Guest guest Posted January 10, 2002 Report Share Posted January 10, 2002 To try left St38 foward Bl57, right should 3 needles. When you finish the treatment, turn the St38 and move the right arm. Good Luck! Judy Hou In a message dated 1/10/2002 5:57:53 AM Central Standard Time, sunilbaroda writes: > Can any one tell me the pressure points for right side frozen > shoulder condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 I shall be overseas visiting Beijing University of . Returning to Middlesex 11th January 2002 following the visit to beijing. If you need urgent assistance in that time, then please contact Lyn Williamson (6591) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 frozen shoulder for a little over a year. >>>Dont you think this means it is not working? Perhaps a new approach alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 No, no she just came to me this week. She has been suffering from the shoulder for a year. I have not begun treating it with anything but accupressure. I was wondering if anyone on the list had used herbs for treating it? On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 08:28, alon marcus wrote: > frozen shoulder for a little over > a year. > >>>Dont you think this means it is not working? Perhaps a new approach > alon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Mark, My teacher called it 50 years old shoulder. I've had very good results using Tiaokou, Stomach 38. It's the fist point I use prior to addressing local shoulder points. In my experience, the patient must feel some form of sensation. I never tell the patient what I expect from stimulating this point just in case it does not work. However, I've only seen the point not yield good result once; the pt had bone cancer and did not know it. Once the patient feels a sensation on St.38, I ask them to move the shoulder in any fashion they choose. It's almost like magic. I then proceed to treat the shoulder. I think an important aspect of treatment for this condition is movement both passive and active, patient should be encouraged to move the shoulder. If you choose herbal rx consider including jiang huang on your prescription. Regards, ~Fernando In , Mark Milotay <mark@o...> wrote: > Hi List, > > I am treating a patient who has had a frozen shoulder for a little over > a year. I was wondering if any of you have treated this before, and what > herbs you've used? > > Thanks, > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 You didn't provide any other specifics - but when a shoulder is 'frozen' you often seen signs of Cold which leads to Blood stagnation etc... So, I like formulas that are warm and blood moving, like Shen Tong Zhu Yu Wan and you can add some envoys. 'They' say that Huang Qi is used for the right shoulder and Dang Gui is used for the left (which is often the shoulder women have this problem with). Has she been to the western docs? Frozen shoulder can have a lot of causes - blood clots, tumours, dislocations, etc etc.. I think the herbs will be a helpful adjunct, but you have to also use a lot of heat (TDP, moxa, etc), active stretching, acupuncture, etc. to get good results. Some cases spontaneously resolve themselves, but I don't know what %. Get in there and feel around; there's usually lots of tight bound up tissues / muscles involved pulling the shoulder out and adhesive tissue build up. Good luck, Geoff ______________________ Message: 23 Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:35:11 -0700 Mark Milotay <mark Re: Frozen Shoulder No, no she just came to me this week. She has been suffering from the shoulder for a year. I have not begun treating it with anything but accupressure. I was wondering if anyone on the list had used herbs for treating it? On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 08:28, alon marcus wrote: > frozen shoulder for a little over > a year. > >>>Dont you think this means it is not working? Perhaps a new approach > alon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Hi All, & Hi Fernando, Fernando wrote: > Mark, My teacher called it 50 years old shoulder. I've had very > good results using Tiaokou, Stomach 38. It's the fist point I use > prior to addressing local shoulder points. In my experience, the > patient must feel some form of sensation. I never tell the patient > what I expect from stimulating this point just in case it does not > work. However, I've only seen the point not yield good result > once; the pt had bone cancer and did not know it. Once the patient > feels a sensation on St.38, I ask them to move the shoulder in any > fashion they choose. It's almost like magic. I then proceed to > treat the shoulder. I think an important aspect of treatment for > this condition is movement both passive and active, patient should > be encouraged to move the shoulder. If you