introduction

[Guest guest]

> " DEBBY MACHUCA, D.C.,QME " <FXMED

>

>Welcome Christine,

>

>I have been on this list for 2 weeks and nobody has e-mailed anything

yet. I

>hope you and I can at least converse then maybe others will join.

>

>Take Care, Debby

 

 

Hi Debby, thanks for the welcome.

 

I must admit that I'm a bit confused about your " letters " . I believe

(correct me if I'm wrong) that D.C. means you're a chiropractor, but I

don't know the designation QME. I hope I'm not being a doofus.

 

Are you a practicing acupuncturist? If so, I would appreciate any tips

you can give me for starting my own practice. I'm hoping to set up out

of my home to start, but I also want to work out of a chiropractic or

other alternative health office. Have you any suggestions as to what

sort of places I should apply to, keeping in mind that I have relatively

little practical experience?

 

I hope to hear from you soon.

 

Christine.

[Guest guest]

Hi all. My name is Jasmine and I am in my second semester of acupuncture

school (I have a long ways to go!) I look foward to having discussions with

anyone about the acupuncture points or any other related topics. I may not

have much to contribute but hope to gain some valuable info. from others

involved in this field.

 

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Welcome Christine,

 

I have been on this list for 2 weeks and nobody has e-mailed anything yet. I

hope you and I can at least converse then maybe others will join.

 

Take Care, Debby

 

Christine Cover <pele007

acupuncture <acupuncture >

Thursday, January 07, 1999 7:04 PM

acupuncture Introduction

 

 

> " Christine Cover " <pele007

>

>Hello Everybody.

>

>I'm just about to finish my clinical studies of acupunture, at which

>time I can legally practice in the Province of Ontario. I joined this

>list hoping to share what knowledge I have, and to gain from that of

>others. I expect that I will be a quite active member, once I'm actually

>practicing.

>

>Christine

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[Guest guest]

Hi! Christine,

The QME stands for Qualified medical examiner. I do a lot of worker's

compensation cases. I am a D.C.. I am trained in acupuncture as a post

graduate degree. I have only 200 hours in actual hands on training. I have

practiced acupuncture for 10 years in my practice. I have resorted to doing

ryodoraku and work for the type of injuries I see. I am not an acupuncturist

per se. I am a homeopath though and as a homeopath, chiropractor,

cranial/sacral therapist and little bit of acupuncture, I believe in

stimulating the vital force, chi, innate intelligence whatever you want to

call it. I am mostly interested in balancing according to the law of the

five elements. I just have to get back into it. I was never given good

classes on pulse diagnosis so for many years I used electrical equipment to

do this for me. I am a mother of 3 so, it is hard for me to get to seminars.

I was hoping to learn from this list.

 

As far as practicing goes, come to my town and work with me? I live in

Calif.. There is only 1 other acupuncturist in the area. I think going into

a chiropractic office is a great idea. I am not sure of your laws up there

and how the best way to set it up would be. A lot will depend on the laws

that govern a chiro's practice. Many chiro's have abandoned the theory of

stimulating the vital force of the body through an adjustment. They are what

I kindly refer to as a doc in the box(sorry). They have given up their

theory to mold to what the medical profession has wanted us to be thrown

into for a long time. I do not know of anyone in Ontario. You could check

the web site www.chiroweb.com. You can do a search for chiro's in your area.

I know a great guy in British Columbia(?). When you go and interview people

to practice with, be sure you get a feel for how they respect your

profession. Do they approach health care from the same perspective you do?

Are they open to learning? Be sure to question ethics. I have come right out

and ask someone if their billing was on the up and up. I told them I would

have nothing to do with any questionable activity. I very good prospect

turned immediately cold and we never spoke again. Now I deal with them alot

with work comp cases and see why. What a shady group.

BE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN WRITING. THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT IS

EXPECTED OF EACH OF YOU. If I have learned anything it is this. I will do it

with my best friend. It truly is a way of SAVING relationships down the

road. I am feeling the consequences now of 2 incidence I didn't put things

on writing. I have been to an attorney and I have enough evidence to support

myself but still I have to confront it. It is stressful, costly and I have

animosity with someone in my community. The other people have just come back

and apologized and asked to make restitution with me. Praise God for that

one. hope this helps. E-mail back with anything else.

