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In a message dated 6/27/2005 11:24:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

victoria_dragon writes:

 

My kidneys may have been normal, but my

Kidneys were not. It was the worst problem I had. I answered " yes "

to almost every question that had to do with Kidney imbalance,

including the ones about an unusual history of problems with the

ears and hearing.

 

 

 

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What did you do for your kidneys.

 

 

No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Without a doubt my liver was messed up. I had a tea for detox.

LFT'S only slightly above normal range.

 

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jeffAfrankel

06/27/05 07:50:35

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: new to list

 

It was your liver that was messed up, wasn't it from the drugs.

 

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No information in this letter should be construed as medical advice.

This information is for educational purposes only.

 

Jeff Frankel

10360 Pine Lakes Blvd

North Fort Myers, Fl 33903

239-731-2655

http://www.msprotocols.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here is a very good article on Leaky Gut Syndrome. For readers

unfamiliar with LGS, the lining of the intestines becomes

compromised due to things like use of antibiotics and NSAIDS (Non

Steroid Anti Inflammatory Drugs). Because the lining of the

intestines is compromised and especially when digestion is poor

because antibiotics have killed off the good bacteria that aid

digestion as well as the bad, bits of undigested protein make it

across the lining of the intestine to the blood where they are

treated as invaders, " tagged " , and " fought " . We're talking food

allergies and allergic-like reactions. Completely digested protein

is digested into its amino acid building blocks which the

body " recognizes " as food and something it can use. Partically

digested bits of protein are not recognized and treated as invaders.

 

In addition to things that shouldn't be making it across that gut

lining making it across to the blood, some things that should be

making it across to the blood - like certain minerals and vitamins -

are not. This is because making it across relies on " facilitated

transport " from the gut lining. If the lining is compromised, they

don't make it across. We're talking various vitamin and mineral

deficiencies here.

 

For the readers who are new to TCM, I'm going to explain certain

terms used in the article. Hopefully I can change color of the fonts

so readers easily will know when I'm talking and when it's the

article.

 

I've only quoted part of the article. Enough to explain some of the

basics.

 

http://www.ei-resource.org/Articles/lgs-art01.asp

 

 

LEAKY GUT SYNDROME

A Modern Epidemic

Part 1: The Problem

 

Jake Paul Fratkin, OMD

 

Leaky Gut Syndrome (LGS) is a major cause of disease and dysfunction

in modern society, and in my practice accounts for at least 50% of

chronic complaints, as confirmed by laboratory tests. In discussing

LGS, I want to first describe the situation in terms of western

physiology, and at the end of the article I will discuss aspects of

LGS that are unique to Traditional .

 

In LGS, the epithelium on the villi of the small intestine becomes

inflamed and irritated, which allows metabolic and microbial toxins

of the small intestines to flood into the blood stream. This event

compromises the liver, the lymphatic system, and the immune response

including the endocrine system. It is often the primary cause of the

following common conditions: asthma, food allergies, chronic

sinusitis, eczema, urticaria, migraine, irritable bowel, fungal

disorders, fibromyalgia, and inflammatory joint disorders including

rheumatoid arthritis. It also contributes to PMS, uterine fibroid,

and breast fibroid. Leaky Gut Syndrome is often the real basis for

chronic fatigue syndrome and pediatric immune deficiencies.

 

(snip)

 

Understanding Leaky Gut Syndrome in Terms of TCM.

Antibiotics introduce a very cold environment into the digestive

system. It depletes spleen yang and disrupts spleen-stomach harmony.

This impairs digestion and absorption of food and fluids, and more

important, depletes the Qi necessary to maintain the integrity of

the small intestine. The small intestine is controlled by the

spleen. The spleen's function of absorption and distribution of Qi

and fluid happens in the small intestine, and the function of the SI

is controlled by the Stomach and Spleen channels (not the Small

Intestine channel). So, the initial damage to the integrity of the

small intestine is due to damage of the spleen function.

