Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2002 Looks like you're into some fascinating work! First, marijuana is terrible stuff. It does have several uses, though, in spite of its consistent potential for misuse. Traditional Chinese medicine specifies that an oil pressed from the seeds is a treatment for acne. In China, other uses for that herb were abandoned long ago. Anthropologists have found that there was a religious cult operating around 2,500 BC that included marijuana use as part of its regular practice. The cult died out during the Chou Dynasty, and ever since, the word for marijuana has been an idiom meaning " trouble " . I know that acupuncture has been used to control epilepsy. There were some herbal preparations, but i will have to look those up in an off-site library here. So please post again at the end of the week to remind me about that. There are a number of herbs that could be sold to outside companies. Quinine comes to mind right away. Another one that is seeing increasing demand in the USA is Pau D'Arco, which comes more from Argentina and Paraguay. We have a catalog from a company called " Rainforest Herbs " that is buying a lot from South American sources. You also might want to check with " Cultural Survival " , an activist group in Boston, that specializes in making connections between South American sellers and USA buyers of forest products. Their intention is to help preserve native cultures, partly by making it more worthwhile to keep rain forests intact. There are several herbs that grow in the Venezualan rain forest that might be suitable for production. Not all of these have been completely assessed by scientists, so you may have an open ended project there. The only ones that were ever written up much were Ebne and Yage, and i would not encourage anyone to try and export those. But there are definitely others, which would grow best in natural forest conditions. At 10:26 AM 2/25/02 -0400, you wrote: >I am motivated to write immediately after subscribing, because after I read >the list's files, I was gladly surprised to see that you believe that >psychiatry and psychology are pseudo-sciences. I have epilepsy, was a >chemistry pre-med student (I am from Chile, living in Venezuela since the >september 11, 1973 coup, and ran out of $$), and today I help people with >epilepsy, and am often forced to teach doctors that psychiatry is just cheap >neurology, and that psychology was invented by someone with the same kind of >epielpsy I have (temporal lobe). This made him very good as seeing >consequences, and results, very empathic, but his explanations are not >necessarily scientifically correct. > >Well, I am here because i am researching ancient medicine, especially for >neurological troubles, and I am an activist for the legalization of all >illegal drugs so they can be researched completely. here where I live, I >work with the native americans who live between here and Colombia (I am in >maracaibo, venezuela, near the border), and who have used marihuana as >medicine for centuries. For example, they have taught me to make a mixture >of oil and marihuana, which is applied to the joints that are hurting from >arthritis, and which is an excellent medicine. As a teenager, I learned to >control my seizures by smoking pot. I hate smoking, however, and Marion (the >pharmaceurical created from THC, pot's active ingredient) has not been very >effective for those who have tried it. Why? Because things work better in >the state God created them in!! > >I also have a very large warehouse, where I'm setting up a community center >and a place for street children (I am a tutor of street kids, and a social >entrepreneur). I want to grow herbs there (NOT pot!), to teach these kids we >are rescuing how to work. I had been thinking of doping hydroponics for a >while, but hadn't decided what to grow. I believe nothing would be as >perfect as medicinal herbs! We might even be able to sell some and raise >more funds for our projects? I was a chemistry lab teacher in a US college >by age 17: I can handle chemicals. And my grandmother was a dedicated >gardener in Chile: from her I learned how to handle plants. > >So you might say I am a beginner researcher in natural medicine. > >Vanessa Di Domenico >Proyectos La Esperanza >Venezuela > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 28, 2002 Dear Vanessa, Welcome to the list. Epilepsy can definitely be handled using natural methods. What alternative methods have you used so far??? Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - vanessadd herbal remedies Monday, February 25, 2002 7:26 AM [herbal remedies] epilepsy I am motivated to write immediately after subscribing, because after I readthe list's files, I was gladly surprised to see that you believe thatpsychiatry and psychology are pseudo-sciences. I have epilepsy, was achemistry pre-med student (I am from Chile, living in Venezuela since theseptember 11, 1973 coup, and ran out of $$), and today I help people withepilepsy, and am often forced to teach doctors that psychiatry is just cheapneurology, and that psychology was invented by someone with the same kind ofepielpsy I have (temporal lobe). This made him very good as seeingconsequences, and results, very empathic, but his explanations are notnecessarily scientifically correct.Well, I am here because i am researching ancient medicine, especially forneurological troubles, and I am an activist for the legalization of allillegal drugs so they can be researched completely. here where I live, Iwork with the native americans who live between here and Colombia (I am inmaracaibo, venezuela, near the border), and who have used marihuana asmedicine for centuries. For example, they have taught me to make a mixtureof oil and marihuana, which is applied to the joints that are hurting fromarthritis, and which is an excellent medicine. As a teenager, I learned tocontrol my seizures by smoking pot. I hate smoking, however, and Marion (thepharmaceurical created from THC, pot's active ingredient) has not been veryeffective for those who have tried it. Why? Because things work better inthe state God created them in!!I also have a very large warehouse, where I'm setting up a community centerand a place for street children (I am a tutor of street kids, and a socialentrepreneur). I want to grow herbs there (NOT pot!), to teach these kids weare rescuing how to work. I had been thinking of doping hydroponics for awhile, but hadn't decided what to grow. I believe nothing would be asperfect as medicinal herbs! We might even be able to sell some and raisemore funds for our projects? I was a chemistry lab teacher in a US collegeby age 17: I can handle chemicals. And my grandmother was a dedicatedgardener in Chile: from her I learned how to handle plants.So you might say I am a beginner researcher in natural medicine.Vanessa Di Domenico Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2002 Epilepsy is actually several differnt conditions that all have symptoms similar enough to group them into this name. As you research this, you will find that the current drugs used vary wildly in their effects on people. Current neurologic treatment of this condition is definitely on a trial and error basis. We don't know as much as we should about this. Some conditions are mild. Some are of glandular origin. A few have been tied to food allergies. Definitely some cases are psychosomatic, which doesn't make it any less dangerous. Anyone with epilepsy should be thoroughly interviewed concerning family history and genetic background. This could point to possible food allergies in a few cases. An environmental assessment on sleeping quarters should be done, in case electromagnetic fields are a factor, which they are in an unknown but small percentage of cases. I understand some people have gotten rid of seizures by taking B vitamins and Lecithin. That's neat when it works, and worth trying anyway because these are things that can help in other ways too. Then there are a few cases that will never respond to any treatment or dietary handling. That's something difficult to accept, but it does happen. My wife was on Tegritol for many years, and would have seizures a couple of times a year anyway. Then, she threw away the drug. Since that time, about four years ago, she's had exactly one seizure, a very mild one, about six or seven pre-seizure conditions, and has generally improved her health in many other ways. Her main weapon has simply been avoiding junk foods most of the time. There is something out there called a " ketogenic " diet. I saw a reference on it recently, i think at a Johns Hopkins Medical School site. This has something to do with regulating fats, and has proven successful with many children. Searching on this should bring some interesting results. On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:19:43 -0000 amasita0817 <anewell wrote: > Hi all, > > A friend of mine has epilepsy. So far he is > taking drugs to handle > it. I'm wondering if I can offer him some > natural solutions > instead. Do you guys have any ideas for > natural handlings? What > about natural cures? (Does a cure exist for > this?) > > - Amy > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Yesher, You and your fiance may want to see if there is a cranial sacral therapist in your area. If any of her cranial bones were compressed during the accident, a good therapist can release them so that they can expand normally once again. Hope this helps. Cindy Yesher Message: 3 Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:37:34 -0000 " yesher_lnw " <yesher_lnw Can anyone help me My fiance has a form of epilepsy in which she has petit mal siezures, and we both believe in taking a natural approach to help cure her and I was wondering if anyone knew of any herbs or combination of herbs that may help stop her from having the seizures. Her epilepsy is a result of her aunt striking her on the head when she was a little