Guest guest Report post Posted February 2, 2001 What/where is the Horizon Catalog ? My mother has Type II Diabetes ...Could Bitter Melon do anything for her ? malinda Penny Khaled wrote: > Dear Laurie, > Have you tried Bitter Melon for your Diabetes? In the Horizon > Catalogue under Melon, Bitter........Love Penny > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > ian_shillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 2, 2001 Hi Ninox: The pancreas is governed by the solar plexus. There can an aspect of " lack of control " or at least perceived control about diabetes. Type I, or what used to be called " Juvenile " , sometimes seems to bring out some interesting rebellious aspects in the people who have it. I've taken care of many young diabetics who seem to be smoking, drinking or eating junk food simply *because* they are dangerous to their health. There might also be a feeling of deprivation, as often happens when a person's food is threatened, food meaning not simply survival but comfort and security for many people. It seems especially poignant that they cannot handle the " sweetness " in life, and may feel that their lives, not just their diets, are losing flavor and substance, somehow. Of course this is not true, but it is the perception that causes the issue; any one of us could live very well on a diabetic exchange diet without hunger or lack of variety. Exercise, rest, and other changes, such as eliminating smoking and more diligent skin care, might also seem onerous until they become habit, but once they become comfortable with the ritual they will do fine. I'll post the solar plexus file to the list so you can see some ways a person can support that center. In addition to paying extra attention to the pancreas, remember that the other factor in diabetes is insulin uptake; the body has to be able to process insulin in order to process sugar to feed the body. Affirmations to help with this might include " My body processes nutrients appropriately " and " I deserve happiness " . Blessings, Crow " Look for Rainbows in the Darkness " >bluemoon <bluemoon > > " ' ' " > Diabetes >Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:28:01 +1100 > >Thanks Ellie, >I think a timely reminder about the hazards of diabetes being taken lightly >will be a good thing for my husband. Coming from a third person makes it >more likely to be listened to. >Love and Light, Ninox > >Does anyone have any thoughts on body/mind connection? >Caroline, which chakra is the pancreas connected to? > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2002 <<Minerals: Chromium Vanadium Magnesium>> I think that last one should read Manganese, shouldn't it?.... Also, gymnema, and HGH increasers, can help re-grow the islet cells in the pancreas. In fact, North America's leading anti-aging doctors said exactly that about HGH therapy in a recent seminar. They said the therapy was particularly useful in curing diabetes type II. Also, many practitioners cure type II through diet alone, but by the time an anti-aging specialist sees a client they're older so HGH levels are low anyway and the client is less likely to respond to diet alone. <<Retinopathy Bilberry Quercetin>> Mention should be made here of glutathione, which is the body's major antioxidant, made specifically for one of it's jobs -- the job of fighting lipid peroxidation, which retinopathy is. <<Cardiovascular disease/peripheral vascular disease CoQ10 EPA/GLA Vitamin E Ginkgo>> And l-lysine, l-proline and vitamin C, Linus Pauling style. Been known to cuer atherosclerosis for a long time. Also again, glutathione through undenatured whey. For peripheral disease and curing/avoiding diabetic ulcers, ozone therapy, German style. <<Nephropathy EPA/GLA Carnitine>> Carnitine also mobilizes fats for burning. Nephropathy will respond to microhydrin, undenatured whey again (glutathione) and a rebuild using the amino stack SomaLife, and drinking more water. Note in the medline studies below that most diabetic complications result from oxidative stress. http://members.shaw.ca/widewest/medline_links.html Patricia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2002 On Saturday, August 10, 2002, at 08:21 AM, Patricia Gilbert wrote: > Also, gymnema, and HGH increasers, can help re-grow the islet cells in > the > pancreas. In fact, North America's leading anti-aging doctors said > exactly > that about HGH therapy in a recent seminar. That is a bold faced lie on their part. NOTHING can regrow the beta cells of the islets of Langerhans (sp?). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2002 - " Gary Green " <limbsw Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:19 AM Re: re: diabetes > > On Saturday, August 10, 2002, at 08:21 AM, Patricia Gilbert wrote: > > > Also, gymnema, and HGH increasers, can help re-grow the islet cells in > > the > > pancreas. In fact, North America's leading anti-aging doctors said > > exactly > > that about HGH therapy in a recent seminar. > > That is a bold faced lie on their part. NOTHING can regrow the beta > cells of the islets of Langerhans (sp?). > It would seem that there are indications that your statement may be incorrect. See snippets below with referencing URLs. Alobar BURLINGAME, CA - According to Dr. Baskaran and Dr. Ahamath, of the Department of Biochemistry, Post-Graduate Institute of Basic Medical Sciences, Madras, India, the therapeutic properties of Gymnema sylvestre, an extract from the leaves of Gymnema sylvestre, in controlling hyperglycaemia was investigated in 22 Type-2 diabetic patients on conventional oral anti-hyperglycaemic agents. Gymnema sylvestre, (400 mg/day) was administered for 18-20 months as a supplement to the conventional oral drugs. During Gymnema sylvestre supplementation, the patients showed a significant reduction in blood glucose, glycosylated haemolglobin and glycosylated plasma proteins, and conventional drug dosage could be decreased. Five of the 22 diabetic patients were able to discontinue their conventional drug and maintain their blood glucose homeostasis with Gymnema sylvestre alone. These data suggest that the beta cells may be regenerated/repaired in Type-2 diabetic patients on Gymnema sylvestre