 

Debby

 

Christine Cover <pele007

acupuncture <acupuncture >

Thursday, January 07, 1999 7:57 PM

acupuncture Re: Introduction

 

 

> " Christine Cover " <pele007

>

>

>> " DEBBY MACHUCA, D.C.,QME " <FXMED

>>

>>Welcome Christine,

>>

>>I have been on this list for 2 weeks and nobody has e-mailed anything

>yet. I

>>hope you and I can at least converse then maybe others will join.

>>

>>Take Care, Debby

>

>

>Hi Debby, thanks for the welcome.

>

>I must admit that I'm a bit confused about your " letters " . I believe

>(correct me if I'm wrong) that D.C. means you're a chiropractor, but I

>don't know the designation QME. I hope I'm not being a doofus.

>

>Are you a practicing acupuncturist? If so, I would appreciate any tips

>you can give me for starting my own practice. I'm hoping to set up out

>of my home to start, but I also want to work out of a chiropractic or

>other alternative health office. Have you any suggestions as to what

>sort of places I should apply to, keeping in mind that I have relatively

>little practical experience?

>

>I hope to hear from you soon.

>

>Christine.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jasmine,

I was wondering what school you are attending for acupuncture, and your

opinion on it?

I'll be at Tri-state in New York in sept(hopefully) and just wanted someone's

feedback about the program, in general.

Thanks

Lauren

[Guest guest]

Hi Lauren. I live in California and am going to Samra University. It is the

oldest and one of the largest acupuncture schools in the country. They have

an on-site clinic that stocks over 400 Chinese Herbs. I am originally from NY

and am curious to know if your school is located in Manhattan.

The acupuncture program I am taking is a 3-4 year program and upon graduation,

you receive a Masters in Oriental Medicine and can then take the boards to

become licensed in Acupuncture. Does your school offer an internship program?

How many hours is it in total? Mine is about 900 hours of clinical time and

1600 hours of classroom time. The program is great! You will learn so much.

Dont worry if you feel overwhelmed at first; some of the info. you will be

learning may seem difficult to grasp because concepts of are

so different from what we are taught in regular schools. But, dont worry,

you'll be studying just as much, if not more!! It's worth it, though. Have

you already attended college and if so, did you take any courses in anatomy

and physiology? People who never took such courses are having a hard time at

my school, so keep that in mind!

If you have any other questions or comments, please write back!

Jasmine

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-01-11 00:40:06 EST, you write:

 

<< Hi Lauren. I live in California and am going to Samra University. It is

the

oldest and one of the largest acupuncture schools in the country. They have

an on-site clinic that stocks over 400 Chinese Herbs. I am originally from

NY

and am curious to know if your school is located in Manhattan. >>

Jasmine.

Hello, and I apologize for taking so long for a reply...haven't been on line

in a while:)

But Yes, the school is located in Manhattan, and is called the Tri State

Institute of Traditional Chinese Acupuncture. It's a total of 3 years for the

program, with about 1200 hours of work (including observation with a trained

acupuncturist)And upon graduation, receive a master's level diploma in

Acupuncture.I believe there is a separate 2 year program that specializes in

Herbs. I'm attending college now, and have taken Biology, and now am studying

Anatomy and Physiology. Both of which I find fascinating...But of course I'm

kinda nervous about all the things I will be doing at Tri State(especially

trying to figure out how I'm going to pay for it:)

Good luck in Cali, and keep me posted on how thing are going!!

 

Take Care

Lauren

 

PS- I was also wondering if anyone who is on this list has attended Tri

State...and if so, feel free to discuss your experience with the institute!

[Guest guest]

" S. J. Horner " wrote:

 

> I learned energy work from a man who trained with Barbara Brennen, at a time

> where I thought " this is nice...I wonder when I'll ever use it? "

 

Hi Sandy,

 

I have her books and would love to take her 4 year college degree course but I

will never get to do this as 4 years away from husbands don't get it. grin. I

envy you this training tho.

 

Sherri

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-07-15 08:10:05 EDT, you write:

 

<< I hope you accept me as part of your group again next week >>

 

Welcome to the list, Marie!

 

We look forward to getting to know you better!

 

Karen O.

Livermore, CA USA

[Guest guest]

greetings to you in Ireland and Co Donegal!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been to Ireland twice and I would love to talk to you about it. Hope

you had a pleasant trip!

flapping and watching,

Owllights

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a great job.

How do you incorporate Healing Touch in your work with patients?