girl. She's from Africa and I love her so much and she was getting better and then she was an a car accident and now the siezures are occuring more frequently so can someone please help me. Yesher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2005 Rick wrote: > [ ... ] When he is feeling better I will try to make a diagnosis and can > give more information about his energetic system. > One can begin a 5 E diagnosis even now if you can report signs and symptoms as best as you know them. Later these can be refined: Falling - yang leaves region of head. Recover - yang returns once he has lain horizontal for a while. Erratic movement - Wind Unrestrained. Irregular life - systems out of tune, one ponderant, other vacuous. A lot of tension - if this is stress, one tends to LV. 18 years - illness still in early stages, unless prenatal. Songwriter - possibly HT oriented? Creative at night - a Midday Midnight illness. Creative at night - a yang deficient bias. Creative at night - a HT based illness, HT rules wakefulness. Irregular sleep - HT illness bias, HT qi comes and goes. Emotional problems - tend to HT, all emotions end up there. Won't talk - HT qi depleted. Won't talk - a Repletion pattern [Nan Ching 48th Difficult Issue]. There are TCM models for epilepsy, but even then to be certain and safe one needs to work out the 5 E patterns so there are no missteps. Say a little more about his birth, circumstances around it, was he a C section, forceps, easy birth? And if it is not intrusive, maternal history? Above all, what color do you see on his face which is apart from the norm? For instance: Is the face more red that it should be? Is there a malar flush? Is the yin tang red? Very red? Dark splotches? Brown splotches? Is there a greenish tinge anywhere? Eyes: are there capillaries on sclera? On which side? Holmes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2005 > My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture and herbs can > help him? The biggest issue in the differential is the history of the onset, yesterday or years ago, head trauma, infection, idiopathic, etc. which is certainly beyond me, but I strongly advise against considering herb formulas that contain heavy metals (cinnabar, realgar, etc), which is not to say the standard meds don't carry their own heavy price, but at least they're dosage controlled. I hope you're in a country where they're not still doing lobotomy just to see what happens if. In the case of opiate withdrawl convulsions, which I think is different because you don't see the eye rolling, I was able to quiet 2 different persons in less than a minute with strong tuina to the nape of the neck and LI 11. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2005 > " Rick " <rick_kamps1973 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > epilepsy >Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:07:41 -0000 > > >Hello all, > >My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture and herbs can >help him? > >I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can someone help me >with this case? > >I've read something about it is due to Liver , Kidney and Spleen >problems (mostly combined with Phlegm?) What is the mechanism of >Epilepy? > >Yesterday he was taken in the hospital and they did several scan's >on him . They found nothing... It seems that an irregular way of >living have a triggering effect on his epilepsy attacks. (also a lot >of tension) > >He is about 18 years and is a songwriter and his mostly creative >moments are at night. So he has a very irregular sleeping pattern. I >think also that he have trouble's with his emotions. But that is >merely a feeling of myself because he don't talk much about this. > >When he is feeling better I will try to make a diagnosis and can >give more information about his energetic system. > > > >Thanks in advance > >Rick > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2005 Dr. Are Thorensen has found the root of epilepsy to be one of two different elemental phases and what I can remember of his lecture, the kidney was found to be one of them.He reported success in treating one case very close to him where it was the kidney element.Ki 1 and Ki 3 would be the Ac points I would first needle.Of course, if you are good with pulses,then the pulse should help as well.Sincerely,P.Jordan > " Rick " <rick_kamps1973 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > epilepsy >Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:07:41 -0000 > > >Hello all, > >My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture and herbs can >help him? > >I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can someone help me >with this case? > >I've read something about it is due to Liver , Kidney and Spleen >problems (mostly combined with Phlegm?) What is the mechanism of >Epilepy? > >Yesterday he was taken in the hospital and they did several scan's >on him . They found nothing... It seems that an irregular way of >living have a triggering effect on his epilepsy attacks. (also a lot >of tension) > >He is about 18 years and is a songwriter and his mostly creative >moments are at night. So he has a very irregular sleeping pattern. I >think also that he have trouble's with his emotions. But that is >merely a feeling of myself because he don't talk much about this. > >When he is feeling better I will try to make a diagnosis and can >give more information about his energetic system. > > > >Thanks in advance > >Rick > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2005 when he feels a seizure coming on, have him rub LOBELIA EXTRACT on the back of his neck and head. you have to get TEETER CREEK brand, though. it's the only brand with sufficient purity. he should also try to avoid BLINKING LIGHTS. mercurius trismegistus - Rick Chinese Medicine Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:07 AM epilepsy Hello all, My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture and herbs can help him? I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can someone help me with this case? I've read something about it is due to Liver , Kidney and Spleen problems (mostly combined with Phlegm?) What is the mechanism of Epilepy? Yesterday he was taken in the hospital and they did several scan's on him . They found nothing... It seems that an irregular way of living have a triggering effect on his epilepsy attacks. (also a lot of tension) He is about 18 years and is a songwriter and his mostly creative moments are at night. So he has a very irregular sleeping pattern. I think also that he have trouble's with his emotions. But that is merely a feeling of myself because he don't talk much about this. When he is feeling better I will try to make a diagnosis and can give more information about his energetic system. Thanks in advance Rick http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2005 Dear Rick, I don't know if you have been following my weekly posts concerning my wife who started having seizures 15 years ago. Though she later developed symptoms of Parkinsonism (similar to Parkinson's) 4 years later, they seemed to be sequelae of the seizures. Her situation parallels your brother in that she had 5 MRIs, as well as CTscans, and EEG's all of which showed nothing. You are correct that the essence of seizures is Phlegm which indeed originates from the spleen, and but which also invariably has its origin in kidney yin deficiency and liver wind. However what causes the seizures is the wind/phlegm rising upward and misting the heart channel. Checking his tongue you will most probably see a red tip and his pulses will probably be slippery and wiry. Also, you might note that during or immediately following his seizures, you will be able to hear a phlegmy raspiness in his breathing and he will probably be drooling thick clear phlegm. BTW, my wife was also an artist and a night person who had erratic sleep patterns, and invariably was awake at 1AM (liver time). Below I am posting my original letter to CHA from January. I suggest that you review the archives as much could be relevant to him. Good luck and a speedy recovery, Yehuda ___________- Here it is: 15 years ago, my wife of 26 years had the first of many seizures which have occured cyclically every 3 weeks, followed the next week by post-ictal " aftershocks " . 4 years later, she developed Parkinson's like symptoms. Yet the results of numerous MRIs, CTscans and EEGs came out negative. To further complicate the picture, she has proven to be pan-allergic to western medicine and nearly died from a Steven's Johnson reaction to a state of the art anti-convulsant, lamictal. It was because of her condition and the lack of success of the more than 250 practitioners: Western, Oriental, conventional and alternative that we saw, that I decided to close my business of 21 years and study Oriental medicine and Craniosacral therapy. Though the seizures have not yet been resolved, I am seeing definite improvement in her symptoms, and am very hopeful for a full resolution. Western medicine has a passion for putting names to syndromes, and the problem is when they don't fit into the cookbook. So, is it epilepsy? (where's the lesion? They aren't pseudo seizures because they were recorded through telemetry at UCLA) . Is there such a thing as functional epilepsy without a structural hot spot? Is it Parkinson's? The hallmark of Parkinson's is resting tremors, whereas Chana has motion tremors. Bottom line, there are elements of both, but the Western DX has been established as " Sympathetic hypertonicity " . Over the 4 years in school, we worked with all of my clinical supervisors, as well as many of my professors. Each time, it got to the point where they either gave up, or we decided to move on as we were unable to see any change or lasting improvement. Usually, we gave them anywhere between 6 month to a year. A little over a year ago, we began working with my professor, Zhang Ji. His approach has yielded results, and