 

(((Explanation: All substances - food, herbs, prescription drugs,

etc. - have what is called thermal energy. This refers to the

temperature effect they have on the body, either heating, cooling,

or neutral. The thermal energy of antibiotics isn't just cool, but

cold. They have a very cooling effect on the body. This in itself

can create problems.

 

(((For example, both the Kidneys and the Spleen are very vulnerable

to Cold and injured by it. Cold also depletes Qi (roughly

translated as " energy " , pronounced " chee " ) and Yang (warms,

activates, and dries).

 

(((Part of the functions of Qi is to maintain integrity. Any time

there are what I call " leaks " - excessive sweating, loose bowel

movements, dribbling urine, etc. - suspect Qi Deficiency. That

includes Leaky Gut Syndrome. Some cases of excessive bleeding

(though not all) are due to Spleen Qi being too weak to control

Blood (keep it inside its vessels). There are hemorrhages.

 

(((There is a Stomach-Spleen " axis " but since that's a fairly

advanced TCM concept and not really necessary to understanding this

article, I won't go into it here. Just keep in mind they're supposed

to be harmonized.

 

(((Keep in mind that two of the main functions of the Spleen and

Spleen Qi are to 1. accumulate and transport Qi and 2. transform and

transport liquids in the body. The Stomach " rottens and ripens "

food; the Spleen extracts the grain Qi from food, carries it to the

Lungs where it mixes with the air Qi that the Lungs extract from

air, and become part of the Qi reserves of the body. (Note: The

extraction of Qi is not the same thing as digestion in the Western

sense. Qi is not the same thing as vitamins, minerals, amino acids,

etc. Think of it as " energy " though that's an inadequate

translation. But it's a workable one.)

 

We can understand the small intestines discharging toxins to the

liver in terms of spleen insulting liver, that is, a reverse control

within the wu xing (five phase) cycle. The liver will become excess,

causing a stagnation of Qi and blood. Its ability to store and

distribute the blood (which includes the ability to cleanse the

blood) becomes impaired. This is the main excess in an array of

other deficiencies (spleen, kidney), and as such, becomes the

pivotal key-link that needs to be addressed first. Zang-Fu therapy

usually requires that the excess be addressed at the beginning.

 

(((For now, don't worry about what " five phase " (Five Element

Theory) is. It has to do with the effects one Organ can have on

another. In this case, if Spleen Qi isn't maintaining the integrity

of the guts and there are leaks, eventually the Liver is going to

accumulate a lot of toxins and become sluggish. Liver Qi Stagnates.

 

(((Excess and Deficiency are terms that are used a lot in TCM.

Excess refers to there being problems because there is too much of

something. Too many foods with hot thermal energy warming the body

excessively. Too much cold from the environment chilling the body

(or too many foods, herbs, prescription drugs with Cool or Cold

thermal energy). Too much Dampness. Too much Qi Stagnation or Blood

Stasis. (Any is too much.) Etc.

 

(((Deficiency refers to there not being enough of something the body

needs. For example Yang Deficiency, aka Deficiency Cold, due to

there not being enough Yang to properly warm and activate the body.

Yin Deficiency, aka Deficiency Heat, due to there not being enough

Yin to properly cool and calm the body. You'll see terms

like " Excess Heat " and " Deficiency Heat " a lot. The treatments are

different because the cause of the Heat is different. The Excess

Heat is due to the environment being too hot, the person eating too

many foods with Hot thermal energy, some (though not all)

infections, etc. Deficiency Heat comes from there not being enough

Yin to properly cool the body. One treats Excess by removing it,

Deficiency by supplying what the person needs.

 

(((It's a general principle in TCM that one removes Excess before

tackling Deficiency. Sometimes both need to be done at the same

time, and an experienced TCM healer knows how, but in general remove

the Excess first, then tackle the Deficiency. Otherwise the tonic

herbs that supply Qi, Yin, Yang, build Blood, etc. can feed the

Excess.