choose herbal rx > consider including jiang huang on your prescription. Regards, > ~Fernando I also find ST38 very good. However, I usually needle ipsilateral GB34 first, asking subject to move shoulder, as Fernando does. If that does not give ease in 1 minute, I then add ST38 and repeat. If that does not work in a minute or so, I check for TPs near shoulder (trapezius, neck, scapular ms, pectorals, upper arm). I needle any TPs found and add the " Shoulder Triplet " [sI09 + TH14 (or LI15) + pt 1 " above top of anterior axillary crease + 1-2 distant points on ipsilateral forearm (TH05) or forearm/hand (LI04 or LU09). I finish the session with a good deep rub of the area with MOOV [Ayurvedic deep-heat-type rub] or Tiger Balm. I treat once/week for 2-3 sessions. I ask the subject to use MOOV or Tiger Balm at home. I ask that the lateral neck, trapezius, scapular muscles and area all around the shoulder joint be rubbed hard and deep to bring a blush to the rubbed areas every night, preferably after a hot bath before bed. Results are very good. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 In addition, consider doing the same with SI3, having the patient move their shoulder while stimulating it. Yehuda ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Hi Leah, Yes, hot and cold therapy along with the Deep Tissue Repair Oil and massage. Then she needs to begin to work that shoulder as much as she can. This will begin to loosen it. But lots of hot and cold therapy and the Deep Tissure Repair Oil. HTH, Don Quai - Leah herbal remedies Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:08 AM [herbal remedies] Frozen shoulder My mother has a frozen shoulder. I would like to help her with it. any sugestions?Leah ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Ain't no bugs here!Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release 12/20/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 hello, my mother had frozen shoulders and had two operations. the dr. told her that she got them by not using her shoulders,,,hardly ever raising her arms, being sedentary. she drinks a lot of cokes which leach calcium from the bones. she also carried a purse too heavy for her. cashiers get this problem from overreaching. anyway, after surgery she did physical therapy, such as arm lifts and push ups against a wall. one dr. suggested that if she had used a hammer and pounded nails on a regular basis, this would have unlocked her frozen shoulder. i suppose the area must be "broken" loose. and maybe lubricated through a good diet. perhaps doing these therapies in advance would prevent the need for surgery. my mother had to use an cooling body bag after surgeries, and these can be rented. my mother has not had a reoccurance as the dr. warned, but she does try to do daily stretches. she is 65. i will pray for your mom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Physical therapy helped me when I had a frozen shoulder. Linda - Hilary Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:11 AM frozen shoulder Has anyone heard of this? My friend has it - she says it started when she was working out one night, she felt some pain, but then as time went on her lower arm went numb, her upper arm is in excrutiating pain.She has tried many alternative therapies - chiropractic, reiki, vitamin therapy, prolotherapy, massage, energy healing - nothing is working and she's at the point where she's scheduled for surgery on Nov 30.Does anyone have any other ideas that stand a good chance of working? She feels she has tried everything.********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 >Has anyone heard of this? >My friend has it - she says it started when she was working out one >night, she felt some pain, but then as time went on her lower arm >went numb, her upper arm is in excrutiating pain. >She has tried many alternative therapies - chiropractic, reiki, >vitamin therapy, prolotherapy, massage, energy healing - nothing is >working and she's at the point where she's scheduled for surgery on >Nov 30. >Does anyone have any other ideas that stand a good chance of >working? She feels she has tried everything. highly recommend Myofascial Release and some Cranial work together, have worked on many people diagnosed with frozen shoulders and they have a beautiful recover and NO surgery, if you can let me know where you are located would be happy to refer to a therapist. take care Antonia -- Antonia Nelson Integrative Coach & Therapist http://www.Body-dynamics.com 920-868-9599 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 My sister suffered with this for two years and got cured through a combination of chiropractic treatment and herbs. Don't do the surgery till you have tried Recovazon, both topically and internally. (Get your money back if it doesn't work.) Ien in the Kootenays***********************************"What is the use of a house if you haven't got a tolerable planet to put it on?"