my wife has been very responsive to extremely subtle changes in herbs and dosages. As with any cycle, her tongue and pulse changes at the different stages. As a result, her herbs change weekly. It is my hope that as the fine-tuning process continues, the seizures will cease. In summary, her condition has consisted of excess fire, mixed with deficient heat, yin and blood deficiency, liver wind, and phlegm accumulation. What I would like to do, is bring you on board as we proceed week by week, and present the signs symptoms and herbs with dosages chosen to address them. But before I begin with last Thursday's session, I want to let you know what Ed Kasper has added to the picture. Two weeks ago, he mentioned in a passionate CHA post, " the Parkinson's recovery project " in Santa Cruz. They have apparently cured Parkinson's with just acupuncture and tui na. I looked up their site, and sent for their practitioners handbook. In sum, what Janice Walton-Hadlock found was that injuries to the foot, usually around ST42, created electrical blockages in the Yang ming channels, causing PD. The idea that the yang ming channels qi could get stuck as a result of an injury, and diverted and eventually completely blocked makes a lot of sense I have not received a response from them yet as to whether they have come across cases like Chana's, but it is eye-opening to consider that illness, and not just Parkinson's but other illnesses as well, could be bio-chemically based imbalances, (Yin disorders), electrically based imbalances (Yang disorders) or both. Intriguingly, I began treating her with tuina and CST, in the areas of ST35 and ST31 where in the past she had had significant injuries, and guess what? Her tremors are less! Coincidence? Dumb luck? I don't know. But intriguing and worthy of further study. This development, too, I will appraise you of. Interestingly, as I write this, I flash back to one of our stops, in Switzerland, where a naturopathic MD injected scars, based upon " neural therapy " whereby it is believed that scar tissue blocks the flow of the body's energy and leads to pathology. It is based upon the research of the Huneke brothers in Germany 75 years ago. Anyway, Chana's last seizure was Dec. 29. We saw Dr. Zhang on Jan 6. At the time she had had a very difficult week. Sleep was very poor, constant muscle spasms, very weak, increased nocturia, tongue and chin constantly moving, difficulty comprehending, neck, chin and jaw very sensitive to the touch. Her tongue had little coating, normal body color, red tip and cracks. The pulses were wiry and choppy on both wrists. The formula prescribed was: Sheng di huang 30, xuan shen 15, mai men dong 12, bai shao yao 15, gui ban 15, bie Jia 15, zhen zhu mu 15, yu zhu 12, bai he 15, gou teng 15, sang piao xiao 12, di long 9, chan tui 9, suan zao ren 15, ye jiao teng 12, wu wei zi 9. Taken separately in capsule form: quan xie 3 and wu gong 3, and da huang 3.5 grams daily. Remember, before second guessing, this formula has evolved from more than a year of weekly changes, and is anything but arbitrary. I would be glad to expain or discuss any aspect of the formula should there be any need for clarification. On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 03:30:16 -0800 (PST) Rick <rick_kamps1973 writes: > > > > Hello all, > > My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture and herbs can > help him? > > I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can someone help me > with this case? > > I've read something about it is due to Liver , Kidney and Spleen > problems (mostly combined with Phlegm?) What is the mechanism of > Epilepy? > > Yesterday he was taken in the hospital and they did several scan's > on him . They found nothing... It seems that an irregular way of > living have a triggering effect on his epilepsy attacks. (also a lot > of tension) > > He is about 18 years and is a songwriter and his mostly creative > moments are at night. So he has a very irregular sleeping pattern. I > think also that he have trouble's with his emotions. But that is > merely a feeling of myself because he don't talk much about this. > > When he is feeling better I will try to make a diagnosis and can > give more information about his energetic system. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Rick > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 3, 2005 Rick: Epilepsy has long been known and recognized in Chinese medicine. There are acupoints and herbal formulations that can be used to treat this. Epilepsy and certain forms of mania and withdrawal were once considered caused by the same factors in Chinese medicine, they share the same linguistic root word and were treated by what are known as the Thirteen Ghost Points. Your brother sounds as if he has symptoms of both. Do try to get him to a practitioner as soon as possible, and steer him away from people who might want to use your brother's brain to fool around with surgery. They will cause no end of harm to him. Regards, Jack --- Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: > > > Hello all, > > My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture > and herbs can help him? > > I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can > someone help me with this case? > > I've read something about it is due to Liver , > Kidney and Spleen problems (mostly combined with > Phlegm?) What is the mechanism of Epilepy? > > Yesterday he was taken in the hospital and they did > several scan's on him . They found nothing... It > seems that an irregular way of living have a > triggering effect on his epilepsy attacks. (also a > lot of tension) > > He is about 18 years and is a songwriter and his > mostly creative moments are at night. So he has a > very irregular sleeping pattern. I think also that > he have trouble's with his emotions. But that is > merely a feeling of myself because he don't talk > much about this. > > When he is feeling better I will try to make a > diagnosis and can give more information about his > energetic system. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Rick > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > " The ills of the flesh are unknown to the man who absorbs and distributes prana with accuracy. " http://www.geocities.com/mojavecowboy/clinicgz.htm Guangzhou Clinic, China Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2005 Thanks for all the responses!!! Indeed Yehuda, he had a phlegmy raspiness in his breathing while he lies in the hospital. Also one day after the attack he had a terrible thirst the whole time. On further diagnosis I found out that there is an underlying Kidney Yin Xu : - Lower back pain (intermittent) - painfull knees - Dark yellow urine - sometimes dizzines - tiredness (especially after the attack) - Feeling of heat in the afternoon - tinnitus Liver Symptoms; - sometimes feelings of anger and irritability - sometimes a dull headache at the top of his head (Du 20) I can't find any Spleen symptoms except Abdominal distension after eating (but that can be due to Liver problems) Also I can't find any other Phlegm or Dampness symptoms. (except the Phlegmy raspiness in his breathing after the attack). His left Kidney position on the pulse was deep and weak His pulse in general is floating and fast. His Liver pulse feels rather thin than wiry or tense. Could it be Liver Wind due to rising of Liver Yang ?(Kidney-Liver Yin Xu) Ave talked about an earpoint that could be used for epilepsy , Which point is this? Best wishes and Thanks a lot! Rick Yehuda L Frischman < wrote: Dear Rick, I don't know if you have been following my weekly posts concerning my wife who started having seizures 15 years ago. Though she later developed symptoms of Parkinsonism (similar to Parkinson's) 4 years later, they seemed to be sequelae of the seizures. Her situation parallels your brother in that she had 5 MRIs, as well as CTscans, and EEG's all of which showed nothing. You are correct that the essence of seizures is Phlegm which indeed originates from the spleen, and but which also invariably has its origin in kidney yin deficiency and liver wind. However what causes the seizures is the wind/phlegm rising upward and misting the heart channel. Checking his tongue you will most probably see a red tip and his pulses will probably be slippery and wiry. Also, you might note that during or immediately following his seizures, you will be able to hear a phlegmy raspiness in his breathing and he will probably be drooling thick clear phlegm. BTW, my wife was also an artist and a night person who had erratic sleep patterns, and invariably was awake at 1AM (liver time). Below I am posting my original letter to CHA from January. I suggest that you review the archives as much could be relevant to him. Good luck and a speedy recovery, Yehuda ___________- Here it is: 15 years ago, my wife of 26 years had the first of many seizures which have occured cyclically every 3 weeks, followed the next week by post-ictal " aftershocks " . 