Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 dear drs. muzumdar, bhate and friends of ayurveda of the various points i have been labouring to make, the most important one is that the classical ayurvedic protocol for diseases like diabetes need to be interpreted cautiously, and cannot be applied universally this is not to say that the theory of ayurveda is wrong, or that the samhitas are not a treasure trove of information, but that when we take this knowledge and apply it to different populations living in different climates, living during different periods of time, we may see that the classical dietary recommendations are either unsuitable or actually promote the disease itself with regard to diabetes and the validity of the ayurvedic dietary protocols, a case in point is canada's first nations people (i.e. " amerindians " , " native peoples " etc), who now suffer from the highest rates of diabetes in the country for the historical record, it is very clear that when the europeans first encountered these peoples they were impressed with their strength and vigor, and that diabetes (and many other chronic diseases) did not exist contrast to this to eurasia, where diabetes seems to have become prevalent in europe in the 1600's (see " Western Diseases: Their Emergence and Prevention " , by Burkitt/Trowell), with rare mention of the condition by roman physicians like Claudius Galen (c. 1 cent CE) (see: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi? artid=1033927), and is of course found in the very earliest medical literature of India, given much prominence and importance in both the Sushruta and Charaka samhitas whereas the first nations peoples were the apparent picture of health when the europeans arrived, a couple centuries of pervasive western influence has turned this once strong, vital and proud people into a pale shadow of their former selves in the last century or so, first nations peoples have increasingly depended upon western foods, abandoning the traditional foods they used to hunt and gather some have even adopted western foods such as bread, calling it bannock and refering to it as a " traditional " food when i was in college years ago, i wrote a paper on the traditional diet of the coastal first nations, the people that traditionally " own " the land that the fair city of Vancouver stands upon what follows is an excerpt of that paper on their dietary practices, which more or less went unchanged for at least 10,000 years before the arrival of the europeans because of their relative isolation from the " old world " , they make an interesting study when looking at the natural history of diabetes interestingly enough, their diet wasn't so different from coastal peoples living in northwestern europe before the romans invaded " Coastal native peoples traditionally ate two times a day: 'morning eating' and 'evening eating', the latter of which was more substantial that the former. Fasting was considered a beneficial activity and was taken on during spiritual training or cleansing, but was also a factor during the day when a hunter or traveler wouldn't eat until they were safe in camp or after a day's work. Perhaps there was an intuitive understanding of the role the para-sympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems had on digestion. Salmon was the principle food of coastal native groups, and was eaten either fresh, from spring to mid fall, or dried for winter consumption. The salmon spawn was beaten with water, mashed into jelly, and mashed again with huckleberries and cooked. Halibut was also an important part of the diet, only second to salmon in importance and was prepared identically. A typical meal would be prepared by the mother of the family, who filled a dish with eulachon grease, held a dried fish before the fire until the oil exuded, broke it into several pieces and placed them on a platter with which the family dipped into the grease before eating. Coastal natives usually ate no raw fish or meat except for sea water soaked salmon heads, fish spawn and shellfish. Fresh salmon and halibut was generally either boiled, roasted or baked. Boiling was undertaken by means of heated rocks in water filled wooden boxes or spruce baskets. Roasted usually meant on a spit over a fire. Baking or steaming was conducted in a hole paved and lined with flat stones, with the salmon or meat placed between alternating layers of leaves and heated stones, then covered with leaves, seaweed and earth. The fish might be left an hour, whereas the meat would usually take a half a day. Herring and eulachon were also important sources of nutrition and were cured for winter use as well as eaten fresh, but by far their most important use was as a source of grease, which was all the more desirable if a bit rancid. Cod, bass, flounder, sculpin, eel, smelt, trout and whiting were eaten fresh and were not cured for winter use. Clams, cockles, scallops, abalone, chiton and mussels were eaten from fall to spring, but generally avoided during the season of growing plants, which seems to point out that natives knew about the effects of the 'red tide'. Crabs were a popular dish, as were the ovaries scooped from sea urchins with a probing finger. Seal, sea otter