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Identifying `Prakruti' of all patients visiting hospital look to be good idea.

Identifying prakruti may be by a trained social worker. (Not required to be a

Ayurvedic Doctor).

It will be based on answer given to around 30 to 40 question and also can be

computerized.

 

Patient will have choice to select allopath, Ayurved or Homeopath treatment.

 

Identifying Prakruti will help all stream of medicine.

 

This is proposed by a Ayurvedic Doctor with Goa Govt. for 15 years.

 

What are your suggestion?

 

Is this possible?

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This sounds like a way to cut costs at the expense of the patients.  Sounding

very American and we all know what a mess our medical system is in the U.S.. If

we learn anything by Ayurveda, it is that while analyzing the prakriti is

important it is only a small piece of the picture.  As a patient, I would not

accept this form of paper pushing politics.  This is not the Ayurveda that has

been presented to me nor the kind I hope to see proceed.

 

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Patient will have choice to select allopath, Ayurved or Homeopath treatment.

Identifying Prakruti will help all stream of medicine.

This is proposed by a Ayurvedic Doctor with Goa Govt. for 15 years.

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Here in Goa, may be in India, making first basic paper (as also knowing

Prakruti) is almost free in any Govt. Hospital.

 

If Doctors from other pathis understands the value of prakruti identification

for prescribing necessary medicine... think of of the advancement.

 

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> This sounds like a way to cut costs at the expense of the patients.  Sounding

very American and we all know what a mess our medical system is in the U.S.. If

we learn anything by Ayurveda, it is that while analyzing the prakriti is

important it is only a small piece of the picture.  As a patient, I would not

accept this form of paper pushing politics.  This is not the Ayurveda that has

been presented to me nor the kind I hope to see proceed.

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Absolutely, this is what we are fighting - to retain the sensitive and

individualized caring treatment of the Vaidya - but if we omit these little

messages - how are the people that send them going to learn that this is not

what Ayurveda is to us? Not what Ayurveda really IS? Not what Ayurveda is

about? It is good to discuss the realities of life and educate modern

trends into a better way - a more sensitive perception of people's needs.

 

Ayurveda is just that - a sensitive perception of people's needs - does your

approach to Ayurveda meet this standard? This is what we have to ask the gvt

doctor. If he has survived 15 years of this type of approach it is unlikely

there will be a sensitive understanding of very much at all. Sensitivity

and government are not really compatible.

 

Best,

 

Jane

 

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This sounds like a way to cut costs at the expense of the patients. Sounding

very American and we all know what a mess our medical system is in the U.S..

If we learn anything by Ayurveda, it is that while analyzing the prakriti is

important it is only a small piece of the picture. As a patient, I would not

accept this form of paper pushing politics. This is not the Ayurveda that

has been presented to me nor the kind I hope to see proceed.

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The doctors from other pathies do not have the concept of prakriti. How will

they prescribe according to prakriti. also there are no separate medicines for

different prakrities, that is talking of allopathy. The others are unani and

Homeo[pathy so they have their own way of

diagnosing. We should leave it at that. To each(kind of prctitioner) his own.

 

what Ayurveda can teach is self less service. Now the vaidyas will ask from

where will their bread and butter come/ But if we are so steeped in ayurveda we

know that we do a good turn without expectation we receive from somewhere. Here

also the element of expectation should not be there. The aim of a healer should

be to rid the patient of the ailment sincerly. He may charge his fee for that

but if the aim is to fool and fleece then that is not what ayurveda teaches.

 

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> Is this possible?

 

To be very frank, the answer is no.

 

> Identifying `Prakruti' of all patients visiting hospital look to be good idea.

> Identifying prakruti may be by a trained social worker. (Not required to be a

Ayurvedic Doctor).

> It will be based on answer given to around 30 to 40 question and also can be

computerized.

 

Prakruti parikshan (examination or determination of prakriti) is not as easy as

it seems on paper.

Also it is an integral part of an ayurvedic diagnosis done by a vaidya.

 

If somebody tells me that some other person has determined his prakriti to be

" abc " , I can give him broad (not specific) guidelines about which diet to

follow, which regimen to follow etc.

 

But if the same person says my prakriti is " abc " and I am suffering from " xyz " ,

the mention of his prakriti is of no use to me. I will have to determine it

myself again and corelate his symptoms to arrive at a diagnosis.

 

Though there are many sites and many softwares offering determination of

prakriti, they are all incomplete. Problem is you cannot standardise something

that is not meant to be standard by itself. All this programs are based on the

broad guidelines given in Charak samhita or Astang-hridaya. But those guidelines

are only a hint. You need to know many other ayurveda terminologies and their

co-relations to do a proper examination.

 

If you can train a person to be really proficient in determining prakriti, you

might as well train him a bit more and make him a regular vaidya.

 

These softwares might be somewhat useful in helping a person understand the

concept but they cannot give an accurate result. Atleast not in the state which

they are at present.

 

 

> Patient will have choice to select allopath, Ayurved or Homeopath treatment.

 

How is this related to Prakruti Parikshan?

 

> Identifying Prakruti will help all stream of medicine.