4 years later, she developed Parkinson's like symptoms. Yet the results of numerous MRIs, CTscans and EEGs came out negative. To further complicate the picture, she has proven to be pan-allergic to western medicine and nearly died from a Steven's Johnson reaction to a state of the art anti-convulsant, lamictal. It was because of her condition and the lack of success of the more than 250 practitioners: Western, Oriental, conventional and alternative that we saw, that I decided to close my business of 21 years and study Oriental medicine and Craniosacral therapy. Though the seizures have not yet been resolved, I am seeing definite improvement in her symptoms, and am very hopeful for a full resolution. Western medicine has a passion for putting names to syndromes, and the problem is when they don't fit into the cookbook. So, is it epilepsy? (where's the lesion? They aren't pseudo seizures because they were recorded through telemetry at UCLA) . Is there such a thing as functional epilepsy without a structural hot spot? Is it Parkinson's? The hallmark of Parkinson's is resting tremors, whereas Chana has motion tremors. Bottom line, there are elements of both, but the Western DX has been established as " Sympathetic hypertonicity " . Over the 4 years in school, we worked with all of my clinical supervisors, as well as many of my professors. Each time, it got to the point where they either gave up, or we decided to move on as we were unable to see any change or lasting improvement. Usually, we gave them anywhere between 6 month to a year. A little over a year ago, we began working with my professor, Zhang Ji. His approach has yielded results, and my wife has been very responsive to extremely subtle changes in herbs and dosages. As with any cycle, her tongue and pulse changes at the different stages. As a result, her herbs change weekly. It is my hope that as the fine-tuning process continues, the seizures will cease. In summary, her condition has consisted of excess fire, mixed with deficient heat, yin and blood deficiency, liver wind, and phlegm accumulation. What I would like to do, is bring you on board as we proceed week by week, and present the signs symptoms and herbs with dosages chosen to address them. But before I begin with last Thursday's session, I want to let you know what Ed Kasper has added to the picture. Two weeks ago, he mentioned in a passionate CHA post, " the Parkinson's recovery project " in Santa Cruz. They have apparently cured Parkinson's with just acupuncture and tui na. I looked up their site, and sent for their practitioners handbook. In sum, what Janice Walton-Hadlock found was that injuries to the foot, usually around ST42, created electrical blockages in the Yang ming channels, causing PD. The idea that the yang ming channels qi could get stuck as a result of an injury, and diverted and eventually completely blocked makes a lot of sense I have not received a response from them yet as to whether they have come across cases like Chana's, but it is eye-opening to consider that illness, and not just Parkinson's but other illnesses as well, could be bio-chemically based imbalances, (Yin disorders), electrically based imbalances (Yang disorders) or both. Intriguingly, I began treating her with tuina and CST, in the areas of ST35 and ST31 where in the past she had had significant injuries, and guess what? Her tremors are less! Coincidence? Dumb luck? I don't know. But intriguing and worthy of further study. This development, too, I will appraise you of. Interestingly, as I write this, I flash back to one of our stops, in Switzerland, where a naturopathic MD injected scars, based upon " neural therapy " whereby it is believed that scar tissue blocks the flow of the body's energy and leads to pathology. It is based upon the research of the Huneke brothers in Germany 75 years ago. Anyway, Chana's last seizure was Dec. 29. We saw Dr. Zhang on Jan 6. At the time she had had a very difficult week. Sleep was very poor, constant muscle spasms, very weak, increased nocturia, tongue and chin constantly moving, difficulty comprehending, neck, chin and jaw very sensitive to the touch. Her tongue had little coating, normal body color, red tip and cracks. The pulses were wiry and choppy on both wrists. The formula prescribed was: Sheng di huang 30, xuan shen 15, mai men dong 12, bai shao yao 15, gui ban 15, bie Jia 15, zhen zhu mu 15, yu zhu 12, bai he 15, gou teng 15, sang piao xiao 12, di long 9, chan tui 9, suan zao ren 15, ye jiao teng 12, wu wei zi 9. Taken separately in capsule form: quan xie 3 and wu gong 3, and da huang 3.5 grams daily. Remember, before second guessing, this formula has evolved from more than a year of weekly changes, and is anything but arbitrary. I would be glad to expain or discuss any aspect of the formula should there be any need for clarification. On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 03:30:16 -0800 (PST) Rick <rick_kamps1973 writes: > > > > Hello all, > > My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture and herbs can > help him? > > I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can someone help me > with this case? > > I've read something about it is due to Liver , Kidney and Spleen > problems (mostly combined with Phlegm?) What is the mechanism of > Epilepy? > > Yesterday he was taken in the hospital and they did several scan's > on him . They found nothing... It seems that an irregular way of > living have a triggering effect on his epilepsy attacks. (also a lot > of tension) > > He is about 18 years and is a songwriter and his mostly creative > moments are at night. So he has a very irregular sleeping pattern. I > think also that he have trouble's with his emotions. But that is > merely a feeling of myself because he don't talk much about this. > > When he is feeling better I will try to make a diagnosis and can > give more information about his energetic system. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Rick > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 6, 2005 ---I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can someone help me with this case? now i do not know which is more effective either chinese medicine or this but looking into both may be the way forward Epilepsy Be sure that you have read carefully the cayce philosophy page as missing any one of the principles there could cost you in some form ¡V we know we have done it. One of the most important principles outlined by cayce and others where people are suffering from any condition is to do everything they can to help others in whatever capacity they can. Cayce frequently mentioned that this would bring faster results. This is a great ingredient in helping all people to transmute their own karma. i can only emphasis to you the importance of doing this ,try and do somethig to aid and help people in a way to do with their heaqlth See other pages on this particularly important treatment. Conventional treatment Epilepsy is a disorder, which takes the form of recurring seizures. Seizures can be sudden uncontrolled episodes of electrochemical activity in the brain. Brain cells normally communicate with each other in a coordinated way to control our conscious state and body movements. During a seizure this communication is temporarily disturbed and becomes uncoordinated. Many factors can contribute to the development of epilepsy including brain infections, head injuries, cerebral tumors and strokes. It is also now recognized that some types of epilepsy may be inherited. 60-75% of people with epilepsy can have their seizures reduced or completely controlled with medications known as anti-epileptic drugs These do not cure epilepsy but they can usually improve seizure control and thereby enhance the quality of life for the majority of people. They are not without their side effects some of which can be severe First aid for seizures Firstly, make sure that the person is not near anything that could harm them; hard or sharp objects should be removed or the person should be gently moved away from danger. You should not attempt to restrain the person or try to stop the jerking. You should never try to put anything in a person's mouth while they are having a seizure. Although they may bite their tongue, they cannot actually swallow it (an old myth). Attempting to force the mouth open may break their teeth and damage the tissues inside their mouth and throat. If possible, roll the person onto their side during the seizure and keep the head supported with a small pillow or cushion. This will ensure that the excessive saliva and any vomit or blood, which builds up in the mouth during a seizure, drains out of the mouth. It also helps to make breathing easier. If you don't have help, keep the person's head supported during the seizure - use a pillow or cushion if available. This is to prevent the person from injuring their head and to help saliva drain out of their mouth. As soon as the seizure is over, turn them onto one side to enable the contents of the mouth to readily drain out and to help clear the airway to make breathing easier. Stay with the person until they have fully recovered. They may remain confused or drowsy for some time after the seizure. Try to reassure them, it is not usually necessary to call an ambulance. However, if a seizure lasts more than 5 minutes or one seizure follows another without the person regaining consciousness, call an ambulance immediately. Remember protect the person from injury, ensure they are breathing, help make breathing easier and stay with the person until the seizure is over. There are many different types of seizures. Seizures may appear as any of the following: „h confusion and disorientation „h unusual, sudden body movements such as stiffening and jerking „h a convulsion with total loss of consciousness „h temporarily altered behavior „h staring and blinking „h a frightened look or lack of response „h a strange feeling or unusual taste „h lip smacking and chewing „h walking around without any purpose „h fiddling with clothes/objects nearby „h speaking in an unintelligible way Seizures can also be different for each person. Common seizure triggers include: „h forgetting or failing to take prescribed medication; „h illness with a high temperature; „h diarrhea and vomiting (which is known to prevent the absorption of any medication); „h fatigue; „h over-excitement; „h hysteria; „h stress; „h fear; „h Loud noises and bright lights. „h General anesthetics can also bring on a seizure for some people. Most epileptic fits can be controlled with medication but these are not without their side effects, some of which can be quite severe. Some of the known side effects of certain drugs include fatigue, dizziness, irritability, double vision, nausea, rashes, tremors and gum swelling. Alternative Treatment Edgar cayce gave over 250 readings for epilepsy and associated disorders. In Reba Ann karps book a study was made of about 84 readings for 37 people with an age range of 20 months to 62 yrs old. There are quite a few files at the A.R.E. which members can research further and anyone contemplating treatment would well advised to consult with them. Causes 1.Most frequently mentioned was glandular imbalances, which implied adhesions and lesions in the lacteal area of the intestines. 