and porpoise were also eaten, the blubber of the latter being particularly esteemed. Land animals, including waterfowl, although rare in the diet as compared to marine animals, included deer, bear, porcupine, marmot, beaver, duck and ground squirrel. Most tribes, excluding the Haida who were fearless boatsmen, did not hunt whales, and avoided eating them even when they were beached. The Coastal Indian population fulfilled most of their dietary needs by consumption of animal products but maintained a nutritional diversity present in the flora of the B.C. coast. Carbohydrates were typically in short supply in the diet, especially in the northern areas of the B.C. coast and Alaska where vegetation is limited because of cooler temperatures. This was in part remedied by the consumption of the glycogen rich livers and glycoproteins from the epithelial tissue of various land animals. Some roots and tubers were gathered and consumed in autumn, like springbank clover, yellow dock, blue camas, wild carrot, kamchatka lily and silverweed, that did provide a source of carbohydrates. These roots and tubers were sorted, cleaned and dried for storage, and later boiled for consumption during winter. Vegetable protein was even more limited than carbohydrates, but the shortage was more than made up for by the abundance of animal protein. After a meagre diet of dried animal products and grease of late winter plant foods were craved as spring came around. The tender shoots of salmonberries, thimble berries and wild celery were eaten raw after being peeled and mashed with grease. Seaweeds, the sprouts of cow parsnip and fireweed, fiddleheads, lambsquaters, nettles and the nutrient rich cambium of hemlock, spruce and pine were also collected in the spring and eaten with grease. Wild berries were a favorite food of the Coastal Indians. They were eaten fresh as gathered and were also mashed, boiled and poured into rectangular wooden frames and allowed to dry in the sun or near the fire, and then stored. Ceremonies were often held to celebrate the ripening of each kind of fruit. They were reconstituted with water in the winter as needed and were said to have tasted like the fresh picked fruit. Soapberries, when cooked, mashed and whipped yielded a highly ritualized bitter dessert that was often served at potlatches and eaten with special carved spoons. Lichens, especially black tree lichen were eaten as food, but were used primarily as emergency food, as where the rhizomes of some ferns. Tea was drunk, especially that made from Labrador tea leaves, as well as from many other species. " now, given that their natural, native diet was absent in grains and legumes, does it make any sense to suggest to these people to eat foods which satisfy the classical Ayurvedic dietary criteria for the treatment of diabetes? if not, how does impact our understanding of prameha? best... Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG) Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear The point of discussion started with low carbs and high proteins with relation to dietary management of Madhumeha. Remember, Prameha is a group of disorders of which Madhumeha (diabetes) is one type. The dietary management also includes meat and vegetables ie plant source, as I have pointed in earlier mail. My point was cereals and pulses were adequately incorporated in Madhumeha diet and no indications as to exclusion of rice was found in Ayurvedic texts. One has to incorporate what is beneficial and available in one's own surroundings, is the clear instruction given in Ayurveda conveyed by the concept of 'Oka-Saatmya' which I have discussed in my earlier mail. So you, being the resident and exponent of Canada, should decide what food settings are useful in your environment using the basic guidances from Ayurvedic texts. I know , it may be a tad tedious for you, as the Ayurveda you are exposed to is of a very limited version. Ayurveda expects this from Indians too. There is so much diversity of food from Kashmir in the north to Tamilnadu in the south and Bengal in the east to Gujarat and Maharashtra in the west. The dietary versions developed by vaidyas suit their different environs and food habits and are beneficial to the patients. No two diet patterns from two different states may be similar, but they still fulfill the therapeutic requirements. AND none is contrary to Ayurvedic guidelines. So, that is a logical approach. Dr.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayurvedic Medicine (INDIA) < dahpc > _________________ of the various points i have been labouring to make, the most important one is that the classical ayurvedic protocol for diseases like diabetes need to be interpreted cautiously, and cannot be applied universally... this is not to say that the theory of ayurveda is wrong, or that the samhitas are not a treasure trove of information, but that when we take this knowledge and apply it to different populations living in different climates, living during different periods of time, we may see that the classical dietary recommendations are either unsuitable or actually promote the disease itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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