supplementation. This is supported by the appearance of raised insulin levels in the serum of patients after Gymnema sylvestre supplementation. http://www.bestnutrition.com/te/gymnema.htm Antidiabetic effect of a leaf extract from Gymnema sylvestre in non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus patients. Baskaran K, Kizar Ahamath B, Radha Shanmugasundaram K, Shanmugasundaram ER. Department of Biochemistry, Postgraduate Institute of Basic Medical Sciences Madras, India. The effectiveness of GS4, an extract from the leaves of Gymnema sylvestre, in controlling hyperglycaemia was investigated in 22 Type 2 diabetic patients on conventional oral anti-hyperglycaemic agents. GS4 (400 mg/day) was administered for 18-20 months as a supplement to the conventional oral drugs. During GS4 supplementation, the patients showed a significant reduction in blood glucose, glycosylated haemoglobin and glycosylated plasma proteins, and conventional drug dosage could be decreased. Five of the 22 diabetic patients were able to discontinue their conventional drug and maintain their blood glucose homeostasis with GS4 alone. These data suggest that the beta cells may be regenerated/repaired in Type 2 diabetic patients on GS4 supplementation. This is supported by the appearance of raised insulin levels in the serum of patients after GS4 supplementation. Publication Types: Clinical Trial PMID: 2259217 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?db=m & form=6 & uid=9 1080576 & dopt=b & title=no & tool=EntrezLinkDoc In 1990 a series of published studies on GSE lifted this herb from interesting to revolutionary. To begin with, it was shown that the administration of GSE to diabetic animals not only resulted in improved glucose homeostasis, this improvement was accompanied by a regeneration of beta cells in the pancreas.(5) In the words of the authors, " This herbal therapy appears to bring about blood glucose homeostasis through increased serum insulin levels provided by repair/regeneration of the endocrine pancreas. " To my knowledge, this is the only compound that has shown the ability to lessen indicators of diabetes by directly repairing/regenerating the pancreas cells responsible for producing insulin. 5. E.R.B. Shanmugasundaram, K.L. Gopinath, K. Rhada Shanmugasundaram, et al, Journal of Ethnopharmacology 1990; 30: 265-279. http://intelegen.com/nutrients/gymnema_sylvestre_for_diabetes.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2002 On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 03:51 PM, Alobar wrote: > It would seem that there are indications that your statement > may be incorrect. See snippets below with referencing URLs. With all respect sir, a few rat studies and some promo-info from some for-sale sites doesn't change my opinion. Interesting, yes, but I want to see some human studies from somewhere I feel I can trust. Then I will be happy to suggest this " product " to my patients. I stand by what I said about HGH precursors. They are garbage. Yours in health and truth. Gary L. Green, D.C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 17, 2002 - " Gary Green " <limbsw Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:04 AM Re: re: diabetes > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 03:51 PM, Alobar wrote: > > It would seem that there are indications that your statement > > may be incorrect. See snippets below with referencing URLs. > > With all respect sir, a few rat studies and some promo-info from some > for-sale sites doesn't change my opinion. Interesting, yes, but I want > to see some human studies from somewhere I feel I can trust. Then I > will be happy to suggest this " product " to my patients. > > I stand by what I said about HGH precursors. They are garbage. > > Yours in health and truth. > > Gary L. Green, D.C. Please forgive my ignorance, but what does " D.C " stand for? To say research is still being done & the results are not yet proven is one thing, but to say that all indications are " garbage " is yet another. You ask for human studies. The info I sent earlier on this thread pointed to human studies. I am perplexed. Do you ignore them because they were done in India? Because much of the researches are being done by Aryuvedic doctors? Is any research or findings not sanctioned by the allopaths in America not worth your consideration? When I was diagnosed as a diabetic, my fasting blood sugar was 360 & I had a non-healing diabetic ulcer on my foot which I had had for about a year. For 5 months I followed the doctor's advice & took glyburide daily to maintain blood glucose levels & got my foot dealt with regularly by a physical therapist (weekly debridement plus various changes to my footwear plus various bandage changes & powder put on the wound). I hated the glyburide & how it made me feel. I could tell the glyburide was just not good for me long term. After doing quite a bit of reading, I discovered Gourdin, an Aryuvedic preparation of bitter melon & began taking it four times a day in conjunction with the glyburide. When my foot had completely healed, I told my doctor I was going to try going off glyburide & maintain my blood glucose levels with diet plus gourdin alone. My doctor was very much against this. She said at my age (56), I would not be able to control my glucose levels with diet alone. but when I told her I was going to do it anyway, she gave me some guidelines as to what was acceptable glucose control. After being totally off glyburide for four months, my doctor had my bloodwork done & she e-mailed me the following: >glycosylated hemoglobin Hb A1C--the biochemical measure of glucose >control over the preceding 120 days--and it is 6.6, which is only >slightly above normal. The normal range is 4-6.4. In short, you've >been doing pretty well over the past several months, so I don't think >you need to make any changes presently as long as you keep eating well. It has now been nearly 10 months since going off the glyburide. My fasting glucometer reading vary between 85 and 120, unless I have taken Niacin the day before. My post prandial readings never exceed 150 & are usually 125-135. A year ago, my fasting glucose was 360. I adhere to a strict diet -- but