Stacy LMT and student of Psych

 

 

> " G. J. Davidson " <myturn

>

>bodymind

> Introduction

>Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:57:29 -0700 (PDT)

>

[Guest guest]

" G. J. Davidson " wrote:

 

> " G. J. Davidson " <myturn

>

> Hello to You All,

> I have been lurking for a few weeks now having just joined the list

> prior to going on vacation. Unlike Marie, (hello in Ireland!) I chose to

> wait until I returned so I could share a workshop I attended with you.

> First, a little about myself. I work as a Psychiatric Nurse in the

> interior of British Columbia. I also have my level 2A Healing Touch and am

> priviledged to be able to use this modality in my place of work. I work for

> the Government and I believe we are on the cutting edge of the use of Energy

> Based Healing in Mental Health. I feel blessed to be working where I do. I

> hope to get my level 2B this fall.

>

 

have you done any work with severe paranoid schizophrenics? i have someone close

that is

getting perpetually bounced between jail, the mental institution, and the

streets, and has

been in this pattern since he was a kid. i am down south of you in WA state, and

trying to

figure out a way to get the institution to try different approaches with him and

am very

frustrated with bureaucratic red tape and narrow mindedness. it is comforting to

hear that

a few hours north someone is open to trying different approaches, the stories i

hear about

the institutional envirnment here make my stomach turn.

 

-berlee

[Guest guest]

Dear Gloria,

Not too much at all. Thank you for your response. I especially appreciated

your thoughts on how to determine who you will use this therapy with. I have

had clients with mental health problems. Some who commit to taking some

responsibility, however, end up just coming for a " feel good " session and

don't actually want to do the work. It is sometimes hard for me to decide

whether or not to continue working with them.

thanks again,

Stacy

 

 

 

>Hi Stacy,

> The other nurses in my office are also Healing Touch

>Practitioners.

>When we first learned the modality, we told clients whom we thought might

>benefit about it and asked if they were interested. Here in British

>Columbia, and I suspect in other parts of Canada as well, Healing Touch is

>well supported by Nursing Practice. We also have a protocol in our Health

>Region as the Community Nurses who deal with a predominantly " physically

>impaired " clientelle do Healing Touch as well.

> The positive outcomes we have had spread quickly by word of mouth

>and

>now clients come and request Healing Touch. As for myself, I am now doing

>Healing Touch only with clients who agree to take some responsiblity for

>their own process. For some of them, it may be just doing some

>grounding/breathing exercises at home between sessions but that is enough.

>. My caseload is primarily individuals with severe and persistant

>mental issues. Most of them have been in the system for some time. The

>pluses to doing Healing Touch are that I do not have to actually touch them

>(there are many negative connotations to touch with these individuals) and

>at the very least, they experience relaxation and stress reduction. The

>trusting relationship that develops during the process is also very

>valuable.

> Issues surface more slowly with this group and I am convinced it

>is

>because of the medications most of them are on. They are very out of touch

>with their bodies and present as " fragmented selves " .

> Hope this answers your question, and sorry if I gave more than you

>bargained for!!

>Namaste

>Gloria

>

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[Guest guest]

At 11:51 23/07/99 -0700, you wrote:

>kim <berlee

>

>

Hello Berlee

 

>have you done any work with severe paranoid schizophrenics?

 

Most of my people have the label of Schizophrenia. The paranoia

would constitute some difficulties with Healing Touch unless there was a

bond between the therapist and the client. This would only develop over

time and in our program, individuals are in for the long haul.

 

i have someone close that is

>getting perpetually bounced between jail, the mental institution, and the

streets, and has been in this pattern since he was a kid.

 

The process you describe would make anyone paranoid!!

Unfortunately, there are no easy answers here either. The system

perpetuates keeping clients in an " illness " model.

 

> i am down south of you in WA state, and trying to

>figure out a way to get the institution to try different approaches with

him and am very

>frustrated with bureaucratic red tape and narrow mindedness. it is

comforting to hear >that a few hours north someone is open to trying

different approaches,

 

Good Luck! Is there any Support Groups in your area who would help

you out? Unfortunately, most of them to the Medical Model. I

would suggest reading a book by Peter Breggin called " Toxic Psyciatry " . He

is a Psychiatrist and has a web site. They will also answer questions of

people who write in. Give him a try.