 

((( " Zang-Fu " translates as " Organ - Bowel " . The Organs are Lungs,

Spleen, Kidneys, Heart, and Liver. The " Bowels " are Large

Intestine, Stomach, Urinary Bladder, Small Intestine, and Gall

Bladder. Don't worry about memorizing these. I just wanted you to

have an idea of what the Zang-Fu are. Usually, for simplicity sake,

they're all referred to as " Organs " . When one sees the term Zang-

Fu, it's usually because the author is referring to a method of

diagnosis. There are several different ways to look at, analyze,

and organize information in TCM. " Zang-Fu " refers to the emphasis

being on the Organs. Like Spleen Qi Deficiency, Liver Qi Stagnation,

Kidney Yin Deficiency, etc. " Five phase " (or Five Element Theory)

refers to the emphasis being on the way the Organs are effecting

each other. " Wu Xing " translates as " five phase " . The term is coming

up again in the beginning of the next paragraph.

 

When the spleen becomes depleted, the kidney will become excess,

according to wu xing theory. Initially, the body responds with a

kidney yang excess, to try to reinforce the yang that has been

depleted in the spleen. This will manifest as stress, anxiety, and

poor sleep. (It is directly measurable as an elevated adrenal

cortisol level.) Over a period of time, kidney yang will begin to

become depleted, leading to fatigue. Over a longer period of time,

both kidney yang and yin will be come depleted, leading to a

depletion of the yuan-jing reserves, resulting in true exhaustion.

 

(((Don't worry about what " yuan-jing " is at this point. " Jing "

translates as " essence " . Just think of it as a primary building

block for the time being.

 

The combined depletion of kidney and spleen, with depletion of the

yuan-jing reserves, significantly depletes the ying Qi flowing

through the channels. Wei Qi, being the active radiating yang aspect

of the ying Qi, is also depleted, diminishing an effective response

to pathogenic factors. The whole stomach and intestinal tract is

still considered the outside of the body, and as such, depends on

wei Qi to keep pathogenic factors from entering. As the wei Qi is

reduced, pathogenic toxins are free to enter the body and further

sap its reserves of energy.

 

(((Wei Qi is Protective or Defensive Qi. Ying Qi is Nutritive or

Nourishing Qi. Wei Qi circulates at the surface of the body and

defends against Exterior Pernicious Evils (Cold, Wind, Heat,

Dampness, and Dryness). Ying (Nourishing) Qi is the Qi that makes

sure the Organs get what they need to be healthy. BTW, in

acupuncture, it's the Ying Qi that is activated at acupoints.

 

(((Beginning students may be confused by Fratkin talking about Wei

(Protective) Qi also protecting the entire digestive tract. Doesn't

Wei Qi circulate at the surface of the body? It also circulates in

the Middle and Lower Burners (upper and lower abdomen) at the

boundary of the Bowels. Maciocia also talks about this in The

Foundations of , p. 45.

 

Successful rehabilitation requires that the ying and wei be restored

to normal levels, through regulation of the spleen and kidney. This

tonification of the wei Qi will help regenerate tissue on the

surface of the small intestine. Again, it is required that the

blockage and congestion at the liver be allowed to open up again,

or, in terms of TCM, dredged.

 

(((One of the main functions of the Liver is the smooth and even

flow of Qi throughout the body. IF the Qi can't make it to an area

or is sluggish, the area doesn't get the benefits. Other problems

also can build up. Among other things, Stagnating Qi can manifest as

pain (not the only cause of pain). Localized Heat can build up

because Qi is warm. Etc.

 

Underlying the susceptibility to Leaky Gut Syndrome is the

probability that the Qi is deficient to start with. This goes back

to a modern lifestyle of poor eating habits and poor food choices

which injures the spleen, and the various stresses of modern life

(lifestyle, chemicals, electromagnetic) that depletes kidney Qi.

Within the acupuncture network, this contributes to a weakened

dantian, or hara. The small intestine lies over and around the

dantian. This is one of the most important energy centers in the

body, the place where food is converted to Qi and blood. When the

dantian becomes weakened, it creates a terrain that allows LGS to

take place. And it indicates that a successful adjunct to therapy

would include dantian Qi gong.

