Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 > > > On Behalf Of Eric Brand > Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:33 PM > > Re: tonsils > > , " " > <@c...> wrote: > > Eric, > > 1) When one reads commentary and a character has been swapped out > then it > > will say so. None of the commentaries I checked (and I checked the > one's at > > my work) say this is the case. > > There was no character swap. The original neijing character IS the > very same zhi that we use for will. The character with the yan > radical is only featured in commentary to clarify the use of the word > zhi in the neijing. > Oh, I get what you are saying... > > -So if I hear you correctly, zhi (will) is used in all printed neijing > > forms, but the original character is not zhi (will), but this zhi > with the > > yan radical which means mind. > > No. The original character is the same zhi (will). Redundant to my > above comment, sorry. > > > I guess the point is this -> It seems like an off-beat theory since > Multiple > > (7+ Chinese and English commentaries) do not make note of this. > > Chinese commentaries in simplified may not note the other character > because it is no longer in use in simplified. The two characters (the > original and the one with the yan radical used as an explanation in > commentary) are the same character now in the PRC. The big question > is, how do the Chinese conceive of it? Since will/concentration > power/mind/memory are using the same word in their language, how do > they divide it? I never actually had a Chinese teacher for the basic > theory class, so I have never heard an explanation of the five minds > from a Chinese person at the most root level. Understanding English > is difficult, and many Chinese teachers will use a word such as will > because they know that will is one translation of zhi, they know that > we know it as such, and they would not necessarily have enough > confidence with their English to challenge words and think of better > alternatives. Maybe or maybe not, I am sure there are plenty outspoken and well-spoken English speaking Chinese out there. How do you gauge Min Fan? IMO, he might not come up with the best 1 to 1 equivalent of the word, but he always made sure you understood what was being said through stories, analogies or whatever. > > How does Unschuld deal with this in his Neijing? > > If zhi is translated as will instead of mind, how does it translate > into therapy? It makes little sense that stabilizing the will would > be a therapy for insomnia or epilepsy, but stabilizing the mind does > make sense in this context. The close relationship between zhi and > shen accounts for the fact that many shen-quieting medicinals are said > to stabilize the zhi. > > Will is not an incorrect translation for zhi, but it is only part of > zhi's meaning, and not necessarily the part most relevant to the > discussion of what the kidney stores. The concept overlaps in > Chinese, so it isn't really a mutually exclusive issue. Zhi means all > of it- will, mind, memory. I think the use of willpower in the > context of the kidney is taking it a bit too far though, that is my > main point. A spirit-quieting medicinal has nothing to do with > willpower. Yes, but as mike has pointed out (as I have in other situations) - I do not discount the fact that the Chinese use the same word to mean different things in different situations. In the compound shen-zhi it may be mind, where in the kidney stores the zhi, maybe will. I agree it means all of it. Therefore the fact that spirit-quieting medicinals calm the zhi - Is taken out of context and has nothing to do with the kidneys housing the zhi (from i.e. the ling shu / su wen). Good Convo... But on a side note, if one checks basic dictionaries for zhi - I see no reference to mind or memory. It does not seem like a 'basic' definition or usage. Of course the first use is 'will' -So the question is if an average Chinese person conceives zhi as will - you would think that any commentary would have some reference clarifying the term. Well it does clarify the term, see next post. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Mike, thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is a bit late, but I will try to reply at greater length soon. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hello. My tonsils are very large and full of gaping holes that very quickly fill up with the yucky white specks. I have to clean out my tonsils with Q-tips, almost every day. Do others here have to do that, as well? It embarrasses me and I wish I could change the problem. A doctor said my tonsils are so large I could think about taking them out, but I've heard that it is physically and spiritually very important to keep all our body parts.. even the ones that don't seem as useful My little daughter had to have hers taken out when she was about six, because she kept having Apnea in her sleep, because they touched and blocked her throat. Her Apnea was so bad, it frightened us. Thanks for thoughts. amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I do not think there is a lot of spiritual damage in removing tonsils. If you want to go that way it is not so bad. I think you would do well to be on some herbs that promote immune support - I think the organic yogurt also would help to ensure that you do not suffer from yeast infection or muccus out of balance. maymecall <no_reply > wrote: <snip> A doctor said my tonsils are so large I could think about taking them out, but I've heard that it is physically and spiritually very important to keep all our body parts. even the ones that don't seem as useful..<snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 hi amy these yucky white specks are an exudate from the tonsils themselves think of it as a kind of elimination - inefficient and compromised yes, but the body is doing the best it can cutting out chunks of the body as a means to heal is always a last resort, and very likely something you can easily avoid with adequate and consistent treatment besides which, by cutting the tonsils out you leave those areas more susceptible to infection and immune dysfunction the tonsils are a key part of the immune response in that area, to keep eliminate foreign pathogens that are inhaled or ingested, or like to take up residence in the mouth, pharynx, and nose they also play a larger role in keeping the immune system healthy and strong, and patients that have had a tonsillectomy have a higher risk of immune-mediated disorders such as arthritis and bowel disease you can help things along by avoiding all dairy, flour and sugar products, since these