it is *not* the diet suggested by the ADA & the allopaths. I have just bought some Gymnema sylvestre tea (which I mentioned in my previous post on this thread) which I have not yet begun to use. Even if the experiment is not successful, what have I lost? $15 a month. And if the tea actually does regenerate my pancreatic cells? I will possibly extend my life by years and do away with all the old age complications of diabetes -- saving me much grief, physical degradation, and possibly tens of thousands of dollars in medical expenses. Aryuvedic medicine is far older than allopathic medicine. It is a much gentler approach to healing & re-balance than allopathic medicine. I do not think *any* branch of medicine is perfect in all situations. If I get shot by a crook, or if I were to be in a car wreck -- the allopaths are far better at trauma than anyone else. But when the choice is taking an allopathic drug daily for the rest of my life which has known bad side effects & leads inevitably to the degradation of my body's organs & functions, and taking Aryuvedic herbal preparations which may actually reverse organ degradation, I'll go with the Aryuvedic preparations. For more info, see http://www.gourdin.com/ I am not affiliated with this website, other than being a satisfied customer. It is not some multi-level marketing scheme. Alobar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 18, 2002 On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 02:56 AM, Alobar wrote: Please forgive my ignorance, but what does " D.C " stand for? Doctor of Chiropractic. Simply put, I spent 8 years in pursuit of a little piece of paper that would state that I had spent 8 years in pursuit of a little piece of paper. For my money I received a grounding in basic science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Then I want on to get the same education a medical doctor gets in their first year of school i.e. anatomy, physiology, histology, embryology, this and that ology. Bloody rough but I made it through. Now I know how to read books with medical terms and understand them. Basic science IS where it's at. To say research is still being done & the results are not yet proven is one thing, but to say that all indications are " garbage " is yet another. No,no... all the claims made by HGH precursor salesmen are garbage. They are making out like it's mana from heaven or something. It can cure all evils if you just buy their product. I'm sick of it. You ask for human studies. The info I sent earlier on this thread pointed to human studies. I am perplexed. The one peer reviewed study had to do with rats not humans. Admittedly, some humans are rats ( I know many) but the two are not equivalent but similar in some ways. Do you ignore them because they were done in India? Didn't know they are from India but that certainly doesn't give them any credibility. Indians are the biggest scam artists on the planet. I live in " little-India " here in Malaysia and I know the culture. Full or liars and charlatans. On the other side of the coin one of my closest confidants is an Indian and he does business in India on a regular basis and will echo what I've said above. Because much of the researches are being done by Aryuvedic doctors? I put no faith in Aryuvedic practices... then again, I have no faith. Prove it and I'll believe. Is any research or findings not sanctioned by the allopaths in America not worth your consideration? Not all researchers are allopathic. Careful with your generalizations. I'll trust findings that are repeatable. Simple as that. After being totally off glyburide for four months, my doctor had my bloodwork done & she e-mailed me the following: [snip] A year ago, my fasting glucose was 360. I adhere to a strict diet -- but it is *not* the diet suggested by the ADA & the allopaths. Congrats. I believe the #1 reason we get diabetes is our diet. I have just bought some Gymnema sylvestre tea (which I mentioned in my previous post on this thread) which I have not yet begun to use. Even if the experiment is not successful, what have I lost? $15 a month. That doesn't matter. If it's worthless, it's worthless at any price. One might argue that better to do something harmless but worthless than wait for the " scientific " results and find that it's worthwhile. I could only agree with that. My question is this: If you find some change from it, how are you going to prove it was because it was the Beta cells of the Islets of Langerhans that grew back? If it does I'll be all over it and recommending it to my diabetic patients. Until I see real proof that it works I can't do that and what I saw from what you sent me I am not yet convinced and nor should I be. Aryuvedic medicine is far older than allopathic medicine. Older does not mean better automatically. Anything that gives a desired result with minimal negative effects is desirable but there are cases where their are no alternatives. In your case, you got a better deal with Aryuvedic medicine. I also had beneficial results with Aryuvedic medicine when I was having the pain of gall stones. In the end, however, the gall bladder still had to come out. It is a much gentler approach to healing & re-balance than allopathic medicine. I do not think *any* branch of medicine is perfect in all situations. If I get shot by a crook, or if I were to be in a car wreck -- the allopaths are far better at trauma than anyone else. But when the choice is taking an allopathic drug daily for the rest of my life which has known bad side effects & leads inevitably to the degradation of my body's organs & functions, and taking Aryuvedic herbal preparations which may actually reverse organ degradation, I'll go with the Aryuvedic preparations. We don't have a disagreement here. For more info, see http://www.gourdin.com/ I am not affiliated with this website, other than being a satisfied customer. It is not some multi-level marketing scheme. There are other schemes than MLM. I'll have a look sometime this weekend. Forgive me, I think we've gotten off on the wrong foot here. I'm a sceptic of the first order. I don't " believe " in anything be it Chiropractic or Aryuvedic unless I see it work or something comes along to get through my " filters " of bullshit and make me pay attention. I've been in the " alternative " health stuff for 18 years now and a full fledged quack of Chiropractic for 9 of those years. I've seen a lot of stupidity that people fall for regularly. The fads come and go. There is little I trust. Yeah, I'm harsh but then again if I tell you something works you can believe it. Sorry if I'm a bit crusty. Gary L. Green, D.C. Chiropractor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2002 ---Alobar, I thoroughly enjoyed reading about your success with Auryuvedic herbs. Could you tell me the potency of these supplements you're using? Thanks! JoAnn In Gettingwell, " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote: > > - > " Gary Green " <limbsw@p...