate info to fully appreciate. The only time when MSM can be > problematic is when one take higher does such as 8-12 GRAMS dosage. This is > a great amount and I find it hard to believe any reasonably intelligent > person took that much in trying a new substance. This rules out the initial > reaction when one might be allergic to a substance or the patient is taking > an MAO inhibitor. When one is taking a psychotropic there are some > interactions with a few " natural substances " . It is also not commonly > mentioned on web pages about the antagonism of MSM with pain medicines. When > one takes too much MSM given the amount of pain meds one can go through the > extreme body seizing and shakes that is a marker for withdrawal symptoms. > This convulsing is both scary and I'm sure unexpected for many patients if > they are warned about it to possible expect it in their MSM titration and > know how to stop and deal with it. I'm suspecting that this may have been > the case but as it has been mentioned the dr. didn't know the true sense of > what was going on. I'd really like to see the EEG from her admittance. But > the truer story will show by how she was treated. > > MSM and its cheaper alternative methionine is a GREAT adjunct for pain > therapy and I always recommend it however I am responsible enough to offer > the warnings of both its negative ramifications if not taken with folic acid > and the interactions with pains meds. > > medusa > > > - > " thealingadventur " <thealingadventur > > Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:10 PM > Re: MSM > > > > ....Or the doctor had no explanation and made MSM the fall guy. > > One of my sources states, " MSM is rated as one of the least toxic > > substances in biology, > > similar to water. Common table salt is much more toxic than MSM. The > > lethal > > dose of MSM for mice is over 20 grams per kilogram of body weight. By > > comparison, common > > table salt is toxic at 2.5 grams per kilogram of body weight. " > > " The Forgotten Nutrient MSM, " Health Learning Handbook by Beth M. > > Ley. > > Priscilla > > On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Jenny Kernan wrote: > > > >> My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than > >> taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > >> hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > >> > > > >> > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the > >> > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side > >> > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine > >> > > thought she would do better with more...more isn't > >> > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with > >> > > seizures. Less is definitely better. > >> > > >> > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > >> > that?? was you friend on pain > >> > meds? > >> > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2007 No ..I am not the poster that suggested there was any link with seizing and msm. That was Jenny. Although I have not had experience with such a reaction like that yet I will never say never. we do not know the brain chemical makeup of the person involved and as I said I'd like to see the EEG. My suspicion was that the " seizing " could have been the interaction with pain meds the patient might have been taking and for the unknowledgeable didn't realize the great muscle spasms that come with withdrawal can be mistaken for seizing. Many drs are not aware of this interaction..especially allopaths which are not taught outside of mainstream pharmas as a generally rule. Should there be a warning...well that might open a whole another debate and lead us down a path with the FDA we don't want to go. It should be on the heads of those that prescribe the substances and a similar responsibility of we that pass along those tidbits. I have come across about 4 different treatment modalities that interfere with pain meds and will cause withdrawal symptoms. An very unfortunate thing when one is looking for health wellness and has this obstacle to deal with but being forewarned and ready is better than ignorance. The purpose of the folic acid ( B6) is to prevent the negative effects of the homocysteine which will likely be built up and for many that are unaware is your homocystein levels that will help determine the likelihood of heart attack...not cholesterol. The chain of precursors go from msm ( or dmso) to methionine to homocysteine. Pain pills do not manufacture any homocysteine ( that I know of) so that threat does not exist. medusa - " Anne " <annroc2004 Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:13 AM Re: MSM > Hello my friend: > > Are you saying taking MSM with pain meds aggravates " seizures? > > What could possibly cause this. considering how many take pain meds; > shouldn't there be a warning label on MSM not to take with Pain pill? > > I have never heard this; but it would explain the ladies' siezures. > > Why is Folic Acid so important to take with MSM? but not w/pain pills? > , " medusa569 " > <medusa569 wrote: >> >> I would tend to concur with the likely limited info given. While it > is nice >> to share info with other people it is also equally import to share > specific >> accurate info to fully appreciate. The only time when MSM can be >> problematic is when one take higher does such as 8-12 GRAMS > dosage. This is >> a great amount and I find it hard to believe any reasonably > intelligent >> person took that much in trying a new substance. This rules out > the initial >> reaction when one might be allergic to a substance or the patient > is taking >> an MAO inhibitor. When one is taking a psychotropic there are some >> interactions with a few " natural substances " . It is also not > commonly >> mentioned on web pages about the antagonism of MSM with pain > medicines. When >> one takes too much MSM given the amount of pain meds one can go > through the >> extreme body seizing and shakes that is a marker for withdrawal > symptoms. >> This convulsing is both scary and I'm sure unexpected for many > patients if >> they are warned about it to possible expect it in their MSM > titration and >> know how to stop and deal with it. I'm suspecting that this may > have been >> the case but as it has been mentioned the dr. didn't know the true > sense of >> what was going on. I'd really like to see the EEG from her > admittance. But >> the truer story will show by how she was treated. >> >> MSM and its cheaper alternative methionine is a GREAT adjunct for > pain >> therapy and I always recommend it however I am responsible enough > to offer >> the warnings of both its negative ramifications if not taken with > folic acid >> and the interactions with pains meds. >> >> medusa >> >> >> - >> " thealingadventur " <thealingadventur >> >> Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:10 PM >> Re: MSM >> >> >> > ....Or the doctor had no explanation and made MSM the fall guy. >> > One of my sources states, " MSM is rated as one of the least toxic >> > substances in biology, >> > similar to water. Common table salt is much more toxic than MSM. > The >> > lethal >> > dose of MSM for mice is over 20 grams per kilogram of body > weight. By >> > comparison, common >> > table salt is toxic at 2.5 grams per kilogram of body weight. " >> > " The Forgotten Nutrient MSM, " Health Learning Handbook by > Beth M. >> > Ley. >> > Priscilla >> > On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Jenny Kernan wrote: >> > >> >> My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than >> >> taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the >> >> hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. >> >> >> > >> >> > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the >> >> > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side >> >> > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine >> >> > > thought she would do better with more...more isn't >> >> > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with >> >> > > seizures. Less is definitely better. >> >> > >> >> > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes >> >> > that?? was you friend on pain >> >> > meds? >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2007 Hi and thanks for the reply; what other Natural Treatments besides MSM do you know of that can interfere with pain-meds? Thanks for info on Homocystine being bad as opposed to Cholesterol. B12;Folic;and B6. , " medusa569 " <medusa569 wrote: > > > No ..I am not the poster that suggested there was any link with seizing and > msm. That was Jenny. Although I have not had experience with such a > reaction like that yet I will never say never. we do not know the brain > chemical makeup of the person involved and as I said I'd like to see the > EEG. > My suspicion was that the " seizing " could have been the interaction with > pain meds the patient might have been taking and for the unknowledgeable > didn't realize the great muscle spasms that come with withdrawal can be > mistaken for seizing. Many drs are not aware of this interaction..especially > allopaths which are not taught outside of mainstream pharmas as a generally > rule. Should there be a warning...well that might open a whole another > debate and lead us down a path with the FDA we don't want to go. It should > be on the heads of those that prescribe the substances and a similar > responsibility of we that pass along those tidbits. I have come across > about 4 different treatment modalities that interfere with pain meds and > will cause withdrawal symptoms. An very unfortunate thing when one is > looking for health wellness and has this obstacle to deal with but being > forewarned and ready is better than ignorance. The purpose of the folic > acid ( B6) is to prevent the negative effects of the homocysteine which > will likely be built up and for many that are unaware is your homocystein > levels that will help determine the likelihood of heart attack...not > cholesterol. The chain of precursors go from msm ( or dmso) to methionine to > homocysteine. Pain pills do not manufacture any homocysteine ( that I know > of) so that threat does not exist. > > > medusa > > > - > " Anne " <annroc2004 > > Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:13 AM > Re: MSM > > > > Hello my friend: > > > > Are you saying taking MSM with pain meds aggravates " seizures? > > > > What could possibly cause this. considering how many take pain meds; > > shouldn't there be a warning label on MSM not to take with Pain pill? > > > > I have never heard this; but it would explain the ladies' siezures. > > > > Why is Folic Acid so important to take with MSM? but not w/pain pills? > > , " medusa569 " > > <medusa569@> wrote: > >> > >> I would tend to concur with the likely limited info given. While it > > is nice > >> to share info with other people it is also equally import to share > > specific > >> accurate info to fully appreciate. The only time when MSM can be > >> problematic is when one take higher does such as 8-12 GRAMS > > dosage. This is > >> a great amount and I find it hard to believe any reasonably > > intelligent > >> person took that much in trying a new substance. This rules out > > the initial > >> reaction when one might be allergic to a substance or the patient > > is taking > >> an MAO inhibitor. When one is taking a psychotropic there are some > >> interactions with a few " natural substances " . It is also not > > commonly > >> mentioned on web pages about the antagonism of MSM with pain > > medicines. When > >> one takes too much MSM given the amount of pain meds one can go > > through the > >> extreme body seizing and shakes that is a marker for withdrawal > > symptoms. > >> This convulsing is both scary and I'm sure unexpected for many > > patients if > >> they are warned about it to possible expect it in their MSM > > titration and > >> know how to stop and deal with it. I'm suspecting that this may > > have been > >> the case but as it has been mentioned the dr. didn't know the true > > sense of > >> what was going on. I'd really like to see the EEG from her > > admittance. But > >> the truer story will show by how she was treated. > >> > >> MSM and its cheaper alternative methionine is a GREAT adjunct for > > pain > >> therapy and I always recommend it however I am responsible enough > > to offer > >> the warnings of both its negative ramifications if not taken with > > folic acid > >> and the interactions with pains meds. > >> > >> medusa > >> > >> > >> - > >> " thealingadventur " <thealingadventur@> > >> > >> Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:10 PM > >> Re: MSM > >> > >> > >> > ....Or the doctor had no explanation and made MSM the fall guy. > >> > One of my sources states, " MSM is rated as one of the least toxic > >> > substances in biology, > >> > similar to water. Common table salt is much more toxic than MSM. > > The > >> > lethal > >> > dose of MSM for mice is over 20 grams per kilogram of body > > weight. By > >> > comparison, common > >> > table salt is toxic at 2.5 grams per kilogram of body weight. " > >> > " The Forgotten Nutrient MSM, " Health Learning Handbook by > > Beth M. > >> > Ley. > >> > Priscilla > >> > On Jan 31, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Jenny Kernan wrote: > >> > > >> >> My friend took too much simple as that. Rather than > >> >> taking recommended dose. She spent a week in the > >> >> hospital and Dr. said she over dosed on MSM. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > > Caution with the MSM..Do not take more than the > >> >> > > recommended dose as it has very unpleasant side > >> >> > > effects when too much is taken. A friend of mine > >> >> > > thought she would do better with more...more isn't > >> >> > > better with this one. She ended up in the ER with > >> >> > > seizures. Less is definitely better. > >> >> > > >> >> > Seizures?? can you explain what in msm causes > >> >> > that?? was you friend on pain > >> >> > meds? > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