promote immune dysfunction eat lots of leafy green vegetables including onions, garlic, ginger etc, whole grains only, wild/organic/free range animals products, etc. gargling with a herbal mouthwash will help, such as a combination of equal parts, tinctures of echinacea root, sage leaf, poke root and myrrh if the tonsils and inflamed and sore add one part licorice root - use 1 tsp per half cup water and gargle thrice daily, for 2-3 minutes each time do this regularly, and take a similar immune boosting formula internally, with vitamins A (50,0000 IU/d), C (3-5 g/d), D (2500 IU/ d), E (800 IU/d) and zinc (50 mg/d) you might also take a herbal immune boosting formula, made of herbs such as echinacea, astragalus, red root, myrrh, goldenseal, poke root and ginger if you are in north america you can find a herbalist to help you here: http://www.americanherbalistsguild.com/index.php?module=pnAddressBook just click on your state/province best... todd Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG) Ayurvedic practitioner, Clinical Herbalist 203 - 1750 East 10th Ave Vancouver, BC V5N 5K4 CANADA web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com email: todd tel: 778.896.8894 fax: 415.376.6736 On 29-Mar-07, at 12:10 AM, ayurveda wrote: > tonsils > > Posted by: " maymecall " no_reply maymecall > > Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:50 am (PST) > > Hello. > > My tonsils are very large and full of gaping holes that very quickly > fill up with the yucky white specks. I have to clean out my tonsils > with Q-tips, almost every day. Do others here have to do that, as > well? It embarrasses me and I wish I could change the problem. A > doctor said my tonsils are so large I could think about taking them > out, but I've heard that it is physically and spiritually very > important to keep all our body parts.. even the ones that don't seem > as useful My little daughter had to have hers taken out when she was > about six, because she kept having Apnea in her sleep, because they > touched and blocked her throat. Her Apnea was so bad, it frightened > us. > > Thanks for thoughts. > > amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Hello Amy, My child had enlarged tonsils too, with frequent colds / throat infection / related sleep issue etc. After his tonsils were removed, we felt lots of positive changes that we felt we could have done it much earlier. He is able to sleep very peacefully at nights. What else can be more important? Breathing is much easier, brain gets plenty of oxygen, with no more frequent throat infections, colds etc. I strongly feel that, human's basic comforts shd get the top most priority... If tonsils are causing you so much problems & if I were you, I wouldn't even think of any other factors including spiritual. And honestly, putting up with pains due to tonsils or any glands etc.... I don't think it has to do anything with spirituality. Rather, if problematic issues are not taken care on time, it may get worse & may cause multiple problems. Just my 2 cents. Best, Amrutha ayurveda , maymecall <no_reply wrote: > My tonsils are very large and full of gaping holes that very quickly > fill up with the yucky white specks. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 removing tonsils will disturb ur subtile energetic chanells. but if they keep being infected with streptococus haemoliticus, which is dangerouse for heart , kidney and joints, and u exhausted any other method of healing them, only then u should remove them. if u don't have this kind of streptococ and ASLO test is good, better keep them __________ maymecall <no_reply > My tonsils are very large and full of gaping holes that very quickly fill up with the yucky white specks. I have to clean out my tonsils with Q-tips, almost every day. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 My husband used to have a lot of trouble with his tonsils that caused him chronic throat infection. We were able to treat it by changing his diet, he stopped drinking coffee, increased water consumption, started taking triphala and ginger to improve immunity and after four months his tonsils were fine. Otherwise, he was in the doctor getting antibiotics every month. He still does have a catch in his throat very often and postnasal drip from time to time and a feeling of having something caught in the throat but at least he does not get fever and infection every month. When he massages the throat daily it also helps the above mentioned problems. but if all other methods fail and the tonsils continue to be enlarged and swollen it is not that horrible to remove them. I have seen many cases where all actions were taken to heal them or keep them healthy to no avail and surgery was necessary and after the surgery years of suffering were ended instantly. If we are in good health we can progress spiritually, if we are suffering then we certainly can not focus on god. We can use arnica to heal the body from surgery so that it does not bear any energetic scar. I feel in your case Amy you may really need some good probiotics and the gargle suggested by Todd should help as well. But again, if you take the required changes and do not see the results it is not criminal to remove them. If the throat is chronically infected it can cause trouble to other areas of the body - thyroid, heart, chest, nervous system etc. The tonsils are supposed to act as a barrier for sickness and if they are a source of sickness or restrict breathing than removing them would be productive and would certainly not be more traumatic than suffering for years to come. If all precautions are taken and no affects are seen in six months to a year it may be necessary to consider surgery and that is okay too. Surgery is not a first choice but is not wrong if all other choices have been exhausted and comfort is not found. There are many good articles on the internet about tonsils and their function and the affects of keeping or removing them. amrutha_naveen <amrutha_naveen wrote: My child had enlarged tonsils too, with frequent colds / throat infection / related sleep issue etc. After his tonsils were removed, we felt lots of positive changes that we felt we could have done it much earlier. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Thank you so much for the thoughts and good advice. I will remember everything that you've given me, here, in my considerations. Many blessings to you. amyayurveda , mandv m <mandakiniven wrote: > > My husband used to have a lot of trouble with his tonsils that caused him chronic throat infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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