 

Again the answer is no. The concept of Prakruti or Prakruti Parikshan is an

off-shoot of the Tri-Dosha theory of ayurveda. Unless other streams accept this

theory, they won't be able to integrate it in their system. And if they do

accept this theory they won't be any different than ayurveda.

 

> This is proposed by a Ayurvedic Doctor with Goa Govt. for 15 years.

 

No comments.

 

> What are your suggestion?

 

Tridosha theory, Prakruti, Prakruti Parishan, Daily & seasonal regimen based on

these concepts and many other basic ayurveda concepts can be explained to the

lay person in general terms. Many people are already following these regimens

without knowing the concepts behind them. Once they get to know and follow them,

a large part of ayurvedas basic concept of swasthya rakshan (guarding of good

health) will be accomplished. The other part of vyadhi nivaran (treatment of

diseases) is meant to be left to the experts.

 

Vd. S.M.Shirodkar

M.D. (Ayu.)

Royal Ayurveda

http://www.geocities.com/clinic_royal_ayurveda/

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Mridula Sharma,

 

People and other Doctors knows the importance of Prakruti may be first step.

 

Once this doctors knows the importance of prakruti it will help society.

 

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The doctors from other pathies do not have the concept of prakriti. How will

they prescribe according to prakriti.

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That is perfectly allright Mr Barve. My desire is that more and more people know

and follow the alternate therapies that do help patients, but even if an

allopath is told about the prakriti he cannot have separate medicines to

prescribe for different prakitis. Nor do they believe in pathya and apathya. 

 

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Vd. shirodkar,

 

We have to make this terms " Prakruti, Pitta, Kafa, dosha..etc) familiar to

people.

 

If we get opportunity to identify prakruti of patient, there may be inclination

to opt of ayurvedic tretment.

 

On Friday we had a discussion with Director of Health services (Goa). She told

us that there are 5 ayurvedic doctors with them. average patient check up for

these doctors is only around 8/9 per month which is very poor by any standard.

 

Average patient checkup for allopathic doctor is above 100 per month.

 

How can we ask Govt. to increase post of Ayurvedic doctors?

 

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Prakruti parikshan (examination or determination of prakriti) is not as easy as

it seems on paper.

Also it is an integral part of an ayurvedic diagnosis done by a vaidya.

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This is a very important question, one that I am trying to address in

New Zealand. There are many factors that influence government decisions

in different countries, but perhaps the following points will help:

 

 

1. What is public perception of Ayurveda? Is it recognised as a safe,

effective modality? Good govts try and follow public perception (thats

how they get votes). Work may need to be done to generate positive image

of Ayurveda, so more people start asking for ayurvedic treatment.

 

2. Govts now are becoming concerned about " Evidence-Based Medicine " .

This has been proposed by medical sector as a way of devaluing natural

health modalities. Actually, most of medical protocols do not have

" golden standard " evidence base either! It becomes important for

Ayurveda to establish more evidence on safety and efficacy. Every vaidya

and practitioner could contribute by documenting their cases in the form

of Case Studies. See online for formal ways to do this. Also any

research done on ayurvedic protocols or medicines should be made

available so that anyone can access it - at the moment it is very

difficult to access.

3. Ayurvedics and other modalities, including medical, bodywork,

psychotherapy etc; should look at collaborative treatment of patients to

optimise outcomes. This would create more trust between modalities, and

better understanding of mutual qualities and limitations. Professionals

need to get out of the habit of " owning " their patients, and refer them

to the best modalities for their needs. This model of cooperative

treatment could bring huge amounts of referrals to natural health

practitioners - because medical treatment just doesn't work for

everything.

 

4. Ayurvedics and other natural practitioners need to become more

politically-aware, so they understand how govts work, and understand how

to lobby them for change. This is especially so in the west, where many

natural practitioners work on the " fringe " and avoid being involved in

mainstream politics. The medical sector has been involved in politics

for over 300 years, and where has that got them? The answer is in your

question!

5. It would help for ayurvedic practitioners to come together in

professional associations, to discuss these issues and their possible

solutions. Associations almost always have more credibility and

influence than individuals. They could also work on educational and

professional standards, on creating a stronger image of Ayurveda amongst

the public, and on exchanging information and ideas with other national

or international associations.

 

Best regards,

Gerald Lopez

Auckland, New Zealand

www.ScienceOfLife.co.nz <http://scienceoflife.co.nz>

twitter.com/gezz_nz <http://twitter.com/gezz_nz>

 

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Best wishes to you all whose work is to educate humanity of this duality - Govt.

and Science of the soul!

 

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There are many factors that influence government decisions

in different countries, but perhaps the following points will help:

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Gerald Lopez

 

Thanks for your advice.

 

Working on similar lines.

Lets see how it works on June 28.

 

Today I overcome some difficulties created by Ayurvedics. Hope, they present

PRAKRUTI to audience Specially Director of Health Goa Govt. and Dean of Goa

Medical College.

 

If they show slight inclination, we may achieve much more success in near

future.

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There are many factors that influence government decisions

in different countries, but perhaps the following points will help:

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