2. Other glands were mentioned particularly the pineal. 3. In 16 cases spinal sublaxations and lesions were found to be a direct cause with mention of other vertebrae out of alignment in any part of the spine. These misalignments would interfere with the proper supply of nutrients and or nerve impulses which were needed in other parts of the body the lack of which would result in seizures. 4. Injuries which were mentioned in 16 cases whether the injuries were caused at birth or later in life these were again interfering with the proper flow of nutrients and or nerve pathways. 5.Poor eliminations which tended to increase the severity of the disorder in 11 cases.A sluggish excretory system would lead to a build up of toxins which were very injurous to the nerves and glands. 6. Karma, the meeting of selves actions whether done in this life or the past ones. 7. Prenatal factors was also mentioned in 8 cases, a mothers poor diet Treatment 1.Dietary changes were outlined in 25 cases with the emphasis placed on light alkaline reacting foods, which were high in minerals and would be easily assimilated.See general health & cayce philosophy. Fried foods and heavy meats were to be avoided. 2.Spinal manipulation in the form of osteopathic adjustments, frequent areas for consideration were the 123 cervical vertebrae which directly control impulses to the brain.Cayce saw that these adjustments would eventually break up the lesions and restore proper alignment, a lengthy series was often prescribed. 3.To help break up the lesions in the lacteal are castor oil packs were generally recommended, which were made up from flannel soaked in warm castor oil which were applied daily over the abdomen for 1 hr and were kept warm with an electric heating pad. Internal doses of olive oil often went with the packs. After the packs had been on for an hour a rinse with bicarb of soda in water followed. 4.Electrotherapy treatments were suggested in 14 cases. most frequently the wet cell and the impedance device and occasionally the violet ray and the ultraviolet light. These were to help restore coordination in the nervous system and to improve circulation. 5.Internal doses of a tonic or tea made from the passionflower herb sometimes called maypops, may blossom. This was used to strengthen the nerve and restore nervous coordination and also act as a sedative. To make this tea add one gallon of the dried passion flower herb, include blossom and fruit, to two gallons of distilled water, this was to simmer in a glass container until reduced to until their was two quarts of the liquid left when strained .To this liquid add one pint of 90 grain alcohol was to be added .The dosage recommended was to be three tablespoons daily taken at meal times. 6.Massages were recommended to 15 people over the spine and other areas to relax the body and help remove the lesions, peanut oil and olive oil and or cocoa butter was to be used with the massage. 7.To cleanse the system and reduce pressures on the spine, enemas and colonics or mild laxatives such as castoria and olive oil. 8 Two unusual treatments which were used with considerable success involved salt and ice. The first was to place a pinch of salt on the persons tongue to relax the body and to help prevent the occurrence of seizures .The ice was to applied at the base of the brain to reduce the severity of the seizures. Apply a small piece of ice rubbed along the base of the brain, at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd cervical, this will cause an IMMEDIATE reaction; which will stop the attacks 9. Of course spiritual healing/reiki as ever can be of considerable benefit in all types of maladies.I would encourage everyone to add this to their healing protocol. Of note abdominal adhesions in most cases of epilepsy are in the lacteal ducts. These are part of the lymphatic system. Their purpose is to absorb nutrients from the small intestine as digested food passes through the intestine. Any obstructions or Adhesions in the lacteal ducts can interfere with absorption of nutrients (particularly fats and proteins). Also, adhesions can interfere with the circulation of blood and lymph and cause the nervous system and organs to be thrown out of balance or " coordination. " Nervous system incoordination was a primary factor cited in the Cayce readings on epilepsy. Cayce said most cases of epilepsy were caused by adhesions in the lacteal ducts of the abdomen. Treatment is directed at breaking up adhesions in the lacteal duct area, which is located along the right side of the abdomen. One therapy recommended by Cayce for breaking up these adhesions was castor oil packs. When a piece of flannel cloth is saturated with hot castor oil and placed on the abdomen, the combination of the heat and oil will break up the adhesions associated with epilepsy. The hot castor oil pack is placed over the right side of the abdomen in the area of the lacteal ducts for about an hour. Three sessions per week were typically recommended. Each session followed by an abdominal massage, which assists in breaking up adhesions. In 34 cases of epilepsy so studied and abstracted in which there were 17 cases of each sex represented, with an age range from five years to sixty-four years, four were of petite mal, two of each sex, one was petite mal resulting from a brain scar and 29 cases were grand mal or Jacksonian epilepsy. Edgar Cayce found involvement in the lacteals in all the cases except where a brain scar or tumor was the etiological factor. He found lesions in the cervical or neck segments in all these cases, and in the coccyx, adjacent to the chorda-equinus (the great sympathetic nerve plexus at the tip of the tailbone). Then he found lesions in the dorsal (thoracic) segments and lumbars next in frequency, while involvement of the caecum, pineal glands; ovaries and gall bladder were infrequent. Specific measures were repeated again and again. Manipulation and mobilization to free up lesions in the cervical and coccygeal areas were given. The use of the infusions of passion flower were given in approximately fifty per cent of the cases, while castor oil packs over the lacteals was almost a hundred per cent routine, while the use of Insulin shock, brain surgery, hysterectomies, the use of bromides and luminal or dilantin were most infrequently indicated. phil In Chinese Traditional Medicine , Rick <rick_kamps1973> wrote: > > > Hello all, > > My brother have epilepsy and I wonder if acupuncture and herbs can help him? > > I am not familiar with this disorder , so maybe can someone help me with this case? > > I've read something about it is due to Liver , Kidney and Spleen problems (mostly combined with Phlegm?) What is the mechanism of Epilepy? > > Yesterday he was taken in the hospital and they did several scan's on him . They found nothing... It seems that an irregular way of living have a triggering effect on his epilepsy attacks. (also a lot of tension) > > He is about 18 years and is a songwriter and his mostly creative moments are at night. So he has a very irregular sleeping pattern. I think also that he have trouble's with his emotions. But that is merely a feeling of myself because he don't talk much about this. > > When he is feeling better I will try to make a diagnosis and can give more information about his energetic system. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Rick > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 7, 2005 Dear Rick, As you say, classic kd yin xu, and the deficient heat which burns the body fluids (and of course causes the thirst) has a major impact on the pathogenesis of the phlegm, and the concurrent lv yang rising (dizziness, anger, irritability, du 20 headache) which also is accompanied by lv wind, as you mention. As is many times the case, the pulses are amazingly revealing: > His left Kidney position on the pulse was deep and weak > His pulse in general is floating and fast. > His Liver pulse feels rather thin than wiry or tense. Remember that many times, liver blood xu accompanies kd yin xu, and I would suspect that that might be the case here. I would suspect that the floating fast pulse is a manifestation of heat and deficiency. Remember that if pulse is floating on the superficial level, but empty on the deep level it indicates yin deficiency. Also, what about his tongue? About the phlegm, and no obvious apparent signs from tongue and pulse, don't be fooled by a lack of slippery pulse. The Yin xu might be so severe so as to conceal phlegm heat deep inside. Remember, emotional wierdness and irritability can also be a manifestation of phlegm. All the best, Yehuda On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Rick <rick_kamps1973 writes: > > > Thanks for all the responses!!! > > Indeed Yehuda, he had a phlegmy raspiness in his breathing while he > lies in the hospital. > Also one day after the attack he had a terrible thirst the whole > time. > On further diagnosis I found out that there is an underlying Kidney > Yin Xu : > > - Lower back pain (intermittent) > - painfull knees > - Dark yellow urine > - sometimes dizzines > - tiredness (especially after the attack) > - Feeling of heat in the afternoon > - tinnitus > > Liver Symptoms; > > - sometimes feelings of anger and irritability > - sometimes a dull headache at the top of his head (Du 20) > > I can't find any Spleen symptoms except Abdominal distension after > eating (but that can be due to Liver problems) Also I can't find any > other Phlegm or Dampness symptoms. (except the Phlegmy raspiness in > his breathing after the attack). > > His left Kidney position on the pulse was deep and weak > His pulse in general is floating and fast. > His Liver pulse feels rather thin than wiry or tense. > > Could it be Liver Wind due to rising of Liver Yang ?