Namaste

Gloria

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone, my name is Debra, I am 43 and live in the Dallas, Texas area. I am

very interested in energy work or healing hands. I seem to have a natural

ability to do this but I have not had anyone to guide me. I did try once to do

healing work without touching and it worked. I did read a book once about it

that was very informative. I am interested in learning as much as I can.

Thanks, Debra

[Guest guest]

redtail29 wrote:

>

> Hi my name is diane Im new to onelist. I am 44 year old. I have been involed

> with doing hyonotherapy and bioenergentics for about a year. I had a rough

> chilhood (who hasnt?) I have manged to shut off most of my emotions and

> feelings,, thru addications. Which i have let go of, and am now working on

> getting them back. I do alot of vibrating ,hitting and fake crying. I have to

> force these emotions. i am just acting part of the time. but it is a start.i

> am able to look people in the eye alot more. i have a hard time not judging

> myself while doing thes excersises. It tough to stop the vioce telling how

> stupid i look or sound. i have a very supportive therapist. who does some of

> these things along with me so i dont feel so stupid. interested in hearing

> more people experiences

> DI

>

 

Diane, have you learned how to reframe your inner dialog, so that you

can create positive affirmations from your negative voices? It is so

important to feed yourself the " good food " of compliments and

reinforcement when you are undergoing therapy.

 

It is also vital to realize that ALL EMOTIONS ARE GOOD. We tend to

have judgement about emotions, thinking that things like joy, and

love, and happiness are all good, and that sadness, anger, etc are

bad. Well, newsflash, people, we have to get real with ourselves; we

are not made of spun sugar and candle wax... sometimes we have to

experience the dips as well as the swells.

 

Know too that you can fake laugh just like you can fake cry; in " 12

stepping " that is called " Fake it 'til you make it " and it is very

effective in personal mood and attitude. If you want to feel up, then

dress " up " ... shed the dark colors, get the hair out of your eyes,

stop trying to emulate Marilyn Manson and lose the black nail polish

;-) Take a firm hand with your environment, so that it is clean and

uncluttered, but still soft and inviting for you.

 

Here's another one for you... ignorance is not knowing any better;

stupidity is knowing better but not acting on it. If you take a

careful look at yourself, I'll bet you will see more ignorance than

stupidity, eh? And ignorance can be taken care of, with awareness and

education. So now you know better, you can tell that voice you ain't

stupid, because you have learned you don't have to listen to it

anymore. We are *all* ignorant of many things... that's our job, to

learn!

 

Good luck with your progress along your path :-)

 

--

Blessings,

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

--

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/13/99 8:42:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

crow writes:

 

<<

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

--

Thanks Crow ,

I appreicate your words. Ive come a long way ,but ive got along way to go

yet. I guess thaat is a good idea faking the emotions until they become

real. It,s just so much more comfortable dealing with life in the logical.

But my Spirit isnt about logic. Its about what is in my heart and Soul.

I need to ask you Crow or any one else...I can not connect any postive,

spiritual ,Godly feelings to my sexual feelings. I know these are " God given

and not to be taken lightly or loathed and dispised " I get angry that i have

these feelings, because of the abuse of people i love. I do not want to

accpect that i need and want these. It feels like iiii am saying what was

done to so many people is Ok.

I feel like I am one of the few people that wishes there was no such thing as

sexual feelings. I cant find a place for this in my program or Spirit.

Thanks for listening

DI

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[Guest guest]

REDTAIL29 wrote:

>

> Thanks Crow ,

> I appreicate your words. Ive come a long way ,but ive got along way to go

> yet. I guess thaat is a good idea faking the emotions until they become

> real. It,s just so much more comfortable dealing with life in the logical.

> But my Spirit isnt about logic. Its about what is in my heart and Soul.

> I need to ask you Crow or any one else...I can not connect any postive,

> spiritual ,Godly feelings to my sexual feelings. I know these are " God given

> and not to be taken lightly or loathed and dispised " I get angry that i have

> these feelings, because of the abuse of people i love. I do not want to

> accpect that i need and want these. It feels like iiii am saying what was

> done to so many people is Ok.

> I feel like I am one of the few people that wishes there was no such thing as

> sexual feelings. I cant find a place for this in my program or Spirit.

> Thanks for listening

 

Di:

 

This last post of yours disturbs me on several levels; for one thing,

I am wondering if you can see the correlation between your rejection

of your sexual feelings and your lack of connection with your body

functions? This is a very important connection for you to explore; the

energy that facilitates procreation and reproduction is also the same

useful energy that fuels our creativity and our will to survive.