~Thoreau Saving the Rainforest, a cup of tea at the timehttp://wildhealing.net*********************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 Bowen Therapy for excellent results with Frozen Shoulders. I have treated clients that have had a Frozen Shoulder for over 10 years who have tried all sort of other therapies. After one treatment with Bowen Therapy they normally have full use of the arm again. Depending on the person this can take over 3-5 days for complete healing. So far I have had 100% success rate. For someone in your area..please go to: http://www.bowtech.com All the best Diana Moore http://www.bowentherapy.homestead.com http://www.cafepress.com/omsymbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 After only three weeks a manipulation under anesthesia is ridiculous. If she truly has acute capsulitis, the pain is severe, she cant lie down on that shoulder and the pain is felt down arm the best treatment is a steroid injection (and she may need more than one). In the shoulder, a non weight bearing joint, steroids are not harmful. TCM can help but often takes too long and she may develop a true frozen shoulder (i.e., adhesions). Oakland, CA 94609 - frances gander Sunday, August 13, 2006 7:45 AM frozen shoulder Alon and others, Can acu/moxa treatments be helpful in resolving frozen shoulder (adhesive capsulitis)? There is swelling and pain in bursa for about 3 weeks. Patient is a 45 yo woman with CFIDS dx, very pale and thin (auschwitzean), depressed. She has a pale, thin small tongue; thready pulses, thin and weak in each system. Due to CFIDS weakness, she cannot exercise or do most exercise, including taiji. She occasionally tries to tone up with stretching, which is how she messed up her shoulder. She is applying fresh comfrey leaf compresses 3 x a day to the shoulder. She comes twice a week for acupuncure and moxa. An osteopathic physician has recommended a manipulation of the shoulder under general anesthesia. Her CFIDS doc says she absolutely cannot take general anesthesia. Also she is afraid of permanent injury to the shoulder through manipulation. There is so little to work with. She may be right. Thank you Frances Gander Athens, Ohio 740-593-7915 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 http://herballegacy.com/Stiff_Neck.html http://cleanse-nourish-heal.org/descriptionsformulas/jointformula.html An elderly friend of mine is in great discomfort because of a frozen shoulder. Have you got the magic solution at your finger tips? Any and all suggestions to help him with relief greatly appreciated. Thanks Hanneke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I've had that in both shoulders at the same time. Physical therapy took care of one. After long suffering , the other showed a bone spur pressing on the bursa. All Xrays missed it, til I held sand bags while taking another Xray. , Hanneke <blosshan wrote: > > An elderly friend of mine is in great discomfort because of a frozen shoulder. > Have you got the magic solution at your finger tips? > > Any and all suggestions to help him with relief greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Hanneke > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 DMSO & MII gel is the way I would go and check the neck - Aconite and Arnica 30C homeopathic too Jane - " Hanneke " <blosshan Monday, August 18, 2008 11:10 AM Frozen shoulder An elderly friend of mine is in great discomfort because of a frozen shoulder. Have you got the magic solution at your finger tips? Any and all suggestions to help him with relief greatly appreciated. Thanks Hanneke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 What is MII? And what is DMSO made up of? Jane MacRoss <highfield1 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:28:49 AMRe: Frozen shoulder DMSO & MII gel is the way I would go and check the neck - Aconite and Arnica 30C homeopathic tooJane- "Hanneke" <blosshan (AT) aapt (DOT) net.au><>Monday, August 18, 2008 11:10 AM[Health_and_ Healing] Frozen shoulderAn elderly friend of mine is in great discomfort because of a frozen shoulder.Have you got the magic solution at your finger tips?Any and all suggestions to help him with relief greatly appreciated.ThanksHanneke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Here is an ABC article on prolotherapy: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/PainManagement/Story?id=4230591 & page=1 It's explained oddly when they talk about scarring. In reality they take a Proliferant like dextrose and inject it in the pain pathway. It proliferates or irritates and produces not scar tissue but new tissue and mends ligaments and tendons so they can't hit on the nerves and cause you pain. This is why it is called