(Kidney-Liver > Yin Xu)> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 7, 2005 Didn't some of the Cayce readings refer to a cold spot in the abdomen in many cases of epilepsy? > 8 Two unusual treatments which were used with considerable success > involved salt and ice. The first was to place a pinch of salt on the > persons tongue to relax the body and to help prevent the occurrence > of seizures .The ice was to applied at the base of the brain to > reduce the severity of the seizures. Apply a small piece of ice > rubbed along the base of the brain, at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd > cervical, this will cause an IMMEDIATE reaction; which will stop the > attacks The salt on the tongue is not as unusual as some may think. One of the things that can trigger an epileptic seizure in some individuals is if electrolytes in the blood become too diluted. If a person drinks a lot of water and doesn't eat anything, this can trigger a seizure. Actually, drinking a lot of water and not eating something can be dangerous for anyone, but especially for someone with epilepsy. A reminder that some minerals can be lost through sweat. A typical scenario is the person becomes dehydrated because of exercise or heavy work. The person has lost minerals through sweat, and if the person drinks a large amount of water without eating something, what electrolytes that are left become dilute when that water increases blood volume. TCM formulas for the Kidneys sometimes will include the instruction to take with a pinch of salt. Salt is what is known as a " guide " " herb " . (To make things simple, substances other than plants are refered to as " herbs " .) A guide herb is one that will direct the formula to a specific Organ. > Of note abdominal adhesions in most cases of epilepsy are in the > lacteal ducts. These are part of the lymphatic system. Their purpose > is to absorb nutrients from the small intestine as digested food > passes through the intestine. Any obstructions or Adhesions in the > lacteal ducts can interfere with absorption of nutrients > (particularly fats and proteins). Also, adhesions can interfere with > the circulation of blood and lymph and cause the nervous system and > organs to be thrown out of balance or " coordination. " Nervous system > incoordination was a primary factor cited in the Cayce readings on > epilepsy. > > Cayce said most cases of epilepsy were caused by adhesions in the > lacteal ducts of the abdomen. Treatment is directed at breaking up > adhesions in the lacteal duct area, which is located along the right > side of the abdomen. > One therapy recommended by Cayce for breaking up these adhesions was > castor oil packs. I just want to emphasize something here for the readers who are unfamiliar with Cayce. One of the things that castor oil packs do is to improve lymph circulation. Note the reference to the lymphatic system in the first paragraph. There are MDS and DOs who use the Cayce readings. The ARE website probably have a list of MDs and DOs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 7, 2005 --- certainly did i have a file on this if anyare interested -nicet to see someone is taking note phil In Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon> wrote: > > > Didn't some of the Cayce readings refer to a cold spot in the > abdomen in many cases of epilepsy? > > > 8 Two unusual treatments which were used with considerable success > > involved salt and ice. The first was to place a pinch of salt on > the > > persons tongue to relax the body and to help prevent the > occurrence > > of seizures .The ice was to applied at the base of the brain to > > reduce the severity of the seizures. Apply a small piece of ice > > rubbed along the base of the brain, at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd > > cervical, this will cause an IMMEDIATE reaction; which will stop > the > > attacks > > The salt on the tongue is not as unusual as some may think. One of > the things that can trigger an epileptic seizure in some individuals > is if electrolytes in the blood become too diluted. If a person > drinks a lot of water and doesn't eat anything, this can trigger a > seizure. Actually, drinking a lot of water and not eating something > can be dangerous for anyone, but especially for someone with > epilepsy. A reminder that some minerals can be lost through sweat. > A typical scenario is the person becomes dehydrated because of > exercise or heavy work. The person has lost minerals through sweat, > and if the person drinks a large amount of water without eating > something, what electrolytes that are left become dilute when that > water increases blood volume. > > TCM formulas for the Kidneys sometimes will include the instruction > to take with a pinch of salt. Salt is what is known as > a " guide " " herb " . (To make things simple, substances other than > plants are refered to as " herbs " .) A guide herb is one that will > direct the formula to a specific Organ. > > > Of note abdominal adhesions in most cases of epilepsy are in the > > lacteal ducts. These are part of the lymphatic system. Their > purpose > > is to absorb nutrients from the small intestine as digested food > > passes through the intestine. Any obstructions or Adhesions in the > > lacteal ducts can interfere with absorption of nutrients > > (particularly fats and proteins). Also, adhesions can interfere > with > > the circulation of blood and lymph and cause the nervous system > and > > organs to be thrown out of balance or " coordination. " Nervous > system > > incoordination was a primary factor cited in the Cayce readings on > > epilepsy. > > > > Cayce said most cases of epilepsy were caused by adhesions in the > > lacteal ducts of the abdomen. Treatment is directed at breaking up > > adhesions in the lacteal duct area, which is located along the > right > > side of the abdomen. > > One therapy recommended by Cayce for breaking up these adhesions > was > > castor oil packs. > > I just want to emphasize something here for the readers who are > unfamiliar with Cayce. One of the things that castor oil packs do is > to improve lymph circulation. Note the reference to the lymphatic > system in the first paragraph. > > There are MDS and DOs who use the Cayce readings. The ARE website > probably have a list of MDs and DOs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 8, 2005 Phil: where does one find the Cayce readings on medicine? Jack --- pjb12345uk <pho wrote: > > > --- certainly did > i have a file on this if anyare interested -nicet to > see someone is > taking note > > phil > > In Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon " > > <victoria_dragon> wrote: > > > > > > Didn't some of the Cayce readings refer to a cold > spot in the > > abdomen in many cases of epilepsy? > > > > > 8 Two unusual treatments which were used with > considerable > success > > > involved salt and ice. The first was to place a > pinch of salt on > > the > > > persons tongue to relax the body and to help > prevent the > > occurrence > > > of seizures .The ice was to applied at the base > of the brain to > > > reduce the severity of the seizures. Apply a > small piece of ice > > > rubbed along the base of the brain, at the 1st, > 2nd and 3rd > > > cervical, this will cause an IMMEDIATE reaction; > which will stop > > the > > > attacks > > > > The salt on the tongue is not as unusual as some > may think. One of > > the things that can trigger an epileptic seizure > in some > individuals > > is if electrolytes in the blood become too > diluted. If a person > > drinks a lot of water and doesn't eat anything, > this can trigger a > > seizure. Actually, drinking a lot of water and not > eating > something > > can be dangerous for anyone, but especially for > someone with > > epilepsy. A reminder that some minerals can be > lost through > sweat. > > A typical scenario is the person becomes > dehydrated because of > > exercise or heavy work. The person has lost > minerals through > sweat, > > and if the person drinks a large amount of water > without eating > > something, what electrolytes that are left become > dilute when that > > water increases blood volume. > > > > TCM formulas for the Kidneys sometimes will > include the > instruction > > to take with a pinch of salt. Salt is what is > known as > > a " guide " " herb " . (To make things simple, > substances other than > > plants are refered to as " herbs " .) A guide herb is > one that will > > direct the formula to a specific Organ. > > > > > Of note abdominal adhesions in most cases of > epilepsy are in the > > > lacteal ducts. These are part of the lymphatic > system. Their > > purpose > > > is to absorb nutrients from the small intestine > as digested food > > > passes through the intestine. Any obstructions > or Adhesions in > the > > > lacteal ducts can interfere with absorption of > nutrients > > > (particularly fats and proteins). Also, > adhesions can interfere > > with > > > the circulation of blood and lymph and cause the > nervous system > > and > > > organs to be thrown out of balance or > " coordination. " Nervous > > system > > > incoordination was a primary factor cited in the > Cayce readings > on > > > epilepsy. > > > > > > Cayce said most cases of epilepsy were caused by > adhesions in > the > > > lacteal ducts of the abdomen. Treatment is > directed at breaking > up > > > adhesions in the lacteal duct area, which is > located along the > > right > > > side of the abdomen. > > > One therapy recommended by Cayce for breaking up > these adhesions > > was > > > castor oil packs. > > > > I just want to emphasize something here for the > readers who are > > unfamiliar with Cayce. One of the things that > castor oil packs do > is > > to improve lymph circulation. Note the reference > to the lymphatic > > system in the first paragraph. > > > > There are MDS and DOs who use the Cayce readings. > The ARE website > > probably have a list of MDs and DOs. > > > > > > > Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents./emoticontest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2005 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " pjb12345uk " <pho@n...