 

It is vital that you befriend your personal energy and your body; no

matter what your history, no matter what your memories, you are not

living in the past, but in the present, and in the present your body

is not supporting you because you are not fully living in it.

 

I am not normally so forceful with my responses to folks here but your

posts appear to be more than a litany of complaints, rather more like

a cry for help... and honestly, that help will primarily have to arise

from inside your being. As a whole being, do not forget that you must

not avoid your physical being in a misguided attempt to enhance your

spiritual or intellectual growth; an imbalance will not serve your

progress. As a soul you chose to be in a body, and as your temple, it

can teach you many lessons in patience, unconditionality and service.

It is not perfect, but it is beautiful because it is your home while

you are alive.

 

Sexual energy is a good and natural method for beings like us to

reproduce ourselves. Like all good things, it can be perverted,

damaged, or misused, but that does not impinge upon its inherent

goodness. Even if you chose not to have children, or even decided to

be celibate, this energy is a powerful force for motivation and

productivity... we give birth to ideas, art, movements...

possibilities! I would suggest you purchase a book on the energetic

body and the chakras, and pay close attention to the lower three

chakras, the root, the sacral, and the solar plexus. These areas focus

more directly with the physical than the upper chakras and would seem

to be what you need to focus on right now. If you check the archives

for you can find information about each of these chakras by

searching for " Root " , " Sacral " and " Solar Plexus " . Even if energy

centers are not within your philosophical mindset, the developmental

lessons of the chakras correlate with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and

show us how we progress from task to task in development. No stage is

superfluous.

 

You can choose not to accept that you need and want sexual feelings;

you are free to decide to do anything you want. However, you are not

doing yourself or anyone else a service by behaving reactively instead

of proactively to your negative feelings. Repression can result in

myriad other problems, including emotional and physical symptoms. I

find it interesting that your moniker is " Redtail " . Red is an

important color for grounding and connection to the root chakra, your

base to communicate with the earth. There is nothing dirty about you

or your feelings. Your body is your friend, and if it doesn't appear

to be cooperating with you, perhaps it is because you are not

communicating clearly with it... maybe you've " got your wires crossed "

and something is shorting out... maybe you're not grounding your

energy properly?

 

I cannot diagnose you, obviously. But keep your mind open, and if your

therapist is not addressing this issue of abuse with you and you are

ready to deal with it, I think you should honor that and find someone

who can help you process your feelings.

 

--

Blessings,

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

--

Rev. Caroline Abreu, BS, RN, CHTP/I, CRMT

ICQ# 4458763

AIM= CaroCrow

[Guest guest]

Dear Lisa,

 

Welcome to the list. May I introduce you to a list I

am on that offers instruction and free attunements. I

am a Reiki I and joined recently - referred by Tami on

this list (or the Healing Touch list). I am in the

same financial situation. So check out:

/community/Reiki_On

 

Best wishes,

MichelleH

 

--- Lisa Danton <ldanton wrote:

> I haven't pursued my Reiki level, do to financial

> reasons (it seems very expensive to get your 3rd

around here).

 

 

 

 

Kick off your party with Invites.

http://invites./

[Guest guest]

Dear Jeannie;

 

Welcome to the group.

 

When you feel a bit more comfortable here, perhaps you will be a bit more

specific about your condition. There are a great deal of caring people here

who can offer you advice if they know a bit more about your situation.

 

Best,

 

Florie Gray

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Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:35 PM

Introduction

 

 

> Thank You Caroline for allowing me to become a member of Bodymind. My name

is Jeannie and I live in northern CA. I have a health condition that causes

frequent sudden deaths.

> I'm wanting to learn about Reiki, Chakras and any holistic method of self

healing including the mind.

> I look forward to being part of this group.

> Sincerely, Jeannie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Florie Gray: Thank you for caring first of all. I have Idiopathic

Electrical Malfunction that results in Sudden Cardiac Death episodes. I have

clinically 'died' seven times and was implanted with an automatic

implantable pacer cardioverter defibrillator. I have received 155 shocks to

date and have begun my 'bradydown' period so the pacemaker has delivered at

last count 141 paces. That was 3 mos ago and I'm due to be downloaded again

soon. Basically my heart shorts and I go into V-Tach or in my case V-Fib

immediately. Why? Well there is the problem, no one knows why. I have gone

through multiple near death experiences and now seem to be experiencing out

of body ones when my heart slows to a stop (prior the pacemaker pacing.) I'm

have been searching for the spiritual guidance and now is the time for me to

expand my knowledge once again. Thus my joining this group.