 

(((Use the search function in the message base and search for Hara.

There is a post on a Hara breathing exercise that can be very

helpful.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Sharon McMahon "

<slmcmahon@c...> wrote:

> Without a doubt my liver was messed up. I had a tea for detox.

> LFT'S only slightly above normal range.

 

I want to caution readers that even though Western tests may fall

barely or even well within the " normal " range, this does not mean

that everything is fine from a TCM standpoint. TCM looks at other

things.

 

The classic example is blood tests. From a Western perspective, the

blood work can be normal, but from a TCM perspective, the person

fits the criteria for Blood Deficiency. Anemia can have an

underlying Root of Blood Deficiency, but so can a number of other

things. The blood can be normal, but the Blood is not.

 

Common terms that have special meaning in TCM are capitalized. In

TCM things are defined mainly by their functions. Two of the main

functions of Blood is that it nourishes and moistens tissues. If

tissues aren't being nourished and moistened, that's Blood

Deficiency, regardless of the results of the blood work. (Also

remember that the Ying (Nourishing) Qi travels with the Blood.)

 

I use a personal example to demonstrate how different the Western

allopathic and TCM criteria can be. As sick as I was, I would have

sworn that my kidneys probably were one of the few healthy things

about me. Aside from an occasional urinary tract infection, all

kidney tests were normal. My kidneys may have been normal, but my

Kidneys were not. It was the worst problem I had. I answered " yes "

to almost every question that had to do with Kidney imbalance,

including the ones about an unusual history of problems with the

ears and hearing.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , jeffAfrankel@a... wrote:

 

> What did you do for your kidneys.

 

My health problems had been going on for many years (decades) before

I saw a TCM herbalist. It was a complex case. The most extreme

problem was Kidney Yang Deficiency. There was also Kidney Yin

Deficiency (to a much lesser degree), Qi Deficiency, Blood

Deficiency, both Dampness and Dryness problems, Blood Stasis, and Qi

Stagnation.

 

For the Kidneys there were both Yang and Yin tonics. There was a Qi

tonic herb and a Blood tonic herb in the main formula. Also dried

ginger to warm the Interior. Fu Ling to drain Dampness. An herb to

astringe and stop " leaks " , and some other things like licorice. In

addition to the main formula, I also used Horny Goat Weed tea. It's

Yang tonic. Also cups of ginger tea. (Cold problems were severe.)

 

There were some other things as well. It's been so long I'm probably

going to forget some of the things. The herbalist was a TCM

herbalist, but he also used some American herbs. There was an

alcohol extract of various herbs called Kidney Kleenz. Also an

alcohol extract of an herbal mixture for my Liver/ liver. Capsules

to help the colonic inertia problems. Which helped the Heat in the

Lungs problem. (One way to get rid of Heat in the Lungs is to purge

the intestines. This formula didn't purge, but it did help my bowel

movements and thus the Heat in the Lungs problem.)

 

I was on Minor Blue Green Dragon formula for a while to get rid of

the Wind Cold in the Exterior problems.

 

The herbalist weighed and sorted the teas into bags. I brewed a

weeks supply of the main formula and the Horny Goat Weed teas at a

time. I took both twice a day. I was instructed to warm the teas

before drinking them. I forget if the dose was half or a cup at a

time for the main formula. Seems like it was half a cup at a time.

 

The alcohol extracts also were taken twice a day, several drops of

each in a cup of water. I forget if the capsules for the colonic

inertia problem was once or twice a day.

 

I saw the herbalist once a month. For a few months I was given one

package of Minor Blue Green Dragon tea each month, and drank it

daily for one week out of the month.

 

The herbalist changed the main formula from time to time to match

the changing clinical picture.

 

The herbalist was Christopher Gussa. He definitely knows what he's

doing. I highly recommend him.