the cure for chronic pain. I've known people who had frozen shoulders and such who had no further problems after the treatment. Dr. Hackett invented prolotherapy and Dr. Gustav Hemwall was trained by him. I had brought him some patients when he died in his 90's of a stroke, still working. I remember when I first met him he said " never call it scar tissue. The reason people who have back surgery only get worse is because they are trying to get a 'hold' with scar tissue, but they cut through more tendons and ligaments to get to the area, and cause more problems. This creates new tissue and mends tendons and ligaments. " In fact, I still have the medical text he wrote on it. Dr. Ross Hauser in Oak Park, Illinois, www.caringmedical.com took over Dr. Hemwall's practice after his death. Then he wrote his own book on web. Dr. Hemwall use to say he could cure a migraine in one treatment so I sent him the worst patient I had ever seen with migraines and he cured her. I miss him fondly. He was a brilliant humanitarian and traveled the world giving seminars and teaching physicians to cure chronic pain. I learned about prolotherapy from a physician here who referred me to a woman here in Atlanta who had been bedridden for 9 years. Dr. Hemwall had cured her. All my best, Betty At 09:10 PM 8/17/2008, Hanneke wrote: >An elderly friend of mine is in great discomfort because of a frozen shoulder. >Have you got the magic solution at your finger tips? > >Any and all suggestions to help him with relief greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Hanneke > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Email me. , Hanneke <blosshan wrote: > > An elderly friend of mine is in great discomfort because of a frozen shoulder. > Have you got the magic solution at your finger tips? > > Any and all suggestions to help him with relief greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Hanneke > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 About Frozen Shoulder I have never had frozen Shoulder myself but I found this massage oil recipe I received recently for treating it. 1/2 Argan oil 1/2 Pomegranate oil as the base oil and Everlasting essential oil. I don't know the exact dilution of Everlasting in the carrier oils or how often to apply, however this might be of some help to you. Prue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Acupuncture is very effective. - " aromaprue " <prubarista Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:46 PM Re: Frozen shoulder > About Frozen Shoulder > > I have never had frozen Shoulder myself but I found this massage oil > recipe I received recently for treating it. 1/2 Argan oil 1/2 Pomegranate > oil as the base oil and Everlasting essential oil. I don't know the exact > dilution of Everlasting in the carrier oils or how often to apply, however > this might be of some help to you. > > Prue > > > > > > --- > > The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > Absolutely no forwarding or copying, in whole or in part, of any messages > or postings to others outside the list without the express, written > consent of every author of a message included in the forward or copy. > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: > /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Hi Prue This sounds like a good recipe,Everlasting Oil is another name for Helichrysum oil....it is VERY expensive(crazy expensive!!!), and if you are planning on trying this recipe, gradually add the Heli so you are only adding what you need... " more is not always better " . Increase a couple drops at a time until you notice relief. Heli is known to be FANTASTIC for pain and does not just " mask " the pain but is actually helping. I have Heli but have been using just a couple drops in my face oil (which is Squalene Oil).Heli is the best for mature skin!! Squalene Oil to me would be the more cost effective oil to use for the noted recipe as it is not as expensive and it penetrates deeper and more readily than other oils.Argan trees are a protected tree now also. As I mentioned,Squalene Oil can also be used as a face moisturizer (just drops will do).My husband uses it on his rough hands at night.It is a natural bactericide and healer and has been shown to have effects in the management of dermatitis and skin cancer!! Colleen ________________________________ Re: Frozen shoulder About Frozen Shoulder I have never had frozen Shoulder myself but I found this massage oil recipe I received recently for treating it. 1/2 Argan oil 1/2 Pomegranate oil as the base oil and Everlasting essential oil. I don't know the exact dilution of Everlasting in the carrier oils or how often to apply, however this might be of some help to you. Prue _.___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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