> wrote: > --- certainly did > i have a file on this if anyare interested -nicet to see someone is > taking note Please post some more on the cold spot in the abdomen in many epilepsy cases. TCM pays a great deal of attention to Cold and Hot. For readers new to TCM, the concept of Hot/ Cold is one of the most important in TCM. It's so important that making a Hot person hotter or a Cold person colder can result in death in some cases. I want to caution readers that just because there may be a cold spot in the intestines of people with epilepsy, it doesn't automatically follow that one should administer an herb to warm the interior. When one is using TCM remedies, always go by TCM criteria to determine what is to be used. It's also important to always ask why. In this case, why there may possibly be a cold spot in the intestines. What's the etiology? What's the mechanism for something like this developing if there is indeed a cold spot in the intestines? TCM recognizes that Cold in the environment can directly invade the Intestines. But this is not the only possible mechanism. Anything that results in Blood Status or circulation problems or Qi Stagnation can trigger localized Cold. This includes but is not limited to spinal alignment problems which in Cayce's words " deflect nerve impulses " . You'll note that two of Cayce's most recommended treatments are things that can get blood (and lymph) flowing properly - spinal adjustments and castor oil packs. For those unfamiliar with castor oil packs, they are contraindicated when a woman is having her period and in cases of cancer. One can Google for more info on the packs. BTW, they can help a variety of things. For the students on the list, something to keep in mind is the TCM definition of Blood. In TCM, things are usually defined by their functions. Two of the main functions of Blood is that it moistens and it nourishes tissues. If there is Blood Deficiency or if there is Blood Stasis which results in Blood not being able to get to an area, the area doesn't get properly nourished (or moistened). Qi is warming. What often happens in cases of Qi Stagnation - especially when there are blockages - is that the areas where the Stagnant Qi builds up will become too Hot. The area(s) that the Qi is not reaching will become too Cold. This is another reason why one should not just administer an herb to warm the interior of there is a Cold area. First determine why the area is Cold. If there is a Qi blockage, an herb to warm the interior will be adding more Heat to areas of the body where Heat is already building up and creating problems. And the warming properties of this herb may not even reach the Cold area. Qi travels with Blood. The state of one eventually will affect the state of the other. (Qi also flows in pathways independent of Blood There are different types of Qi.) Spinal misalignment most definitely can result in localized Qi Stagnation (and eventually Blood Stasis if left untreated). In the West, spinal alignment is looked at in terms of its effect on nerve pathways and nerve impulses. I want to caution readers that nerve pathways are NOT the same as meridians (routes of Qi flow), and nerve impulses are NOT the same thing as Qi. But spinal misalignment can affect both. Therapeutic massage is also a part of TCM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2005 Hi, There is a film called ‘First Do No Harm’. The centre that deals with epilepsy is in the USA. It has the name and address of the hospital and help lines on it. It is a true story of a mother’s fight to get a ‘drug free’ programme to aid her son. Those in the film are people that either worked in the hospital or used the very strict dietary program. All that succeeded in sticking to the programme had been free of epilepsy for more than 2 years. The DVD is very cheap and well worth you investing in it. I hope that this helps. Marion skoka4 [skoka4] 08 April 2005 17:58 To: herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - epilepsy Hello there, I joined this group as one of last sources to try to help my son(15) to fight and win epilepsy. I would appreciate any input thank you L. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 10, 2005 thank you very much I'll try to find movie L --- Marion Ghosh <marion.ghosh wrote: > Hi, > > > > There is a film called 'First Do No Harm'. The > centre that deals with > epilepsy is in the USA. It has the name and address > of the hospital and help > lines on it. It is a true story of a mother's fight > to get a 'drug free' > programme to aid her son. Those in the film are > people that either worked in > the hospital or used the very strict dietary > program. All that succeeded in > sticking to the programme had been free of epilepsy > for more than 2 years. > The DVD is very cheap and well worth you investing > in it. > > > > I hope that this helps. > > > > Marion > > > > _____ > > skoka4 [skoka4] > 08 April 2005 17:58 > herbal remedies > Herbal Remedies - epilepsy > > > > > > Hello there, > I joined this group as one of last sources to try to > help my son(15) > to fight and win epilepsy. > I would appreciate any input > thank you > L. > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the > following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician > before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be > your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome > to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are > exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so > at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting > advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold > the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > > > _____ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 14, 2005 --- wow well there is a cd rom of the research readings joining the a.r.e.and once you are joined you can have access to the research readings and borrow files i believe 2 books you should have though are Also two must have books on the medical side which give the treatments the causes and the philosophy of the healing of his work are The Encyclopaedia of Healing by Reba Ann Karp ISBN 0-446- 30981-8 This is a condensed version of the readings giving causes and cures and some feed back from people using the treatments - Valuable The Edgar Cayce Handbook for Health through Drugless therapy by Hugh Lynn Cayce Harrold Reilly and Ruth Hagy Brod ISBN 0-02- 601960-4 Harold reillys 43 years of experience of working with the readings the results he, got the treatments he gave- a very valuable book phil joining a local group in your area In Chinese Traditional Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy> wrote: > > Phil: > > where does one find the Cayce readings on medicine? > > Jack > > --- pjb12345uk <pho@n...> wrote: > > > > > > --- certainly did > > i have a file on this if anyare interested -nicet to > > see someone is > > taking note > > > > phil > > > > In Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon " > > > > <victoria_dragon> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Didn't some of the Cayce readings refer to a cold > > spot in the > > > abdomen in many cases of epilepsy? > > > > > > > 8 Two unusual treatments which were used with > > considerable > > success > > > > involved salt and ice. The first was to place a > > pinch of salt on > > > the > > > > persons tongue to relax the body and to help > > prevent the > > > occurrence > > > > of seizures .The ice was to applied at the base > > of the brain to > > > > reduce the severity of the seizures. Apply a > > small piece of ice > > > > rubbed along the base of the brain, at the 1st, > > 2nd and 3rd > > > > cervical, this will cause an IMMEDIATE reaction; > > which will stop > > > the > > > > attacks > > > > > > The salt on the tongue is not as unusual as some > > may think. One of > > > the things that can trigger an epileptic seizure > > in some > > individuals > > > is if electrolytes in the blood become too > > diluted. If a person > > > drinks a lot of water and doesn't eat anything, > > this can trigger a > > > seizure. Actually, drinking a lot of water and not > > eating > > something > > > can be dangerous for anyone, but especially for > > someone with > > > epilepsy. A reminder that some minerals can be > > lost through > > sweat. > > > A typical scenario is the person becomes > > dehydrated because of > > > exercise or heavy work. The person has lost > > minerals through > > sweat, > > > and if the person drinks a large amount of water > > without eating > > > something, what electrolytes that are left become > > dilute when that > > > water increases blood volume. > > > > > > TCM formulas for the Kidneys sometimes will > > include the > > instruction > > > to take with a pinch of salt. Salt is what is > > known as > > > a " guide " " herb " . (To make things simple, > > substances other than > > > plants are refered to as " herbs " .) A guide herb is > > one that will > > > direct the formula to a specific Organ. > > > > > > > Of note abdominal adhesions in most cases of > > epilepsy are in the > > > > lacteal ducts. These are part of the lymphatic > > system. Their > > > purpose > > > > is to absorb nutrients from the small intestine > > as digested food > > > > passes through the intestine. Any obstructions > > or Adhesions in > > the > > > > lacteal ducts can interfere with absorption of > > nutrients > > > > (particularly fats and proteins). Also, > > adhesions can interfere > > > with > > > > the circulation of blood and lymph and cause the > > nervous system > > > and > > > > organs to be thrown out of balance or > > " coordination. " Nervous > > > system > > > > incoordination was a primary factor cited in the > > Cayce readings > > on > > > > epilepsy. > > > > > > > > Cayce said most cases of epilepsy were caused by > > adhesions in > > the > > > > lacteal ducts of the abdomen. Treatment is > > directed at breaking > > up > > > > adhesions in the lacteal duct area, which is > > located along the > > > right > > > > side of the abdomen. > > > > One therapy recommended by Cayce for breaking up > > these adhesions > > > was > > > > castor oil packs. > > > > > > I just want to emphasize something here for the > > readers who are > > > unfamiliar with Cayce. One of the things that > > castor oil packs do > > is > > > to improve lymph circulation. Note the reference > > to the lymphatic > > > system in the first paragraph. > > > > > > There are MDS and DOs who use the Cayce readings. > > The ARE website > > > probably have a list of MDs and DOs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. > http://www.advision.webevents./emoticontest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 14, 2005 --- thank you for your comments i do the research on a ailment by ailment basis i can send you these if you like as i share very well my web site - look at a few under treatment info http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/seventhmoon/orion/ phil In Chinese Traditional Medicine , jdicanio@a... wrote: > > <<<<<< " pjb12345uk " <pho@n...