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Sharon McMahon "

<slmcmahon@c...> wrote:

 

> The ginseng in the combo I take states American ( 400mg daily),

but the

> healer states he never uses American. he states he has had

interference with

> the health department and had to change all the labels on their

products.

> The Thyroidine is now labeled Spirulina.

 

I've never heard of anyone having that kind of trouble with the

health department. There are no restrictions that I know of on the

importation or use of panax ginseng. Many healers will substitute

Siberian ginseng or some other Qi tonic for Asian ginseng because it

is so expensive.

 

Also, there are times when American ginseng is called for instead of

Asian ginseng. They have some key differences in properties. The

main one being that Asian ginseng, aka Radix Ginseng, aka Ren Shen,

has warm thermal energy, and primarily is a Qi tonic herb whereas

American ginseng, aka Radix (root of) Panacis Quinquefolii, aka Xi

Yang Shen, has cold thermal energy and primarily is a Yin tonic

herb. The differences is why the Chinse import so much American

ginseng from the US.

 

They each have their uses in TCM depending on the need of the client.

 

> About the blood volume- how can you tell what the volume/quality

is? my H & H

> were 14 and 40 ( could those be false values affected by other

things going

> on?)

 

The blood will be thicker than normal. The red blood cell count may

also be elevated due to the liquid component of the blood being

reduced. It may be hard to draw blood from the person if the person

doesn't have prominent veins to begin with. Lab techs used to have a

very hard time drawing blood from me. Sometimes they couldn't even

get it with a needle they use on babies. Then a lab tech told me to

tank up on water right before the blood test. It got a lot easier to

draw blood from me after that.

 

BTW, in TCM the Liver controls blood volume. It has to do with the

Liver's function of storing Blood.

 

> I saw a TCM healer in Houston who looked at my tongue checked my

pulse and

> told ME my symptoms. I was amazed. He treated me with tea and

acupuncture.

> I only quit going because I needed to get off the RX pain pills- I

felt like

> I was wasting money and time until I was serious about quitting

them. Now I

> am done with them. I am not sure who would be the best healer for

me. How

> can I know? May I post names to get opinions? I began going here

because it

> is local, but I will go to Houston if necessary.

 

What is what you've learned so far telling you?

 

> I understand now that I need an endocrinologist. Do I continue

with TCM

> treatments as well?

 

Yes. Sometimes the best results are obtained with using both TCM

and allopathic medicine.

 

> I was really trying to stay away from chemicals, but it

> sounds like I would have to take something if I am going to a

western doctor

 

Not necessarily. A lot of people get an allopathic diagnosis and

then research alternative treatments. They have the allopathic

doctor monitor them to make sure there's no problems and that the

alternative treatment is working. Increasing numbers of MDs and DOs

are open to this.

 

But sometimes the Western drugs are necessary and can do things the

alternative treatments can't. The modern Chinese don't hesitate to

use Western drugs when that's what is best for the individual. But

because they have that TCM background, they use prescription drugs a

lot wiser and more effectively than they are used in the West.

 

> I just want to feel better. I am embarrassed to be in this

situation- as I

> mentioned in my first post, I am a nurse and know better.

 

Please don't be. This is very normal. When it's you who is facing

illness and its symptoms, there's a tendency not to think as clearly

and think of as much as one usually does. Another way to put this

is that when one is up to one's behind in alligators in the swamp,

the first impulse is not to check the roadmap. It's to move anywhere

one can that might be free of alligators. I've lost count of the

number of times my husband and others have had to remind me of

something I wasn't thinking of at the time. One time that stands

out in particular for me is when I had a particularly bad case of

mono and was so depressed. I thought the depression was due to my

not being able to return to school and my not healing as quickly as

I had thought I would. My father very calmly reminded me that one of

the symptoms of mono is to make people depressed. (Has to do with

the effects of the virus on the immune system.) That made me feel a

lot better. All of a sudden things were a lot clearer to me, and I

had a very good road map for getting out of that particular

depression swamp. Relax and continue treating the mono. Then there's

all the times my husband has asked me, " Is your blood sugar low? Do

you need to eat something? " Very often he will recognize it before I

do.