> > <Gettingwell> > Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:04 AM > Re: re: diabetes > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 03:51 PM, Alobar wrote: > > > It would seem that there are indications that your > statement > > > may be incorrect. See snippets below with referencing URLs. > > > > With all respect sir, a few rat studies and some promo-info from > some > > for-sale sites doesn't change my opinion. Interesting, yes, but I > want > > to see some human studies from somewhere I feel I can trust. Then > I > > will be happy to suggest this " product " to my patients. > > > > I stand by what I said about HGH precursors. They are garbage. > > > > Yours in health and truth. > > > > Gary L. Green, D.C. > > Please forgive my ignorance, but what does " D.C " stand for? > > To say research is still being done & the results are not yet > proven is one thing, but to say that all indications are " garbage " is > yet another. You ask for human studies. The info I sent earlier on > this thread pointed to human studies. I am perplexed. Do you > ignore them because they were done in India? Because much of the > researches are being done by Aryuvedic doctors? Is any research or > findings not sanctioned by the allopaths in America not worth your > consideration? > > When I was diagnosed as a diabetic, my fasting blood sugar > was 360 & I had a non-healing diabetic ulcer on my foot which I had > had for about a year. For 5 months I followed the doctor's advice > & took glyburide daily to maintain blood glucose levels & got my > foot dealt with regularly by a physical therapist (weekly debridement > plus various changes to my footwear plus various bandage changes & > powder put on the wound). > > I hated the glyburide & how it made me feel. I could tell > the glyburide was just not good for me long term. After doing quite > a bit of reading, I discovered Gourdin, an Aryuvedic preparation of > bitter melon & began taking it four times a day in conjunction with > the glyburide. When my foot had completely healed, I told my doctor > I was going to try going off glyburide & maintain my blood glucose > levels with diet plus gourdin alone. My doctor was very much > against this. She said at my age (56), I would not be able to > control my glucose levels with diet alone. but when I told her I was > going to do it anyway, she gave me some guidelines as to what was > acceptable glucose control. > > After being totally off glyburide for four months, my doctor > had my bloodwork done & she e-mailed me the following: > > >glycosylated hemoglobin Hb A1C--the biochemical measure of glucose > >control over the preceding 120 days--and it is 6.6, which is only > >slightly above normal. The normal range is 4-6.4. In short, you've > >been doing pretty well over the past several months, so I don't > think > >you need to make any changes presently as long as you keep eating > well. > > It has now been nearly 10 months since going off the > glyburide. My fasting glucometer reading vary between 85 and 120, > unless I have taken Niacin the day before. My post prandial > readings never exceed 150 & are usually 125-135. A year ago, my > fasting glucose was 360. I adhere to a strict diet -- but it is > *not* the diet suggested by the ADA & the allopaths. > > I have just bought some Gymnema sylvestre tea (which I > mentioned in my previous post on this thread) which I have not yet > begun to use. Even if the experiment is not successful, what have I > lost? $15 a month. And if the tea actually does regenerate my > pancreatic cells? I will possibly extend my life by years and do > away with all the old age complications of diabetes -- saving me much > grief, physical degradation, and possibly tens of thousands of > dollars in medical expenses. > > Aryuvedic medicine is far older than allopathic medicine. > It is a much gentler approach to healing & re-balance than allopathic > medicine. I do not think *any* branch of medicine is perfect in > all situations. If I get shot by a crook, or if I were to be in a > car wreck -- the allopaths are far better at trauma than anyone else. > But when the choice is taking an allopathic drug daily for the rest > of my life which has known bad side effects & leads inevitably to the > degradation of my body's organs & functions, and taking Aryuvedic > herbal preparations which may actually reverse organ degradation, > I'll go with the Aryuvedic preparations. > > For more info, see http://www.gourdin.com/ I am not > affiliated with this website, other than being a satisfied customer. > It is not some multi-level marketing scheme. > > Alobar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 20, 2002 Gary, I like your attitude and am curious of your opinion on a couple of things. The initial door I entered was the chronobiologists, my son was diagnosed with a circadian rhythmn sleep disorder. So that is where I started reading. Are you familiar with this area? In my process, I've hit into ideas that believe diabetes I and II are two totally different pathologies, diabetes I being genetic, there at birth, diabetes II being self induced by over consumption of carbohydrates and the body's defense mechanism throwing into gear and saying no more of that stuff, we are all ready in trouble. Conventional treatment for type II follows the line of reasoning with type I, forcing the body to produce insulin thus inabling the person to continue consumption of