Any help you could give me, would be greatly appreciated during this

journey. Love, Jeannie

-

" Richard M. Gray, Ph.D. and Florence Tomasulo Gray "

<florie

 

Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:35 AM

Re: Introduction

 

 

> Dear Jeannie;

>

> Welcome to the group.

>

> When you feel a bit more comfortable here, perhaps you will be a bit more

> specific about your condition. There are a great deal of caring people

here

> who can offer you advice if they know a bit more about your situation.

>

> Best,

>

> Florie Gray

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>

> Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:35 PM

> Introduction

>

>

> > Thank You Caroline for allowing me to become a member of Bodymind. My

name

> is Jeannie and I live in northern CA. I have a health condition that

causes

> frequent sudden deaths.

> > I'm wanting to learn about Reiki, Chakras and any holistic method of

self

> healing including the mind.

> > I look forward to being part of this group.

> > Sincerely, Jeannie

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Jeannie;

 

I don't even know where to begin...

 

The challenge that you face each day is inconceivable to me. I cannot begin

to relate to it, and can only marvel at the grace with which you accept it.

You must be a remarkably strong individual!

 

I think it's important for you to know that many members of this list are

experienced bodyworkers and practitioners of complementary/alternative

therapies, many with a great deal of medical training. They are all quite

talented; more importantly, they are all extremely responsible in the advice

and suggestions that they give to others. You will receive the spiritual

guidance you've requested--probably as many different suggestions as there

are people on the list...every one worth exploring, too!

 

If, at any time in the future, you would like to share your perceptions of

your near-death experiences, I'm sure that many people would be very

interested in reading about them. I know that I would be extremely curious

about your sensations and emotions at that time. Sorry to pry--if it's a

sensitive subject, by all means stay away from it. However, if it was a

comfort to you, perhaps the sharing would bring comfort to others as well.

 

Either way, you've come to the right place--for answers *and* questions.

 

My best,

 

Florie

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Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:00 PM

Re: Introduction

 

 

> Dear Florie Gray: Thank you for caring first of all. I have Idiopathic

> Electrical Malfunction that results in Sudden Cardiac Death episodes. I

have

> clinically 'died' seven times and was implanted with an automatic

> implantable pacer cardioverter defibrillator. I have received 155 shocks

to

> date and have begun my 'bradydown' period so the pacemaker has delivered

at

> last count 141 paces. That was 3 mos ago and I'm due to be downloaded

again

> soon. Basically my heart shorts and I go into V-Tach or in my case V-Fib

> immediately. Why? Well there is the problem, no one knows why. I have gone

> through multiple near death experiences and now seem to be experiencing

out

> of body ones when my heart slows to a stop (prior the pacemaker pacing.)

I'm

> have been searching for the spiritual guidance and now is the time for me

to

> expand my knowledge once again. Thus my joining this group.

> Any help you could give me, would be greatly appreciated during this

> journey. Love, Jeannie

[Guest guest]

Dear Victor,

 

Welcome to the list.

 

You can post your problems directly to the list and many (including me ;o) will offer you advice on how to handle your condition (IE. The place to start on your high BP is with a dramatic increase in your fresh raw organic garlic intake).

 

Major cleansing is also indicated.

 

Best regards,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

My name is Victor and I live currently in south middle TN (the Columbia area). I am looking for a doctor of natural medicine around the area, if anyone knows of any. I am a 37 year old white male and frankly, I am overweight with HBP and the MDs here haven't done me much good. Their prescriptions make me feel worse than the symptoms.Anyway just a quick hello,Victor

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandi...nice to have you with us!

 

Lots of Love and Angel Hugs,

+ Harley +

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HarleysRealm

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list Tom. You'll find it informative and friendly.

Jennie

Tom Murray wrote:

Hello

AllIve

been sandbaging on the side for a while now and thought it was about time

i introduced myself.my

name is Tom Murray a self employed and highly stressed security technician

from Newcastlein

Australia.Ive had a great interests in natural medicines and general well

being for quite some timewould

love to do some study on it one day if i ever get a life of my own.love

the list and its great to be partof

such a life altering group. speak to you all soonThanksTom

Murray