 

Then there's all the times I haven't realized when I had thyroid

problems. I have a history of on-again, off-again thyroid problems

going back to when I was a child. You'd think that with all that

experience I have when it comes to thyroid problems that the old

light bulb would go off quickly. It never has. I can remember

telling doctors that I can't tell when I'm having thyroid problems.

I can't connect the dots. The health of the thyroid gland affects

people at such a basic level - including thinking - that people have

trouble realizing exactly what is happening. A good word to describe

the experience of thyroid problems is insidious. They sneak up on

you. You know something is wrong but because of the effects of the

thyroid problems, you can't connect the dots. You can describe many

of the symptoms but the thyroid problems often will leave you

incapable of connecting them all and realizing that these are all

symptoms of thyroid problems.

[Guest guest]

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victoria_dragon

06/28/05 14:17:12

Chinese Traditional Medicine

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: new to list

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Sharon McMahon "

<slmcmahon@c...> wrote:

 

> The ginseng in the combo I take states American ( 400mg daily),

but the

> healer states he never uses American. he states he has had

interference with

> the health department and had to change all the labels on their

products.

> The Thyroidine is now labeled Spirulina.

 

I've never heard of anyone having that kind of trouble with the

health department. There are no restrictions that I know of on the

importation or use of panax ginseng. Many healers will substitute

Siberian ginseng or some other Qi tonic for Asian ginseng because it

is so expensive.

 

Also, there are times when American ginseng is called for instead of

Asian ginseng. They have some key differences in properties. The

main one being that Asian ginseng, aka Radix Ginseng, aka Ren Shen,

has warm thermal energy, and primarily is a Qi tonic herb whereas

American ginseng, aka Radix (root of) Panacis Quinquefolii, aka Xi

Yang Shen, has cold thermal energy and primarily is a Yin tonic

herb. The differences is why the Chinse import so much American

ginseng from the US.

 

They each have their uses in TCM depending on the need of the client.

 

> About the blood volume- how can you tell what the volume/quality

is? my H & H

> were 14 and 40 ( could those be false values affected by other

things going

> on?)

 

The blood will be thicker than normal. The red blood cell count may

also be elevated due to the liquid component of the blood being

reduced. It may be hard to draw blood from the person if the person

doesn't have prominent veins to begin with. Lab techs used to have a

very hard time drawing blood from me. Sometimes they couldn't even

get it with a needle they use on babies. Then a lab tech told me to

tank up on water right before the blood test. It got a lot easier to

draw blood from me after that.

 

BTW, in TCM the Liver controls blood volume. It has to do with the

Liver's function of storing Blood.

 

> I saw a TCM healer in Houston who looked at my tongue checked my

pulse and

> told ME my symptoms. I was amazed. He treated me with tea and

acupuncture.

> I only quit going because I needed to get off the RX pain pills- I

felt like

> I was wasting money and time until I was serious about quitting

them. Now I

> am done with them. I am not sure who would be the best healer for

me. How

> can I know? May I post names to get opinions? I began going here

because it

> is local, but I will go to Houston if necessary.

 

What is what you've learned so far telling you?

..

7/2/05

I should go back to the healer in Houston?

Should I be wary of seeing the local healer who does not diagnose the tongue or

pulse? Thank you for your input,Sharon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Name: Hello everybody! My name is Jennifer Sheppard. I am already enjoying the list, thank you for letting me join.

Favorite flower: This is really hard one for me. I am a horticulturist, and I love * all flowers! Right now I'm intersested in 'Hostas', moon flowers, and the easy growing flowers such as 'Lantanas', Passion Flowers are really nice too. I could list hundreds of favorite flowers!! LOL

Any Hobbies: I love reading, esp. Dean Koontz books. I walk my dogs alot, I have a Great Dane and cocker spaniels. I also like fishing, gardening andPhotographing flowers and native plants in our area.