carbohydrates. These ideas say you can reverse type II by a high protein-low carb diet - Atkins and Sugar Busters both claim this. Are you familiar with these ideas? Mary - Gary Green Gettingwell Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:39 AM Re: re: diabetes On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 02:56 AM, Alobar wrote: Please forgive my ignorance, but what does " D.C " stand for? Doctor of Chiropractic. Simply put, I spent 8 years in pursuit of a little piece of paper that would state that I had spent 8 years in pursuit of a little piece of paper. For my money I received a grounding in basic science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Then I want on to get the same education a medical doctor gets in their first year of school i.e. anatomy, physiology, histology, embryology, this and that ology. Bloody rough but I made it through. Now I know how to read books with medical terms and understand them. Basic science IS where it's at. To say research is still being done & the results are not yet proven is one thing, but to say that all indications are " garbage " is yet another. No,no... all the claims made by HGH precursor salesmen are garbage. They are making out like it's mana from heaven or something. It can cure all evils if you just buy their product. I'm sick of it. You ask for human studies. The info I sent earlier on this thread pointed to human studies. I am perplexed. The one peer reviewed study had to do with rats not humans. Admittedly, some humans are rats ( I know many) but the two are not equivalent but similar in some ways. Do you ignore them because they were done in India? Didn't know they are from India but that certainly doesn't give them any credibility. Indians are the biggest scam artists on the planet. I live in " little-India " here in Malaysia and I know the culture. Full or liars and charlatans. On the other side of the coin one of my closest confidants is an Indian and he does business in India on a regular basis and will echo what I've said above. Because much of the researches are being done by Aryuvedic doctors? I put no faith in Aryuvedic practices... then again, I have no faith. Prove it and I'll believe. Is any research or findings not sanctioned by the allopaths in America not worth your consideration? Not all researchers are allopathic. Careful with your generalizations. I'll trust findings that are repeatable. Simple as that. After being totally off glyburide for four months, my doctor had my bloodwork done & she e-mailed me the following: [snip] A year ago, my fasting glucose was 360. I adhere to a strict diet -- but it is *not* the diet suggested by the ADA & the allopaths. Congrats. I believe the #1 reason we get diabetes is our diet. I have just bought some Gymnema sylvestre tea (which I mentioned in my previous post on this thread) which I have not yet begun to use. Even if the experiment is not successful, what have I lost? $15 a month. That doesn't matter. If it's worthless, it's worthless at any price. One might argue that better to do something harmless but worthless than wait for the " scientific " results and find that it's worthwhile. I could only agree with that. My question is this: If you find some change from it, how are you going to prove it was because it was the Beta cells of the Islets of Langerhans that grew back? If it does I'll be all over it and recommending it to my diabetic patients. Until I see real proof that it works I can't do that and what I saw from what you sent me I am not yet convinced and nor should I be. Aryuvedic medicine is far older than allopathic medicine. Older does not mean better automatically. Anything that gives a desired result with minimal negative effects is desirable but there are cases where their are no alternatives. In your case, you got a better deal with Aryuvedic medicine. I also had beneficial results with Aryuvedic medicine when I was having the pain of gall stones. In the end, however, the gall bladder still had to come out. It is a much gentler approach to healing & re-balance than allopathic medicine. I do not think *any* branch of medicine is perfect in all situations. If I get shot by a crook, or if I were to be in a car wreck -- the allopaths are far better at trauma than anyone else. But when the choice is taking an allopathic drug daily for the rest of my life which has known bad side effects & leads inevitably to the degradation of my body's organs & functions, and taking Aryuvedic herbal preparations which may actually reverse organ degradation, I'll go with the Aryuvedic preparations. We don't have a disagreement here. For more info, see http://www.gourdin.com/ I am not affiliated with this website, other than being a satisfied customer. It is not some multi-level marketing scheme. There are other schemes than MLM. I'll have a look sometime this weekend. Forgive me, I think we've gotten off on the wrong foot here. I'm a sceptic of the first order. I don't " believe " in anything be it Chiropractic or Aryuvedic unless I see it work or something comes along to get through my " filters " of bullshit and make me pay attention. I've been in the " alternative " health stuff for 18 years now and a full fledged quack of Chiropractic for 9 of those years. I've seen a lot of stupidity that people fall for regularly. The fads come and go. There is little I trust. Yeah, I'm harsh but then again if I tell you something works you can believe it. Sorry if I'm a bit crusty. Gary L. Green, D.C. Chiropractor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 17, 2002 Janet, I use dandelion leaf as a potassium-sparing diuretic. It'll probably help with your husband's swollen ankles and feet, and add slightly more potassium than it'll make him pee out. I tincture it, but you could use it as an infusion too. My fluid retention is because my heart is weak, and the major herb I use to slow and strengthen my heartbeat is hawthorn. Meg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 17, 2002 I have diabetes, and have been controlling it exclusively with diet for over 20 years. It is unusual for diabetic neuropathy to develop so quickly -- but it could happen. That blueberry tea is a good