> > Re: Epilepsy <<<< > > Phil, > Your explanation of the Cayce readings was excellent! I've read some of > Cayce's readings in relation to concerns and they are harder to grasp. It's much > easier when the findings are put in a summary form such as the way you did > it. Is there a book or website where other illnesses are described in the > manner in which you did it? > > All, > I work with karma clearing and am currently working on a young girl with > epilepsy. The karma is a critical portion of the session. And not just personal > karma (as some may think), but also family karma is involved, too, which makes > it a bit more complicated. > > > Have a wonderful week! > Judy Di Canio > http://www.frequencybalancing.com/ > http://www.judydicanio.com/ > http://www.frequencybalancing.com/products.html programmed crystals & rubies > to help clear & balance you mentally, emotionally and physically > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2005 My son has epilepsy and maybe there are different forms of it, what happens to my son he gets dizzy, head hurts, throws up then needs to sleep it off. He was on meds for awhile but now I have him on a strict diet NO SUGAR or Dairy similar to the ketogenic diet. No seizure so far and all the benefit he is reaping for this kind of diet. If your looking for a formula try looking at Dr Christopher site www.herbsfirst.com . I have used so much lobelia, I have never died. But I know what you mean I shyed away from it at first because of what you read. Ginadon wells <dwells2530 wrote: Greetings listers, I am a healer in Asia and utilize a natural regimen to assist all patients. I currently have a person suffering from Epilepsy as a result of a brain tumor removal.The cancer is still present and we are fighting it with a seperate treatment but the Epilepsy at the moment is by far the greatest concern.Do any of you know of a safe herbal treatment that really works for Epilepsy? I am aware of Lobelia but the warnings are enough to make me shy away from it unless we know more from experts.I appreciate any and all information that I can further research on this subject. Unfortunately there appears very little info on Epilepsy anywhere? Strange given the frequency of it in the population? Regards Don Wells BaliLife is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2005 I think in this country (the US), people would hesitate to take medical responsibility for someone with epilepsy, unless they had medical credentials, malpractice insurance, due to liability concerns. (None the less, I would be curious to know what herbs work for epilepsy, if any.. : ) Scott. herbal remedies , don wells <dwells2530> wrote: > > > > Greetings listers, > > > > I am a healer in Asia and utilize a natural regimen to assist all patients. I currently have a person suffering from Epilepsy as a result of a brain tumor removal.The cancer is still present and we are fighting it with a seperate treatment but the Epilepsy at the moment is by far the greatest concern.Do any of you know of a safe herbal treatment that really works for Epilepsy? I am aware of Lobelia but the warnings are enough to make me shy away from it unless we know more from experts.I appreciate any and all information that I can further research on this subject. Unfortunately there appears very little info on Epilepsy anywhere? Strange given the frequency of it in the population? > > > > Regards > > > > Don Wells > > Bali > > > > Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2005 herbal remedies , " jsh_95433 " <hales@v...> wrote: (None the less, I would be curious to know what herbs work > for epilepsy, if any.. : ) > Scott. > > herbal remedies , don wells <dwells2530> > wrote: Do any of you know of a safe herbal treatment that really works for Epilepsy? > > Don Wells > > > > Bali This is Doc's suggestion: Epilepsy (Petit and Grand): Nerve Formula; Lobelia Tincture; The Complete Incurables Program. (Group home page, 'files', 'articles', 'ailments & herbal remedies' And this is the info from Dr. Christopher's site http://www.herbsfirst.com/ailments.html Epilepsy ---- Definition A group of nervous system disorders which are marked by repeated episodes of convulsive seizures, blackouts and sensory disorders. Herbal Aids See Epilepsy formula # 1 using boneset and blue vervain. [sNH p.226] See Epilepsy formula # 2 using boneset, blue vervain, water pepper and camomile. [sNH p.226] See formula for antispasmodic tincture using lobelia, skullcap, skunk cabbage, gum myrrh, black cohosh and cayenne. [sNH p.363] See formula for epilepsy using scullcap, wood betony, valerian root, pennyroyal, centaury, cayenne and bayberry. [sNH p.372] See formula for epilepsy using scullcap, lobelia and cayenne. [sNH p.373] See formula for epilepsy using valerian, catnip, horehound, pellitory- of-the-wall, peony, wood betony and scullcap. [sNH p.378] See how to make patient perspire then give the formula using valerian, mistletoe, shavegrass, yellow or ladies' bedstraw and wormwood. [sNH p.378] See formula using black cohosh, blue cohosh and vervain. [sNH p.401] Juices for Epilepsy: Turnip leaf, watercress, spinach. [NL 3-5] Testimonials 1. Anti-Spasmodic Formula: Dr. Christopher's Anti-Spasmodic Tincture: I just received your newsletter, and in reading the information on epilepsy I found that you didn't mention your antispasmodic tincture. I have epilepsy and have followed your program with the B & B tincture and oil of garlic and I'm sure this is effective over a period of time; but the antispasmodic tincture will stop the seizure in the process. I have used it successfully--even during home childbirth. This is a very good test, as epileptics could tell you, as childbirth always causes seizures. I have also given the tincture to a friend for her baby. They had just spent almost $1,000 on tests and medication the " AMA Way " and were having no success in stopping the seizures. They say this tincture has changed their lives. Having experienced epileptic seizures, I know that is no exaggeration. I have never read or heard of this tincture being used for epilepsy, but was led by the Spirit to use it. I hope this might be of help to others who are suffering. God bless you. [NL 1-4] 2. Ear & Nerve Formula: Dr. Christopher's Nervous System Formula with Black Cohosh: A boy 12 years old, was brought to me as a patient several years ago, who was having severe epileptic seizures and these had started after the child had received head injuries in an automobile accident. I have had success treating epileptic patients up to this time, by using our basics; bowel cleaning and blood purification, as well as using antispasmodic herbs. However, none of the procedures I had used over the years so successfully, worked at all with this new 12 year old patient. One night I sat alone in my office, after all my patients had left for the day, wondering why I was not getting the results with this boy as I had with others with the same condition. I realized that I needed " help " and so I prayed earnestly that something could be done for this child and after some time of praying and meditating an " idea " for a " formula " of herbs for nerves came to my mind. I quickly wrote down: blue cohosh, black cohosh, blue vervain, scullcap, and lobelia in a 90 proof tincture. I immediately went to the lab we had out in back of the office, and made up the tincture. When this formula was given to the epileptic boy patient, there was an immediate reaction, and before long, he showed great improvement. We found this same amazing formula would stop hiccups and was great to use by drops in the ear with oil of garlic to clear up earaches, and has even restored hearing in some cases. We called it B & B Tincture. [NL 2-11] 3. Dr. Shook Cured Epilepsy: Dr. Shook related a case wherein a young girl was brought to him with a longstanding case of epilepsy. She had suffered various injuries during her attacks. Shook made a strong decoction of Black Cohosh, blue gentian and valerian root, expecting immediate results, but the seizures continued. Shook then consulted an old herbalist, who informed him that only alcohol could extract the antispasmodic values from Black Cohosh. The parents tried the tincture, given here, and the seizures gradually decreased from up to thirty in one day to nearly none after six months. [NL 5-6] Dr. Shook's Formula consists of black cohosh, blue cohosh and blue vervain. [NL 5-6] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