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Thanks for reading....

[Guest guest]

Hi there Jennifer

 

Welcome to the group :-)) I am new here also.

 

I feed BARF to all my dogs. Why do you no longer feed this way??? I have Cavalier King Charles Spaniels :-))))

 

BB

Cas

Name: Hello everybody! My name is Jennifer Sheppard. I am already enjoying the list, thank you for letting me join. Favorite flower: This is really hard one for me. I am a horticulturist, and I love * all flowers! Right now I'm intersested in 'Hostas', moon flowers, and the easy growing flowers such as 'Lantanas', Passion Flowers are really nice too. I could list hundreds of favorite flowers!! LOL Any Hobbies: I love reading, esp. Dean Koontz books. I walk my dogs alot, I have a Great Dane and cocker spaniels. I also like fishing, gardening andPhotographing flowers and native plants in our area.Favorite thing to shop for: I dont really shop to much.... just the essentials; food and dog food....(i used to feed barf) I am in to animated socks! (strange, I know:)Where do you live? I live in Shreveport, Louisiana Thanks for reading....

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

quick question

What is BARF?

Liaden

 

--- Cassy <cavandra wrote:

 

> Hi there Jennifer

>

> Welcome to the group :-)) I am new here also.

>

> I feed BARF to all my dogs. Why do you no longer

> feed this way??? I have

> Cavalier King Charles Spaniels :-))))

>

> BB

> Cas

>

>

> Name: Hello everybody! My name is Jennifer Sheppard.

> I am already enjoying

> the list, thank you for letting me join.

>

>

> Favorite flower: This is really hard one for me. I

> am a horticulturist, and

> I love * all flowers! Right now I'm intersested in

> 'Hostas', moon flowers,

> and the easy growing flowers such as 'Lantanas',

> Passion Flowers are really

> nice too. I could list hundreds of favorite

> flowers!! LOL

>

>

> Any Hobbies: I love reading, esp. Dean Koontz books.

> I walk my dogs alot, I

> have a Great Dane and cocker spaniels. I also like

> fishing, gardening and

> Photographing flowers and native plants in our area.

>

> Favorite thing to shop for: I dont really shop to

> much.... just the

> essentials; food and dog food....(i used to feed

> barf) I am in to animated

> socks! (strange, I know:)

>

> Where do you live? I live in Shreveport, Louisiana

>

>

> Thanks for reading....

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Merry Meet Laiden

 

BARF stands for " Bones And Raw Food " or " Biologically Appropriate Raw Food "

 

Blessed Be

Althia

************

 

Hi there,

quick question

What is BARF?

Liaden

 

--- Cassy <cavandra wrote:

 

> Hi there Jennifer

>

> Welcome to the group :-)) I am new here also.

>

> I feed BARF to all my dogs. Why do you no longer feed this way??? I

> have Cavalier King Charles Spaniels :-))))

>

> BB

> Cas

>

>

[Guest guest]

lol, oh ok. I get it. thanx so much Althia. Nice

talking to you.

 

Liaden

 

--- Cassy <cavandra wrote:

 

> Merry Meet Laiden

>

> BARF stands for " Bones And Raw Food " or

> " Biologically Appropriate Raw Food "

>

> Blessed Be

> Althia

> ************

>

> Hi there,

> quick question

> What is BARF?

> Liaden

>

> --- Cassy <cavandra wrote:

>

> > Hi there Jennifer

> >

> > Welcome to the group :-)) I am new here also.

> >

> > I feed BARF to all my dogs. Why do you no longer

> feed this way??? I

> > have Cavalier King Charles Spaniels :-))))

> >

> > BB

> > Cas

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I live in Gwinnett County (13 miles east of Stone Mountain, GA). I teach

yoga in my own studio, am married, have three dogs, two cats, and am a

grandma twice over.

 

Ive been looking through the list archives .. there are some good

articles and posts here. I have studied and applied Ayurveda for

almost 40 years, so I look forward to learning more info here.

 

.... Valarie

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