idea, but raw blueberries are much better. I've noticed that blueberries have an instantaneous effect on one key symptom in particular -- " cottonmouth " which is a massive thirst that drinking water won't relieve. So keeping those around at all times is essential at this point. Use the money you might have spent on Hostess snacks for these. Here are a few other things that have worked well for me: VERY high-protein breakfast, such as hamburger or tofu. (Avoid bacon, since it has lots of sugar.) Eating small snacks at any time, provided they are not sugared. Avoiding all candy, cakes, ice cream, soda pop, etc. This can be difficult, especially in many work environments. Using nuts or matzohs as snacks. Avoiding canned foods, at least for now, since most contain sugar. Avoiding large meals in the evening, especially after 8:30. Avoiding fatty foods. Many candy products have more fat than sugar anyway. Using Vitamin E and Lecithin to control circulatory problems. There seem to be more diabetics with Blood Type A. This should be researched. I want to know the answers. If true, then treatment with diet can get a lot more refined. I've noticed that avoiding type A antagonistic foods such as beef and substituting beneficial foods such as tofu has made a huge difference recently. I simply don't get diabetic symptoms on my beneficial foods such as tofu, tempeh, spinach, artichokes, and broccoli. Type A is the most difficult diet to follow for Americans. Anybody out there with other blood types who has diabetes? It appears that Doc's data on sprouting grains would be applicable here. I'm going to check into it myself later this fall, when we get into a position to do sprouting with bulk grain we can get from local farmers. On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:36:39 -0700 Dragonhealer <dragonhealing wrote: > Hi All ~ the last 2 weeks > have been really wild at our house. My DH was > diagnosed with diabetes, his blood > sugar was over 500. A week in ICU and they > couldn't get it below 250. Put him on > 5 shots of insulin per day. Since he's been > home, I've made him a strong tea > with blueberry leaf and stevia. He has had > between 95 and 120 every day but > yesterday when he didn't drink any tea - it > went back to 377. Now his ankles are > swollen and I'm frightened that he is > developing diabetic nephropathy. He is > extremely stubborn regarding natural medicine, > which makes my job harder. I lost > my dad to this disease after it ravaged his > body and finally got to his > heart. > > Also, probably due to > ketoacidosis, his potassium levels are were > (and probably continue to be) way > too low. He goes to see the FP tomorrow. Any > input on this would be greatly > appreciated. > > Janet > > PS ~ Doc, loved the article on sprouted grains. > Its funny, I've been > looking up all the info I can on grains to see > how I can substitute for the > above mentioned DH's grain intake without > making the situation with his pancreas > worse. The sprouted spelt flour is very > reasonably priced, so I think I can > convince him to try some - thanks :-) > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 17, 2002 Hi Michael ; It is such a relief to read your email - 20 years controlling diabetes exclusively with diet . First of all: Congratulations!!! Secondly: Thankyou for this information. I was told I had diabetes two years ago and the doctor wrote a perscription - he said I couldn't control it by diet. Its been two years and I have done even better than I thought I would. It can be controlled by diet. Despite the good results of my blood tests my doctor still asks me if I want the prescription 'yet' - each and every visit. Its so good to know that someone has been successful for 20 years with diet alone - I know I can do it as well ! Thankyou for your encouraging email - it means so much to me! Glenda - " Michael Riversong " <rivedu <herbal remedies > Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:18 AM Re: [herbal remedies] RE: Diabetes > I have diabetes, and have been controlling it exclusively with diet for over > 20 years. > > It is unusual for diabetic neuropathy to develop so quickly -- but it could > happen. That blueberry tea is a good idea, but raw blueberries are much > better. I've noticed that blueberries have an instantaneous effect on one key > symptom in particular -- " cottonmouth " which is a massive thirst that drinking > water won't relieve. So keeping those around at all times is essential at > this point. Use the money you might have spent on Hostess snacks for these. > > Here are a few other things that have worked well for me: > > VERY high-protein breakfast, such as hamburger or tofu. (Avoid bacon, since > it has lots of sugar.) > > Eating small snacks at any time, provided they are not sugared. > > Avoiding all candy, cakes, ice cream, soda pop, etc. This can be difficult, > especially in many work environments. > > Using nuts or matzohs as snacks. > > Avoiding canned foods, at least for now, since most contain sugar. > > Avoiding large meals in the evening, especially after 8:30. > > Avoiding fatty foods. Many candy products have more fat than sugar anyway. > > Using Vitamin E and Lecithin to control circulatory problems. > > There seem to be more diabetics with Blood Type > A. This should be researched. I want to know the answers. If true, then > treatment with diet can get a lot more refined. I've noticed that avoiding > type A antagonistic foods such as beef and substituting beneficial foods such > as tofu has made a huge difference recently. I simply don't get diabetic > symptoms on my beneficial foods such as tofu, tempeh, spinach, artichokes, and > broccoli. Type A is the most difficult diet to follow for Americans. Anybody > out there with other blood types who has diabetes? > > It appears that Doc's data on sprouting grains would be applicable here. I'm > going to check into it myself later this fall, when we get into a position to > do sprouting with bulk grain we can get from local farmers. > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:36:39 -0700 Dragonhealer <dragonhealing > wrote: > > > Hi All ~ the last 2 weeks > > have been really wild at our house. My DH was > > diagnosed with diabetes, his blood > > sugar was over 500. A week in ICU and they > > couldn't get it below 250. Put him on > > 5 shots of insulin per day. Since he's been > > home, I've made him a strong tea > > with blueberry leaf and stevia. He has had > > between 95 and 120 every day but > > yesterday when he didn't drink any tea - it > > went back to 377. Now his ankles are > > swollen and I'm frightened that he is > > developing diabetic nephropathy. He is > > extremely stubborn regarding natural medicine, > > which makes my job harder. I lost > > my dad to this disease after it ravaged his > > body and finally got to his > > heart. > > > > Also, probably due to > > ketoacidosis, his potassium levels are were > > (and probably continue to be) way > > too low. He goes to see the FP tomorrow. Any > > input on this would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Janet > > > > PS ~ Doc, loved the article on sprouted grains. > > Its funny, I've been > > looking up all the info I can on grains to see > > how I can substitute for the > > above mentioned DH's grain intake without > > making the situation with his pancreas > > worse. The sprouted spelt flour is very > > reasonably priced, so I think I can > > convince him to try some - thanks :-) > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 18, 2002 I spoke to someone today who had a lot of success with magnetic need guards.His eighty year old mothers boyfriend who is living with them had problems with sores and cramping due to diabetes and it all cleared up using the magnetic treatment. Tom - Dragonhealer herbal remedies Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:36 PM [herbal remedies] RE: Diabetes Hi All ~ the last 2 weeks have been really wild at our house. My DH was diagnosed with diabetes, his blood sugar was over 500. A week in ICU and they couldn't get it below 250. Put him on 5 shots of insulin per day. Since he's been home, I've made him a strong tea with blueberry leaf and stevia. He has had between 95 and 120 every day but yesterday when he didn't drink any tea - it went back to 377. Now his ankles are swollen and I'm frightened that he is developing diabetic nephropathy. He is extremely stubborn regarding natural medicine, which makes my job harder. I lost my dad to this disease after it ravaged his body and finally got to his heart. Also, probably due to ketoacidosis, his potassium levels are were (and probably continue to be) way too low. He goes to see the FP tomorrow. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. Janet PS ~ Doc, loved the article on sprouted grains. Its funny, I've been looking up all the info I can on grains to see how I can substitute for the above mentioned DH's grain intake without making the situation with his pancreas worse. The sprouted spelt flour is very reasonably priced, so I think I can convince him to try some - thanks :-)Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 18, 2002 If he doesn't like the tofu don't get upset. Few people know how to cook it anyway. And Type O people actually don't tend to do so well on it. Type O is characterized as the meat eaters, so it's very likely ok for him to get his protein from meat. Just make sure the meat is more on the lean side, because fat tends to aggravate the condition too. And use any excuse to put olive oil into the diet. As the diet gets better, it's also vital to exercise. Edema can be cleared up by simple walking if the diet is good. Aspartame generally makes diabetes worse in a lot of subtle ways. It's best to treat the stuff as a deadly poison, which is how it will be regarded someday if we ever come to our senses. At 11:27 PM 9/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >Thank you Michael. He is type O. I have taken him off all canned foods and >the frozen dinners he loved. The protein breakfast is just the thing that >will help me and him, he was having trouble with deciding what to eat for >breakfast. I have fresh blueberries for him, but can't get him to eat them. >Broccoli, spinach, mixed salad greens are on the menu every day. I will pick >up the vitamin E and Lecithin for him. I have some cayenne powdered, but am >hesitant to tincture it because of his ulcer. I bought him some tofu >yesterday and am hoping he will like it. Since he likes the stevia, I am >going to order some powdered for sweetener, as I don't like him having all >the aspartime that is in every sugar-free product. I've said NO to the >prophylactic BP and cholesterol drugs the doctor wanted to put him on, but >it is ultimately up to Kyle (hubby) to decide for himself. The edema on his >lower legs, ankles and feet is my biggest concern right now. I will let you >know how today's doctor visit goes, I am a nervous wreck about it. > >Janet > > -- Michael Riversong ** Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer ** RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399 http://home.earthlink.net/~rivedu -- Educational Site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2003 Wellllllll, hon. The place to begin is with my cassette lecture. I get into the Causes of Diabetes very intensively there. She should listen to it. That would be the place to start. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Fern herbal remedies Monday, July 21, 2003 10:42 PM [herbal remedies] Diabetes Doc, another question for you: you've mentioned numerous times aboutgetting rid of Type II Diabetes. Just how do you go about that? Mymother is diabetic (Type II) and I'd love to see her get it resolved.She also battles high blood pressure, although she's been takinggarlic, Hawthorne, and cod liver oil lately which seems to be helping.Thanks for all the info you share with all of us. I, for one, havebenefited greatly.Fern Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2003 I do have your cassette lecture and have listened to it a couple times, but it's been awhile. I guess I should listen to it again and then pass it on to her. Fern - " Dr. Ian Shillington " <Dr.IanShillington <herbal remedies > Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:46 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Diabetes Wellllllll, hon. The place to begin is with my cassette lecture. I get into the Causes of Diabetes very intensively there. She should listen to it. That would be the place to start. Love, Doc Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. 505-772-5889 Dr.IanShillington - Fern herbal remedies Monday, July 21, 2003 10:42 PM [herbal remedies] Diabetes Doc, another question for you: you've mentioned numerous times about getting rid of Type II Diabetes. Just how do you go about that? My mother is diabetic (Type II) and I'd love to see her get it resolved. She also battles high blood pressure, although she's been taking garlic, Hawthorne, and cod liver oil lately which seems to be helping. Thanks for all the info you share with all of us. I, for one, have benefited greatly. Fern Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2003 Uunngghh, all that typing for nuttin'....;-) All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Fern herbal remedies Monday, July 21, 2003 11:59 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Diabetes I do have your cassette lecture and have listened to it a coupletimes, but it's been awhile. I guess I should listen to it again andthen pass it on to her.Fern Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2003 No problem, Angel. Good reminder to listen to it again! Fern - " Anjeweleyes " <anjewelhaze <herbal remedies > Tuesday, July 22, 2003 1:42 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Diabetes Uunngghh, all that typing for nuttin'....;-) All incoming and outgoing scanned with NAV for both our protection. - Fern herbal remedies Monday, July 21, 2003 11:59 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Diabetes I do have your cassette lecture and have listened to it a couple times, but it's been awhile. I guess I should listen to it again and then pass it on to her. Fern Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2003 After you listen to it again, Fern, let me know if any great ideas come popping out at you. I'm just like your Mom, Type II with high blood pressure. - Anna Fern writes: > I do have your cassette lecture and have listened to it a couple > times, but it's been awhile. I guess I should listen to it again and > then pass it on to her. > > Fern > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2003 This is why one must conceder all factors when saying that CM works for diabetes if there is also life style changes. Every patient with type II diabetes that I have used a very low carb diet on has been able to control their sugar. While if i only rely on herbs the results are more often poor than not Low-Glycemic Index Foods Are Effective for Glycemic Control in DiabeticsConsumption of low-glycemic index (GI) foods is effective in medium-termglycemic control in diabetic patients, according to a report in theAugust issue of Diabetes Care.Reuters Health Information 2003http://mp.medscape.com/cgi-bin1/DM/y/edBz0EDHzl0D2i0FfNB0AX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2003 > if i only rely on herbs the results are more often poor than not But herbs are only part of the TCM armamentarium. Diet is a subject in its own right within TCM. A lovely book written by Dang Yi ( 2001/2 Visiting Professor at Middlesex University School of Health and Social Science) "Chinese Functional Food" 7-80005-555-8/G she quotes an old Chinese proverb in Chapter 1 "medicine and food have the same origin" and of course they do because they are both products of the natural world which we imbibe for some internal effect - there is a sliding scale between nutrition at one end and medicine at the other. I think also high glycemic foods would be described as possessing Yang (or 'energy' as opposed to Yin or 'substance'), and consuming high glycemic foods in quantity would be regarded as a form of Yang excess leading to much the same effect as taking a herb with a strong Yang character. Can you see where this is leading ? I am not really contradicting you about herbs. Some are indeed very powerful and give results in minutes ! Functional food on the other hand takes days or even weeks to show an effect, but effect it has and no less a medicine in its own right. Cheers, Sammy. Alon Marcus [alonmarcus]12 August 2003 20:26 ; pa-l ; pVA-L ; vBMACc: ; traditional_Chinese_Medicine ; acupunctureSubject: Re: Diabetes This is why one must conceder all factors when saying that CM works for diabetes if there is also life style changes. Every patient with type II diabetes that I have used a very low carb diet on has been able to control their sugar. While if i only rely on herbs the results are more often poor than not Low-Glycemic Index Foods Are Effective for Glycemic Control in DiabeticsConsumption of low-glycemic index (GI) foods is effective in medium-termglycemic control in diabetic patients, according to a report in theAugust issue of Diabetes Care.Reuters Health Information 2003http://mp.medscape.com/cgi-bin1/DM/y/edBz0EDHzl0D2i0FfNB0AXFor practitioners, students and those interested in TCM. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, religious, spam messages or flame another member. If you want to change the way you receive email message, i.e. individually, daily digest or none, then visit the groups’ homepage: Chinese Medicine/ Click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2003 But herbs are only part of the TCM armamentarium. Diet is a subject in its own right within TCM >>>>I agree but we need to understand what is making the difference Alon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2003 Hi, I wonder if anyone who is interested in this subject has read Bob Flaws book on Diabetes from a TCM perspective? It is very comprehensive. I also have an extra copy if anyone is interested? Bobbi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 26, 2003 In a message dated 8/26/03 7:29:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jackie writes: The researchers (western and chinese) have lately been looking at endothelin and nitric oxide pathways a lot. Interesting. I believe in some western ways of looking at the beginnings of syndrome X and inflammatory disease they are looking at Folic Acid and B12 pathways. Bobbi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites